Before you pack for Ottawa

[judasmachine]

I just may be superior, although not for the reasons you are alluding to, but the fact that your side seems to have an inferiority complex.

 

[Kibbo]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Canada has serious issues. For one it's cold. Not to be normally inhabited by people and only thier almost free hydro power gives them ability to heat thier frozen homes. Second is taxes. You're taxed on everything heavily, not that we have low taxes, but just double every tax you now pay and you'll get a good picture. Then you have to run to state owned liquer stores for your beer and wine needs. Also Canada is destined to go broke...in Canada they have a massive third world immigration problem too who they give every benefit under the sun to, health care, social security, education etc etc etc and the actual natives have to pay for this out of thier earnings. Another thing is they have no right to bear arms and you're at the mercy of any thug who wants your stuff.

All in all USA is the best country to live IMO. Sure we have problems sure we spend too much on armaments and maybe not enough on social works but I'll take warm weather, California beaches, low barriers to home ownership, low barriers to starting a business, sportmanship, cheap vices like gas and booze to Canada anyday.

You're an idiot Zebo. Canada does not have a massive immigration problem. We want them to come. We need them to keep our economy running. We only take the highly skilled in, unless they are refugees. And we cap that number. As a matter of fact, the gov't sets a number for the annual number of immigrants we want, and we haven't filled the quota in years. We need more immigrants.

Remember, we don't have a huge border with a third world country. We can control the number of immigrants we let in.

And we did have people here before central heating. Just like Michigan did.

And taxes here are lower than you might think. We have lower Dividend, Capital Gains and Corporate taxes than you, on average. At the federal level, we have a lower income tax rate, especially for high income earners. We also have no inheritance tax.

When you take into account provincial taxation, however, things change. We end up having higher tax rates in that comparison, though the difference is small if you compare us to the "Blue" states of NY or California.

What is really interesting is that in terms of after-tax income, the bottom 4 quintiles of the population have a higher average income than do the equivalent quintiles in the United States. In 1995, (most recent data I could find on a quick Google) The poorest 20% of the population in Canada made $4,000 more per year after taxes than did the poorest 20% in the US. The second poorest (working poor, mostly) also made over 4 grand more. The middle 20% also made $4,000 more than did the American equivalent. The fourth highest, the second richest quintile, made $3,250 dollars more after taxes than did the American equivalent. Only the richest 20% made more after tax in the US than in Canada. Add free health care to the mix. Unless you are in the top 20% of income earners, you will have a better standard of life in Canada.

PS, Can O worms is right, we have a higher rate of property crimes, but a lower rate of extremely violent crimes than does the US, which swings up the average numbers. But some say that that is because more people report them up here. I dunno about that

 

[Michael]

I voted with my feet.

Moved from the Montreal area to the USA quite a while ago.

I miss some things about Canada and am still Canadian, but the USA has a lot going for it.

Michael

(now living in Singapore)

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
I just may be superior, although not for the reasons you are alluding to, but the fact that your side seems to have an inferiority complex.

That comment is what is primarily referred to in the more intelligent discussions as a "cop out" or a "straw man". When in doubt create your own version of reality or build one for others to enjoy as well.

People tend to overly generalize and simplify a subject and effectively "dumb it down" for the rest of the horde of "me too!" sheep who are eagerly waiting to pounce on threads like this one with the coveted "Reply" button without ever having to think about the subject for more than a minute.

Brilliant.

Of course anyone who disagrees is a) person who suffers from an inferiority complex or b) someone obsessed about the US.

Right, cause this Forum is primarily a) discussion about all the feel good things US and other politicians do and b) constant infotainment about Australia and New Zealand.

I have to ask one question.

What do you call this private world you live in. More importantly what do you do when someone doesn't follow it like sheep.

p.s. Don't answer that last one folks that is what is called a rhetorical question.

p.p.s. I'm not singling you out judasmachine so don't missunderstand. After all you didn't start this line of "group think".

