you're deluded. get over it. there is nothing special down there. im out of this argument now. if you want to continue it, to force yourself to believe what is underneath all your babble, specificaly, america is so great. than feel free. bye now.
you're deluded. get over it. there is nothing special down there. im out of this argument now. if you want to continue it, to force yourself to believe what is underneath all your babble, specificaly, america is so great. than feel free. bye now.
Well it is obvious that I have run into another one of the Canadian nationalists, especially when speaking of the US.
Continue on living in your life full of insecurity and feelings of inferiority.
Canadians hated Americans long before Bush was President. I have a long history of travel between the two. On the other hand, English Canadians hate the French Canadians more than they hate Americans, and vice versa. Canadians are a bunch of bigots!
I think that you're kidding, but my sarcasmometer has been off recently.
The Hell's Angels are the pre-eminent crime organization in Canada. They "own" entire small towns up here, and have moved in to most cities in the country. They own every strip club in my region, and that has been a new transition, intimidatiing and in one case murdering those who were previously involved with them. They are responsible for a huge proportion of the marijuana export to the United States (Canada's #1 cash crop export). They are not like many smaller biker organizations which are fairly harmless.
Now, you could argue that one shouldn't persecute based on group membership, and those arguments would be valid. But I ask you, how would you feel if we had to let go a member of Al-Queda on the same principle?
Bikers are a buncha pansies. Ph they will gang up on you and beat you up cause not man enough to fight by themselves.
sandorski
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I was expecting to hear of personal attacks on the Author, but none seem to have happened. It is quite telling that the Author's experiences with "Anti-Americanism" are not Personal, but just a sentiment seen from the Media or directed towards issues focussed on issues with the US. That's not to say that the Author has no point, it's just that the Author expects Canadians to have been different and to have a more glowing view of the US. The preconception that Canadians are just Americans has been found by the Author to be false.
Why these attitudes in Canada? It's based on a Reality, a Reality of Self-Preservation that Americans seem to have a hard time grasping. Canadians are constantly bombarded with American Ideals and Culture from TV, Radio, and other forms of communication. Despite that, Canadians do not agree with much of those Ideals and we struggle to keep our(Canadian) Ideals from being overwhelmed. If the situation were different and Canada had Hollywood and other Cultural Monoliths, Americans would have the same attitudes.
In many ways the same kind of Anti-ism towards Canada does exist in the US, as the Author defines "Anti-American". Just look at the HealthCare issue as an example. As soon as someone mentions reform in the US, suddenly the Canadian HealthCare system becomes part of the discussion. few ever use the Canadian System as a Model or even suggest the implementation of such a system, but many begin the campaign of Fear based upon this or that exagerated problem with the Canadian System. Personally I wouldn't call that "Anti-Canada", but from the Author's use of the term "Anti-America" it would be a legitimate useage of the term.
In short, the Author's misconceptions have crumbled and the Author has mistakenly dubbed Reality as "Anti-American". Perhaps the Author came to Canada prematurely and would prefer to live in the US afterall.
Why these attitudes in Canada? It's based on a Reality, a Reality of Self-Preservation that Americans seem to have a hard time grasping. Canadians are constantly bombarded with American Ideals and Culture from TV, Radio, and other forms of communication. Despite that, Canadians do not agree with much of those Ideals and we struggle to keep our(Canadian) Ideals from being overwhelmed. If the situation were different and Canada had Hollywood and other Cultural Monoliths, Americans would have the same attitudes.
In many ways the same kind of Anti-ism towards Canada does exist in the US, as the Author defines "Anti-American". Just look at the HealthCare issue as an example. As soon as someone mentions reform in the US, suddenly the Canadian HealthCare system becomes part of the discussion. few ever use the Canadian System as a Model or even suggest the implementation of such a system, but many begin the campaign of Fear based upon this or that exagerated problem with the Canadian System. Personally I wouldn't call that "Anti-Canada", but from the Author's use of the term "Anti-America" it would be a legitimate useage of the term.
In short, the Author's misconceptions have crumbled and the Author has mistakenly dubbed Reality as "Anti-American". Perhaps the Author came to Canada prematurely and would prefer to live in the US afterall.
I find it amusing that conservatives seem to think a significant portion of Kerry voters want to leave the US. Of course I blame this on the mistaken impression that if you don't like Bush, you hate the US. How's that ignorance going for you guys?
Ok, I remember when you posted this before. And I will repeat my response, while at the same time clarifying the original article.
The original argument showed that 90% of doctors have given precedence to others based on position or personal relationships with them.
This means that the system isn't perfect, not that the elite have systematically co-opted it.
