Anyone think that the inferiority complex results from having a Queen? Superior bloodlines and all might make Canadians feel inferior, so they rail out against other sources? Maybe this is why Canada is a crime-ridden haven like RealityTime says too. I'm wondering about the lack of unity in the country as well. While there's some recent conflict between red and blue states after the recent election, it seems that this is magnified 100x in Canada and has existed for quite a long time. Like someone said before, Canadians seem to be full of hate. I think the Queen may be responsible.
I'm wondering if having a Queen makes Canadians obnoxious, too. Canadians are ranked as one of the worst tourists (along with the UK... hmmm.. same Queen). Maybe since they have a Queen that they think they might share some of the superior bloodline and therefore treat everyone else as scum. I think it's an interesting theory.
Right now there's a poll of the greatest Canadians in history. It's interesting that so many of the greatest Canadians in the top 100 are pop stars, hockey commentators, sports athletes, etc. What's even more strange is that they claim Alexander Graham Bell is one of the greatest 10 Canadians. Yet his gravestone labels him as Teacher - Inventor - Citizen of the U.S.A." It seems he wasn't that proud. In fact, some Canadian critics state that Bell basically vacationed there, yet he's labeled as one of the greatest Canadians. Could actions such as this fuel the inferiority complex?
Then there's the whole belief that Canadians burned down the White House, which prominent Canadian historians agree is incorrect. This is such a well known lie yet most of the Canadian public believes it to be true. Is this lie a result of the so called inferiority complex, which results from the Queen? Are they trying to take the credit of the British because they lack real accomplishments (in their eyes, which stems from the complex).
Would the removal of the royal Overlord bring upon a social revolution within Canada and eliminate the unneeded inferiority complex, or is the complex much too ingrained into the Canadian identity?
I think this could be an interesting topic to research on. It seems that the Canadian inferiority complex manifests itself in multiple examples, and may be caused by celebrating superior bloodlines - the Queen.
I'm wondering if having a Queen makes Canadians obnoxious, too. Canadians are ranked as one of the worst tourists (along with the UK... hmmm.. same Queen). Maybe since they have a Queen that they think they might share some of the superior bloodline and therefore treat everyone else as scum. I think it's an interesting theory.
Right now there's a poll of the greatest Canadians in history. It's interesting that so many of the greatest Canadians in the top 100 are pop stars, hockey commentators, sports athletes, etc. What's even more strange is that they claim Alexander Graham Bell is one of the greatest 10 Canadians. Yet his gravestone labels him as Teacher - Inventor - Citizen of the U.S.A." It seems he wasn't that proud. In fact, some Canadian critics state that Bell basically vacationed there, yet he's labeled as one of the greatest Canadians. Could actions such as this fuel the inferiority complex?
Then there's the whole belief that Canadians burned down the White House, which prominent Canadian historians agree is incorrect. This is such a well known lie yet most of the Canadian public believes it to be true. Is this lie a result of the so called inferiority complex, which results from the Queen? Are they trying to take the credit of the British because they lack real accomplishments (in their eyes, which stems from the complex).
Would the removal of the royal Overlord bring upon a social revolution within Canada and eliminate the unneeded inferiority complex, or is the complex much too ingrained into the Canadian identity?
I think this could be an interesting topic to research on. It seems that the Canadian inferiority complex manifests itself in multiple examples, and may be caused by celebrating superior bloodlines - the Queen.
Get their disinformation primarily from mass media, be it left or right wing.
Now the sheep from both ends get to meet here and argue about it and the rest of us get to sit back and enjoy the show.
Can, you are seriously overestimating the practical effects of having a Queen.
I'll admit, in our past debates you have come up with a couple of good points (surrounded by a ton of crap) that suggest we should maybe scrap the monarchy.
Thing is, in day-to-day life, it has virtually no effect on us. It is not in our head. We don't think about it. Your psychological theories are rediculous, and if you spent one second inside a Canadian's head, you'd it.
