ATI launch party attendees say two months till R520

[VIAN]

I'm waiting, but getting really annoyed actually. Plus, I don't have any money.

 

[BFG10K]

We know you can only post about 5800s and 9700s BFG,

Yes, we know you like sweeping the inferiorities of you favorite vendor under the carpet.

but it's almost 2006 and nobody cares anymore?

Will anybody care about this thread when the R520 is released?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

We know you can only post about 5800s and 9700s BFG,

Yes, we know you like sweeping the inferiorities of you favorite vendor under the carpet.

It was two and a half years ago BFG, nobody but you cares anymore.

but it's almost 2006 and nobody cares anymore?

Will anybody care about this thread when the R520 is released?

Hard to say. Will ATIs six pending lawsuits put them under? Will ATI saying "It's done, coming soon" mean more than it did when they lied about it last November? Will the R520 be a decent part? Will ATI Fed-Ex BFG a tasty cookie for so staunchly defending them in their hour of need?

All we have are questions, so few answers.......
🙁

 

[BFG10K]

Rollo in the interests of stopping this thread from derailing into the typical flamefest I'm going to ignore your jabs at this time.

However I will say this - as much as you seem to enjoy it when ATi hits a hurdle I don't think they're down and out just yet.

 

[fstime]

This thread is terrible, it serves no purpose other than to provide Rollo a reason to flame on about how Nvidia is #1 and Ati sucks.

Your stratagy is getting old.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BFG10K
ATi's delays are certainly a concern but they're still in far better shape than nVidia was during the NV3x days. The 5800U came out months later than the 9700 Pro and it was inferior and nVidia's refresh NV3x was still inferior to the 9800 Pro/XT.

We know you can only post about 5800s and 9700s BFG, but it's almost 2006 and nobody cares anymore?

QFT

Anyone still holding onto the 5800/9700 (ancient history in computer years).. is a confirmed ATI fanboy. :thumbsdown:

 

[Creig]

Rollo, can't you just STOP with the continual non-stop stream of anti-ATI threads? People are getting SO tired of you constantly stirring up flamefests. You sound absolutely GLEEFUL that ATI stock is down and the R520 is late. You want to know something, though?


It's bad for EVERYBODY! Nvidia and ATI consumers alike.


No direct competitor to the 7800GTX means:

1) Prices will drop much slower, if at all.
2) No incentive for Nvidia to release faster refresh/new design.
3) Less incentive for new features.
4) Less incentive for driver updates/bug fixes.


So just give it a rest already, okay?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Rollo

Like it or not, this is news. Unlike you, I'm actually waiting to buy this card. When you wait and you wait and you wait and you wait....it gets frustrating? 🙁

One post in Beyond3d, (one of our favorite forums of course) and this constitutes news? Getting pretty desperate I would say. Unlike you I may actually like this card once it is released.

Either you'll like it, or force yourself to. Unless ATI is the most shrewd corporation going and all this is a smoke screen and intentional misinformation leak, ATI is done short of a miracle. Even if ATI actually does deliver this card with 16pipes and superclocked, it would seem they are taking the same road Intel took with the P4. And yes, I am sad to say it and I will be throwing no parties contrary to your belief.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig
Rollo, can't you just STOP with the continual non-stop stream of anti-ATI threads? People are getting SO tired of you constantly stirring up flamefests. You sound absolutely GLEEFUL that ATI stock is down and the R520 is late. You want to know something, though?


It's bad for EVERYBODY! Nvidia and ATI consumers alike.


No direct competitor to the 7800GTX means:

1) Prices will drop much slower, if at all.
2) No incentive for Nvidia to release faster refresh/new design.
3) Less incentive for new features.
4) Less incentive for driver updates/bug fixes.


So just give it a rest already, okay?

I believe if Rollo is Gleeful, it's not because ATI is failing. It would be more likely that he is gleeful that all ATI fanatics are spinning with anger right now over a video card. The very same people who constantly thrash him for praising nvidia for the past 2 gens (6 and 7 series). So why wouldn't he be gleeful. Now I'm not putting words in his mouth and he has said nothing like this. It just makes more sense because I know he doesn't want ATI to fail. You guys can't believe that or have just conditioned yourselves not to believe it. You don't see any 7800 in my rig do you? No. I was waiting just like the rest of you to see what R520 would bring. And still waiting for at least another 2 months apparently.

EDIT: If the R520 was launched at the time the 7800GTX was launched, and the 7800GTX was delayed like the R520 is and will be, What video card do you think Rollo would have in his rig(s)?

