Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers.

[waggy]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: skace
Why are you guys knocking audiophiles in regards to monster cable? Most audiophiles would laugh at even the mention of Monster.

you are right.


but you get some like slicksnake that buy into the marketing and think they are elite audiophiles

I never claimed to be an elite audiophile, but I didn't sleep through physics class, either. I also can't afford to be an elite audiophile. But thanks for confusing me with one, I guess. But I would describe the quality of my 2 HTs as well above average. And it was all bought for overall sound quality, not cheapness. But you can get good deals on anything if you look hard enough and do a bit of listening and reasearch, which I did.

Most people just buy cheap, and couldn't care less about quality. Either it works, or it don't. If that makes me an audiophile, so be it. But I also won't pretend to be stupid enough to run crappy lamp wire to main speakers that cost $1800 each retail, either. That might be fine for some cheap skates, but not for me. And I also have some unusual speakers that also require a heavy gauge speaker wire, on the fronts. Thin lamp wire simply will not cut it.

But kudos to those who think they are impressing everyone here by pretending to use cheap, crappy lamp wire while actualy hiding in the dark closet with their Monsters in their sweaty palms.

you should change your nick to slickwillie. you sure can fit in with the politicians.

you claim one thing and say another. even though facts and science don't back you up.

 

[Safeway]

I admit that I have Monster HDMI, Component, and Speaker Wire spool, but I paid about $10 each for them. Bought them from a friend that is a Best Buy manager. Does it help? I have no clue. Do the wires look better than the stock ones? Surely.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: skace
Why are you guys knocking audiophiles in regards to monster cable? Most audiophiles would laugh at even the mention of Monster.

you are right.


but you get some like slicksnake that buy into the marketing and think they are elite audiophiles

I never claimed to be an elite audiophile, but I didn't sleep through physics class, either. I also can't afford to be an elite audiophile. But thanks for confusing me with one, I guess. But I would describe the quality of my 2 HTs as well above average. And it was all bought for overall sound quality, not cheapness. But you can get good deals on anything if you look hard enough and do a bit of listening and reasearch, which I did.

Most people just buy cheap, and couldn't care less about quality. Either it works, or it don't. If that makes me an audiophile, so be it. But I also won't pretend to be stupid enough to run crappy lamp wire to main speakers that cost $1800 each retail, either. That might be fine for some cheap skates, but not for me. And I also have some unusual speakers that also require a heavy gauge speaker wire, on the fronts. Thin lamp wire simply will not cut it.

But kudos to those who think they are impressing everyone here by pretending to use cheap, crappy lamp wire while actualy hiding in the dark closet with their Monsters in their sweaty palms.

Sigh, comparing to average is really a bad idea since the average person does not even have a home theatre. Speaking from personal experience, and I have been around electronics since I was born (dad owned an electronics parts wholesale store), quality is important to me. I am however, not going to pay through my nose for something that is just plain ripoff. Please name these unusual speakers, maybe I can find some speaker wires that will not bankrupt you yet will do the job.

PS do not ever step into avsforum, they are not as forgiving as I am.

 

[SlickSnake]

Posted by Marlin1975

Quoted so he can;t edit his BS.

When in deep just keep digging. :laugh:

The doctor said you shouldn't get all excited like this. Isn't it time to take your meds and take a nice nap?

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: sdifox
WTF is magnetic flux tube, time correct winding, multitwist construction????

Bullshit marketing, that's what.

I want my flux capacitor!

The only thing you'll get is ripped off.

Wait, you mean I can actually buy one? Where? I want the link so I can point and laugh.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
lol i never thought of coathangers as wiring..thats damn creative


overhyped garbage...
monster cable, barak obama...chumps everywhere.

I see what you did thar...

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Posted by Marlin1975

Quoted so he can;t edit his BS.

When in deep just keep digging. :laugh:

The doctor said you shouldn't get all excited like this. Isn't it time to take your meds and take a nice nap?