Canadians feel insecure because our culture is very similar to the behemoth next door, and we fear that what is unique to us may be overwhelmed. That is the major reason many of us want to keep the Queen, because it keeps us different. I'm beginning to think, however, that our confidence level is rising w/r/t that. An unfortunate consequence is a surge in anti-Americanism, which I can admit I used to feel. We turn on the TV, there's Americans, telling us American stories. We watch a movie, there's the same thing. I wonder how many Americans could see that Gladiator is a movie about the United States, set in the United States, about American issues. We look at our security protocols after one of our brothers is attacked, and practicality means that we have to adopt American standards. Your government adopts certain economic policies, and our workers suffer. They adopt others, and we have a boom. It's this kind of practical, every day thing that makes us resentful, for some of us, irrationally so.
Also, calling a slightly higer property crime rate "crime ridden" is a bit of a stretch. If that were adequate reason to adopt rediculous language like that, we could say that your higher violent crime rate, and the fact that crime in your country so much more often leads to serious injury, means that you are a "violent ridden" society, that you are barbarians who beat each and shoot each other with the slightest provocation. I don't say that. Post the exact difference in crime numbers, tell me how much more crime is in Canada. Tell my what percentage is the difference, and what proportion of both our overall crime rates that is. Is it three times the amount? 4 times? Is our crime rate 1% higher? At what point is it high enough to use the words "crime ridden?" At what point is the violent crime rate high enough in your country to be called "violence ridden?"
Personal question, do you regularly Google to find negative statistics about other countries? Do you do so about your own? You often seem to bring in "facts" (without a supporting link) that are peripheral to the discussion at hand, and use them to tenuously support arguments. Not saying that all of your posts are like this, as I said before, you so bring up good points sometimes. But you take tiny, meaningless statistics, and blow them up to huge proportions. I'm halfway to thinking that you don't actually believe the stuff that comes out of your mouth, and you do it to get our goats.
I'll admit, in our past debates you have come up with a couple of good points (surrounded by a ton of crap) that suggest we should maybe scrap the monarchy.
Thing is, in day-to-day life, it has virtually no effect on us. It is not in our head. We don't think about it. Your psychological theories are rediculous, and if you spent one second inside a Canadian's head, you'd it.
Canadians feel insecure because our culture is very similar to the behemoth next door, and we fear that what is unique to us may be overwhelmed. That is the major reason many of us want to keep the Queen, because it keeps us different. I'm beginning to think, however, that our confidence level is rising w/r/t that. An unfortunate consequence is a surge in anti-Americanism, which I can admit I used to feel. We turn on the TV, there's Americans, telling us American stories. We watch a movie, there's the same thing. I wonder how many Americans could see that Gladiator is a movie about the United States, set in the United States, about American issues. We look at our security protocols after one of our brothers is attacked, and practicality means that we have to adopt American standards. Your government adopts certain economic policies, and our workers suffer. They adopt others, and we have a boom. It's this kind of practical, every day thing that makes us resentful, for some of us, irrationally so.
Also, calling a slightly higer property crime rate "crime ridden" is a bit of a stretch. If that were adequate reason to adopt rediculous language like that, we could say that your higher violent crime rate, and the fact that crime in your country so much more often leads to serious injury, means that you are a "violent ridden" society, that you are barbarians who beat each and shoot each other with the slightest provocation. I don't say that. Post the exact difference in crime numbers, tell me how much more crime is in Canada. Tell my what percentage is the difference, and what proportion of both our overall crime rates that is. Is it three times the amount? 4 times? Is our crime rate 1% higher? At what point is it high enough to use the words "crime ridden?" At what point is the violent crime rate high enough in your country to be called "violence ridden?"
Personal question, do you regularly Google to find negative statistics about other countries? Do you do so about your own? You often seem to bring in "facts" (without a supporting link) that are peripheral to the discussion at hand, and use them to tenuously support arguments. Not saying that all of your posts are like this, as I said before, you so bring up good points sometimes. But you take tiny, meaningless statistics, and blow them up to huge proportions. I'm halfway to thinking that you don't actually believe the stuff that comes out of your mouth, and you do it to get our goats.
I just read the OP, not the rest of this thread.
