Banned from Nvidia Forums by Chris Ray (Update: Situation Resolved, Mistaken Identity)

[Creig]

Originally posted by: ChrisRay
I would like to point out. That the "AEG" you all are referring too. No longer exists. As a matter of fact. I have been working directly with Nvidia for about a year now. AEG has been gone for a long time. Working directly with Nvidia has been far more rewarding because it has allowed me to help users on the slizone forums. Which I devote a tremendous amount of resources too. Gives me now direct access to the driver team for feedback and bug reporting. As well as all the channels I need to get questions answered for people who are having problems quickly.

Chris

The whole AEG/Nvidia relationship was kept in total secrecy from anyone outside of either company. And during this time, we had Rollo over here promoting Nvidia products and downplaying ATI like his life depended on it. All the while collecting free Nvidia hardware which he denied receiving until AFTER the story broke. Unfortunately, there's no way for us to know whether or not Nvidia has quit with the viral marketing, contracted with a different company or is simply doing it in-house now.

Seeing Nvidia set someone like Rollo (who has been permanently banned from four separate website forums) as a MODERATOR of the Nvidia forums is NOT very reassuring, let me tell you. I can only assume that Nvidia has given him this honor for what they feel is a job well done for the sales pitch he provided over here and at other forums.

Whoever chose Rollo for Moderator needs to work a bit harder on their sense of ethics.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: Dean

Originally posted by: terpsy
C'mon everyone...

This is not a forum to attack Chris, I had the most reason at the current time to be upset, but I still didn't attack him...

Look, the frustration is with Nvidia, and their dis-respect (that is what it feels like) to those of us with the 8800 and Vista (which, should have been thought to be high percentage) as normally enthusiasts are the driving sales for this card, and being as such, we are more than proportianately registered in MSDN.

So, please, no atacks at Chris from prior posting or future posting. Let's work on Nvidia to acknowledge it's CLIENT base....

Warren

They were more than willing to tarnish your name over nothing more than mistaken geographical location. If this guy is willing to ban people for such concocted evidence, he should not even have a ban button. I don't know the guy, but he appears to be a well known member of the video card community and frankly should have known better.

It was an innocent mistake, he corrected the matter, and even apologized.

Things like these happen quite frequently on various boards. You just don't hear the banned member going to several other boards to complain about it. Usually they handle it directly with the mod, as this should have been done, terpsy. Because then you would have still solved the issue without creating off-topic comments to the board subject, here and at Hardforums.

Nelsieus

 

[nullpointerus]

Anatomy of a Disaster

Originally posted by: terpsy
I, as many others, have legitimate copies of Vista through MSDN as well as being beta testers for Microsoft. This is not my first Beta Test, nor will it be my last.

MSDN OS licenses are for developers who need advance access to the RTM to prepare their software for official retail launch. That's why they call it a developer network. So your premise is faulty, and the rest of your post falls.

I stated that in my opinion, the fact of having no driver for the 8800 series and Vista leads me to believe that there is a SERIOUS problem going on in writing the driver. It has been RTM for about 2 months now, and not even a Beta driver. I stated that we may find out that you will need to purchase the revision hardware, as the launch hardware is not fully DX10 compatible or may need to change for the driver and Vista to work correctly.

Technically, we may find out tomorrow that scientists have accidentally set loose a super virus against which we have no defense and no hope of curing. Possible? Yes. Probable? No, exactly the opposite. You may not have done anything wrong in your posting, but this making kind of wild speculation in the absence of facts is just irresponsible and stupid.

I also stated that I did not purchase the 8800 so that I can have a few more FPS in XP.
I bought this card for the same reason I feel everyone else has, to get full use and speed
In Vista.

Marketing of the "Vista Ready" kind only suckers people who are already desperate to believe something. Unethical? Yes, but also partially your own fault. When you see a vague term like that, which could mean any of five completely different things just off the top of my head, you just made something up and spent a great deal of money for it. Reading about the hardware before buying would have revealed that a) Vista has a DX9 performance hit necessary because of the way the OS itself is designed and b) there are no DX10 games out yet. So there's no evidence to support the conclusion upon which you based your purchase.

