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[InflatableBuddha]

Since you conveniently ignored my well-constructed post, I'll spell it out for you again.

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Decriminalizing it will not do anything about abuse. If you abuse something, you are going to continue abusing it regardless of whether or not it is legal or illegal - you aren't suddenly going to decide to "get help".

By decriminalizing, you INCREASE the availability of treatment for abusers. They no longer feel stigmatized and they are more likely to seek treatment. They are less likely to hide their behaviour if there are no repercussions to fear from simple use or possession.

Additionally, the problem then becomes, the people who didn't use it because it was illegal, but would in the event it is legalized.

Horseshit. More people use a substance when it is illegal simply for the thrill (underage drinking anyone?). The people who use when a substance is illegal will continue to use if it is legal. The legal status of the substance does nothing to change their desire to consume it.

By legalizing a substance, you remove the "thrill". A few people may experiment who wouldn't have before, but they are more likely to use than abuse.

Furthermore, with Nyquil (or whatever ingestible medicine you want to use) you are drinking it. With Marijuana, you are smoking it. With Marijuana, the people around you also inhale it whether they want to or not.

I'm in favour of treating marijuana the same as smoking. You shouldn't be exposed to second-hand smoke unless you so choose.

Finally, in the incidents I have dealt with, I can say, that from my experience it was detrimental to my health. I have asthma and was doubled over coughing when I got back to my room after dealing with the incident. Furthermore, I felt sick to my stomach the rest of the night.... I was fine before the incident.

As for people not noticing, I'm not sure how you can't notice the smell of it? It is like a million different combinations of garbage all burning at once - disgusting.

-Kevin

Again, many people dislike second-hand smoke and/or have health issues regarding it, and I agree that is a problem. So don't put yourself in that situation.

Personally, I dislike second-hand cigarette smoke because of the health consequences, but I actually don't mind second-hand MJ smoke. It's fairly pleasant and inoffensive. For the record, I have only smoked marijuana on a couple of occasions and it wasn't a big deal.

 

[Dragula22]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
I find it comical that some idiots get all excited about decriminalization. Decriminalization seem to me like a good idea in terms of not wasting tons of resources, crowding jails, reducing crime associated with trafficking etc, but none of that changes the fact that using the stuff is still stupid. I don't want society wasting it's time trying to prevent people from ingesting something, but there's no reason to get all excited about it unless you're one of the morons who use.

If usage goes down, crime goes down.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Decriminalizing it will not do anything about abuse. If you abuse something, you are going to continue abusing it regardless of whether or not it is legal or illegal - you aren't suddenly going to decide to "get help".

Sorry, but this couldn't be any more wrong. I can guarantee you I've known more drug addicts than you, and I've personally helped them get clean. Addicts aren't unaware of what's happening to them as their life spirals downwards, and many of them do want to put a stop to it once and for all, rather than just get their fix to get them through another day. They DO decide that they want to get help.
If you don't know what you're talking about, it's probably best to keep your mouth shut.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

It seems about as outrageous to argue that a black man would rape a white woman as it is to say people completly "lose" themselves while high. You just don't know.

But I just gave an example of my knowledge of that:

Given that I have dealt with the people before and after they smoked, I can honestly say they were 100% different. To say they were "spaced out" is an understatement.

-Kevin

Have you smoked weed? Your statement of having "dealt" with a few people doesn't quantify or qualify your experience in a way that gives you any kind of authority in the matter.

Dude, seriously, if someone rips on a bong all night, they're going to be wasted. They'll probably fall asleep on the couch. THIS is why the same laws should apply to weed as drinking. Don't get stoned and drive.

Dude, seriously, if someone drinks NyQuil all night, they're going to be wasted. They'll probably fall asleep on the couch. THIS is why the same laws should apply to NyQuil as drinking. Don't get Nyquil'd and drive.

Would you narc on someone sipping NyQuil because they needed to relax and had a headache?

Sitting in your home, smoking a joint to relax, that's a totally different thing than smoking as much weed as possible until you pass out (that's abuse). I've been out and about while "high" many times, and nobody knows. Many people that are close to me have no idea I smoke. I don't even smoke much any more, but my moderate use in the past has never made it obvious to anybody that I was on the influence of anything.

As in I have had to talk to them and tell them to knock off whatever they were doing in there room at one point in the night. When I was called back later in the night, after they had been smoking, they were listless and everything seemed to be blanked out.

Dude, seriously, if someone rips on a bong all night, they're going to be wasted. They'll probably fall asleep on the couch. THIS is why the same laws should apply to weed as drinking. Don't get stoned and drive.