As a lifelong Canadian... I'd have to say that it was pretty spot-on. Canada has long had an identity crisis. However, it's inevitable... there's not much anyone here can do about it. Canada is doomed to being an anti-American political entity, simply because it is the part of North America which is Not America! That's how its always been defined, and that's how it always will be defined... until the UN takes over the world and we all sing and dance in a circle and rejoice under a World Government(tm). <insert Kumbaya recitation>
As a lifelong Canadian... I'd have to say that it was pretty spot-on. Canada has long had an identity crisis. However, it's inevitable... there's not much anyone here can do about it. Canada is doomed to being an anti-American political entity, simply because it is the part of North America which is Not America! That's how its always been defined, and that's how it always will be defined... until the UN takes over the world and we all sing and dance in a circle and rejoice under a World Government(tm). <insert Kumbaya recitation>
TastesLikeChicken
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Canada is American.
Mexico is American.
They're just not the US.
Personally, I don't understand the whole 'Let's freeze our national identity' thing. Countries have been changing politics, culture, and people for millenia. Why should that suddenly stop now?
sandorski
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The term "American" has become synomonous as being a citizen of the US. It's use is not the same as how "European" or "Asian" is used in their respective continents. It's the connotation.
Canada hasn't "frozen" its' identity anymore than the US has, we just differentiate ourselves differently.
AnitaPeterson
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CanOWorms, you really need medical help.
What's this unhealthy fixation of yours with the Queen of England?
Some of the greatest places to live in this world are still monarchies - Scandinavia, Holland... there are schools of thought who still debate the merits of constitutional monarchy. Sure beats having a presidential republic with a madman or a babbling idiot at the very top. I don't remember seeing British children showing me a postcard of the Queen as being one of their most treasured possession on Earth, but I surely do remember being shown postcards of Clinton and Little Rock, a few years back, in Phoenix. Who's the stupid one here?
You are just as blind as the worse Canadians Nora speaks of... and you embody the most disgusting traits of the Americans, in the eyes of a Canadian, European, or anyone else in this world, outside the U.S. Every time I happen to come across one of your posts, I shiver.
As for Nora, it's funny how she still concedes that "there's still more homelessness, racism and income inequality" in the U.S. than Canada, despite of its "endless and repetitive cycle of hand-wringing and angst". It's also quite obvious her American upringing cripples her outside her own country - and she'd be infinitely worse anyplace else in the world than Canada.
On a large scale of things, Canada and the U.S are two giant social laboratories. The Canadian "multicultural" experiment is ran with a watchful eye towards the results of the "melting pot", and, to quote Bono, the world needs more Canada, not more U.S. Also, keep in mind that Canada is a newer country. It became a state in itself less than 150 years ago, and it's still looking for a national identity (something the Americans weren't too quick in obtaining, either). At this point in its infancy, it's easy to look at differences between itself and the States. We are vastly larger than you, and yet we have a ten times smaller population, out of which more than 10 percent arrived here only in the last 25 years. At this point, with the influx of Asian and European immigration, we are definitely starting to see ourselves in a different light. The old colonists (francophones notwithstanding) were from a similar mold with those who populated the U.S., so the similarities were larger in the past. But as morre immigrants arrive, who have no reason to feel kinship towards Washington, it's possible the rift would enlarge. Canadian nationalism will become reality at some point, and the next generations will not be too keen about their predecessors indebting the country so much to the U.S. If I were to judge, I'd say Canada will become more and more unlike the U.S. over the next 100 years. And definitely will outlast it, regardless of military might.
*edit*... Rabid Mongoose accuses Stunt of nationalism... and yet, why is nationalism such a bad thing? Certainly, the feeling is more prevalent among the Americans on this board, yet they don't see it as a bad thing when it comes to themselves. Nationalism is necessary for a strong national identity. It's chauvinism that poisons things. And I'm not going to name names anymore, but you know who you are - you posted enough times in this thread to make my point.
What's this unhealthy fixation of yours with the Queen of England?
Some of the greatest places to live in this world are still monarchies - Scandinavia, Holland... there are schools of thought who still debate the merits of constitutional monarchy. Sure beats having a presidential republic with a madman or a babbling idiot at the very top. I don't remember seeing British children showing me a postcard of the Queen as being one of their most treasured possession on Earth, but I surely do remember being shown postcards of Clinton and Little Rock, a few years back, in Phoenix. Who's the stupid one here?
You are just as blind as the worse Canadians Nora speaks of... and you embody the most disgusting traits of the Americans, in the eyes of a Canadian, European, or anyone else in this world, outside the U.S. Every time I happen to come across one of your posts, I shiver.