So what is all this high end gear you have since others have asked but you keep dancining around it but not answering? i am sure its monster level great stuff. :laugh:

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Self-proclaimed audiophiles, like SlickSnake, that use OMG MONSTER are full of it.

My friends call me an audiophile, although I certainly don't think so. Know why? I can hear the difference between a 128 kbps MP3 and a CD..... I didn't spend $500 on Monster Cables; I'm using the stock, extremely thin gauge, hardwired cables on my Sony HTIB that I got on clearance from BB for $134. Or my Shure E4Cs plugged into my iPod. I've got an Alpine deck in my car that I bought on a clearance error at BB for $79; mainly because it has iPod support, but also because it's got a 24 bit DAC, which does sound a little better than my stock headunit. Enjoy your increased definition and imaging and clarity and all that crap, I'll enjoy my cheap consumer electronics

 

[rockyct]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: rockyct

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: rockyct
Well, at least this is better than headphone audiophiles paying $500 for a power cable for their amplifier. That's right a six foot cord between the outlet and the amp.

Whatever next? You own dedicated generation, transmission, and distribution line?

A wind farm + solar farm + battery farm means you are off the grid and not influenced by your neighbour's fridge and hair dryer....

I think solar power and batteries would create a pretty dirty AC sine wave. However, I don't think it would be above them to buy special amplifiers that would run off of 36V DC or something like that. Sadly, that would not surprise me in the least if some people did that.

Not really, you can reconstruct perfect sine wave and it would be super clean. And nuts. I remember seeing someone's huge lead acid battery farm on the web. Just for his listening room of course.

Well, just from experience a portion of our house is powered by from a couple of DC-AC inverters from a rack of batteries which are charged by a few large solar panels. A lot of the time there is a weird flicker with the lights that only occurs in the area of the house powered by the inverters. Someday I'd like to get an o-scope and look at the AC power, but I'd have a feeling that a few people would complain that the inverter narrows the soundstage and muddles the bass a little.

 

[SlickSnake]

Posted By sdifox

Did you by any chance replace all the cables all the way from the nuclear plant to your speakers? How about the tiiny cables in your speaker? And the winding of your speaker coils? Face it, speakers are so inefficient, whatever perceived advantage you get from the cable is erased by the 60% loss imposed by the loudspeaker. The only real requirement on speaker cable is really gauge. Gauge of the conductor (not the cable) . Advanced physics my ass.

For what it's worth, your Z1 may be decent cables, but the termination killed off any benefit of a large gauge speaker cable. And calling other people noob really just shows you are a tool.

WTF is magnetic flux tube, time correct winding, multitwist construction????

The electrical transmission lines do not effect the performance of the speaker wire, unless it's full of line noise. Nice try, though. It's speaker wire that we are debating here, atm. Remember the topic?

The speaker wire used in my speakers is a thick gauge wire, but I could not estimate the thickness without cutting one in half to look at it, it's not listed on the wire. It looks to be 10 or 12 gauge. Remember the part where I discussed the need for a thicker gauge speaker wire on my mains? Also, all the speakers in the series have the same size wire in them.

The speaker coils also have a very large gauge wire wrapped around them, hard to tell exactly, but from what I can see of the 12 inch woofers, it's a thick gauge, looks as large as the internal wiring is.

Also, how exactly does the speaker termination effect the gauge in a negative way, considering all the soldered solid wire connections on the speaker and amp in the first place?

The only people I'm calling a n00b have already proved their toolness by mistaking this topic for Hot Deals on Monoprice cables - let's rag on Monster because I can't afford decent speaker wire - tools.

If you spend good money on your HT then thread crap about lamp wire being as good as a quality speaker wire, you really need more help than I can offer or recommend.

And as far as the specifics of the Z series speaker wire construction you could just email Monster Cable and see what they say. Oh wait, bad idea, you won't believe them anyhow.

Or you could write to someone who is neutral like Floyd E. Toole, PH.D. about that. He is Vice President Acoustical Engineering, Harman International Industries, Inc. and works for Harman Kardon. I'm sure he is much more qualified than myself to answer those questions about speaker wire construction.