Dude, seriously, if someone drinks NyQuil all night, they're going to be wasted. They'll probably fall asleep on the couch. THIS is why the same laws should apply to NyQuil as drinking. Don't get Nyquil'd and drive.

Would you narc on someone sipping NyQuil because they needed to relax and had a headache?

Decriminalizing it will not do anything about abuse. If you abuse something, you are going to continue abusing it regardless of whether or not it is legal or illegal - you aren't suddenly going to decide to "get help".

Additionally, the problem then becomes, the people who didn't use it because it was illegal, but would in the event it is legalized.

Furthermore, with Nyquil (or whatever ingestible medicine you want to use) you are drinking it. With Marijuana, you are smoking it. With Marijuana, the people around you also inhale it whether they want to or not.

Finally, in the incidents I have dealt with, I can say, that from my experience it was detrimental to my health. I have asthma and was doubled over coughing when I got back to my room after dealing with the incident. Furthermore, I felt sick to my stomach the rest of the night.... I was fine before the incident.

As for people not noticing, I'm not sure how you can't notice the smell of it? It is like a million different combinations of garbage all burning at once - disgusting.

-Kevin

You are incredibly misinformed and dillusional, about this subject. What are we arguing here anyway? I don't think you should be subjected to MJ smoke. I HATE secondhand cigarrette smoke and LOVE that Illinois banned smoking in public places. (i live in illinois). I've actually "exchanged words" with people at bars because their cigarrette smoke was going right into my face. But it was anger due to them being inconsiderate.

However, what people do at home, is their personal business. If somebody wants to smoke some weed in their dorm, you should let them. If their smoke is bleeding into your room and making you sick, you should talk to them about it, and be a man. Not be a douchebag narc and get them in trouble with the law.

Anyways. Legalize it. If you disagree with the legalization of MJ, then you agree by default that Alcohol and Cigarrettes should be illegal. People will try and argue against this statement, and it fails every time. There's no logic that can state MJ should be illegal while the other 2, more dangerous drugs are perfectly legal and regulated.

Of all three, (mj, alcohol, tobacco), MJ should be the first legalized.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Decriminalizing it will not do anything about abuse. If you abuse something, you are going to continue abusing it regardless of whether or not it is legal or illegal - you aren't suddenly going to decide to "get help".

Sorry, but this couldn't be any more wrong. I can guarantee you I've known more drug addicts than you, and I've personally helped them get clean. Addicts aren't unaware of what's happening to them as their life spirals downwards, and many of them do want to put a stop to it once and for all, rather than just get their fix to get them through another day. They DO decide that they want to get help.
If you don't know what you're talking about, it's probably best to keep your mouth shut.

Great Post. I'll add that there is a huge difference between "addicts" and casual stoners. Addicts come in all forms. They can be addicted to coke, alcohol, gambling, porn, sex, caffience, nicotine, etc.

If pot were legal, you might see a short term spike in usage, but you would also see more regulated weed being smoked, which it would be cleaner, safer, more potent, and more likely smoked less, and possibly with better smoking tools (vaporizer?). Not to mention, the money would be going into the government's hands, not the cartels. We could then use that money to educate kids better about drugs, offer treatment to people with abuse problems, and quick ruining peoples lives by throwing them in jail for something no less criminal than smoking a cigarrette or having a fricking beer.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I just want to add, that if MJ was legal, and the price of KB went down, I WOULD EAT THAT SHIT ON MY SALADS, right along with croutons and shredded cheese.

KB is damn tasty as a food.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I just want to add, that if MJ was legal, and the price of KB went down, I WOULD EAT THAT SHIT ON MY SALADS, right along with croutons and shredded cheese.

KB is damn tasty as a food.

kb? kind butter?

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I just want to add, that if MJ was legal, and the price of KB went down, I WOULD EAT THAT SHIT ON MY SALADS, right along with croutons and shredded cheese.

KB is damn tasty as a food.

kb? kind butter?

B = bud

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I just want to add, that if MJ was legal, and the price of KB went down, I WOULD EAT THAT SHIT ON MY SALADS, right along with croutons and shredded cheese.

KB is damn tasty as a food.

kb? kind butter?

B = bud

yea, im talking about eating the bud, straight. like picking grapes off a tree and eating them, picking buds off the tree and eating them. soooo good.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I just want to add, that if MJ was legal, and the price of KB went down, I WOULD EAT THAT SHIT ON MY SALADS, right along with croutons and shredded cheese.

KB is damn tasty as a food.

kb? kind butter?

