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[Gamingphreek]

I didn't expand anything. You said addicts would not suddenly decide to get help, and you're wrong.

Ok let me correct/clarify myself.

If you abuse something, you are going to continue abusing it regardless of whether or not it is legal or illegal - most users aren't suddenly going to decide to "get help".

Mature, responsible adults can use alcohol or drugs just fine--and they can even have families. They are not mutually exclusive. Smoking marijuana will not prevent you from getting a security clearance, you just have to be honest about it (and not a habitual user).

Ah a family with a father who smokes Marijuana and a mother who Drinks - just what every kid needs growing up -_-. It is irresponsible!

As for the last statement - sure it will prevent you from getting a clearance. You looking at them the wrong way will prevent you from getting a clearance. Obviously if you have made the MISTAKE of smoking in the past, then sure they can overlook that - if they want. This also depends on the security clearance you would be sponsored for.

-Kevin

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Ah a family with a father who smokes Marijuana and a mother who Drinks - just what every kid needs growing up -_-. It is irresponsible!

😕

Do you think mothers don't drink or something?

I bet a vast majority of mothers drink. It doesn't prevent them from being responsible, as long as they aren't retarded and get themselves drunk and avoid their duties.

The same goes for MJ. It is not impossible to both be responsible and participate in recreational drug usage.

 

[ahenkel]

I was scared as shit of pot when i was little I thought using it once would immediately lead to me mainlining heroin into my eyeball and blowing people for coke. I got over it and haven't blown a single person.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Ah a family with a father who smokes Marijuana and a mother who Drinks - just what every kid needs growing up -_-. It is irresponsible!

😕

Do you think mothers don't drink or something?

I bet a vast majority of mothers drink. It doesn't prevent them from being responsible, as long as they aren't retarded and get themselves drunk and avoid their duties.

The same goes for MJ. It is not impossible to both be responsible and participate in recreational drug usage.

Ok - you know what I meant by drinks....

But just change it to Marijuana and it gets my point across the same way.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Ah a family with a father who smokes Marijuana and a mother who Drinks - just what every kid needs growing up -_-. It is irresponsible!

😕

Do you think mothers don't drink or something?

I bet a vast majority of mothers drink. It doesn't prevent them from being responsible, as long as they aren't retarded and get themselves drunk and avoid their duties.

The same goes for MJ. It is not impossible to both be responsible and participate in recreational drug usage.

Ok - you know what I meant by drinks....

But just change it to Marijuana and it gets my point across the same way.

No it doesn't, because you a treating marijuana as something inherently more insidious than alcohol.

NEWSFLASH - alcohol is way worse for you than marijuana. The only difference is that MJ is illegal for some reason...

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

I didn't expand anything. You said addicts would not suddenly decide to get help, and you're wrong.

Ok let me correct/clarify myself.

If you abuse something, you are going to continue abusing it regardless of whether or not it is legal or illegal - most users aren't suddenly going to decide to "get help".

Mature, responsible adults can use alcohol or drugs just fine--and they can even have families. They are not mutually exclusive. Smoking marijuana will not prevent you from getting a security clearance, you just have to be honest about it (and not a habitual user).

Ah a family with a father who smokes Marijuana and a mother who Drinks - just what every kid needs growing up -_-. It is irresponsible!

As for the last statement - sure it will prevent you from getting a clearance. You looking at them the wrong way will prevent you from getting a clearance. Obviously if you have made the MISTAKE of smoking in the past, then sure they can overlook that - if they want. This also depends on the security clearance you would be sponsored for.

-Kevin

Seriously, you NEED to stop speaking as an authority when you are not one. I had a security clearance, and I was up front about my prior drug usage on my SF-86. I doubt I was some special exception. You don't know what you're talking about. Kindly STFU.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Ah a family with a father who smokes Marijuana and a mother who Drinks - just what every kid needs growing up -_-. It is irresponsible!

😕

Do you think mothers don't drink or something?

I bet a vast majority of mothers drink. It doesn't prevent them from being responsible, as long as they aren't retarded and get themselves drunk and avoid their duties.

The same goes for MJ. It is not impossible to both be responsible and participate in recreational drug usage.

Ok - you know what I meant by drinks....

But just change it to Marijuana and it gets my point across the same way.

No it doesn't, because you a treating marijuana as something inherently more insidious than alcohol.

NEWSFLASH - alcohol is way worse for you than marijuana. The only difference is that MJ is illegal for some reason...

If you had a young child (I apologize if you do - I just don't know) and when you went over to drop them off at one of their friends house and you saw both parents smoking marijuana, you wouldn't have a problem leaving your child with them!? (Assume both with it being illegal in one instance and legal in another)

-Kevin

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Ah a family with a father who smokes Marijuana and a mother who Drinks - just what every kid needs growing up -_-. It is irresponsible!