Here is a condensed white paper he wrote about audio science. For those who don't have too much ADD and can sit through it all, amidst the uncontrollable urge to post more lamp wire crap here.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: sdifox
WTF is magnetic flux tube, time correct winding, multitwist construction????

Bullshit marketing, that's what.

I want my flux capacitor!

The only thing you'll get is ripped off.

Wait, you mean I can actually buy one? Where? I want the link so I can point and laugh.

Of course you can. A MONSTAR brand Flux Capacitor. It gives you 1.25 gigawatts of power, as opposed to the standard.

This thread is full of win.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: rockyct

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: rockyct

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: rockyct
Well, at least this is better than headphone audiophiles paying $500 for a power cable for their amplifier. That's right a six foot cord between the outlet and the amp.

Whatever next? You own dedicated generation, transmission, and distribution line?

A wind farm + solar farm + battery farm means you are off the grid and not influenced by your neighbour's fridge and hair dryer....

I think solar power and batteries would create a pretty dirty AC sine wave. However, I don't think it would be above them to buy special amplifiers that would run off of 36V DC or something like that. Sadly, that would not surprise me in the least if some people did that.

Not really, you can reconstruct perfect sine wave and it would be super clean. And nuts. I remember seeing someone's huge lead acid battery farm on the web. Just for his listening room of course.

Well, just from experience a portion of our house is powered by from a couple of DC-AC inverters from a rack of batteries which are charged by a few large solar panels. A lot of the time there is a weird flicker with the lights that only occurs in the area of the house powered by the inverters. Someday I'd like to get an o-scope and look at the AC power, but I'd have a feeling that a few people would complain that the inverter narrows the soundstage and muddles the bass a little.

maybe a few capacitors need to be thrown into the chain?

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Self-proclaimed audiophiles, like SlickSnake, that use OMG MONSTER are full of it.

My friends call me an audiophile, although I certainly don't think so. Know why? I can hear the difference between a 128 kbps MP3 and a CD..... I didn't spend $500 on Monster Cables; I'm using the stock, extremely thin gauge, hardwired cables on my Sony HTIB that I got on clearance from BB for $134. Or my Shure E4Cs plugged into my iPod. I've got an Alpine deck in my car that I bought on a clearance error at BB for $79; mainly because it has iPod support, but also because it's got a 24 bit DAC, which does sound a little better than my stock headunit. Enjoy your increased definition and imaging and clarity and all that crap, I'll enjoy my cheap consumer electronics

Once again, I never claimed to be an audiophile. If you had bothered to read my posts, you would see I already denied this. I'm just not moronic enough to compare thin lamp cord to a decent speaker wire. Be it Monster or some other way more expensive cable brand. I just use Monster because I got it at a good discount and the quality was there. Simple as that.

And anyone who isn't tone deaf can hear the difference between 128 kbps MP3 and a CD. If that qualifies as an audiophile, then I'm right there with ya, pal.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Posted By sdifox

Did you by any chance replace all the cables all the way from the nuclear plant to your speakers? How about the tiiny cables in your speaker? And the winding of your speaker coils? Face it, speakers are so inefficient, whatever perceived advantage you get from the cable is erased by the 60% loss imposed by the loudspeaker. The only real requirement on speaker cable is really gauge. Gauge of the conductor (not the cable) . Advanced physics my ass.

For what it's worth, your Z1 may be decent cables, but the termination killed off any benefit of a large gauge speaker cable. And calling other people noob really just shows you are a tool.

WTF is magnetic flux tube, time correct winding, multitwist construction????

The electrical transmission lines do not effect the performance of the speaker wire, unless it's full of line noise. Nice try, though. It's speaker wire that we are debating here, atm. Remember the topic?

The speaker wire used in my speakers is a thick gauge wire, but I could not estimate the thickness without cutting one in half to look at it, it's not listed on the wire. It looks to be 10 or 12 gauge. Remember the part where I discussed the need for a thicker gauge speaker wire on my mains? Also, all the speakers in the series have the same size wire in them.