B = bud

uh, eating raw buds is disgusting. My gf had a short phase where she ate raw hash to help out her back.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Maybe Portugal's population has decreased 10% in the last 8 years as well, and thus percentage of the population using drugs is unchanged.

But perhaps the news agency is looking for data to support their pro-drug leanings and so chose to report a decrease that wasn't really a decrease.

So the report is meaningless until you know more details.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
I find it comical that some idiots get all excited about decriminalization. Decriminalization seem to me like a good idea in terms of not wasting tons of resources, crowding jails, reducing crime associated with trafficking etc, but none of that changes the fact that using the stuff is still stupid. I don't want society wasting it's time trying to prevent people from ingesting something, but there's no reason to get all excited about it unless you're one of the morons who use.

For everyone's reference, pokerguy is a conservative (this should explain his dumb post)

 

[Dumac]

The War on Drugs is retarded. The government has more important things to worry and spend time about that catching the evil druggies. I don't use any drugs, excluding things like Advil for headaches and whenever I am prescribed antibiotics and such, but I have to agree that the way the law cracks down on drug users in uncalled for.

60% of state prisoners serving time for drug offense have no history of violence. Four out of five drug arrests were for drug possession, rather than sales. What does this accomplish? Do these people really belong in prison?

 

[Gand1]

Finally, in the incidents I have dealt with, I can say, that from my experience it was detrimental to my health. I have asthma and was doubled over coughing when I got back to my room after dealing with the incident. Furthermore, I felt sick to my stomach the rest of the night.... I was fine before the incident.

As for people not noticing, I'm not sure how you can't notice the smell of it? It is like a million different combinations of garbage all burning at once - disgusting.

-Kevin


If this part is true...then they werent smoking MJ. I have never known a single person who liked or disliked the substance to ever have that reaction. Especially the sick to your stomach. Sorry.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Gand1
Finally, in the incidents I have dealt with, I can say, that from my experience it was detrimental to my health. I have asthma and was doubled over coughing when I got back to my room after dealing with the incident. Furthermore, I felt sick to my stomach the rest of the night.... I was fine before the incident.

As for people not noticing, I'm not sure how you can't notice the smell of it? It is like a million different combinations of garbage all burning at once - disgusting.

-Kevin


If this part is true...then they werent smoking MJ. I have never known a single person who liked or disliked the substance to ever have that reaction. Especially the sick to your stomach. Sorry.

Yea GP sounds like he's had some kind of traumatic past with MJ, like an abusive parent smoked it or something.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Gand1
Finally, in the incidents I have dealt with, I can say, that from my experience it was detrimental to my health. I have asthma and was doubled over coughing when I got back to my room after dealing with the incident. Furthermore, I felt sick to my stomach the rest of the night.... I was fine before the incident.

As for people not noticing, I'm not sure how you can't notice the smell of it? It is like a million different combinations of garbage all burning at once - disgusting.

-Kevin


If this part is true...then they werent smoking MJ. I have never known a single person who liked or disliked the substance to ever have that reaction. Especially the sick to your stomach. Sorry.

Potentially psychosomatic.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Gand1
Finally, in the incidents I have dealt with, I can say, that from my experience it was detrimental to my health. I have asthma and was doubled over coughing when I got back to my room after dealing with the incident. Furthermore, I felt sick to my stomach the rest of the night.... I was fine before the incident.

As for people not noticing, I'm not sure how you can't notice the smell of it? It is like a million different combinations of garbage all burning at once - disgusting.

-Kevin


If this part is true...then they werent smoking MJ. I have never known a single person who liked or disliked the substance to ever have that reaction. Especially the sick to your stomach. Sorry.

nah, I've seen it happen. Usually to noobs or people who smoke too much.

 

[Gamingphreek]

What are we arguing here anyway?

Haha a whole lot of stuff 😛 ...

However, what people do at home, is their personal business. If somebody wants to smoke some weed in their dorm, you should let them. If their smoke is bleeding into your room and making you sick, you should talk to them about it, and be a man. Not be a douchebag narc and get them in trouble with the law.

So that apology from earlier really had no weight to it. Real cool.

Yes what people do at their home is there business, but that doesn't mean they can kill, rape, and abuse inside their home does it? Sorry if something is illegal outside the home, regardless of your feelings, it is illegal INSIDE the home.

That is NOT their dorm room. Being a man does not mean breaking the law to cover something up. Regardless of how you feel about it, right now, it IS the law. Not only that it is a School Rule as well.

Do not lecture me on how to do my job - I perform it to the best of my ability every day that I am there. Being a man in no way constitutes allowing someone to get away with breaking the law and just laying down and dealing with it.