😕

Do you think mothers don't drink or something?

I bet a vast majority of mothers drink. It doesn't prevent them from being responsible, as long as they aren't retarded and get themselves drunk and avoid their duties.

The same goes for MJ. It is not impossible to both be responsible and participate in recreational drug usage.

Ok - you know what I meant by drinks....

But just change it to Marijuana and it gets my point across the same way.

No it doesn't, because you a treating marijuana as something inherently more insidious than alcohol.

NEWSFLASH - alcohol is way worse for you than marijuana. The only difference is that MJ is illegal for some reason...

If you had a young child (I apologize if you do - I just don't know) and when you went over to drop them off at one of their friends house and you saw both parents smoking marijuana, you wouldn't have a problem leaving your child with them!? (Assume both with it being illegal in one instance and legal in another)

-Kevin

I would expect parents to be courteous enough to not smoke in front of young children, just as I would expect them not to smoke cigs, drink, watch inappropriate shows, listen to inappropriate music, etc.

Recreational drug use != toke up with your kids.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Seriously, you NEED to stop speaking as an authority when you are not one. I had a security clearance, and I was up front about my prior drug usage on my SF-86. I doubt I was some special exception. You don't know what you're talking about. Kindly STFU.

Where am I speaking as an authority? I asked my bosses about security clearances and they told me. I don't think it gets any clearer than that! If you are getting a clearance that requires a polygraph, they can fail you for whatever reason they choose. If you don't require a polygraph, they can still fail you for whatever reason they want (Be it Marijuana or otherwise).

You were up front about your prior drug usage - so did you lie that you still occasionally use marijuana. You do know that using illegal drugs at present time with a security clearance is grounds for termination of that clearance right?

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Ah a family with a father who smokes Marijuana and a mother who Drinks - just what every kid needs growing up -_-. It is irresponsible!

😕

Do you think mothers don't drink or something?

I bet a vast majority of mothers drink. It doesn't prevent them from being responsible, as long as they aren't retarded and get themselves drunk and avoid their duties.

The same goes for MJ. It is not impossible to both be responsible and participate in recreational drug usage.

Ok - you know what I meant by drinks....

But just change it to Marijuana and it gets my point across the same way.

No it doesn't, because you a treating marijuana as something inherently more insidious than alcohol.

NEWSFLASH - alcohol is way worse for you than marijuana. The only difference is that MJ is illegal for some reason...

If you had a young child (I apologize if you do - I just don't know) and when you went over to drop them off at one of their friends house and you saw both parents smoking marijuana, you wouldn't have a problem leaving your child with them!? (Assume both with it being illegal in one instance and legal in another)

-Kevin

I would expect parents to be courteous enough to not smoke in front of young children, just as I would expect them not to smoke cigs, drink, watch inappropriate shows, listen to inappropriate music, etc.

Recreational drug use != toke up with your kids.

But if it is so amazing good for everyone, then why wait?!!?

And you are saying that if that happened today you wouldn't care that the parents are blatantly disregarding the law with your child in the house?

-Kevin

Edit: Its interesting that a vast majority of people in this thread are cursing and throwing mud left and right.... yet, apparently, they are mature individuals and I am the uneducated one. :roll:

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
I find it comical that some idiots get all excited about decriminalization. Decriminalization seem to me like a good idea in terms of not wasting tons of resources, crowding jails, reducing crime associated with trafficking etc, but none of that changes the fact that using the stuff is still stupid. I don't want society wasting it's time trying to prevent people from ingesting something, but there's no reason to get all excited about it unless you're one of the morons who use.

For everyone's reference, pokerguy is a conservative (this should explain his dumb post)

fuckus.txt

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
But if it is so amazing good for everyone, then why wait?!!?

And you are saying that if that happened today you wouldn't care that the parents are blatantly disregarding the law with your child in the house?

-Kevin

Edit: Its interesting that a vast majority of people in this thread are cursing and throwing mud left and right.... yet, apparently, they are mature individuals and I am the uneducated one. :roll:

I never claimed that it was "amazing good" for anyone. Even if it was, there are some things that I just wouldn't submit my kids too. It isn't appropriate for someone of their age. Also, studies don't show the complete effect of Marijuana on developmental growth.

No, I wouldn't care. It's not as if my 5 year old is going to be arrested as an accessory for being in a house where the owners have marijuana. I would just claim I never knew. Also, as I said before, it shouldn't be an issue while I was there, as I would expect them not to use around my children.