If all I wanted was XP performance, an ATI X1950 or 7900 Series GPU would have been just fine.

Your choice, your problem.

Note: I hate marketing speech and have fallen into this trap myself.

There are Drivers for every ATI card as well as all PREVIOUS NVidia GPU?s for Vista,
Why not for the card that was SUPPOSEDLY built for Vista? What is the big secret that
Is being hidden from the public, as well as the review sites? I already know the card is purchased is 10% cheaper, and may turn out to be the Next Voodoo5 series.

QA

Obviously, the hardware is different enough that nVidia has split their XP unified drivers into G80 and pre-G80 variants. Porting an existing, reasonably stable pre-G80 driver to Vista took lots of time. Why shouldn't simultaneously creating/learning new Vista driver models take the G80 driver team right up until official launch? If I ran nVidia, I'd rather have an on-time launch than have an early launch that could blow up in my face.

Then again, maybe nVidia will have a pleasant surprise for Vista users. We're just speculating here, right?

In the past, NVidia was known for being just a tad worse than ATI in desktop graphics, but the driver support could not be beat. Over the past couple of years, this has changed. And in my opinion, ATI is far more concerned about their drivers, and are constantly working to improve them. That was the main reason I had stuck with Nvidia through the years. But after this latest situation, I am appalled at the actions and non-communication from NVidia on their flagship card.

I totally agree with this paragraph except for the last statement. nVidia owes nothing for an operating system that has not been officially released to the general public.

What is the big surprise on Jan 30th, that we have all invested in a card that runs Aero, but ends there? The performance is beaten by the ATI X1900 series and 7900 GPU?s in Vista? When someone has nothing to hide, they communicate and have Beta drivers available. Why the BIG curtain on the 8800 series and Vista? I must have the most expensive VGA display for Vista (of course, only beaten by those with 8800GTX SLI setups).

Perhaps the beta driver has serious problems. Who knows? But basing your argument on your admitted lack of knowledge about the driver development process is folly.

This was Chris Ray?s Private Message on the Nvidia Forums to me?

You have a new personal message from ChrisRay
Stop returning to the forums.
Stop coming back to these forums. You are not welcome on them.

ChrisRay is a member of the Moderators group and has 910 posts.


Thanks Chris, I see where Nvidia is heading currently, and look forward to
The AMD-ATI offering for my future endeavors?

No surprise there. Mods vent by cracking down hard on people, occasionally without just cause. But Chris's behavior is still inexcusable, and I must commend you for restraining your emotions (if not your speculation).

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus


It was an innocent mistake, he corrected the matter, and even apologized.

Things like these happen quite frequently on various boards. You just don't hear the banned member going to several other boards to complain about it. Usually they handle it directly with the mod, as this should have been done, terpsy. Because then you would have still solved the issue without creating off-topic comments to the board subject, here and at Hardforums.

Nelsieus

He was publicly lambasted on the Nvidia forums by Chris Ray and others as an impostor and got his account banned. I am not 100% sure he would have gotten his due process if he had not taken his case elsewhere. I do give some credit to Chris Ray for at least eating some crow and acknowledging his mistake, but the mistake should not have happened.

If Chris Ray suspected Terpsy, he should have just disabled his account and contacted Terpsy privately to gather more information as it appears the information he had was shoddy in the first place.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ChrisRay
Alright. After further review. His ISP carrier is incorrectly reporting its location to me. The IP is coincidently is coming from the same spot as the other user which is apparently an unfortunate coincidence. But this is definately an error with the software as Terpsy isnt from Kansas.

So I apologize for mistaking him for the user due to the way our software was resolving the IPs. Had he not verified his location to me then I would never have been able to make this verification. When adding this up and his obvious long time posting at anandtech it certainly makes no sense for him to damage his credibility like that. I have restored his posting rights on the nzone forums.