As for Nora, it's funny how she still concedes that "there's still more homelessness, racism and income inequality" in the U.S. than Canada, despite of its "endless and repetitive cycle of hand-wringing and angst". It's also quite obvious her American upringing cripples her outside her own country - and she'd be infinitely worse anyplace else in the world than Canada.
On a large scale of things, Canada and the U.S are two giant social laboratories. The Canadian "multicultural" experiment is ran with a watchful eye towards the results of the "melting pot", and, to quote Bono, the world needs more Canada, not more U.S. Also, keep in mind that Canada is a newer country. It became a state in itself less than 150 years ago, and it's still looking for a national identity (something the Americans weren't too quick in obtaining, either). At this point in its infancy, it's easy to look at differences between itself and the States. We are vastly larger than you, and yet we have a ten times smaller population, out of which more than 10 percent arrived here only in the last 25 years. At this point, with the influx of Asian and European immigration, we are definitely starting to see ourselves in a different light. The old colonists (francophones notwithstanding) were from a similar mold with those who populated the U.S., so the similarities were larger in the past. But as morre immigrants arrive, who have no reason to feel kinship towards Washington, it's possible the rift would enlarge. Canadian nationalism will become reality at some point, and the next generations will not be too keen about their predecessors indebting the country so much to the U.S. If I were to judge, I'd say Canada will become more and more unlike the U.S. over the next 100 years. And definitely will outlast it, regardless of military might.
*edit*... Rabid Mongoose accuses Stunt of nationalism... and yet, why is nationalism such a bad thing? Certainly, the feeling is more prevalent among the Americans on this board, yet they don't see it as a bad thing when it comes to themselves. Nationalism is necessary for a strong national identity. It's chauvinism that poisons things. And I'm not going to name names anymore, but you know who you are - you posted enough times in this thread to make my point.
I'm not accusing him of 'normal' nationalism - I am accusing him of blind nationalism. It is my experience that Canadians are the single most nationalistic people on this planet. However, their nationalism is not in much pride of their own country - but in pride of comparing their country to their one neighbor and condemning this one neighbor.
Please don't take my (amateur) psychological theories seriously. I do think that it would be interesting to see a Michael Moore-like documentary on the issue though, like how he links a 'culture of fear' in BFC to misuse of guns.
If the Queen isn't that important in your lives, why is she now all of a sudden an important part of Canadian culture?
I'm just following RealityTime's post
I don't actually think that Canada is rampant with crime.I read a lot of news. I post negative statistics and info about the US in brand new threads here (do a search of my threads). I haven't created a thread in a while at all recently though on any topic.
ok
I think that countries with monarchies should join progressive countries that have decided that the concept of superior bloodlines is no longer part of the present. Who cares if some of the best countries in the world have monarchies? You're making a big leap if you're saying that the monarchies are responsible for these countries being successful. Some of the worst countries in the world have monarchies as well.
Glad to see that you can act civil.
Thanks. You embody the most disgusting traits of EVERYONE in the world. You are a xenophobic, ultra-right wing whacko. Are you still trying to deport those refugees? :roll:
God bless the Queen.
anita, please ignore the two of them. canoworms refers to me saying we are rampant with crime here because of a typo of all things on my part. he didn't like hearing about how rampant violent and gun related crime is in his country, when compared to ours on a per capita basis. Thus, he chose to be the child he his and twist my words to ignore my honest message. I just don't bother with these two. They are completely out of the touch, the sort of people who will go along with whatever they are told. Sheep. And sadly, quite obviously, easily programmed ones. Just don't bother with either of them, or entertaining their arguments. They both just loop the same endless crap, they have nothing concrete to produce, they seem to think if they repeat the same claptrap enough times it will somehow become reality. More often than not, they are so lacking for any argument of substance from whatever nether regions they can find in their brains, that they resort to repeating your own statements back at you
. Don't bother. I've tuned out their inane chatter, it's just not up to the bar of intelligent adult discourse. I rate them at best as a couple of university graduate age nincompoops with so much arrogance they can't see beyond the tunnel of their vision . At worst if they are of an age beyond that, well, that is just a sorry, sorry state of affairs. Don't reply to them, I and many others just don't, it's a waste of finger movement.fyi, on an un-related note. madman bush was up here in ottawa today to talk to our prime minister about border issues and various other issues apparently. more than likely he was here to carry on about his idiotic missile defence program that doesn't work, and harrass us for the use of our northern lands he needs to implement this foolishness. I thought one of the more telling remarks obtained in an interview on citytv from one of the protestors was from an elderly gentleman who said, I quote 'bush says he is a Christian, than when is he going to start acting like one ?' touche... touche. :beer:
So says the person that has no facts and when he does try to post a fact, he apparently is wrong.
