Before you pack for Ottawa

[RabidMongoose]

Wow, thanks for completely avoiding the facts that completely destroy your previous argument. I am going to assume that you now agree wtih me. Thanks.

Can you even read? I said that you know nothing about our society or healthcare system, thus I am not interested in discussing the matters with you. Quite the opposite of what you just said.

Can you read? I'm not saying anything about Canada's healthcare system.

In addition, you know nothing about anything in the world, however I am interested in seeing you make a fool of yourself. It's very interesting that anyone that has a different view than you automatically knows nothing. How ignorant can you get?

Your statements that large numbers of Canadians have an inferiority complex are completely without basis; that's why I am "avoiding the discussion". You're making bigotted and ignorant generalizations which I want no part of. I refuse to go down this road with you. Maybe you'll find some hillbilly punk who will.

As I said, that is my opinion and have coupled it with other statements.

My, very insecure, are we? You are likely 'avoiding the discussion' because of your massive insecurities.

For the record I don't live near any farms.

Uh huh. Sure you don't.

Also, I'd love to discuss Canadian politics with anyone who is informed on the issues here. Otherwise, I ask that the AT community to refrain from following in RabidMongoose's footsteps.

In other words - you don't want to discuss Canada with anyone that has any disagreeing principles or ideas than you.

Why don't you go talk to the cows on your farm instead. I'm sure that they don't provide you with much discourse.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

For the record, America is just as dependant on Canada as Canada is on the US. You can get off your high horse now.

Statistics and facts do not lie and put someone on a 'high horse'. If you think that the US depends more or as much on Canada as Canada does on the US, then you are clearly delusional. The very fact that about 80% of Canada's exports and imports are directly linked to the United States screams that Canada is far more dependent on the US than vice versa.

The very fact that so many Canadians are decrying US standards against Canada in such specific industries as softwood lumber and cattle flies in the face of your argument. US policy has an enormous impact on Canada. Canadian policy, on the other hand, barely even has a dent on the US.

Get off your high horse and realize the truth.

You're the one who admitted to having a superiority complex, hence the high horse comment. I don't really know why you're throwing it back; I never implied that I was looking down my nose at you.

Yes, a large portion of our international trade is with the US. 80% sounds high, I'm fairly certain it's closer to 60%. That single stat does not determine dependance one way or the other though. Our two nations are intermingled on many, many levels. For example, 75% of all natural gas imported to the US comes from Canada. The same goes for many natural resources. Without that influx, the US economy would have to look elsewhere. Of course the same could be said about products Canada imports from the US. The simple fact that our population is 10% the size of that of the US dictates that there will be demand for US imports here. It also opens up our economy to a massive export base.

I could turn your argument about the beef and lumber around. The very fact that the US has placed tariffs and bans on our goods clearly demonstrates the economic impact Canada can have on the US economy. Sure, we're only 10% the size population wise, but if you were to multiply our impact times 10, we would have an equal influence upon your nation.

Basically my point is that the buyer of goods is impacted just as much as the seller of goods in a transaction. We only export to the US out of convenience. That does not imply dependance. There are other markets for our exports; we would just take a hit on shipping things overseas.

 

[RabidMongoose]

You're the one who admitted to having a superiority complex, hence the high horse comment. I don't really know why you're throwing it back; I never implied that I was looking down my nose at you.

I never admitted to personally having a superiority complex. Thanks for lying.

Yes, a large portion of our international trade is with the US. 80% sounds high, I'm fairly certain it's closer to 60%. That single stat does not determine dependance one way or the other though. Our two nations are intermingled on many, many levels. For example, 75% of all natural gas imported to the US comes from Canada. The same goes for many natural resources. Without that influx, the US economy would have to look elsewhere. Of course the same could be said about products Canada imports from the US. The simple fact that our population is 10% the size of that of the US dictates that there will be demand for US imports here. It also opens up our economy to a massive export base.

Actually 70-80% of all your imports and exports are related to the US. That is far more than a single resource that you can pick out.

Out of Canada's total imports and exports, 70-80% is directly linked to the United States. That is called dependence and it is to a much larger degree than the US depends on Canada.

I could turn your argument about the beef and lumber around. The very fact that the US has placed tariffs and bans on our goods clearly demonstrates the economic impact Canada can have on the US economy. Sure, we're only 10% the size population wise, but if you were to multiply our impact times 10, we would have an equal influence upon your nation.

No, you can't turn it around because the US policy against Canada is hurting Canada. Canada, on the other hand, has done nothing. Again, this shows the massive dependence that Canada has on the United States for its economic survival.