I do not claim to be mature, nor have I cursed or flung mud, but it doesn't take much to see how immaturity is affecting your judgment and (lack of) reasoning.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Seriously, you NEED to stop speaking as an authority when you are not one. I had a security clearance, and I was up front about my prior drug usage on my SF-86. I doubt I was some special exception. You don't know what you're talking about. Kindly STFU.

Where am I speaking as an authority? I asked my bosses about security clearances and they told me. I don't think it gets any clearer than that! If you are getting a clearance that requires a polygraph, they can fail you for whatever reason they choose. If you don't require a polygraph, they can still fail you for whatever reason they want (Be it Marijuana or otherwise).

You were up front about your prior drug usage - so did you lie that you still occasionally use marijuana. You do know that using illegal drugs at present time with a security clearance is grounds for termination of that clearance right?

-Kevin

You've done nothing but present yourself as an authority on matters in this thread.
Show me where in this thread I stated that I currently use marijuana. Or, for that matter, where I stated that I currently hold a clearance.
Or just stop posting. That would be great too.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
But if it is so amazing good for everyone, then why wait?!!?

And you are saying that if that happened today you wouldn't care that the parents are blatantly disregarding the law with your child in the house?

-Kevin

Edit: Its interesting that a vast majority of people in this thread are cursing and throwing mud left and right.... yet, apparently, they are mature individuals and I am the uneducated one. :roll:

I'm trying to figure out which of these you're following with that post
Probably not #4 or #7, but the rest look like fair game.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Ah a family with a father who smokes Marijuana and a mother who Drinks - just what every kid needs growing up -_-. It is irresponsible!

😕

Do you think mothers don't drink or something?

I bet a vast majority of mothers drink. It doesn't prevent them from being responsible, as long as they aren't retarded and get themselves drunk and avoid their duties.

The same goes for MJ. It is not impossible to both be responsible and participate in recreational drug usage.

Ok - you know what I meant by drinks....

But just change it to Marijuana and it gets my point across the same way.

No it doesn't, because you a treating marijuana as something inherently more insidious than alcohol.

NEWSFLASH - alcohol is way worse for you than marijuana. The only difference is that MJ is illegal for some reason...

If you had a young child (I apologize if you do - I just don't know) and when you went over to drop them off at one of their friends house and you saw both parents smoking marijuana, you wouldn't have a problem leaving your child with them!? (Assume both with it being illegal in one instance and legal in another)

-Kevin

I have a friend who is happily married with a five year old son. He smokes daily, with his son in the house. He doesn't smoke ALOT though. Puffs, here and there. He makes about $70,000 a year as a network tech, has full insurance benefits, and about $100,000 in his savings account.

His son is like the smartest kid in his class. His marriage is going great. He's very happy.

I'd rather have my kids over with him, then with a family that drinks beer all day.

 

[Gamingphreek]

I would just claim I never knew.

but it doesn't take much to see how immaturity is affecting your judgment and (lack of) reasoning.

Hold on one second so I can get this straight. You just said you would lie. You admit that you smoke Marijuana even though it is illegal. Somehow, despite all of that, I am the irresponsible/immature one....ok.

You've done nothing but present yourself as an authority on matters in this thread.
Show me where in this thread I stated that I currently use marijuana. Or, for that matter, where I stated that I currently hold a clearance.
Or just stop posting. That would be great too.

Well I believe I said quite the opposite....

No, admittedly I do not know a great deal on the subject.

That was back on the first page in response to TechBoy if you want to take a look.

I'm trying to figure out which of these you're following with that post
Probably not #4 or #7, but the rest look like fair game.

I have clearly and calmly defended my argument from, in most cases, personal experience. Meanwhile, Mr. Argument Expert, I believe the "ad hominem" logical fallacy is very prevalent in responses to my posts.

-Kevin

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Seriously, you NEED to stop speaking as an authority when you are not one. I had a security clearance, and I was up front about my prior drug usage on my SF-86. I doubt I was some special exception. You don't know what you're talking about. Kindly STFU.

Where am I speaking as an authority? I asked my bosses about security clearances and they told me. I don't think it gets any clearer than that! If you are getting a clearance that requires a polygraph, they can fail you for whatever reason they choose. If you don't require a polygraph, they can still fail you for whatever reason they want (Be it Marijuana or otherwise).

You were up front about your prior drug usage - so did you lie that you still occasionally use marijuana. You do know that using illegal drugs at present time with a security clearance is grounds for termination of that clearance right?

-Kevin

You've done nothing but present yourself as an authority on matters in this thread.
Show me where in this thread I stated that I currently use marijuana. Or, for that matter, where I stated that I currently hold a clearance.
Or just stop posting. That would be great too.