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: judasmachine
I just may be superior, although not for the reasons you are alluding to, but the fact that your side seems to have an inferiority complex.

That comment is what is primarily referred to in the more intelligent discussions as a "cop out" or a "straw man". When in doubt create your own version of reality or build one for others to enjoy as well.

People tend to overly generalize and simplify a subject and effectively "dumb it down" for the rest of the horde of "me too!" sheep who are eagerly waiting to pounce on threads like this one with the coveted "Reply" button without ever having to think about the subject for more than a minute.

Brilliant.

Of course anyone who disagrees is a) person who suffers from an inferiority complex or b) someone obsessed about the US.

Right, cause this Forum is primarily a) discussion about all the feel good things US and other politicians do and b) constant infotainment about Australia and New Zealand.

I have to ask one question.

What do you call this private world you live in. More importantly what do you do when someone doesn't follow it like sheep.

p.s. Don't answer that last one folks that is what is called a rhetorical question.

p.p.s. I'm not singling you out judasmachine so don't missunderstand. After all you didn't start this line of "group think".

Actually, I was just being a smarta$$, but ok. The way I look at it, it doesn't matter what anyone says in here (within the rules of course) as we are all so glued to our own side that there will be very little compromise or solution.

On Topic: I think less wish to move to Canada or anywhere else for that matter than is being reported. I think the problem is that this is HOME, and we all want to make our HOME better today than it was yesterday. We just have differant views of "better."

 

[Stunt]

I've actually been quite surprised lately with the acusations of Canadians having an inferiority complex.
I have come to my own theory on the idea...this may be attributed to a supiority/jealousy complex of americans.

Americans throughout their history have proven time and time again that they feel they deserve special treatment and respect.
This may be exemplified by their many change of regimes and role internationally.

In addition to this feeling of supreme power to effectively take over any country of their liking, comes this trigger happy pride seen in many members of this forum.
If anyone questions motives and reasoning, they are accused of being against what is right and are not deserving of america's respect.

The jealousy factor has come about more recently where all countries are criusing along fine economically, where the Americans struggle to grasp on to any sort of good news. With the dollar dropping like a rock, record debt levels and insane deficits, it is hard not to be jealous of many other nations. In addition to this fiscal shape, the middle class is declining, and poverty is growing. It has always been the american way to lower taxes, boost trade and have an open economy. This is proving to be wrong as shown by the rest of the 1st world. It is my opinion that americans are starting to question their libertarian ways and its effect on society.

It's ok to admit you are wrong in some cases, there doesnt always have to be the wrong way and the american way. Working with other nations will make you far better off than flipping them the bird and saying they are inferior. This is not an inferiority complex of the world...the world is far greater than the US...It is definately a supiority complex south of the 49th.

Combine that with the recent economic developments creates the types of comments you see above.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I like Canadian women. I've always found them very...accommodating.

This whole American/Canadian thing is just ridiculous. It's like an extension of arguing that your high school was better than another. Canada has its drawbacks and its advantages. So does the US. That's about all that can be said with any certainty.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I like Canadian women. I've always found them very...accommodating.

This whole American/Canadian thing is just ridiculous. It's like an extension of arguing that your high school was better than another. Canada has its drawbacks and its advantages. So does the US. That's about all that can be said with any certainty.

True that ...i am a big fan of the women up here

The weater isn't so great...I dont mind it. But it means the women are all bundled up...woman in a parka < woman in a swimsuit.

Ah well...they make up for it in the summer

 

[RabidMongoose]

I've actually been quite surprised lately with the acusations of Canadians having an inferiority complex.

Such a claim has been around for quite some time.

Canadians have an unnatural obsession with the United States - to such an extent that it ends up with many Canadians lying, spreading false information, and so on. This thread already has several examples. It is hilarious indeed to watch someone label a country a certain way, only to have that very same label be as or more accurate to his own country and then run away!