And here I go. I know some of you will enjoy this.

I'm Sorry.



Chris

Yes ... yes i really did enjoy this and i have gained respect for you.
:thumbsup:
[i had 'no opinion' previously]

and thanks for the info on AEG ... i don't think they fulfilled "their end" really well for nvidia ... nvidia DID say they were taking their viral marketing 'in house'

 

[Gamingphreek]

Look, the frustration is with Nvidia, and their dis-respect (that is what it feels like) to those of us with the 8800 and Vista (which, should have been thought to be high percentage) as normally enthusiasts are the driving sales for this card, and being as such, we are more than proportianately registered in MSDN.

Read each word carefully

Has Vista been released to the public? NO

Therefore whatever "disrespect" you feel merely you causing problems. If you want to run a BETA version of Vista then get another card. Nvidia is in no way obligated to provide drivers for a Pre-Release OS.

Now, stop whining and complaining to us here. You got your problem worked out, which I am happy for, but you are now acting like someone just stole something from you. Stop being so impatient, grow up and deal with it. Whining to us isn't going to make the drivers OR Vista come out any faster.

-Kevin

Edit: Also you are posting and were banned from an Online Tech Forum. The way you are demanding apologies and throwing out the terms "serious allegations" you would think you were just fired from a job for sexual harassment. He apologized, if you are so ungrateful and pompous that you continue to berate him with this nonsense I hope he bans you again. Its an Internet forum, yes I enjoy posting on it, but a mistake is not the end of the world

 

[terpsy]

No, I am not berating Chris is any way shape or form

As well as, I have not been banned on any forums.

Perhaps you missed Chris saying it wasn't me who did the postings and
was banned from the other forums.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Interesting Topic. I don't want to get into NV vs. ATI type debate. I did notice however that Vista not being released yet has been used as an excuse.

I haven't checked this out. But its my understanding that Vista has been released to the OEM market .

Is this true or not?

If it is infact true the op has voiced a legit complaint. Or aren't OEM offerring the NV 8800 series in their high end PC's?

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Look, the frustration is with Nvidia, and their dis-respect (that is what it feels like) to those of us with the 8800 and Vista (which, should have been thought to be high percentage) as normally enthusiasts are the driving sales for this card, and being as such, we are more than proportianately registered in MSDN.

Read each word carefully

Has Vista been released to the public? NO

Therefore whatever "disrespect" you feel merely you causing problems. If you want to run a BETA version of Vista then get another card. Nvidia is in no way obligated to provide drivers for a Pre-Release OS.

Now, stop whining and complaining to us here. You got your problem worked out, which I am happy for, but you are now acting like someone just stole something from you. Stop being so impatient, grow up and deal with it. Whining to us isn't going to make the drivers OR Vista come out any faster.

-Kevin

Edit: Also you are posting and were banned from an Online Tech Forum. The way you are demanding apologies and throwing out the terms "serious allegations" you would think you were just fired from a job for sexual harassment. He apologized, if you are so ungrateful and pompous that you continue to berate him with this nonsense I hope he bans you again. Its an Internet forum, yes I enjoy posting on it, but a mistake is not the end of the world

I have a Legit Copy of Vista 8-in-1 and have had since Late November.

Your buddy Chris Ray acted poorly and showed a total lack of maturity, and responsibility by not taking five minutes, to run a third party Whois/Trace Route. He seems to be ban happy, and does not take criticism well in any of the hundreds of threads that I have read over the years.

Using excuses that the forum software, was not resolving IP's correctly was a very lame excuse, with the amount of third party stuff out there that will do it quickly and properly.

And if that is the case, with the software what is being done to resolve the issue, so that the issue does not repeat ?