The speaker coils also have a very large gauge wire wrapped around them, hard to tell exactly, but from what I can see of the 12 inch woofers, it's a thick gauge, looks as large as the internal wiring is.

Also, how exactly does the speaker termination effect the gauge in a negative way, considering all the soldered solid wire connections on the speaker and amp in the first place?

The only people I'm calling a n00b have already proved their toolness by mistaking this topic for Hot Deals on Monoprice cables - let's rag on Monster because I can't afford decent speaker wire - tools.

If you spend good money on your HT then thread crap about lamp wire being as good as a quality speaker wire, you really need more help than I can offer or recommend.

And as far as the specifics of the Z series speaker wire construction you could just email Monster Cable and see what they say. Oh wait, bad idea, you won't believe them anyhow.

Or you could write to someone who is neutral like Floyd E. Toole, PH.D. about that. He is Vice President Acoustical Engineering, Harman International Industries, Inc. and works for Harman Kardon. I'm sure he is much more qualified than myself to answer those questions about speaker wire construction.

Here is a condensed white paper he wrote about audio science. For those who don't have too much ADD and can sit through it all, amidst the uncontrollable urge to post more lamp wire crap here.

Haha from your own link...

"The results are very clear. Figure 4 shows that, in subjective ratings of four loudspeakers, the differences in ratings caused by knowledge of the products is as large or larger than those attributable to the differences in sound alone."

So when people don;t know what is being use, like coat hangers, they rank them the same. Its only when they know the name, i.e. monster, they THINK its better. Your own link shows what we are saying and that you are full of it.

AND again, what is all this great gear you are running that you get "greater clarity and definition" from from using monster???

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: gorcorps
"Studies" like this make me sad... and the people who call themselves 'audiophiles' and eat this shit up makes me even sadder. Before I go ranting here, I just want to say while I don't consider myself an audiophile I am more picky than most. But I AM a metallurgical engineer and have quite a bit of experience when it comes to metals, alloys, and how they're made and used.

First, while it may be a surprise to some of you that a coat hanger could produce that good of sound, it really shouldn't. A conductive metal will conduct, that's all there is to it. Gold conducts a bit better than copper which conducts better than lots of other metals but the fact of the matter is that many cheap metals will conduct well enough for speaker wire for most to not tell the difference. But that doesn't mean there's no reason to go with the cheap metals every time... you pretty much get what you pay for here. As mentioned before Gold is highly corrosion resistant. Add that with great conductance and you have a perfect metal to use for such applications. Copper and Gold are both also of the "face centered cubic" crystal structure which is known to be of higher ductility than other metals. This means they can be bent, twisted, and formed more easily without worrying about breaking them. Try to bend a coat hanger at the same spot a few times and it'll snap long before copper or gold wire of the same gauge. So with gold and copper you have a material that conducts electricity well, and can be warped without much worry. Can you really ask for a better material for a cable?

So where does your money for monster cables go? Into shielding which is quite important, warranties which many other companies don't offer, and durability. I use monster cables for my guitar setup because I can step all over them, run over them with chairs, etc without having to worry they'll short out. And if they do? It gets sent to monster for a replacement.

I have a hard time believing you are an engineer of any kind if you believe that speaker wires are ever shielded

I made it blissfully clear that I was NOT an audiophile by any means, meaning the audio info is the stuff I wasn't clear on. But seeing as knowing whether a cable has shielding or not has NOTHING to do with my field, I don't see why you would jump to that conclusion. But don't worry about it, I wouldn't expect you to grasp such a term like 'metallurgy' your first time. I'm sure you'll get it eventually (pats head)

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Rubycon
What I find really funny about all this speaker wire stuff is people spend all this money to ensure the best connection between their box and receiver yet never peep inside either component to see how its wired! :laugh:

The pros use SJO cable - like your garden variety extension cord. Most is SJ (300V rated) but in high power installs we like to use 600V rated stuff. (SJO) Virtually indestructible as are the Speakon connectors on each end. Twist and click - goes nowhere even if someone trips on the wire - box keeps on ticking and the unfortunate individual does a face plant on the stage. :Q

thats a bit excessive for home or auto use tho...