I suppose many Canadians feel very insecure about being fairly insignificant on the world stage and this is partly the cause of this very well known complex...not to mention their dependence on a single nation for their very existence, as I am sure that many resent such a dependence. However, on the other hand, many Americans apparently do feel that they are superior.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: judasmachine
I just may be superior, although not for the reasons you are alluding to, but the fact that your side seems to have an inferiority complex.

That comment is what is primarily referred to in the more intelligent discussions as a "cop out" or a "straw man". When in doubt create your own version of reality or build one for others to enjoy as well.

People tend to overly generalize and simplify a subject and effectively "dumb it down" for the rest of the horde of "me too!" sheep who are eagerly waiting to pounce on threads like this one with the coveted "Reply" button without ever having to think about the subject for more than a minute.

Brilliant.

Of course anyone who disagrees is a) person who suffers from an inferiority complex or b) someone obsessed about the US.

Right, cause this Forum is primarily a) discussion about all the feel good things US and other politicians do and b) constant infotainment about Australia and New Zealand.

I have to ask one question.

What do you call this private world you live in. More importantly what do you do when someone doesn't follow it like sheep.

p.s. Don't answer that last one folks that is what is called a rhetorical question.

p.p.s. I'm not singling you out judasmachine so don't missunderstand. After all you didn't start this line of "group think".

Actually, I was just being a smarta$$, but ok. The way I look at it, it doesn't matter what anyone says in here (within the rules of course) as we are all so glued to our own side that there will be very little compromise or solution.

On Topic: I think less wish to move to Canada or anywhere else for that matter than is being reported. I think the problem is that this is HOME, and we all want to make our HOME better today than it was yesterday. We just have differant views of "better."

I think you're right.

 

[RealityTime]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

I've actually been quite surprised lately with the acusations of Canadians having an inferiority complex.

Such a claim has been around for quite some time.

Canadians have an unnatural obsession with the United States - to such an extent that it ends up with many Canadians lying, spreading false information, and so on. This thread already has several examples. It is hilarious indeed to watch someone label a country a certain way, only to have that very same label be as or more accurate to his own country and then run away!

I suppose many Canadians feel very insecure about being fairly insignificant on the world stage and this is partly the cause of this very well known complex...not to mention their dependence on a single nation for their very existence, as I am sure that many resent such a dependence. However, on the other hand, many Americans apparently do feel that they are superior.

So is this complex similar to one americans have toward the middle east in general, particulary saudi arabia ? Your complete and utter dependence on their natural resources ? Is this what bothers you so about the region, that they have what youi do not, and so desparately need in such abundance ?

:beer:

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: RealityTime

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

I've actually been quite surprised lately with the acusations of Canadians having an inferiority complex.

Such a claim has been around for quite some time.

Canadians have an unnatural obsession with the United States - to such an extent that it ends up with many Canadians lying, spreading false information, and so on. This thread already has several examples. It is hilarious indeed to watch someone label a country a certain way, only to have that very same label be as or more accurate to his own country and then run away!

I suppose many Canadians feel very insecure about being fairly insignificant on the world stage and this is partly the cause of this very well known complex...not to mention their dependence on a single nation for their very existence, as I am sure that many resent such a dependence. However, on the other hand, many Americans apparently do feel that they are superior.

So is this complex similar to one americans have toward the middle east in general, particulary saudi arabia ? Your complete and utter dependence on their natural resources ? Is this what bothers you so about the region, that they have what youi do not, and so desparately need in such abundance ?

:beer:

Actually, we get far more oil from Canada than the ME.

 

[RealityTime]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: RealityTime

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

I've actually been quite surprised lately with the acusations of Canadians having an inferiority complex.

Such a claim has been around for quite some time.

Canadians have an unnatural obsession with the United States - to such an extent that it ends up with many Canadians lying, spreading false information, and so on. This thread already has several examples. It is hilarious indeed to watch someone label a country a certain way, only to have that very same label be as or more accurate to his own country and then run away!