Now you are entering the hypothetical realm with Canada having 10x the population. That is nice and all, but I am sticking with reality. Anyways, now you are agreeing with my entire argument - Canada has less of an influence on the US than the US has on Canada. Thanks.

Basically my point is that the buyer of goods is impacted just as much as the seller of goods in a transaction. We only export to the US out of convenience. That does not imply dependance. There are other markets for our exports; we would just take a hit on shipping things overseas.

Having 70-80% of all of your imports and exports with a single country implies 'dependance'.

This seems to be another issue of a Canadian agreeing with me, but seems to be arguing for the sake of blind nationalism.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Also, I'd love to discuss Canadian politics with anyone who is informed on the issues here. Otherwise, I ask that the AT community to refrain from following in RabidMongoose's footsteps.

In other words - you don't want to discuss Canada with anyone that has any disagreeing principles or ideas than you.

Why don't you go talk to the cows on your farm instead. I'm sure that they don't provide you with much discourse.

No. You continually make assumptions and generalizations. I'm not insecure, nor do I make it a point to avoid discussions with people who disagree with me.

I'll try to make this as clear as I can.

I think you're an extremely bigotted individual who makes generalizations about other cultures. That alone is reason enough for me to say that I am no longer interested in having these discussions with you.

The fact that you don't have a solid grasp of Canadian politics exacerbates the problem.

I would be willing to wager that you live closer to a farm than I do by the way.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
No. You continually make assumptions and generalizations. I'm not insecure, nor do I make it a point to avoid discussions with people who disagree with me.

I'll try to make this as clear as I can.

I think you're an extremely bigotted individual who makes generalizations about other cultures. That alone is reason enough for me to say that I am no longer interested in having these discussions with you.

The fact that you don't have a solid grasp of Canadian politics exacerbates the problem.

I would be willing to wager that you live closer to a farm than I do by the way.

You seem to be making assumptions as well.

I think you're an extremely bigottd individual who makes generalizations about other people. That alone is reason enough for me to see you make a fool of yourself.

The fact that you don't have a solid grasp of Canadian politics and possess a rabid and blind nationalism exacerbates the problem. The fact that you seem unwilling to discuss anything with anyone that does not share your similar beliefs compounds the problem as well.

Say hi to your cows for me.

 

[CanOWorms]

I'm the one that talked about Canadian healthcare, not RabidMongoose. And my data was from prominent medical journals. Seems to me that you're doing exactly what the article was talking about though - the healthcare system cannot be criticized because it's part of the national identity.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: SickBeast
No. You continually make assumptions and generalizations. I'm not insecure, nor do I make it a point to avoid discussions with people who disagree with me.

I'll try to make this as clear as I can.

I think you're an extremely bigotted individual who makes generalizations about other cultures. That alone is reason enough for me to say that I am no longer interested in having these discussions with you.

The fact that you don't have a solid grasp of Canadian politics exacerbates the problem.

I would be willing to wager that you live closer to a farm than I do by the way.

You seem to be making assumptions as well.

I think you're an extremely bigottd individual who makes generalizations about other people. That alone is reason enough for me to see you make a fool of yourself.

The fact that you don't have a solid grasp of Canadian politics and possess a rabid and blind nationalism exacerbates the problem. The fact that you seem unwilling to discuss anything with anyone that does not share your similar beliefs compounds the problem as well.

Say hi to your cows for me.

Your statements that large numbers of Canadians have an inferiority complex makes you bigotted. It's nowhere near an assumption. Your biggoted generalizations and personal attacks stating that I'm insecure and bigotted are assumptions on your part without any basis. I have not assumed anything about you. All I've done is read what you had to say. People who make blanket statements and generalizations about other cultures are bigots, pure and plain. The sooner you come out of denial, the better (for your sake as a member of society).

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Your statements that large numbers of Canadians have an inferiority complex makes you bigotted. It's nowhere near an assumption. Your biggoted generalizations and personal attacks stating that I'm insecure and bigotted are assumptions on your part without any basis. I have not assumed anything about you. All I've done is read what you had to say. People who make blanket statements and generalizations about other cultures are bigots, pure and plain. The sooner you come out of denial, the better (for your sake as a member of society).

Yes, you have assumed plenty about me. You assumed that I know nothing about Canada whatsoever. In fact, it seems that anyone who isn't in Canada cannot know anything about Canada or comment on it. Quite the bigot that you are.

I made no generalization about an entire culture. I simply said that a portion of one particular culture has a certain aspect to it. It is as if you say 'There are some mean people in Canada' then you are a bigot. Quite the stretch there, 'bigot'.

I suggest that you get off your high horse and rid yourself of this feeling that makes you think that you are inherently superior than the rest of the world.