you cant really compare stage quality shit with home needs either, the demand alone isnt there. i used to run 2 peavey SP-1 monitors (with 15" black widows still in them) in my house, but i could never even push the volume past 3. the neighbors would complain, windows would rattle and pictures would fall off the wall. those 850W xovers were beautiful also. before that i had 2 coustic dual 13" ceramic monitors, and those would make ears bleed. i also used my inherited cables from shows i had worked, but they sounded about the same with the crappy home stuff i had. you wouldnt even hear a difference in cables unless you were on a larger scaled distributed system like at a concert or show of some size.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Self-proclaimed audiophiles, like SlickSnake, that use OMG MONSTER are full of it.

My friends call me an audiophile, although I certainly don't think so. Know why? I can hear the difference between a 128 kbps MP3 and a CD..... I didn't spend $500 on Monster Cables; I'm using the stock, extremely thin gauge, hardwired cables on my Sony HTIB that I got on clearance from BB for $134. Or my Shure E4Cs plugged into my iPod. I've got an Alpine deck in my car that I bought on a clearance error at BB for $79; mainly because it has iPod support, but also because it's got a 24 bit DAC, which does sound a little better than my stock headunit. Enjoy your increased definition and imaging and clarity and all that crap, I'll enjoy my cheap consumer electronics

Once again, I never claimed to be an audiophile. If you had bothered to read my posts, you would see I already denied this. I'm just not moronic enough to compare thin lamp cord to a decent speaker wire. Be

I bet you'd be hardpressed to tell in a double-blind test. If the difference is so insignificant that you can't find it without KNOWING it's there, then it's not worth paying for...

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Posted By sdifox

Did you by any chance replace all the cables all the way from the nuclear plant to your speakers? How about the tiiny cables in your speaker? And the winding of your speaker coils? Face it, speakers are so inefficient, whatever perceived advantage you get from the cable is erased by the 60% loss imposed by the loudspeaker. The only real requirement on speaker cable is really gauge. Gauge of the conductor (not the cable) . Advanced physics my ass.

For what it's worth, your Z1 may be decent cables, but the termination killed off any benefit of a large gauge speaker cable. And calling other people noob really just shows you are a tool.

WTF is magnetic flux tube, time correct winding, multitwist construction????

The electrical transmission lines do not effect the performance of the speaker wire, unless it's full of line noise. Nice try, though. It's speaker wire that we are debating here, atm. Remember the topic?

The speaker wire used in my speakers is a thick gauge wire, but I could not estimate the thickness without cutting one in half to look at it, it's not listed on the wire. It looks to be 10 or 12 gauge. Remember the part where I discussed the need for a thicker gauge speaker wire on my mains? Also, all the speakers in the series have the same size wire in them.

The speaker coils also have a very large gauge wire wrapped around them, hard to tell exactly, but from what I can see of the 12 inch woofers, it's a thick gauge, looks as large as the internal wiring is.

Also, how exactly does the speaker termination effect the gauge in a negative way, considering all the soldered solid wire connections on the speaker and amp in the first place?

The only people I'm calling a n00b have already proved their toolness by mistaking this topic for Hot Deals on Monoprice cables - let's rag on Monster because I can't afford decent speaker wire - tools.

If you spend good money on your HT then thread crap about lamp wire being as good as a quality speaker wire, you really need more help than I can offer or recommend.

And as far as the specifics of the Z series speaker wire construction you could just email Monster Cable and see what they say. Oh wait, bad idea, you won't believe them anyhow.

Or you could write to someone who is neutral like Floyd E. Toole, PH.D. about that. He is Vice President Acoustical Engineering, Harman International Industries, Inc. and works for Harman Kardon. I'm sure he is much more qualified than myself to answer those questions about speaker wire construction.

Here is a condensed white paper he wrote about audio science. For those who don't have too much ADD and can sit through it all, amidst the uncontrollable urge to post more lamp wire crap here.

Haha from your own link...

