Where do you get this crap from? I enjoy discussions with people who disagree with me. Discussions are pointless however if people don't know what they're talking about. I'm intolerant towards intelligent disussions with people who do not have a handle on the subject matter. It would be like me telling wingznut that "the P4 just sucks". There's no way I could intelligently discuss the innards of the P4 with an intel engineer beyond a fundamental level, so the entire discussion would be pointless. That's how I feel about discussing Canadian politics with you.
Where do you get this crap from? I enjoy discussions with people who disagree with me. Discussions are pointless however if people don't know what they're talking about. I'm intolerant towards intelligent disussions with people who do not have a handle on the subject matter. It would be like me telling wingznut that "the P4 just sucks". There's no way I could intelligently discuss the innards of the P4 with an intel engineer beyond a fundamental level, so the entire discussion would be pointless. That's how I feel about discussing Canadian politics with you.
No, it's clear that you are violently against dissent.
You cannot involve yourself in an intelligent discussion. You cannot provide any facts or data for the basis of any of your arguments. My simply saying that Canada depends much on the US, from the basis that most of its trade is linked to the US, ignites you in your bigot and intolerant diatribe about how I know nothing about Canada and so on.
You are intolerant and believe that you, as a Canadian, are inherently superior, far above the facts that could be spoken by a mere non-Canadian.
Yeah well at least our computers would function. We would lose out if the US disappeared, there's no doubting that. Eventually a company somewhere else would outdo AMD/intel/IBM.
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If you are going to nitpick like that, have fun with your outrageously priced nvidia cards...Both Ati and Matrox are canadian...goodbye graphics card competition...
Besides, AMD makes most processors in Germany and counts as their GDP. Importing AMD CPUs would be legal...as the US (the government) has no jurisdiction over german exports. Also, AMD would not complain due to increased revenues.
A real stretch if you are trying to start a dependence platform...
Sickbeast...i've tried to have reasonable conversations with these two before...one is a blind parrot who is thicker than a ten foot concrete wall...the other has convinced himself that everything but the US is wrong...look up just the titles of the threads he has posted...not worth either of our time...all we can do is hope this is a VERY small minority. Or that they are joking which is most likely the case.
To lighten the mood in here...I sometimes make my way to OT...and COW's "most physical pain endured" is a papersut on his penis
....lol
i got a good kick out of that :thumbsup: Is that an indicator of the intelligence we are dealing with...maybe...maybe not...funny nonetheless.
Besides, AMD makes most processors in Germany and counts as their GDP. Importing AMD CPUs would be legal...as the US (the government) has no jurisdiction over german exports. Also, AMD would not complain due to increased revenues.
A real stretch if you are trying to start a dependence platform...
Sickbeast...i've tried to have reasonable conversations with these two before...one is a blind parrot who is thicker than a ten foot concrete wall...the other has convinced himself that everything but the US is wrong...look up just the titles of the threads he has posted...not worth either of our time...all we can do is hope this is a VERY small minority. Or that they are joking which is most likely the case.
To lighten the mood in here...I sometimes make my way to OT...and COW's "most physical pain endured" is a papersut on his penis
....loli got a good kick out of that :thumbsup: Is that an indicator of the intelligence we are dealing with...maybe...maybe not...funny nonetheless.
I think that's a pretty minor, sidetracked argument that Sickbeast started on. You obviously don't know much about the semiconductor industry, too.
This from the guy that randomly started talking about Canada's UN HDI ranking in a thread in Off Topic about the Olympics. Arrogant super patriot that can't take criticism of his country? I think so. You're just like the bumpkins that tell Americans to leave the country if they say anything critical at all.
To lighten the mood in here...I sometimes make my way to OT...and COW's "most physical pain endured" is a papersut on his penis
i got a good kick out of that :thumbsup: Is that an indicator of the intelligence we are dealing with...maybe...maybe not...funny nonetheless.
Of course it's funny, it's a joke
I'll let you inspect my penis if you want though :sun:God bless the Queen and nobody else. Superior blood lines and all.
Yeah, because the world depends on video cards from ATI and Matrox and there are no other significant and almost equal alternatives. I think I'd rather have Intel, AMD, Motorola instead, too.
And it's still an American company that designs these primarily in the US. Fabrication is often done offshore.
The only platform needed is the one single statistic - 70-80% of Canada's trade involves the US. That screams dependence. No matter how much you scream or how much you rabidly love Canada and hate everyone else in the world, you cannot hide this statistic.