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
EDIT: If the R520 was launched at the time the 7800GTX was launched, and the 7800GTX was delayed like the R520 is and will be, What video card do you think Rollo would have in his rig(s)?

And what would the tone be around here? Would it be so apologetic and forgiving towards NV? HAH!

All you have to do is go back to the 5800 days to see how they would act.
Some here cant even let go of those days, it was so joyful for them.

So I say rock on Rollo. Stick it right in the face of the hypocritical scumbags.

 

[Nickrand]

Originally posted by: Elcs
Im just tired waiting for a new system.

By the time I buy a new system, Nvidia will probably have its 8800 out.

The 8800? What will it be next, the nvidia 9800 series??

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Creig
Rollo, can't you just STOP with the continual non-stop stream of anti-ATI threads? People are getting SO tired of you constantly stirring up flamefests. You sound absolutely GLEEFUL that ATI stock is down and the R520 is late. You want to know something, though?


It's bad for EVERYBODY! Nvidia and ATI consumers alike.


No direct competitor to the 7800GTX means:

1) Prices will drop much slower, if at all.
2) No incentive for Nvidia to release faster refresh/new design.
3) Less incentive for new features.
4) Less incentive for driver updates/bug fixes.


So just give it a rest already, okay?

I believe if Rollo is Gleeful, it's not because ATI is failing. It would be more likely that he is gleeful that all ATI fanatics are spinning with anger right now over a video card. The very same people who constantly thrash him for praising nvidia for the past 2 gens (6 and 7 series).

You forgot the 5 series.

EDIT: If the R520 was launched at the time the 7800GTX was launched, and the 7800GTX was delayed like the R520 is and will be, What video card do you think Rollo would have in his rig(s)?

Probably 2 6800U, because it would have a "cool hardware factor" a single R520 wouldn't. Now if Crossfire was launched as well...well who knows, he'd probably still be running dual 6800U because he might claim he doesn't want to upgrade the motherboard for Crossfire R520 and/or that it wouldn't matter for the 10x7 4xAF he runs, or that he "can't tell a difference" at higher resolutions.

"Kidding" asside, Rollo has bought the fastest cards available, but he has given up the fastest for something else in the past...

 

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
NV didnt launch a new card last year when ATi did, now its reveresed. Big deal.

LOL-
Yeah nVidia fell down BIG TIME on that one!

ATI- relaunched the same core with a 10% speed bump and 5-10% more performance! Woot!

nVidia- launched SLI that totally destroyed ATIs best at features and performance on every single game.

LOL- they're still re-launching that core to this day!

Rollo,
Jesus... What exactly has to change in a core to denote a NEW core in Rollo's mind? ATI doubled the pipes with the R300 to the R420 as well as increased the speed and instruction counts for PS. nVidia increased the pipes only 50% from the 6800 to the 7800 and it's the best damn thing since sliced bread in your opinion. So is the 7800 a new core? or is Nvidia releasing last year's "crap" and getting you to buy it at a premium?

You also keep forgeting that ATI developed the entire CUSTOM Xbox360 GPU from scratch in about 12 months (remember tape out was last year) meanwhile nVidia is just slapping a hacked PC part (re-releasing te same core in your words) in the Playstation 3. ATI's never officially announced the R520's release date, you're going on web postings when you express how late they are. You also have NO idea what the reasons for any delays are. Of course you assume it's ATI's incompetence but what if other factors are to blame? nVidia blamed IBM for delays in the past...

You just keep assuming what feeds your nVidia dominating fantasy must be true. It's almost pathetic how much effort you put into trashing ATI, you need to take up golfing or something.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

EDIT: If the R520 was launched at the time the 7800GTX was launched, and the 7800GTX was delayed like the R520 is and will be, What video card do you think Rollo would have in his rig(s)?

Same card as you, a 6800 ultra as ..... the drivers are bad or donkeys and asses are really the same or shader day was really a piss off........ already read it all.

 

[VERTIGGO]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
He says its performance is higher than the GTX or Ultra, should it ever come out. How does he know?

I dont really care that its 2 more months off, other seems to like to make fun with this info though.

NV didnt launch a new card last year when ATi did, now its reveresed. Big deal.

exactly. if NV hadn't released an extremely optimised 7800 series that (as far as breakneck speed) overshadows the last generation, we wouldnt have any reason to complain about ATI's lineup. I mean how many games are there that really challenge our current flagships? Mine runs BF2 fine, and the only limitation I can think of is resolution, which is easily handled by SLI or crossfire in the near future. While i'm just as eagerly awaiting the R5s, there's no reason for me to be upset with what we have now.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
"Kidding" asside, Rollo has bought the fastest cards available, but he has given up the fastest for something else in the past...