"The results are very clear. Figure 4 shows that, in subjective ratings of four loudspeakers, the differences in ratings caused by knowledge of the products is as large or larger than those attributable to the differences in sound alone."

So when people don;t know what is being use, like coat hangers, they rank them the same. Its only when they know the name, i.e. monster, they THINK its better. Your own link shows what we are saying and that you are full of it.

AND again, what is all this great gear you are running that you get "greater clarity and definition" from from using monster???

While we're on the subject of tools and "toolness" (wtf?) did anyone else notice that the author of the linked article is Floyd E. Toole? I don't know if that is significant but it's damn funny.

 

[KeithTalent]

I purchased Monster cables when I bought my home theatre system last week. I got the DVI/HDMI cable to the TV for free and the two other cables (HDMI and Digital Audio) were half price because I was buying a bunch of stuff all together, so I don't feel ripped off.

I seriously doubt I would be able to tell the difference between these and anything else though.

KT

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Safeway
Monster cables can cost as much as the television they are connected to. The only thing in this category I would ever buy would be an advanced surge protector/energy scrubber. Separate grounds for audio equipment drastically decreases fuzziness and buzz.

separate grounds do make a difference, but pounding a 3ft ground rod outside is no different than dragging a new ground off your buss at the distro panel. that buss is attached to your water pipes usually, which goes farther down and is more effective than a 3ft ground rod.

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Self-proclaimed audiophiles, like SlickSnake, that use OMG MONSTER are full of it.

My friends call me an audiophile, although I certainly don't think so. Know why? I can hear the difference between a 128 kbps MP3 and a CD..... I didn't spend $500 on Monster Cables; I'm using the stock, extremely thin gauge, hardwired cables on my Sony HTIB that I got on clearance from BB for $134. Or my Shure E4Cs plugged into my iPod. I've got an Alpine deck in my car that I bought on a clearance error at BB for $79; mainly because it has iPod support, but also because it's got a 24 bit DAC, which does sound a little better than my stock headunit. Enjoy your increased definition and imaging and clarity and all that crap, I'll enjoy my cheap consumer electronics

Once again, I never claimed to be an audiophile. If you had bothered to read my posts, you would see I already denied this. I'm just not moronic enough to compare thin lamp cord to a decent speaker wire. Be

I bet you'd be hardpressed to tell in a double-blind test. If the difference is so insignificant that you can't find it without KNOWING it's there, then it's not worth paying for...

The point isn't that you can/can't tell, it's that (for the most part) you WILL get what you pay for. I've had great experience with monster warranties so for me they're worth the price. Are there other cables out there which do the job? Of course there are, and nobody can tell the difference. But cheap cables will break, and you don't have anything backing you then. You'll have to buy another cheapo, and another, and eventually it adds up.

 

[SlickSnake]

:roll:

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: skace
Why are you guys knocking audiophiles in regards to monster cable? Most audiophiles would laugh at even the mention of Monster.

you are right.


but you get some like slicksnake that buy into the marketing and think they are elite audiophiles

I never claimed to be an elite audiophile, but I didn't sleep through physics class, either. I also can't afford to be an elite audiophile. But thanks for confusing me with one, I guess. But I would describe the quality of my 2 HTs as well above average. And it was all bought for overall sound quality, not cheapness. But you can get good deals on anything if you look hard enough and do a bit of listening and reasearch, which I did.

Most people just buy cheap, and couldn't care less about quality. Either it works, or it don't. If that makes me an audiophile, so be it. But I also won't pretend to be stupid enough to run crappy lamp wire to main speakers that cost $1800 each retail, either. That might be fine for some cheap skates, but not for me. And I also have some unusual speakers that also require a heavy gauge speaker wire, on the fronts. Thin lamp wire simply will not cut it.

But kudos to those who think they are impressing everyone here by pretending to use cheap, crappy lamp wire while actualy hiding in the dark closet with their Monsters in their sweaty palms.