I suppose many Canadians feel very insecure about being fairly insignificant on the world stage and this is partly the cause of this very well known complex...not to mention their dependence on a single nation for their very existence, as I am sure that many resent such a dependence. However, on the other hand, many Americans apparently do feel that they are superior.

So is this complex similar to one americans have toward the middle east in general, particulary saudi arabia ? Your complete and utter dependence on their natural resources ? Is this what bothers you so about the region, that they have what youi do not, and so desparately need in such abundance ?

:beer:

Actually, we get far more oil from Canada than the ME.

rofl

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: RealityTime

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

I've actually been quite surprised lately with the acusations of Canadians having an inferiority complex.

Such a claim has been around for quite some time.

Canadians have an unnatural obsession with the United States - to such an extent that it ends up with many Canadians lying, spreading false information, and so on. This thread already has several examples. It is hilarious indeed to watch someone label a country a certain way, only to have that very same label be as or more accurate to his own country and then run away!

I suppose many Canadians feel very insecure about being fairly insignificant on the world stage and this is partly the cause of this very well known complex...not to mention their dependence on a single nation for their very existence, as I am sure that many resent such a dependence. However, on the other hand, many Americans apparently do feel that they are superior.

So is this complex similar to one americans have toward the middle east in general, particulary saudi arabia ? Your complete and utter dependence on their natural resources ? Is this what bothers you so about the region, that they have what youi do not, and so desparately need in such abundance ?

:beer:

You obviously have no idea how much Canada is dependent upon the US. About 70-80% of all of Canada's imports and exports is directly linked to the United States. You could find any one substance, resource, or whatever for anything, but it is not anywhere near the level of absolute dependence and necessity for mere existence that Canada has for the United States.

Obviously facts are not a very strong point for you - especially considering that in this very thread you already ran away from those scary facts with a '? babble on' comment. This is fairly common among those Canadians with an inferiority complex.

Thank you for continuing to provide yourself as an example to the gross Canadian inferiority complex.

I fully expect your next comment to be something along the lines of 'Canadians burned down the White House!!!1! Go Canada!', despite the fact that there was not a Canadian at the burning of the White House. Don't let facts get in the way of your arguments though!

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: RealityTime

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

I've actually been quite surprised lately with the acusations of Canadians having an inferiority complex.

Such a claim has been around for quite some time.

Canadians have an unnatural obsession with the United States - to such an extent that it ends up with many Canadians lying, spreading false information, and so on. This thread already has several examples. It is hilarious indeed to watch someone label a country a certain way, only to have that very same label be as or more accurate to his own country and then run away!

I suppose many Canadians feel very insecure about being fairly insignificant on the world stage and this is partly the cause of this very well known complex...not to mention their dependence on a single nation for their very existence, as I am sure that many resent such a dependence. However, on the other hand, many Americans apparently do feel that they are superior.

So is this complex similar to one americans have toward the middle east in general, particulary saudi arabia ? Your complete and utter dependence on their natural resources ? Is this what bothers you so about the region, that they have what youi do not, and so desparately need in such abundance ?

:beer:

Actually, we get far more oil from Canada than the ME.

Well...this statement is wrong. Although i have liked your comments in this thread.
Small correction.
Oil imports

Canada 17%
Saudi Arabia 14.5%
Mexico 13%
Venezuela 11%
Nigeria 7%
Iraq 4%
UK 3.6%
Algeria 3%
Angola 3%
Norway 2.2%
Russia 2%
Kuwait 1.7%
Columbia 1.5%
Ecuador 1%
Gabon 1%

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: RealityTime

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

I've actually been quite surprised lately with the acusations of Canadians having an inferiority complex.

Such a claim has been around for quite some time.