Yes, I'm the 'sick patriot' when you are the one that starts talking about how great Canada's ranking is on the UN HDI in the middle of an Olympics thread. You were saying?
How low can you go with this type of blind nationalism? Do you actually not realize how sick you are becoming?
That was a great thread.
A well known Canadian poster on this forum (but now living in the US) posts a thread about how Canada's Olympic team 'sucks' and Stunt goes crazy and starts crying about the UN Human Development Index and how it's the only thing that matters in the end. That was a great thread that exposed Stunt's dangerous and blind nationalistic tendencies.
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It's not the actual products themselves, but so many investors have invested in American holdings as well as many othe companies. If the US was to go under, the world economy would crash, meaning probably wars as a result of HUGE global economic decline.
IAteYourMother
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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Stunt
LOL...
"The Supreme nature of the USA is not a feeling, it's the truth."
Wow, even americans on this forum are in agreement with my previous statement. I think i can officially say that Americans suffer from a widespread superior complex and are fooled by their own patriotism that other non-Americans are inferior. This complex was confirmed by both RabidMongoose and IAteYourMother.
The only two facts brought up by Americans displaying how "supreme" the US is the higher standard of living, and the lower crime rates.
Lets investigate:
SOL:
UNHDI says US has 16% below poverty line, Canada has 12%.
You may have more extremely rich people, but taking averages is useless in the real world. Fact is you have 4% more of your population in poverty...not a better standard of living if you ask me.
Crime: This is just too obvious as Kibbo has pointed out and COW refuses to address....i will leave for now...i have work to do
WTF??? I mean superiority as in being the world's hyperpower. As in the world economy has a huge stake in our economy. As in our army is the most powerful in the world. As in we give enough financial aid to many countries such that we have political control over much of the world. That's what I mean. That's the cold hard truth. I'm not saying that the USA could blow up the world and survive. I'm not just talking about SOL, although the US does have a high SOL. And your link also shows the US' GDP per capita as $35, 750. I believe Canada's is $29,480. So while we may have just 4% more in poverty, the average income is greater. Furthermore, your facts are from 2001-2002, a bit outdated. And just for fun and laughs, lets look at the economics, shall we?? US' GDP is $10,300 billion. Canada's is $700 billion. Furthermore, according to your statistics, Canada's unemployment rate is higher. But of course, standard of living can be still high without a job, right?
I guess you concede all of my other points.
You said standard of living, not average percent GDP. Less poverty = higher standard of living...you can't beat around the bush with low unemployment and gdp numbers. All you just proved is that the gap in the US between the rich and poor is staggering, be proud of the McJobs. Even with the larger unemployment, the number of poor is lower...that's really something to brag about...:roll:
How odd that my numbers are from 2001-2002 when they are from the 2004 UN index...yes that's right...the numbers are up to date unless specified otherwise, which they are not. :roll:
The GDP however IS noted as out of date, unlike the poverty numbers...which if you are pleading that the poverty numbers are 01-02, your standard of living has dropped, as outlined in the most current election.
The GDP of Canada is now pushing $1 trillion american dollars...I expect this trend to continue as the greenback continues to take a $hit.
No wonder Rabid wants you to "give it up", you are dragging him down with your horribly wrong assumptions. I suggest a little research on your part...as you seem surprisingly uninformed on basic economic terms like SOL. Thanks for coming out though.
Um... Hmm... Sigh. Enough. Time to bring out the good 'ol flamethrower, just for Stunt. I hope none of you other Canadians take too much offense, as you will obviously take some.
First, the GDP per capita directly links to the SOL, especially since people with more money/ money influx are more wealthy and enjoy a better standard of living. Now, the poverty line difference between the US and Canada isn't staggering my stupid Canadian enemy. It is 4%. Jesus fvcking Christ, the gap between the rich and poor is staggering, especially because we can conclude all that about the US especially when Canada only has 4% less and lives in Paradise. *sarcasm* Assumptions, anyone?? Obviously, while this may mean that for some people the SOL is low, it doesn't rule out the fact that all other Canadians live in marginally better sh1tholes. Neither can we conclude that. SOL isn't based totally on the poverty line, but rather, includes a number of factors, a large part of it being GDP per capita I believe. I'm talking about overall SOL here.