Bigots like you are not needed in this world.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I'm the one that talked about Canadian healthcare, not RabidMongoose. And my data was from prominent medical journals. Seems to me that you're doing exactly what the article was talking about though - the healthcare system cannot be criticized because it's part of the national identity.

Those medical journals do not know what they are talking about. SickBeast understands and realizes far more than them because he is somehow genetically superior to the rest of the world.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I'm the one that talked about Canadian healthcare, not RabidMongoose. And my data was from prominent medical journals. Seems to me that you're doing exactly what the article was talking about though - the healthcare system cannot be criticized because it's part of the national identity.

Ah it was you. My apologies, RabidMongoose.

I assume you read what I wrote about my "elite" boss then, right CanOWorms? No offence, but do you not think that a Canadian who uses the health care system would know much more about the subject than an American who has read a few articles?

I'm open to criticism of the healthcare system here. I fully realize that it has problems and is not perfect. What I don't appreciate is uninformed opinion on the matter.

The healthcare is part of our national identity, there is no denying that. That said, people here are extremely critical towards the system and it was the #1 issue in our last federal election. The only "criticism" that people here tend to disagree with in droves is the abolishment of the public system. We're all for fixing and improving it, but a large majority of people here are strongly opposed to making the system private. Even a two-tiered system is frowned upon by most people.

I would be interested in reading your article, especially if it says anything about what the elites want. The few elites that I have met have been extremely far-right leaning and would be all for lowering taxes and eliminating our healthcare system. That is not the impression I get from what you've read out of that article. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I'm the one that talked about Canadian healthcare, not RabidMongoose. And my data was from prominent medical journals. Seems to me that you're doing exactly what the article was talking about though - the healthcare system cannot be criticized because it's part of the national identity.

Ah it was you. My apologies, RabidMongoose.

I assume you read what I wrote about my "elite" boss then, right CanOWorms? No offence, but do you not think that a Canadian who uses the health care system would know much more about the subject than an American who has read a few articles?

Not necessarily. I'm not talking about things that normal people would experience by just going to a doctor. You're referring to anecdotal evidence. I'm not talking about general things. I'm talking about surveys of doctors in medical journals.

I would be interested in reading your article, especially if it says anything about what the elites want. The few elites that I have met have been extremely far-right leaning and would be all for lowering taxes and eliminating our healthcare system. That is not the impression I get from what you've read out of that article. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

I don't have an article on the elite benefiting. It's just an interpretation of mine based on a collection of various sources.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Your statements that large numbers of Canadians have an inferiority complex makes you bigotted. It's nowhere near an assumption. Your biggoted generalizations and personal attacks stating that I'm insecure and bigotted are assumptions on your part without any basis. I have not assumed anything about you. All I've done is read what you had to say. People who make blanket statements and generalizations about other cultures are bigots, pure and plain. The sooner you come out of denial, the better (for your sake as a member of society).

Yes, you have assumed plenty about me. You assumed that I know nothing about Canada whatsoever. In fact, it seems that anyone who isn't in Canada cannot know anything about Canada or comment on it. Quite the bigot that you are.

I made no generalization about an entire culture. I simply said that a portion of one particular culture has a certain aspect to it. It is as if you say 'There are some mean people in Canada' then you are a bigot. Quite the stretch there, 'bigot'.

I suggest that you get off your high horse and rid yourself of this feeling that makes you think that you are inherently superior than the rest of the world.

Bigots like you are not needed in this world.

Based on what you wrote in this thread, my opinion that you know very little about Canadian politics is justified.

I'm interesed in discussing these matters with informed Americans. There are many people on the P&N forum who I consider to be extremely knowledgeable when it comes to political issues. Unfortunately, I don't consider you one of those people at this point. My advice is to just deal with it.

As for your statement, you made a negative comment about a large portion of my culture (not "a portion" as you just conveniently wrote). I'm surprised you don't seem to realize that those comments were offensive and uncalled for. I didn't see any Canadians making negative generalizations about Americans. I'm not sure what set you off aside from hatred that brews within you. If that's the case I truly pity you.

By the way, I have to ask, why is it that every time I point out something about you that you don't like, you simply throw the same comment back in my direction? I'm talking specifically about your comments calling me a bigot and an egomaniac.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I would be interested in reading your article, especially if it says anything about what the elites want. The few elites that I have met have been extremely far-right leaning and would be all for lowering taxes and eliminating our healthcare system. That is not the impression I get from what you've read out of that article. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

I don't have an article on the elite benefiting. It's just an interpretation of mine based on a collection of various sources.