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: ChrisRay
I would like to point out. That the "AEG" you all are referring too. No longer exists. As a matter of fact. I have been working directly with Nvidia for about a year now. AEG has been gone for a long time. Working directly with Nvidia has been far more rewarding because it has allowed me to help users on the slizone forums. Which I devote a tremendous amount of resources too. Gives me now direct access to the driver team for feedback and bug reporting. As well as all the channels I need to get questions answered for people who are having problems quickly.

Chris

Keep up the good work Chris and don't waste your time here man. Too much trolling going on without any control whatsoever. See you around dude...

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Look, the frustration is with Nvidia, and their dis-respect (that is what it feels like) to those of us with the 8800 and Vista (which, should have been thought to be high percentage) as normally enthusiasts are the driving sales for this card, and being as such, we are more than proportianately registered in MSDN.

Read each word carefully

Has Vista been released to the public? NO

Therefore whatever "disrespect" you feel merely you causing problems. If you want to run a BETA version of Vista then get another card. Nvidia is in no way obligated to provide drivers for a Pre-Release OS.

Now, stop whining and complaining to us here. You got your problem worked out, which I am happy for, but you are now acting like someone just stole something from you. Stop being so impatient, grow up and deal with it. Whining to us isn't going to make the drivers OR Vista come out any faster.

-Kevin

Edit: Also you are posting and were banned from an Online Tech Forum. The way you are demanding apologies and throwing out the terms "serious allegations" you would think you were just fired from a job for sexual harassment. He apologized, if you are so ungrateful and pompous that you continue to berate him with this nonsense I hope he bans you again. Its an Internet forum, yes I enjoy posting on it, but a mistake is not the end of the world

I have a Legit Copy of Vista 8-in-1 and have had since Late November.

Your buddy Chris Ray acted poorly and showed a total lack of maturity, and responsibility by not taking five minutes, to run a third party Whois/Trace Route. He seems to be ban happy, and does not take criticism well in any of the hundreds of threads that I have read over the years.

Using excuses that the forum software, was not resolving IP's correctly was a very lame excuse, with the amount of third party stuff out there that will do it quickly and properly.

And if that is the case, with the software what is being done to resolve the issue, so that the issue does not repeat ?

You have a full retail copy of Vista? NO. You have either a RC or a Beta, or a Developer Beta.

Chris isn't my buddy. I have never even heard of him before this. The fact remains. He is a moderator in the forum, and at the time the information was conclusive enough to ban the OP. He had no reason to suspect that the forum software was malfunctioning. When he found that it was he apologized for what happened and reinstated the OP. IT IS AN ONLINE FORUM!!! What else do you want the guy to do, pay you for damaging personal image!!?

No, I am not berating Chris is any way shape or form

As well as, I have not been banned on any forums.

Perhaps you missed Chris saying it wasn't me who did the postings and
was banned from the other forums

Did you even read my post. Of course I read that he made a mistake.

Additionally you are berating him. You continue to demand apology or push the drivers issue. Let it go, we have explained that Nvidia has no obligation to provide beta drivers for an unreleased beta OS. Would it be nice, Yes. Is it imperative that it happen, absolutely not.

-Kevin

 

[Nemesis 1]

I just did a quik check and it would seem that OEM's haven't released Vista as of now.

I find this rather strange since Vista retail is coming very soon . I also found it strange that Dell isn't offering NV 8800 series of gpu's yet. Normally OEM'S release GPU's in their high end right away.
There may very well be a problem here as Dell won't release the nv8800 series until there are vista drivers available.
So my question is this . Is the NV 8800 series truely unified drivers . Or did nv just say they were?

Here is the latest Crysis trailer using the NV 8800 its suppose to be DX10 . It think the graphics are horriable . The pyhsics are cool however.

http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=32213

 

[450R]

Originally posted by: ChrisRay
I would like to point out. That the "AEG" you all are referring too. No longer exists. As a matter of fact. I have been working directly with Nvidia for about a year now. AEG has been gone for a long time. Working directly with Nvidia has been far more rewarding because it has allowed me to help users on the slizone forums. Which I devote a tremendous amount of resources too. Gives me now direct access to the driver team for feedback and bug reporting. As well as all the channels I need to get questions answered for people who are having problems quickly.