Now learn to fvcking read. First, the "assumptions" I make are based on the document you linked, unless you're talking about the other things I addressed which you really don't answer. Second, in that PDF document, there are numbers. I believe that it's standard for most people to be able to read those. Well, anyhow, those numbers, when they resemble something called a year, yes that right, you read correctly, a year, especially when they look like this: 2002. Those numbers are right under the bolded titles under each column. Now, as I'm reading this, I see this under the poverty numbers: Under poverty index, no date, under Probability of birth... I see 2000-2005, after that 2002, then 2000, then 1995-2002, then 1900-2002, then 1990-2001. If all those columns are up to 2002 with one exception, and yes, this is the fvcing 2004 UN link you gave me, then why would the poverty index be up to date? And yes, that's right, is it really that odd to see numbers from 2 years back on a big index like this?? :roll NO. It's quite common.
Your next claim that "The GDP however IS noted as out of date, unlike the poverty numbers...which if you are pleading that the poverty numbers are 01-02, your standard of living has dropped, as outlined in the most current election" makes absolutely NO sense. I'm thinking I already answered most of this, but why does the election reify this idea that our SOL has dropped?
Your next claim is that the GDP of Canada is pushing 1 trillion US dollars, which I DO NOT deny.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publica.../factbook/geos/ca.html
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publica.../factbook/geos/us.html
What this has to do with anything escapes me. The US' GDP is 11 trillion US dollars.... case in point. Furthermore, these are the most up-to-date complete statistics, so if we compare GDP per capita, then we find that it's comparing $37,800 to $29,800. I think that this more than compensates for the 4% poverty gap.
Well... I guess I have no choice but to agree with Rabid. You are deluded, stupid, and ignorant. Not only are my "assumptions" not assumptions, but just analysis based upon the data you linked me, which was your research btw. I hope my research will also help establish your stupidity. You seem to be suprisingly uninformed on basic terms such as "How not to be a moron: the nationalistic Canadian's guide." Thanks for nothing.
Oh, and BTW, those McJobs, kind of sad how it gives a higher salary than what you guys have up north...
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Which country is the largest supplier of US oil?
Which country supplies the US with 90% of its imported natural gas?
Which country supplies the US with 99% of its imported electricity?
The only reason why the US isn't 80% dependent on Canada for trade is because Canada can't supply the US with enough due to the population difference. Increase Canada's population to 200-250 million and you'd see 80% of US trade go to Canada too.
1. Once the Yukos debacle is over we can get our oil from Russia.
2. That's incredibly disingenuous and misleading. How much natural gas do we even import -- considering we have massive reserves of it.
3. Again, same as number 2. Incredibly misleading, but it doesn't say how much we actually import(not much).
RE: The whole superiority and inferiority thing. I'd rather have a superiority complex than an inferiority complex. That's just me.
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Canada's cold therefore it sucks. I dunno what else there is to say. They have the most open immigration policies on the planet and millions of acres of empty space and can't manage to fill it. That tells me all I need to know. We have more "undocumented workers" dying to be US citizens here than Canada has people.
ed Changed Illegals to the more politically correct term.
ed Changed Illegals to the more politically correct term.
Stunt
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"I'd rather have a superiority complex than an inferiority complex. That's just me."
The proof of this superiority complex grows with every post. Just look at the one guy skewing numbers saying that having 4% more poor = a higher standard of living.
I'll tell you who has the higher standard of living: the upper middle and upper class. shhhhh!!...don't tell him that this is a very small portion of the US and is not an adequate representation of every american's standard of living. Dividing GDP by citizens is highly misleading as a single mother with two kids making minimum wage is not pulling in $114,000...just because there is 3 people in the family. Learn some basic economics terms...do some research...because as much as you want to "THINK" this is a good way to judge standard of living, it is actually very poor on many levels.
Funny how you accuse Canadians of an inferiority complex...not one canadian even recognizes ever hearing of or understands the logic behind it. Yet i accuse Americans of a superiority complex and a few americans come out of the works to say 'yes it exists', 'so what, it's true', etc.
All you guys have does is barely read some low brow publications, jumped to your own wacky conclusions based on no scientific or proffessional opinion. Fantasy worlds are fun!....yay! Honestly, make a legitimate case or go home.
The proof of this superiority complex grows with every post. Just look at the one guy skewing numbers saying that having 4% more poor = a higher standard of living.
I'll tell you who has the higher standard of living: the upper middle and upper class. shhhhh!!...don't tell him that this is a very small portion of the US and is not an adequate representation of every american's standard of living. Dividing GDP by citizens is highly misleading as a single mother with two kids making minimum wage is not pulling in $114,000...just because there is 3 people in the family. Learn some basic economics terms...do some research...because as much as you want to "THINK" this is a good way to judge standard of living, it is actually very poor on many levels.
