Bergdahl to be charged with desertion

[JSt0rm]

what it is about is attempting to make sure obama didnt do anything in his presidency. The rights biggest fear was a black man in charge that got things done. Every positive thing obama has done has been countered by the right. Either he didnt do it or it was actually the worst thing that could of ever happened. Its all racism. Pure and simple.

 

[Moonbeam]

Bullshit. Man evolved with hunter's instincts just like any other predatory animal. Society attempts to train the instinct out. You got it completely upside down.

http://www.fifthestate.org/archive/381-summer-fall-2009/killer-ape-theory-disproved/

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

what it is about is attempting to make sure obama didnt do anything in his presidency. The rights biggest fear was a black man in charge that got things done. Every positive thing obama has done has been countered by the right. Either he didnt do it or it was actually the worst thing that could of ever happened. Its all racism. Pure and simple.

You're an idiot. Pure and simple.

 

[MongGrel]

You're an idiot. Pure and simple.

And you really almost never say anything useful other than thread crapping like this.

Just an observation on my part, some people get away with it I guess.

Just hitting Bergdahl with a Article 15 would be a complete joke, going back on topic.

I even have one of those in my far past over a very minor issue, that is usually like a baby tap thing as far as the military goes.

 

[Jhhnn]

what it is about is attempting to make sure obama didnt do anything in his presidency. The rights biggest fear was a black man in charge that got things done. Every positive thing obama has done has been countered by the right. Either he didnt do it or it was actually the worst thing that could of ever happened. Its all racism. Pure and simple.

I don't put it in racist terms. It's unnecessary & diminishes an honest argument, that Repubs have taken hostages & obstructed the workings of the govt of the people at every turn even as they're waving Old Glory.

Nor have Repubs successfully countered everything. That notion has no merit.

 

[JSt0rm]

they have never acted this way towards any other democratic president. Sure they want to impeach them for getting a dick sucking but they have no actively blocked things that are needed for the country or have been willing to destroy the credit of the nation before obama. Black man made them snap. They feel like white culture is under threat and are now lashing out in full force.

 

[MongGrel]

they have never acted this way towards any other democratic president. Sure they want to impeach them for getting a dick sucking but they have no actively blocked things that are needed for the country or have been willing to destroy the credit of the nation before obama. Black man made them snap. They feel like white culture is under threat and are now lashing out in full force.

Well, there has never been a POTUS in history that had some idiot scream "Liar" like a complete imbecile the first time he walked into Congress either.

I'm pretty sure once upon a time they would have ran him out to the front lawn and shot him. And I meant the guy screaming "Liar", actually.

Though on reflection it could go both ways, but that in itself seems to be such a dramatic change in things of course.

 

[pcgeek11]

I would also be OK with a GCM, dishonorable discharge and stripping of all pay and benefits.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Bullshit. Anybody with a shred of common decency knows that five years of captivity at the hands of the Taliban is punishment enough. Dishonorable discharge is just what the Army needs to do to put the whole thing behind us where it belongs.

None of this is really about Bergdahl, anyway, but about tearing down Obama & keeping those juices of self righteous recrimination flowing strong, another trumped up scandal for the Birther/Benghazi believers.

Says someone who has never served in the military. I've seen people get more than 5 years in Leavenworth for deserting during peacetime.

 

[Jhhnn]

they have never acted this way towards any other democratic president. Sure they want to impeach them for getting a dick sucking but they have no actively blocked things that are needed for the country or have been willing to destroy the credit of the nation before obama. Black man made them snap. They feel like white culture is under threat and are now lashing out in full force.

Please. They treated Clinton nearly as badly, shut down the govt twice in '95-'96, subjected him to a personal persecutor in Ken Starr, blocked his appointments & generally pulled the same shit they've done since 2008. The fact that the GWB presidency & a Repub congress discredited their ideology completely just made them more desperate.

 

[JSt0rm]

It's a fair point but I still believe the color of his skin had something to do with the situation we are in today.

 

[Jhhnn]

Says someone who has never served in the military. I've seen people get more than 5 years in Leavenworth for deserting during peacetime.

I never asserted that the military always functions on the basis of common decency.

They have the opportunity with Bergdahl. Holding up resolution is entirely political & that only serves Repub ravers rather than the nation.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Just hitting Bergdahl with a Article 15 would be a complete joke, going back on topic.

I even have one of those in my far past over a very minor issue, that is usually like a baby tap thing as far as the military goes.

Exactly, many who have served have received article 15 for minor infractions. Those convicted during the article 15 received up to 60 days confinement, up to 45 days extra duty (45 and 45 if combined), up to a loss of one months pay (1/2 x 2), and a reduction in rate.

 

[MongGrel]

Says someone who has never served in the military. I've seen people get more than 5 years in Leavenworth for deserting during peacetime.

This. If they had seen him walking off his post in war zone in the past shooting him would have been acceptable. I believe he did get a few people killed looking for him.

Please. They treated Clinton nearly as badly, shut down the govt twice in '95-'96, subjected him to a personal persecutor in Ken Starr, blocked his appointments & generally pulled the same shit they've done since 2008. The fact that the GWB presidency & a Repub congress discredited their ideology completely just made them more desperate.