I've been given special treatement in hospitals because of who I knew. I grew up in public housing, raised by a single mother. It's not just the elite who get it. I was operated on by the same doctor who treats Mario Lemieux and Eric Lindros. I got that by luck of the draw. I got an ealier spot in the waiting list because of who the father of my friend was, whom I met in Kindergarten. Not fair, and in an ideal world it wouldn't have happened. But we have the kind of world up here where a poor kid can be operated on by the best, and not have his parents go bankrupt.
One significant aspect of our society is that in many places, the elite are not segregated from the masses. That means that a poor person has the opportunity to make connections among the elite.
The elite get special treatment in all societies. Not all give the poor the chance to do so.
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Canada has serious issues. For one it's cold. Not to be normally inhabited by people and only thier almost free hydro power gives them ability to heat thier frozen homes. Second is taxes. You're taxed on everything heavily, not that we have low taxes, but just double every tax you now pay and you'll get a good picture. Then you have to run to state owned liquer stores for your beer and wine needs. Also Canada is destined to go broke...in Canada they have a massive third world immigration problem too who they give every benefit under the sun to, health care, social security, education etc etc etc and the actual natives have to pay for this out of thier earnings. Another thing is they have no right to bear arms and you're at the mercy of any thug who wants your stuff.
All in all USA is the best country to live IMO. Sure we have problems sure we spend too much on armaments and maybe not enough on social works but I'll take warm weather, California beaches, low barriers to home ownership, low barriers to starting a business, sportmanship, cheap vices like gas and booze to Canada anyday.
All in all USA is the best country to live IMO. Sure we have problems sure we spend too much on armaments and maybe not enough on social works but I'll take warm weather, California beaches, low barriers to home ownership, low barriers to starting a business, sportmanship, cheap vices like gas and booze to Canada anyday.
Ah, another with a massive inferiority complex.
Raging nationalism going through Stunty's body - he exemplifies what I have been speaking about...his nationalism is second to none, especially when an evil American says anything about Canada. This is a sickness that must be eliminated from Canada!
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Actually, in Ontario at least, we don't have anything like 'free' hydro. In fact, even previous to the last 5 years, the only reason our hydro was 'subsidized' was capital debt accumulated through poor management of hydro generation; we actually paid the ongoing costs of our hydro. Not to mention that electric heat is relatively uncommon here, in my experience; everywhere I have lived has had F.A.G. or H.W.G. heating, which are considerably cheaper than electric heat.
Double your taxes? Please. Once you add the cost of basic health care to American tax bills, they aren't very different at all. It's fine to argue that socialized medicine is misguided; but you still have to compare apples to apples.
The Beer Store is not state run; and while alcohol and tobacco face relatively heavy taxes, it isn't really a deal-breaker, at least not for me. I still pay less than $1 a beer (in Canadian dollars, no less).
There's also no law against owning a gun in Canada. Keeping it loaded under your pillow isn't looked on too well though; but you can look up the statistics on how safe that makes you yourself; you're more likely to be shot with your own gun, or shoot someone in your own family than you are to effectively protect yourself from a dangerous situation.
you have to at least recognize these unjust criticisms...calling a whole nation a bunch of bigots is not showing inferiority, but arrogance on the part of the speaker.[/quote]
I agree - but that has nothing to do with me. Stating facts about Canada's economic dependence upon the United States, on the other hand, is not unjust. It is the cold & hard reality.
sandorski
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Just thought I'd add a couple more points:
1) Liquor/Beer used to be sold in Government stores, but that has changed a lot in the last 2 decades and though these stores still exist, Beer and Wine is generally quite available in regular Private stores now, at least in BC/Alberta. Outside of cities Government run stores are actually the only places to find a good variety of Imported Alcohol Products.
2) Canada is far from going broke, in fact Canada is moving away from it quite rapidly through both Economic Growth and an Actual lowering Debt level(not by GDP, though that is true as well, but by $).