Canadians have an unnatural obsession with the United States - to such an extent that it ends up with many Canadians lying, spreading false information, and so on. This thread already has several examples. It is hilarious indeed to watch someone label a country a certain way, only to have that very same label be as or more accurate to his own country and then run away!

I suppose many Canadians feel very insecure about being fairly insignificant on the world stage and this is partly the cause of this very well known complex...not to mention their dependence on a single nation for their very existence, as I am sure that many resent such a dependence. However, on the other hand, many Americans apparently do feel that they are superior.

So is this complex similar to one americans have toward the middle east in general, particulary saudi arabia ? Your complete and utter dependence on their natural resources ? Is this what bothers you so about the region, that they have what youi do not, and so desparately need in such abundance ?

:beer:

You obviously have no idea how much Canada is dependent upon the US. About 70-80% of all of Canada's imports and exports is directly linked to the United States. You could find any one substance, resource, or whatever for anything, but it is not anywhere near the level of absolute dependence and necessity for mere existence that Canada has for the United States.

Obviously facts are not a very strong point for you - especially considering that in this very thread you already ran away from those scary facts with a '? babble on' comment. This is fairly common among those Canadians with an inferiority complex.

Thank you for continuing to provide yourself as an example to the gross Canadian inferiority complex.

I fully expect your next comment to be something along the lines of 'Canadians burned down the White House!!!1! Go Canada!', despite the fact that there was not a Canadian at the burning of the White House. Don't let facts get in the way of your arguments though!

Lol...you just don't give up...
RabidMongoose = P&amp;N's official broken record.

Tell me something, your last ten posts, did you actually use any other keys than ctrl+c/v ??
Cuz i see you flapping your lips, but the same crap comes out...time and time again.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Lol...you just don't give up...
RabidMongoose = P&amp;N's official broken record.

Tell me something, your last ten posts, did you actually use any other keys than ctrl+c/v ??
Cuz i see you flapping your lips, but the same crap comes out...time and time again.

Stunt = P&amp;N's official nationalistic child rager.

Tell me something, do you still lie and post incorrect facts in most of your posts?

Too bad that telling the truth gets all of the arrogant nationalistic teenage Canadians all angsty. I absolutely love it when uninformed people such as yourself and RealityTime make disparaging comments or labels about the country that you are obsessed over, but when those same comments could be applied to your very own country, you enter into a nationalistic rage. Good going.

BTW, do you still use sources for your own arguments, but refuse to accept those very same sources made in arguments against you? That was fun.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Tell me something, do you still lie and post incorrect facts in most of your posts?

Anything i post here is up for criticism and analysis.
If they are incorrect, i hope someone points it out as it helps my views on the issue and will ensure others do not have the same misperception.

If you see me lie or post anything incorrect, feel free to say so. It is very rare...but i guess i could make you a little message you can copy and paste whenever you see a problem

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Tell me something, do you still lie and post incorrect facts in most of your posts?

Anything i post here is up for criticism and analysis.
If they are incorrect, i hope someone points it out as it helps my views on the issue and will ensure others do not have the same misperception.

If you see me lie or post anything incorrect, feel free to say so. It is very rare...but i guess i could make you a little message you can copy and paste whenever you see a problem

Rare? Hardly. You must not have very high standards at all.

Nice to see you avoid my second question.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: RealityTime

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

I've actually been quite surprised lately with the acusations of Canadians having an inferiority complex.

Such a claim has been around for quite some time.

Canadians have an unnatural obsession with the United States - to such an extent that it ends up with many Canadians lying, spreading false information, and so on. This thread already has several examples. It is hilarious indeed to watch someone label a country a certain way, only to have that very same label be as or more accurate to his own country and then run away!

I suppose many Canadians feel very insecure about being fairly insignificant on the world stage and this is partly the cause of this very well known complex...not to mention their dependence on a single nation for their very existence, as I am sure that many resent such a dependence. However, on the other hand, many Americans apparently do feel that they are superior.