Anyways. Legalize it. If you disagree with the legalization of MJ, then you agree by default that Alcohol and Cigarrettes should be illegal. People will try and argue against this statement, and it fails every time. There's no logic that can state MJ should be illegal while the other 2, more dangerous drugs are perfectly legal and regulated.

You wouldn't hear a complaint at all if cigarettes were banned. They don't do any good for anyone - I can't figure out why new people continue to pick up the habit.

As for alcohol, again, you read what I wrote earlier - I don't drink much to begin with so it wouldn't really bother me. At the same time, given prohibition, I don't think alcohol would ever be banned again 😉

Sorry, but this couldn't be any more wrong. I can guarantee you I've known more drug addicts than you, and I've personally helped them get clean. Addicts aren't unaware of what's happening to them as their life spirals downwards, and many of them do want to put a stop to it once and for all, rather than just get their fix to get them through another day. They DO decide that they want to get help.
If you don't know what you're talking about, it's probably best to keep your mouth shut.

So because you have met some people who want to get clean, you are now expanding that to say that a majority of addicts would get help if they wouldn't get in trouble? I don't think it works like that.

By decriminalizing, you INCREASE the availability of treatment for abusers. They no longer feel stigmatized and they are more likely to seek treatment. They are less likely to hide their behaviour if there are no repercussions to fear from simple use or possession.

You really think the vast majority of drug users are waiting patiently to get treatment? I'm sure you (and apparently everyone in this thread) knows the exception to this, but the number of people who are actively seeking treatment are in the vast minority.

Horseshit. More people use a substance when it is illegal simply for the thrill (underage drinking anyone?). The people who use when a substance is illegal will continue to use if it is legal. The legal status of the substance does nothing to change their desire to consume it.

By legalizing a substance, you remove the "thrill". A few people may experiment who wouldn't have before, but they are more likely to use than abuse.

There is no quantifiable evidence to say either way - so we will just have to agree to disagree here.

I'm in favour of treating marijuana the same as smoking. You shouldn't be exposed to second-hand smoke unless you so choose.

Unfortunately the problem with a gas is that it permeates through the air. So whether you like it or not, you are exposed if you are around it.

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Gand1
Finally, in the incidents I have dealt with, I can say, that from my experience it was detrimental to my health. I have asthma and was doubled over coughing when I got back to my room after dealing with the incident. Furthermore, I felt sick to my stomach the rest of the night.... I was fine before the incident.

As for people not noticing, I'm not sure how you can't notice the smell of it? It is like a million different combinations of garbage all burning at once - disgusting.

-Kevin


If this part is true...then they werent smoking MJ. I have never known a single person who liked or disliked the substance to ever have that reaction. Especially the sick to your stomach. Sorry.

Perhaps I had a bug or something that presented itself then, but they were most definitely smoking Marijuana. The police came and tore the room apart to find it because the kids were too stoned to understand what was being asked of them.

-Kevin

Edit:

Yea GP sounds like he's had some kind of traumatic past with MJ, like an abusive parent smoked it or something.

Nope. Its called being a responsible and mature adult in this world. I have worked hard to get to the point I am at in life, I want to have a family someday, and when I graduate next year I hope to be offered my current job which requires a Security Clearance.

 

[Ns1]

WHY DON'T YOU RESPOND TO ANY OF MY RETORTS

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Gand1
Finally, in the incidents I have dealt with, I can say, that from my experience it was detrimental to my health. I have asthma and was doubled over coughing when I got back to my room after dealing with the incident. Furthermore, I felt sick to my stomach the rest of the night.... I was fine before the incident.

As for people not noticing, I'm not sure how you can't notice the smell of it? It is like a million different combinations of garbage all burning at once - disgusting.

-Kevin


If this part is true...then they werent smoking MJ. I have never known a single person who liked or disliked the substance to ever have that reaction. Especially the sick to your stomach. Sorry.

Perhaps I had a bug or something that presented itself then, but they were most definitely smoking Marijuana. The police came and tore the room apart to find it because the kids were too stoned to understand what was being asked of them.

-Kevin

Edit:

Yea GP sounds like he's had some kind of traumatic past with MJ, like an abusive parent smoked it or something.

Nope. Its called being a responsible and mature adult in this world. I have worked hard to get to the point I am at in life, I want to have a family someday, and when I graduate next year I hope to be offered my current job which requires a Security Clearance.

So you're ok with the way the laws regarding mj, alcohol, and tobacco are now?