Sigh, comparing to average is really a bad idea since the average person does not even have a home theatre. Speaking from personal experience, and I have been around electronics since I was born (dad owned an electronics parts wholesale store), quality is important to me. I am however, not going to pay through my nose for something that is just plain ripoff. Please name these unusual speakers, maybe I can find some speaker wires that will not bankrupt you yet will do the job.

PS do not ever step into avsforum, they are not as forgiving as I am.

Too late, already made that error. I will tell you what it's not, Polk or Onkyo. Popular and cheap mad mob favorites. All connected by coathangers, lamp cord and Monoprice.

BTW, the retail on my main speakers was supposedly $2900 each when they were first released, LOL. But I never even saw them for more than $1800 anywhere when I looked. I, of course, paid a LOT less than that. But I still don't think that makes me an audiophile. And I don't consider my speaker choices relevant to this thread. I am sure there are those who think Audiovox would sound just as good, for 1/100 of the price. Enough already! :roll:

And I hardly consider paying 50 cents a foot a ripoff for a quality speaker cable. You can barely get lamp cord for that.

 

[Soundmanred]

Originally posted by: gorcorps

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Self-proclaimed audiophiles, like SlickSnake, that use OMG MONSTER are full of it.

My friends call me an audiophile, although I certainly don't think so. Know why? I can hear the difference between a 128 kbps MP3 and a CD..... I didn't spend $500 on Monster Cables; I'm using the stock, extremely thin gauge, hardwired cables on my Sony HTIB that I got on clearance from BB for $134. Or my Shure E4Cs plugged into my iPod. I've got an Alpine deck in my car that I bought on a clearance error at BB for $79; mainly because it has iPod support, but also because it's got a 24 bit DAC, which does sound a little better than my stock headunit. Enjoy your increased definition and imaging and clarity and all that crap, I'll enjoy my cheap consumer electronics

Once again, I never claimed to be an audiophile. If you had bothered to read my posts, you would see I already denied this. I'm just not moronic enough to compare thin lamp cord to a decent speaker wire. Be

I bet you'd be hardpressed to tell in a double-blind test. If the difference is so insignificant that you can't find it without KNOWING it's there, then it's not worth paying for...

The point isn't that you can/can't tell, it's that (for the most part) you WILL get what you pay for. I've had great experience with monster warranties so for me they're worth the price. Are there other cables out there which do the job? Of course there are, and nobody can tell the difference. But cheap cables will break, and you don't have anything backing you then. You'll have to buy another cheapo, and another, and eventually it adds up.

The wording he used here was "thin lamp cord" compared to "decent speaker wire". What are the definitions of "thin" and "decent"? 16AWG lamp cord and 16AWG "speaker wire" are the same, one is just labelled as "speaker wire", marketed differently, and probably looks nicer.

SlickSnake - Why won't you tell us what speakers you have?

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: QueBert
one thing I like about Monster Cables, they're incredibly easy to bend and route. I have their pro series audio amp kit cables running for my car stereo. No other brand I looked at had the same quality. It's like they're made out of silly putty how easy it is to bend them and get them to go where you want. Sound any better? nope not at all, but was worth the $200 IMO for how greatly they helped make the install that much easier, and it look cleaner than I could have done with generics. No other brand with the exception of the Kicker, which cost about the same would have given me the same results.

some of us are ummm... superficial? haha that's why I pay 12 bucks for a SATA cable that should be $3, just because it has a nicer look I spend more. It sucks to be superficial

Ummm well then you didn't look too much. What guage wires are you running?

I bought a $90 0/1 gauge kit from Kicker that had 20 ft of 0/1 gauge for power and 5 ft for grounding. Also came with distro blocks, and 2x 12 ft lengths of 4 gauge. All of the cables are flexible and super easy to bend, even the 0/1 gauge. I am curious as to what your $200 Monster stuff got you.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Your problem slick is that one of your main arguments is 'If I paid X for my components/speakers then that means I should definitely pay a proportional amount for speaker wire'. That is where your logic is flawed.

In addition, no one will argue that there is usually a correlation in quality and price when related to speakers, receivers, amps, etc. so your Audiovox reference is off the mark.