Well, I'm letting you know that I know more than one Canadian elite who strongly disagrees with your assessment.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Stunt
LOL...

"The Supreme nature of the USA is not a feeling, it's the truth."
Wow, even americans on this forum are in agreement with my previous statement. I think i can officially say that Americans suffer from a widespread superior complex and are fooled by their own patriotism that other non-Americans are inferior. This complex was confirmed by both RabidMongoose and IAteYourMother.

The only two facts brought up by Americans displaying how "supreme" the US is the higher standard of living, and the lower crime rates.
Lets investigate:
SOL:
UNHDI says US has 16% below poverty line, Canada has 12%.
You may have more extremely rich people, but taking averages is useless in the real world. Fact is you have 4% more of your population in poverty...not a better standard of living if you ask me.

Crime: This is just too obvious as Kibbo has pointed out and COW refuses to address....i will leave for now...i have work to do

WTF??? I mean superiority as in being the world's hyperpower. As in the world economy has a huge stake in our economy. As in our army is the most powerful in the world. As in we give enough financial aid to many countries such that we have political control over much of the world. That's what I mean. That's the cold hard truth. I'm not saying that the USA could blow up the world and survive. I'm not just talking about SOL, although the US does have a high SOL. And your link also shows the US' GDP per capita as $35, 750. I believe Canada's is $29,480. So while we may have just 4% more in poverty, the average income is greater. Furthermore, your facts are from 2001-2002, a bit outdated. And just for fun and laughs, lets look at the economics, shall we?? US' GDP is $10,300 billion. Canada's is $700 billion. Furthermore, according to your statistics, Canada's unemployment rate is higher. But of course, standard of living can be still high without a job, right?

I guess you concede all of my other points.

You said standard of living, not average percent GDP. Less poverty = higher standard of living...you can't beat around the bush with low unemployment and gdp numbers. All you just proved is that the gap in the US between the rich and poor is staggering, be proud of the McJobs. Even with the larger unemployment, the number of poor is lower...that's really something to brag about...:roll:

How odd that my numbers are from 2001-2002 when they are from the 2004 UN index...yes that's right...the numbers are up to date unless specified otherwise, which they are not. :roll:

The GDP however IS noted as out of date, unlike the poverty numbers...which if you are pleading that the poverty numbers are 01-02, your standard of living has dropped, as outlined in the most current election.

The GDP of Canada is now pushing $1 trillion american dollars...I expect this trend to continue as the greenback continues to take a $hit.

No wonder Rabid wants you to "give it up", you are dragging him down with your horribly wrong assumptions. I suggest a little research on your part...as you seem surprisingly uninformed on basic economic terms like SOL. Thanks for coming out though.

 

[CanOWorms]

I didn't see any Canadians making negative generalizations about Americans.

You must be new to the Internet.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Based on what you wrote in this thread, my opinion that you know very little about Canadian politics is justified.

Based on what you wrote in this thread, my opinion that you know very little about Canadian politics is justified.

I'm interesed in discussing these matters with informed Americans. There are many people on the P&N forum who I consider to be extremely knowledgeable when it comes to political issues. Unfortunately, I don't consider you one of those people at this point. My advice is to just deal with it.

I'm interesed in discussing these matters with informed Canadians and people aroudn the world. There are many people on the P&N forum who I consider to be extremely knowledgeable when it comes to political issues. Unfortunately, I don't consider you one of those people at this point. My advice is to just deal with it.

As for your statement, you made a negative comment about a large portion of my culture (not "a portion" as you just conveniently wrote). I'm surprised you don't seem to realize that those comments were offensive and uncalled for. I didn't see any Canadians making negative generalizations about Americans. I'm not sure what set you off aside from hatred that brews within you. If that's the case I truly pity you.

I suggest that you read this thread and drop the bigot attitude that is filled with you.

What kind of hillbilly are you? Are you one of those types of people that is going to call something like 'Bowling for Columbine' a bigot film? Why, yes you are. Great logic you have going for you.

By the way, I have to ask, why is it that every time I point out something about you that you don't like, you simply throw the same comment back in my direction? I'm talking specifically about your comments calling me a bigot and an egomaniac.

Simple - because you are a bigot from your own logic. And your statements could just as easily be applied to yourself.

Let me ask you a question now that you have completely abandoned it: Do you feel that Canada is more dependent on the US than the US is on Canada, despite the very fact that 70-80% of all of Canada's trade is involved with the US. At least you have admitted that the US itself has more influence on Canada than vice versa. This is a stepping stone to cure you from your nationalism.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Let me ask you a question now that you have completely abandoned it: Do you feel that Canada is more dependent on the US than the US is on Canada, despite the very fact that 70-80% of all of Canada's trade is involved with the US. At least you have admitted that the US itself has more influence on Canada than vice versa. This is a stepping stone to cure you from your nationalism.