I would. Just like to. Announce my love. For periods. I cannot get enough of the. Sentence ends. It is. Fantastic. If William Shatner. Ever. Went on the. Internet. This is. How. He would type.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I just did a quik check and it would seem that OEM's haven't released Vista as of now.

I find this rather strange since Vista retail is coming very soon . I also found it strange that Dell isn't offering NV 8800 series of gpu's yet. Normally OEM'S release GPU's in their high end right away.
There may very well be a problem here as Dell won't release the nv8800 series until there are vista drivers available.
So my question is this . Is the NV 8800 series truely unified drivers . Or did nv just say they were?

You're making a lot assumptions...slow down

OEMs, from my understanding, will not release Vista until it's release to consumers on Jan. 30.

I'm not sure why Dell hasn't offered G8800 it yet, but many other system builders have, like Alienware (owned by Dell), Falcon, Aeon, etc.

And I don't have any reason right now to believe the drivers aren't unified.

Nelsieus

 

[ronnn]

So Nvidia has just hired their ex Aeg focus group members. Some focus group! Now we have ex-focus group members posting big time on B3D, wonder if they are on direct pay roll now? This crap will kill any integrity of these sites.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: terpsy
There are Drivers for every ATI card as well as all PREVIOUS NVidia GPU?s for Vista,
Why not for the card that was SUPPOSEDLY built for Vista?

all of which runs and use DX9 portion of dxdriver in vista, not DX10 ..

If there is going to be problems, it would more likely be on Microsoft's side.. maybe there isstill problem w. dx10 ? perhaps that is why no other DX10 cards are being released?
a bug in DX10 that still needs to be patched by MS? we'll just have to wait.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

You have a full retail copy of Vista? NO. You have either a RC or a Beta, or a Developer Beta.

My Copy is a Corporate 8 in 1.

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Chris isn't my buddy. I have never even heard of him before this. The fact remains. He is a moderator in the forum, and at the time the information was conclusive enough to ban the OP. He had no reason to suspect that the forum software was malfunctioning. When he found that it was he apologized for what happened and reinstated the OP. IT IS AN ONLINE FORUM!!! What else do you want the guy to do, pay you for damaging personal image!!?


-Kevin

By the vigor that you defended his actions shows that you are defending him without investigating any of the background. If you in fact don't know him ... why would you defend him blindly ?


And to claim that you do not know who Chris Ray is after your extensive posts in the AEG/Rollo threads, is really a stretch.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Read the thread I linked carefully avalon. According to what ChrisRay has told us in his post above, terpsi is the "person" who has been impersonating ChrisRay on multiple forums, trying to blacken nvidia's name (amongst other "endeavours").

EDIT: linked wrong thread by accident Text

Don't tell me what to do. I know how to read. YOU linked me the wrong thread. YOUR fault, not mine.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: ronnn
So Nvidia has just hired their ex Aeg focus group members. Some focus group! Now we have ex-focus group members posting big time on B3D, wonder if they are on direct pay roll now? This crap will kill any integrity of these sites.

If you haven't noticed, there's plenty of fanATIcs out there too. Even if they're not working for someone or getting paid, a troll is a troll.

Nelsieus

 

[evolucion8]

Well, the main purpose of Beta and Release Candidates is for testing, and needs hardware support to test it properly, but it must be done with proven hardware like X1900 for example. The 8800GTX is just too new and nobody with a good common sense is gonna get brand new hardware to test it, it is just a child. I tested Windows Vista RTM and is outstanding, but it has issues, my computer would freeze when I play Half Life 2: Episode 1, no VIVO driver support, no Open GL support, WinDVD would not recognize that the PC has DX10 and want to install DX9 february, and even I cannot activate it, all that happened with my old but proven X800XT PE, could you imagine if at this stage nVidia releases an unmatured driver to an unmatured architecture?? After all I heard that releasing a driver using the WDDM in Vista is quite a hard task. Correct me If I'm wrong in anything I just said.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: ronnn
So Nvidia has just hired their ex Aeg focus group members. Some focus group! Now we have ex-focus group members posting big time on B3D, wonder if they are on direct pay roll now? This crap will kill any integrity of these sites.