Did you call the cops on those guys too? Because it made your tummy ache?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Ns1
WHY DON'T YOU RESPOND TO ANY OF MY RETORTS

Me? I don't think you directed anything at me in the last couple of posts. I had (fast today) a 1:30 commute back home from work today so there was a lot to try and respond to. If I missed something I'm sorry, just tell me which post.

Of course, in the event that all this wasn't directed at me, ignore this post 🙂

-Kevin

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Gand1
Finally, in the incidents I have dealt with, I can say, that from my experience it was detrimental to my health. I have asthma and was doubled over coughing when I got back to my room after dealing with the incident. Furthermore, I felt sick to my stomach the rest of the night.... I was fine before the incident.

As for people not noticing, I'm not sure how you can't notice the smell of it? It is like a million different combinations of garbage all burning at once - disgusting.

-Kevin


If this part is true...then they werent smoking MJ. I have never known a single person who liked or disliked the substance to ever have that reaction. Especially the sick to your stomach. Sorry.

Perhaps I had a bug or something that presented itself then, but they were most definitely smoking Marijuana. The police came and tore the room apart to find it because the kids were too stoned to understand what was being asked of them.

-Kevin

Edit:

Yea GP sounds like he's had some kind of traumatic past with MJ, like an abusive parent smoked it or something.

Nope. Its called being a responsible and mature adult in this world. I have worked hard to get to the point I am at in life, I want to have a family someday, and when I graduate next year I hope to be offered my current job which requires a Security Clearance.

Smoking weed to relax is irresponsible and immature? You are very close minded kid. You hope to be offered your current job? If it's your current job, don't you already have it? 😕

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Gand1
Finally, in the incidents I have dealt with, I can say, that from my experience it was detrimental to my health. I have asthma and was doubled over coughing when I got back to my room after dealing with the incident. Furthermore, I felt sick to my stomach the rest of the night.... I was fine before the incident.

As for people not noticing, I'm not sure how you can't notice the smell of it? It is like a million different combinations of garbage all burning at once - disgusting.

-Kevin


If this part is true...then they werent smoking MJ. I have never known a single person who liked or disliked the substance to ever have that reaction. Especially the sick to your stomach. Sorry.

Perhaps I had a bug or something that presented itself then, but they were most definitely smoking Marijuana. The police came and tore the room apart to find it because the kids were too stoned to understand what was being asked of them.

-Kevin

Edit:

Yea GP sounds like he's had some kind of traumatic past with MJ, like an abusive parent smoked it or something.

Nope. Its called being a responsible and mature adult in this world. I have worked hard to get to the point I am at in life, I want to have a family someday, and when I graduate next year I hope to be offered my current job which requires a Security Clearance.

So you're ok with the way the laws regarding mj, alcohol, and tobacco are now?

Did you call the cops on those guys too? Because it made your tummy ache?

I'm fine with them now I guess. I don't see why cigarettes are legal, but I realize how hard that would be to ban. I can see why alcohol is legal to an extent, but we already proved that didn't work trying to ban it.

Your apology really did mean nothing didn't it? Still resorting to little immature insults. Once again, I called the police because:
A. Its my job.
B. Its illegal.
C. Its against school policy
D. It was a disruption to others (Other residents came and got me)

I'm sorry if those reasons are not good enough for you, but that is how a mature adult handles a situation like that.

-Kevin

Edit:

If it's your current job, don't you already have it?

Its an internship at this point 🙂

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Sorry, but this couldn't be any more wrong. I can guarantee you I've known more drug addicts than you, and I've personally helped them get clean. Addicts aren't unaware of what's happening to them as their life spirals downwards, and many of them do want to put a stop to it once and for all, rather than just get their fix to get them through another day. They DO decide that they want to get help.
If you don't know what you're talking about, it's probably best to keep your mouth shut.

So because you have met some people who want to get clean, you are now expanding that to say that a majority of addicts would get help if they wouldn't get in trouble? I don't think it works like that.

-Kevin

No, YOU said:

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
If you abuse something, you are going to continue abusing it regardless of whether or not it is legal or illegal - you aren't suddenly going to decide to "get help".

I didn't expand anything. You said addicts would not suddenly decide to get help, and you're wrong.

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Its called being a responsible and mature adult in this world. I have worked hard to get to the point I am at in life, I want to have a family someday, and when I graduate next year I hope to be offered my current job which requires a Security Clearance.

Mature, responsible adults can use alcohol or drugs just fine--and they can even have families. They are not mutually exclusive. Smoking marijuana will not prevent you from getting a security clearance, you just have to be honest about it (and not a habitual user).