So is this complex similar to one americans have toward the middle east in general, particulary saudi arabia ? Your complete and utter dependence on their natural resources ? Is this what bothers you so about the region, that they have what youi do not, and so desparately need in such abundance ?

:beer:

You obviously have no idea how much Canada is dependent upon the US. About 70-80% of all of Canada's imports and exports is directly linked to the United States. You could find any one substance, resource, or whatever for anything, but it is not anywhere near the level of absolute dependence and necessity for mere existence that Canada has for the United States.

Obviously facts are not a very strong point for you - especially considering that in this very thread you already ran away from those scary facts with a '? babble on' comment. This is fairly common among those Canadians with an inferiority complex.

Thank you for continuing to provide yourself as an example to the gross Canadian inferiority complex.

I fully expect your next comment to be something along the lines of 'Canadians burned down the White House!!!1! Go Canada!', despite the fact that there was not a Canadian at the burning of the White House. Don't let facts get in the way of your arguments though!

Lol...you just don't give up...
RabidMongoose = P&amp;N's official broken record.

Tell me something, your last ten posts, did you actually use any other keys than ctrl+c/v ??
Cuz i see you flapping your lips, but the same crap comes out...time and time again.

Yep. I screwed the pooch on that one. I should have said western hemisphere countries, with Canada leading.

Here's a good website for info on Canadian oil:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/canada.html

 

[RealityTime]

just ignore him, he's a programmed sheep. there is no hope in trying to convince him of the truth. hes an automaton.

 

[RabidMongoose]

So sad to see the blinded fools of nationalism.

I am telling you the truth. You are the one that has repeatedly put up lies and incorrect information.

It's very sad to see that you have been brainwashed by propaganda.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Tell me something, do you still lie and post incorrect facts in most of your posts?

Anything i post here is up for criticism and analysis.
If they are incorrect, i hope someone points it out as it helps my views on the issue and will ensure others do not have the same misperception.

If you see me lie or post anything incorrect, feel free to say so. It is very rare...but i guess i could make you a little message you can copy and paste whenever you see a problem

Rare? Hardly. You must not have very high standards at all.

Nice to see you avoid my second question.

Yes rare. I've made one or two minor errors. One on GDP of california. One on something very insignificant i forget. If you feel the need to point out all these errors, go nuts. You can use your copy and paste keys again :thumbsup:

I've addressed the second questoin before...you arent good with listening...you are more of a copy paste kinda guy.

Ah well, i think you have hijacked this thread long enough...you should show some respect and leave your superiority/jealousy complex be for now.

Take some advice from TLC and quit the highschool arguing.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Yes rare. I've made one or two minor errors. One on GDP of california. One on something very insignificant i forget. If you feel the need to point out all these errors, go nuts. You can use your copy and paste keys again :thumbsup:

I've addressed the second questoin before...you arent good with listening...you are more of a copy paste kinda guy.

Ah well, i think you have hijacked this thread long enough...you should show some respect and leave your superiority/jealousy complex be for now.

Take some advice from TLC and quit the highschool arguing.

You must not have very high standards if you think your mistakes and incorrect facts are rare. Oh well, I suppose those with a massive inferiority complex are not supposed to have high standards.

I suggest that you stop with your trolling.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Stunt
Yes rare. I've made one or two minor errors. One on GDP of california. One on something very insignificant i forget. If you feel the need to point out all these errors, go nuts. You can use your copy and paste keys again :thumbsup:

I've addressed the second questoin before...you arent good with listening...you are more of a copy paste kinda guy.

Ah well, i think you have hijacked this thread long enough...you should show some respect and leave your superiority/jealousy complex be for now.

Take some advice from TLC and quit the highschool arguing.

You must not have very high standards if you think your mistakes and incorrect facts are rare. Oh well, I suppose those with a massive inferiority complex are not supposed to have high standards.

I suggest that you stop with your trolling.

*CTRL V*