If you haven't noticed, there's plenty of fanATIcs out there too. Even if they're not working for someone or getting paid, a troll is a troll.

Nelsieus

yes we noticed ... and you are quite right about the last part .. that is obvious.

What's good is that ChrisRay is 'transparent' ... now ... he is proud to reveal his connection with nvidia ... that's how it should be ... no 'hidden' moles.

and i'll say it again ... ANYone can make a mistake ... even out mods do
:Q

and the burden of proof is usually on the accused - on all forums ... now that his 'research' is done ... it takes a 'man' to admit a mistake ... publicly on ourforum.
:thumbsup:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

You have a full retail copy of Vista? NO. You have either a RC or a Beta, or a Developer Beta.

My Copy is a Corporate 8 in 1.

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Chris isn't my buddy. I have never even heard of him before this. The fact remains. He is a moderator in the forum, and at the time the information was conclusive enough to ban the OP. He had no reason to suspect that the forum software was malfunctioning. When he found that it was he apologized for what happened and reinstated the OP. IT IS AN ONLINE FORUM!!! What else do you want the guy to do, pay you for damaging personal image!!?


-Kevin

By the vigor that you defended his actions shows that you are defending him without investigating any of the background. If you in fact don't know him ... why would you defend him blindly ?


And to claim that you do not know who Chris Ray is after your extensive posts in the AEG/Rollo threads, is really a stretch.

I have never heard of Chris Ray before. If I have it was very brief. These forums are not my life, I don't remember everything that ever happened, but I don't remember ever hearing about Chris Ray.

Additionally, Corporate Editions were not released in November. If you have a corporate edition it is not a final release. Corporate, OEM, Enterprise editions were released towards the end of December and early this Month.

-Kevin

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Originally posted by: Zstream
Don't worry about it, ChrisRay is a paid viral piece of scum.

You mean he is one of those people who used to work, err I mean post, in this forum about how great nVidia was?

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
Vista is not yet released. I repeat, Vista is not yet released. Just because some niche market got their hands on a few copies does not make it an actual product.

Yes, it IS released. nVidia has been able to have prod copies for a month now. I have a copy of GA Ultimate and Home Premium. nVidia was able to get it before I was. Can you buy it at Newegg? No, but it is released.

By your standard, the PS/3 is not released because you cannot get one at Best Buy...

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

You have a full retail copy of Vista? NO. You have either a RC or a Beta, or a Developer Beta.

My Copy is a Corporate 8 in 1.

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Chris isn't my buddy. I have never even heard of him before this. The fact remains. He is a moderator in the forum, and at the time the information was conclusive enough to ban the OP. He had no reason to suspect that the forum software was malfunctioning. When he found that it was he apologized for what happened and reinstated the OP. IT IS AN ONLINE FORUM!!! What else do you want the guy to do, pay you for damaging personal image!!?


-Kevin

By the vigor that you defended his actions shows that you are defending him without investigating any of the background. If you in fact don't know him ... why would you defend him blindly ?


And to claim that you do not know who Chris Ray is after your extensive posts in the AEG/Rollo threads, is really a stretch.

I have never heard of Chris Ray before. If I have it was very brief. These forums are not my life, I don't remember everything that ever happened, but I don't remember ever hearing about Chris Ray.

Additionally, Corporate Editions were not released in November. If you have a corporate edition it is not a final release. Corporate, OEM, Enterprise editions were released towards the end of December and early this Month.

-Kevin

Guess again... Mine is a Corporate Copy...handed to me by my MS Rep. for attending a trot out meeting, and is a full version... It has All Four Flavors, and both 32 Bit and 64 bit.. it also has Basic on it.