Thanks for the example of blind nationalism. Blind sheep such as yourself do not believe in facts. In fact you are above the facts, right? You are a perfect example of how disgusting nationalism can get!
It is fairly fun to 'argue' (if we can even call it that) with RealityTime. It is as if I'm arguing with a four year old child that is putting his hands over his ears while screaming - all in an attempt to hide from the truth.
He's probably screaming 'baaahhhhhhh bahhhhhhhhh', too.
No, Canada is 'rampant' with crime because the UN says that it has very high crime victimization rates. I said myself that the US has higher rates of certain forms of violent crime. I think you're confused. You're the one that doesn't like hearing about violence as seen in your 'babble on' post.
I actually don't like refering to crime statistics since they are easily twisted. For example, Switzerland twists its crime statistics purposely to make minorities look bad. The UK reported lower crime rates when police records and independent organizations found the opposite. Even in Canada, 1 in 4 Canadians report being a victim of a crime, yet less than half even report the crimes to the police.
AnitaPeterson
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CanOWorms, this is the very last time I will ever reply to you, so I'm going to keep it short. Unfortunately, I cannot do what I'd have done 200 years ago, when I could have challenged you to a duel (admitting that you'd have taken up such a gentlemanly challenge) and hopefully be done with you. So I'm going to just assume you're dead from now on.
You missed your last chance to show any kind of brains, in your reply. You could have offered some arguments worth sinking one's teeth into. You have no idea of the difference between different forms of state organisation, are clueless about constitutional monarchies vs. absolute monarchies - and for a Christian American, your lack of knowledge concerning the European monarchies' claims of divine descent is at least bizarre. And to top things, you accuse me of being a "a xenophobic, ultra-right wing whacko, trying to deport refugees".
Actually, I laughed at that, considering that some time ago, someone here called me a "Commie bitch". You should get into some sort of agreement with my other "fans".
All your posts - for what I know, I've only seen you in P&N - have to deal with some alarmistic, highly acidic criticism of Europe. Some time ago I asked if you ever had a bad sexual experience with a burly European man. You have failed to convince me otherwise. Come to think about it, must've also been a painful case of home invasion, because you're obviously not travelled enough. I bet if you ever go to Paris, McDonald's and Euro Disney will be your first and only stops.
Again and again, you are only showing exactly the same kind of bias that the article quoted in the OP criticizes about Canadians. You only look at information that supports and fuels your absolute hatred and/or disdain and/or contempt for all things non-American. "I am different. I am American! Not perfect, but damn close!" Pathetic, really.
But I'm going to stop here.
As many on this board know, I'm an atheist, but since I am considering you dead from now on, I see no harm in these parting words: May your God have mercy on your soul. Adieu.
You missed your last chance to show any kind of brains, in your reply. You could have offered some arguments worth sinking one's teeth into. You have no idea of the difference between different forms of state organisation, are clueless about constitutional monarchies vs. absolute monarchies - and for a Christian American, your lack of knowledge concerning the European monarchies' claims of divine descent is at least bizarre. And to top things, you accuse me of being a "a xenophobic, ultra-right wing whacko, trying to deport refugees".
Actually, I laughed at that, considering that some time ago, someone here called me a "Commie bitch". You should get into some sort of agreement with my other "fans".
All your posts - for what I know, I've only seen you in P&N - have to deal with some alarmistic, highly acidic criticism of Europe. Some time ago I asked if you ever had a bad sexual experience with a burly European man. You have failed to convince me otherwise. Come to think about it, must've also been a painful case of home invasion, because you're obviously not travelled enough. I bet if you ever go to Paris, McDonald's and Euro Disney will be your first and only stops.