Were you smoking something before you wrote that last reply? You replied to me with what I wrote. Nice way to rebutt what I had to say. :thumbsdown:

You're wondering why I'm not interested in having discussions with you? You're a complete waste of time.

You want me to admit that Canada is dependant on the US. That's not exactly a question. However, I'll fill you in on why I don't regard Canada as being dependant on your nation.

If the US disappeared from the face of the earth tomorrow, what would Canada do? We would lose a trading partner, yes, but would we survive? Without a doubt we would. We have all of the core resources of a successful nation and would be just fine on our own. We have tons of water, trees, minerals, rocks, the list goes on. I'm not sure if there's even a single product that we import from the US that we completely rely on as a nation. We have an export-based economy. Without the US as a trading partner, our economy would have to be restructured, but I don't have any doubt that we would be just fine.

There's your answer. I never abandonned it. I responded to everything you've said to me in this thread. From this point onward I think I'm gonna follow everyone else's lead and ignore you completely. Ta-ta.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

I didn't see any Canadians making negative generalizations about Americans.

You must be new to the Internet.

I was referring to this thread in particular. I'll be more clear next time.

 

[RabidMongoose]

You're wondering why I'm not interested in having discussions with you? You're a complete waste of time

I'm very interested in having a discussion with you. I enjoy making fools and rabid nationalists show how idiotic they are. Thank you for the entertainment.

If the US disappeared from the face of the earth tomorrow, what would Canada do? We would lose a trading partner, yes, but would we survive? Without a doubt we would. We have all of the core resources of a successful nation and would be just fine on our own. We have tons of water, trees, minerals, rocks, the list goes on. I'm not sure if there's even a single product that we import from the US that we completely rely on as a nation. We have an export-based economy. Without the US as a trading partner, our economy would have to be restructured, but I don't have any doubt that we would be just fine.

What would Canada do? It would lose 70-80% of its trade and result in economic devastation. How easy it must be to replace almost all of your trade! Oh no, having 70-80% of all of your trade on one single nation doesn't mean that you're more dependent on that country! Oh no, that would make too much sense.

You must not be thinking very much if you can 't think about a US product that Canada relies on. I suggest that you look inside of your computer.

There's your answer. I never abandonned it. I responded to everything you've said to me in this thread. From this point onward I think I'm gonna follow everyone else's lead and ignore you completely. Ta-ta.

Yes, please, go back to all of the other rabid nationalists. I'm sure that you can all jump around the fire with the Canadian flag draped around your shoulders.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You must not be thinking very much if you can 't think about a US product that Canada relies on. I suggest that you look inside of your computer.

Ever been to Japan? Try again.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You must not be thinking very much if you can 't think about a US product that Canada relies on. I suggest that you look inside of your computer.

Ever been to Japan? Try again.

So...what processor are you going to use? Have fun with those ones.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I'm very interested in having a discussion with you. I enjoy making fools and rabid nationalists show how idiotic they are. Thank you for the entertainment.

You see, you're one of the few trolls here who comes to this site to try to humiliate others for self gratification. Either the mods will eventually ban you for this type of behavior, or the community at large will shun you.

I don't feel as though you've made a fool of me in the least. You have made yourself look pretty bad though IMO.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You must not be thinking very much if you can 't think about a US product that Canada relies on. I suggest that you look inside of your computer.

Ever been to Japan? Try again.

So...what processor are you going to use? Have fun with those ones.

Motorola makes processors.

Like I said, I can't think of any US products that are unique worldwide that Canada depends on.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I'm very interested in having a discussion with you. I enjoy making fools and rabid nationalists show how idiotic they are. Thank you for the entertainment.

You see, you're one of the few trolls here who comes to this site to try to humiliate others for self gratification. Either the mods will eventually ban you for this type of behavior, or the community at large will shun you.

I don't feel as though you've made a fool of me in the least. You have made yourself look pretty bad though IMO.

You see, I don't want to shut people up. You, on the other hand, want to shut anyone that has a different opinion. I am tolerant while you are intolerant.

I won't look down on your for simply posting - I think you should post. However, it is funny to watch you make yourself look like an idiot. I urge you to continue with such an act.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You must not be thinking very much if you can 't think about a US product that Canada relies on. I suggest that you look inside of your computer.

Ever been to Japan? Try again.

So...what processor are you going to use? Have fun with those ones.

Motorola makes processors.

Like I said, I can't think of any US products that are unique worldwide that Canada depends on.

Motorola is an American company.