Funny how you accuse Canadians of an inferiority complex...not one canadian even recognizes ever hearing of or understands the logic behind it. Yet i accuse Americans of a superiority complex and a few americans come out of the works to say 'yes it exists', 'so what, it's true', etc.
All you guys have does is barely read some low brow publications, jumped to your own wacky conclusions based on no scientific or proffessional opinion. Fantasy worlds are fun!....yay! Honestly, make a legitimate case or go home.
The US is its largest supplier of oil.
Again, you can find a few things that the US imports largely from Canada. However, which you seem to be unable to comprehend, the entire Canadian trade is dependent upon the United States. 70-80% of all Canadian imports and exports are dependent upon the United States.
Whoa, another hypothetical situation. I agree, if Canada was a superpower then it would have a lot more influence and make other countries more dependent upon it. However, it isn't. As it is right now, Canada is much smaller than the US and depends upon the US for about 70-80% of all of its trade.
Seems like you're agreeing with me, yet arguing with me for some strange reason.
Yup..I think Stunty has gone off the deep end. BTW, Stunt does not accept any data from you if you use his own sources and 'research'. In one previous thread he posted a link up to a source and starting saying how great and respected that source is and then a while later in an argument with him I posted up the information from that same source, but he instantly rejected that same information. You have to understand that Stunt is blinded by fierce nationalistic tendencies.
Sure, but be prepared to watch gross nationalistic rage from Stunt. It was really quite humorous.
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...y&keyword1=olympic
Here is Stunt's great post in a thread titled "Boy, Canada's Olympic team is a joke." that was posted by a well known member of these forums that is from Canada.
Here is part of his absolutely hilarious response:
I think it's pretty clear that Stunt is one crazy blind nationalist.
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I think you concede my point that poverty doesn't equal SOL as well. Just because a less percentage of your population is below the poverty line doesn't mean that the rest of the population has a higher standard of living. Perhaps the rest of Canada lives in sh1tholes just barely good enough to not be labeled under poverty, as much of your population has a lower GDP/ capita. I'm not saying that the US has a much higher SOL or that it even has a higher SOL. My point is that it's neglible and we really can't determine the SOL based solely on the data that you give. GDP DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON SOL, JUST LIKE POVERTY LINE. How do you figure that one is more of a factor than the other. And I'm talking about the average SOL, as obviously, there are those who will live in crapholes and others that live in palaces.
HAHAHA. As I've said earlier, I've based my conclusions on the facts you give me.
Oh come on now! Now you're making all of those people with an inferiority complex feel even more inferior and insecure!
Do we really want to be responsible for Stunt's massive psychiatric bills?
The people with the massive inferiority complexes are not going to admit that they have one. Your logic is flawed and hilarious. One does not expect a rabid nationalist to even believe in the truth.
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The discussion with reference to the olympics was not intended to seem off tangent...but a mere example how medal standings have nothing to do with quality of life and living standards. The point was a valid one as a poor olympic is not a good indicator to a country's true performance. People in that particular thread were making these assumptions. I was merely pointing out the insignificance of medal count. I continued to address why i felt the standings were so low in the most recent olympics...of course you would never quote that.
I love how you try to insult me with "rabid nationalist"...as if you are making reference to yourself...how ironic.
Keep up with the copy/pasting...it's really working for you...you know the same crap...no new facts or information to add to the lack of in the original posts. All you have done wiht your repetitiveness is gave yourself a horrid rep with the other forum members and fooled yourself into your own propoganda...good job :thumbsup:
I love how you try to insult me with "rabid nationalist"...as if you are making reference to yourself...how ironic.
Keep up with the copy/pasting...it's really working for you...you know the same crap...no new facts or information to add to the lack of in the original posts. All you have done wiht your repetitiveness is gave yourself a horrid rep with the other forum members and fooled yourself into your own propoganda...good job :thumbsup:
LOL
Of course you probably didn't intend for it to go off on a tangent. In your nationalistic crazy mind, it was OK to randomly start talking about the UN in an Olympics thread. To other people it had absolutely no relation in a thread about the Olympic Games.
Your insane nationalism is still evident with your attempt to justify talking about the UN HDI in the middle of a thread about the Olympics. Good going, Stunt!
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