? How bizarre. The right to bear arms is a sad and sorry right to have, want or need. We're at the mercy of any thug ? Many people, myself included think the right to bear arms is one of the direct causes of the rampant murder rate and gun-involved crime in the usa. Let's just put this in a quick perspective for you. I live in Toronto. The fifth biggest city in North America. We have approximately 3,000,000 people here and with outlying cities directly agains our border, Missisauga, York Region and Pickering have approximately 10,000,000. This is referred to as the GTA (greater toronto area). In just Toronto, we have had no more than 90 murders in the course of one year in all our history. Combing the GTA, a 10,000,000 population we have had no more than 250 murders in all our history. Now there is no city in the usa of a comparable size that does not at a minimum multiply our murder rate bye at least 5-fold and up over 10-fold. This is not even considering robbery, rape, assault etc. Violent crimes which are also exponentially higher in america. To put in a vastly more shocking perspective, new york city, or washington dc and many other large urban centres have more murders and robberies in one year than our entire country as whole. On a per capita basis, your country is a rampant base for crime. Oh and yes we welcome the world and immigration. We realize this is a global world we live in. We're all brothers. It's God bless everyone, not God bless the usa. There is no 'greatest' or 'best' country in the world. And hey, yes we have high immigration, but obviously we are still one of the safest places in the world to live. So don't spout your inane rubbish about the right to bear arms. We don't need or want to bear arms. Here is a stark reality for you. YOU CAN'T BUY A HANDGUN HERE! WE DON'T HAVE GUN SHOPS THAT SELL HANDGUNS! AND THANK GOD IMMENSELY FOR THAT! Whoever wants to worship a tool designed to kill is more than welcome to entertain that sick indulgance. But in Canada we do not want that garbage please and thank you very f*cking much. And if beer and wine is a 'need' for you, perhaps you should get some help for that. Who bloody cares where you buy your liquor. It's the same bloody thing. Your arguments open the window wide on the simple things you consider precious to your existance.
Actually, on a per capita basis, the US has lower crime victimization than Canada according to the United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute.
It's God bless the Queen in Canada.
Um ok. You show me the statistics that show the us has lower cases of violent crime per capita than canada. dont talk nonsense it defeats any argument you may have.
I would say that most of the forms of violent crime are probably higher in the US than Canada. I'm talking about overall crime.
God bless the Queen.
probably ? exponentially so. And you are obviously so out of touch with what the climate is in Canada. The queen is barely aknowledged here, beyond being on the back of a few of our coins. There is zero reference to the queen anywhere. You have no idea how asinine you are coming off. but hey, neither do bush and his inept oil board of directors cohorts.
Canada as it is now is a 'rampant base of crime' as you put it.
Zero reference to the queen? She's your head of state, on money, new citizens must swear allegiance to her, armed forces declare allegiance to her, etc. You're on a roll spewing incorrect 'facts'
God bless the Queen. Not God bless everyone because the Queen is of a superior bloodline.
Uhhh speak for yourself about the pizza -- I say nothing of the sort. Stop spouting nonsense, child:
You're making Canadians look bad.
That being said, Canadians are too anti-American. TFA is mostly right.
It is far too easy to look at the actions of a government, and judge the population because of it. Back when you guys made the decision to go to Iraq, I often heard people talk about what the 'stupid fvcking Americans' were up to now.
But as someone else suggested, anti-Americanism has is not simply a product of Bush's current reign. It has been around since at least the late 60's. Pierre Trudeau, elected our Prime Minister in 1968, was openly anti-American and nationalistic.
But take our nationalism with a grain of salt. It will never lead to a Canadian invasion of the US
, it is effectively meaningless.I will disagree with you about the temperature issue. Where I live, in Vancouver, the temperature goes under -2 degrees Celcius two or three instances a year, and when it does, we consider it a good thing -- as city folks, we like the snow
The vast majority of Canadians live in the southern part of Canada -- and Vancouver weather is similar to Seattle weather (maybe a little nicer
) and Toronto weather is similar to Grand Rapids weather. In many ways, our weather is not that much different.We do have massive immigration, but this is not really a problem. In Vancouver at least, most of the immigrants are skilled, educated, wealthy, (and good looking
) Asian people. They are not a burden at all, but pay taxes just like the rest of us do. The taxes they pay help out all the homeless white guys downtown.An Iranian immigrant recently donated over 6 million dollars of his personal money to the Vancouver Childrens Hospital (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada...c_donation041104.html). That money is more than doubling the size of the cancer clinic there.
I'm not worried about the immigrant population draining Federal reserves, but the aging population draining Federal reserves. Those darned old people are really gonna put a strain on the system
.I also disagree with your right-to-bear-arms point. Most of the thugs here don't have fire-arms, so it is not leaving you defenseless, just taking the possible violence to a lower level. Also, our thugs are usually reckless middle-to-upperclass youth with no responsibilities, not poverty-stricken people, so they aren't as desperate. You just gotta make sure mob mentality doesn't kick in, and be wary of large groups of 19-23 year olds. Otherwise, you can usually intimidate a would-be mugger.
Finally, I just want to say I really respect your posts. I've seen you around in the CPU and other computer forums here at AT, and you've always been very respectful and stuff.
Keep up the good work
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