He was a f'n RA for crying outloud. He is an authority for sure. He has the power. His way is best.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I have a friend who is happily married with a five year old son. He smokes daily, with his son in the house. He doesn't smoke ALOT though. Puffs, here and there. He makes about $70,000 a year as a network tech, has full insurance benefits, and about $100,000 in his savings account.

His son is like the smartest kid in his class. His marriage is going great. He's very happy.

I'd rather have my kids over with him, then with a family that drinks beer all day.

Whoa--mature, responsible usage? UNPOSSIBLE!

 

[Gamingphreek]

I have a friend who is happily married with a five year old son. He smokes daily, with his son in the house. He doesn't smoke ALOT though. Puffs, here and there. He makes about $70,000 a year as a network tech, has full insurance benefits, and about $100,000 in his savings account.

His son is like the smartest kid in his class. His marriage is going great. He's very happy.

I'd rather have my kids over with him, then with a family that drinks beer all day.

I would allow a child of mine over to either house.

Not only is he breaking the law, but, in that, he is neglecting the health and well being of the child.

-Kevin

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I have a friend who is happily married with a five year old son. He smokes daily, with his son in the house. He doesn't smoke ALOT though. Puffs, here and there. He makes about $70,000 a year as a network tech, has full insurance benefits, and about $100,000 in his savings account.

His son is like the smartest kid in his class. His marriage is going great. He's very happy.

I'd rather have my kids over with him, then with a family that drinks beer all day.

Whoa--mature, responsible usage? UNPOSSIBLE!

I'm high right now.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

You've done nothing but present yourself as an authority on matters in this thread.
Show me where in this thread I stated that I currently use marijuana. Or, for that matter, where I stated that I currently hold a clearance.
Or just stop posting. That would be great too.

Well I believe I said quite the opposite....

No, admittedly I do not know a great deal on the subject.

That was back on the first page in response to TechBoy if you want to take a look.

I'm trying to figure out which of these you're following with that post
Probably not #4 or #7, but the rest look like fair game.

I have clearly and calmly defended my argument from, in most cases, personal experience. Meanwhile, Mr. Argument Expert, I believe the "ad hominem" logical fallacy is very prevalent in responses to my posts.

-Kevin

Your disclaimer does nothing to alter the way you've presented yourself.
Please show me where I indicated I was an argument expert?
Or, again, just stop posting. My vote is for that.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Whoa--mature, responsible usage? UNPOSSIBLE!

I'm pretty sure it is one heck of an oxymoron saying that someone is "responsibly breaking the law".

He was a f'n RA for crying outloud. He is an authority for sure. He has the power. His way is best.

Did I ever say that I made the rules for my campus? I do as I am told and follow the rules put for for my well being. Not once in this thread have I gone outside of that.

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Your disclaimer does nothing to alter the way you've presented yourself.
Please show me where I indicated I was an argument expert?
Or, again, just stop posting. My vote is for that.

Well you critiqued my argument and pointed to a bogus set of rules, so you must be the authority on it in this thread then.

-Kevin

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

I have a friend who is happily married with a five year old son. He smokes daily, with his son in the house. He doesn't smoke ALOT though. Puffs, here and there. He makes about $70,000 a year as a network tech, has full insurance benefits, and about $100,000 in his savings account.

His son is like the smartest kid in his class. His marriage is going great. He's very happy.

I'd rather have my kids over with him, then with a family that drinks beer all day.

I would allow a child of mine over to either house.

Not only is he breaking the law, but, in that, he is neglecting the health and well being of the child.

-Kevin

Everything is just black and white with you isn't it? No color in your judgement I see.

He's breaking a barbaric law. One that should be repealled. It's bad because it's illegal right? It's illegal because it's bad?

How is he neglecting the health and well being of the child? By smoking mj around him? I don't believe that, because I know the truth. He isn't subjecting the child to a smoke filled room. He does however, make sure his kid gets a proper diet, goes to bed ontime, does his homework, gets excercise, etc. He's actually one hell of a father. But you discount him due to ignorance.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

I have a friend who is happily married with a five year old son. He smokes daily, with his son in the house. He doesn't smoke ALOT though. Puffs, here and there. He makes about $70,000 a year as a network tech, has full insurance benefits, and about $100,000 in his savings account.

His son is like the smartest kid in his class. His marriage is going great. He's very happy.

I'd rather have my kids over with him, then with a family that drinks beer all day.

I would allow a child of mine over to either house.

Not only is he breaking the law, but, in that, he is neglecting the health and well being of the child.

-Kevin

Yes, he's breaking the law, but you're wrong apart from that. See, this is what I'm talking about. You do not present your opinion as an opinion. You state it as fact.