Again and again, you are only showing exactly the same kind of bias that the article quoted in the OP criticizes about Canadians. You only look at information that supports and fuels your absolute hatred and/or disdain and/or contempt for all things non-American. "I am different. I am American! Not perfect, but damn close!" Pathetic, really.
But I'm going to stop here.
As many on this board know, I'm an atheist, but since I am considering you dead from now on, I see no harm in these parting words: May your God have mercy on your soul. Adieu.
AnitaPeterson = Zell Miller?
I am not a Christian. Americans come in all religions and even no religion at all. However, the Canadian monarch must only come from one religious sect. I understand the differences between constitutional monarchies and absolute monarchies. I suggest you find the thread titled "The Monarchy Effect." My point is never that countries with constitutional monarchies aren't real democracies if you think that's what I'm trying to say. You probably don't understand much about the monarchy and how it is inherently discriminatory and incompatible within a society that believes in equality.
Yes, I've already told you that several times. You praise yourself as some sort of liberal, yet you then state that refugees should be kicked out of the country, etc like an ultra far-right whacko.
Every post I've seen from you is just a bunch of whining and crying with the ocassional blanket statement about Somalians or Muslims or another ethnic/minority/religious group. Did your Muslim Somali boyfriend break up with you?
It's pretty difficult to show absolute hatred/disdain/contempt for all things non-American, especially since not only are the majority of my colleagues not American, but almost everyone related to me is not American.
It's pathetic, really. You assume so much about someone. Is this because of the Queen? Possibly. Superior bloodlines and all.
May the Queen have mercy on your soul.
Based on the way you talk about Canada on these forums I can see why the people here would give you a hard time.
I've lived with several American students over a 2 year period, and we never had any issues regarding anti-American sentiment. I'm still good friends with one of them. He's from Texas no less, and I voted for the NDP in the last election (it doesn't get much further left than that).
To generalize and say that all Canadians hate Americans is ridiculous. It's been blown out of proportion by the media because of that crazy MP stomping on Bush dolls.
I was raised from the time I was a child that Americans are our closest allies internationally, and I'm certain there are countless others out there with a similar outlook. If you look back historically, we've had each other's backs covered more times than we betrayed one another. :beer:
I was raised from the time I was a child that Americans are our closest allies internationally, and I'm certain there are countless others out there with a similar outlook. If you look back historically, we've had each other's backs covered more times than we betrayed one another. :beer:[/quote]
Hi, I'm not saying that all Canadians are anything. I'm saying that many Canadians have an unusual and unhealthy fixation on the United States, so much so that it leads to the most sickening patriotism on this planet.
Canada overall is a greaty country. I've stated this multiple times. However, there is an inferiority complex infecting a good portion of its population, IMO.
Canadians stating their dislike for your country implies an inferiority complex? Are you kidding me?
Have you ever thought that maybe they are simply opposed to things like the war in Iraq? It sounds to me like you have a superiority complex.
Most Canadians do not feel inferior to Americans. They just tend to vent their frustrations regarding the local bully.
How did you jump to that statement? Nope. I'm not sure what the source of the inferiority complex is.
My guess would be that the inferiority complex comes from a variety of factors, not a single source. Perhaps the main factor is almost completely depending and being influenced by a single country, which happens to be the world's lone superpower.
I would agree that many Americans have some sort of superiority complex. This probably comes from the US being the world's only superpower as well. It is amazing that the inferiority complex of many Canadians and the superiority complex of many Americans may have the same source.
I'm not sure if most do or not - just that a good number do have a massive inferiority complex.
Stunt
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Hi, I'm not saying that all Canadians are anything. I'm saying that many Canadians have an unusual and unhealthy fixation on the United States, so much so that it leads to the most sickening patriotism on this planet.
Canada overall is a greaty country. I've stated this multiple times. However, there is an inferiority complex infecting a good portion of its population, IMO.[/quote]
"IMO"...your opinion = teh wrong...get over it.
If your opinion was remotely correct, you'd have at least one of the dozens of Canadians on these forums backing you up.
All you have is a bunch of Canadians of all stripes trying to open your eyes to the truth.
Your solution? CTRL V "endless crap...again...and again"
Thanks for posting your 2 Turkish Lira's worth. It is obviously not welcomed here...even by your fellow americans.
As you refuse to open your eyes...I suggest you and COW jerk each other through PM.
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