That is almost too funny.

The fact Bill Clinton had people trying to impeach him over a BJ compared to the crap GWB, Cheney and Co. did with impunity is still ridiculous.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I never asserted that the military always functions on the basis of common decency.

They have the opportunity with Bergdahl. Holding up resolution is entirely political & that only serves Repub ravers rather than the nation.

Agree, he should have received a court martial immediately but those on the left want to let him off without holding him responsible for his actions per the UCMJ.

 

[MongGrel]

Exactly, many who have served have received article 15 for minor infractions. Those convicted during the article 15 received up to 60 days confinement, up to 45 days extra duty (45 and 45 if combined), up to a loss of one months pay (1/2 x 2), and a reduction in rate.

Hell, mine was just over failing a pre IG clothing inspection from some boot grunt Lieutenant that just was trying to bust my ass at the time.

I went in front of the Colonel, he just gave me a $500 monetary fine for 60 days that I would get back again if I stayed out of trouble.

Basically he set me up a Christmas Account fund at the time because he was required to do something, he kind of winked a bit I believe...

 

[JSt0rm]

Agree, he should have received a court martial immediately but those on the left want to let him off without holding him responsible for his actions per the UCMJ.

Oh is that what we want? How about those on the right who thought he should of been left a pow and obama broke the law getting him? Lets impeach obama for beinging home a pow. You guys live in bizarro world.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I got mine for kicking my leading petty officer's (E-5, I was E-4 at the time) butt in a fan room. He's the one that called into the fan room so he could teach me a lesson and I get the punishment. I got 30 days restriction and extra duty. No loss of pay.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Oh is that what we want? How about those on the right who thought he should of been left a pow and obama broke the law getting him? Lets impeach obama for beinging home a pow. You guys live in bizarro world.

I'm glad they brought him home. However, now he's home it's time to stand tall and take whatever he receives after his court martial. He was well aware of the penalties for his actions before he left.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Says someone who has never served in the military. I've seen people get more than 5 years in Leavenworth for deserting during peacetime.

Really? Actual desertion cases are not all that common but I have never seen any in which a sentence that dire was handed down. I have actually seen it handled through a (misdemeanor-level) Special Court-Martial (e.g.,http://www.cbsnews.com/news/coast-guard-deserter-sentenced-to-confinement/). The client I referenced earlier in this thread (a Korean war-era vet who deserted in the 1950s, then showed up at my office in 2003) was not even charged with a crime - just permitted to receive a UOTHC administrative discharge.

What were the circumstances where someone got more than five years for a peacetime desertion? It's not that I don't believe you - that just seems like an extraordinary sentence given the magnitude of the crime.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Really? Actual desertion cases are not all that common but I have never seen any in which a sentence that dire was handed down. I have actually seen it handled through a (misdemeanor-level) Special Court-Martial (e.g.,http://www.cbsnews.com/news/coast-guard-deserter-sentenced-to-confinement/). The client I referenced earlier in this thread (a Korean war-era vet who deserted in the 1950s, then showed up at my office in 2003) was not even charged with a crime - just permitted to receive a UOTHC administrative discharge.

What were the circumstances where someone got more than five years for a peacetime desertion? It's not that I don't believe you - that just seems like an extraordinary sentence given the magnitude of the crime.

He deserted in Israel, they caught up with him about 45 days later. He received a court martial onboard the carrier and was flown back stateside/to Leavenworth. The word we received on the ship was that he got 8 years.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm glad they brought him home. However, now he's home it's time to stand tall and take whatever he receives after his court martial. He was well aware of the penalties for his actions before he left.

OK you are but a lot of people in the gop at the time were not happy with it and were pulling to have the whole thing blow up because obama. You have to remember this stuff.

 

[Jhhnn]

Agree, he should have received a court martial immediately but those on the left want to let him off without holding him responsible for his actions per the UCMJ.

Please. It's more like the right wing wants to crucify the guy because... Obama! of course.

Figure that the Taliban broke Bergdahl's balls for the Army & let it go at that. Just give the poor dumb fuck a DD & move on.

 

[MongGrel]

I got mine for kicking my leading petty officer's (E-5, I was E-4 at the time) butt in a fan room. He's the one that called into the fan room so he could teach me a lesson and I get the punishment. I got 30 days restriction and extra duty. No loss of pay.

Yeah, once upon a time Art 15 was just the way most things were handled, I was still just an E-3 when I picked mine up.

Lots of times things like you mentioned wouldn't even result in one but it happens, I guess something/someone pushed.

Some days i wish I had re-upped at the time and would have gotten my E-5 right then in 1984, would be retired now.

As far as Bergdahl, GCM, DD, and no back pay sounds right to me.

That in itself would just be saying Cya, many people over time have gotten worse in those circumstances.

Just pressing it beyond that at this point is overkill.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

OK you are but a lot of people in the gop at the time were not happy with it and were pulling to have the whole thing blow up because obama. You have to remember this stuff.

I don't care about the other people and what they thought. The fact of the matter is Bergdahl violated articles in the UCMJ and should face court martial per the UCMJ. I will be happy with whatever the Court Martial decides in this case as he will have had his day in court.