The problem with some here is that they choose to only remember when I gave up the fastest to buy 5800s, not when I gave up the fastest to buy an ATI Rage Fury, an ATI MAXX, an ATI Radeon 32, an ATI Radeon VIVO, and an ATI 8500.

Hypocrites.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
This thread is terrible, it serves no purpose other than to provide Rollo a reason to flame on about how Nvidia is #1 and Ati sucks.

Your stratagy is getting old.

Oh noes!

Well Bouzouki, many people have been waiting patiently for the R520 since last November when ATI said it was done and would be out by June.

It seemed newsworthy that ATI told a guy at their Australia launch party that they would not be making the release dates reported to AT.

You'll have to get used to it- if they tell someone in the future they won't make their end of October launch date, I'll link to that as well. (or someone else will)

It's one of the terrible prices of free speech Bouzouki- sometimes people say things you don't like to hear, and worse yet, they don't even care if you tell them not to. 🙁

LOL

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Creig
Rollo, can't you just STOP with the continual non-stop stream of anti-ATI threads? People are getting SO tired of you constantly stirring up flamefests. You sound absolutely GLEEFUL that ATI stock is down and the R520 is late. You want to know something, though?


It's bad for EVERYBODY! Nvidia and ATI consumers alike.


No direct competitor to the 7800GTX means:

1) Prices will drop much slower, if at all.
2) No incentive for Nvidia to release faster refresh/new design.
3) Less incentive for new features.
4) Less incentive for driver updates/bug fixes.


So just give it a rest already, okay?

I believe if Rollo is Gleeful, it's not because ATI is failing. It would be more likely that he is gleeful that all ATI fanatics are spinning with anger right now over a video card. The very same people who constantly thrash him for praising nvidia for the past 2 gens (6 and 7 series).

You forgot the 5 series.

EDIT: If the R520 was launched at the time the 7800GTX was launched, and the 7800GTX was delayed like the R520 is and will be, What video card do you think Rollo would have in his rig(s)?

Probably 2 6800U, because it would have a "cool hardware factor" a single R520 wouldn't. Now if Crossfire was launched as well...well who knows, he'd probably still be running dual 6800U because he might claim he doesn't want to upgrade the motherboard for Crossfire R520 and/or that it wouldn't matter for the 10x7 4xAF he runs, or that he "can't tell a difference" at higher resolutions.

"Kidding" asside, Rollo has bought the fastest cards available, but he has given up the fastest for something else in the past...

You just made my point about conditioning. Your all like Pavlov's dogs. A Rollo post is like a dinner bell to you guys and you start salivating. The amount of assumption in your post here is staggering. "probably" this and "probably" that. What's up with that?.
6800U's in SLI is cool. You also mentioned he bought lesser cards in the past. What if a single R520 was not able to beat SLI'd 6800U's? He still would buy the R520. I would too if I had the change. Either you can't, or don't want to accept this. I am stymied.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: jasonja
Rollo,
Jesus... What exactly has to change in a core to denote a NEW core in Rollo's mind?

Jasonja, I was presuming that the person I was replying to was referring to the launch of the X850XTPE last year when they said "ATI launched a new core last year and nVidia didn't" because the nV40 was obviously much more of a "new core" launch than the X800 series.

I was pointing out that while nVidia didn't launch a refresh part in the fall like ATI, they launched something far better- SLI.

If my assumption is correct that Ackmed was referring to the X850XT PE "launch", in my mind that doesn't constitute a new core? Apparently Anand agrees with me, what are you're reasons for disagreeing? 😕
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2290

There is absolutely no architectural difference between these new chips and the original R423 on which they are based.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

EDIT: If the R520 was launched at the time the 7800GTX was launched, and the 7800GTX was delayed like the R520 is and will be, What video card do you think Rollo would have in his rig(s)?

Same card as you, a 6800 ultra as ..... the drivers are bad or donkeys and asses are really the same or shader day was really a piss off........ already read it all.

Umm, what? 😕

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

EDIT: If the R520 was launched at the time the 7800GTX was launched, and the 7800GTX was delayed like the R520 is and will be, What video card do you think Rollo would have in his rig(s)?

Same card as you, a 6800 ultra as ..... the drivers are bad or donkeys and asses are really the same or shader day was really a piss off........ already read it all.

Umm, what? 😕

I think with the Shader Day reference he's trying to divert the argument back to the old "9700 Pro was teh roxor!" argument.

ATI hasn't really done much new since then, so all ATI fans are left with is saying over and over and over again, for years, "Man that FX series sure sucked!".

It's kind of pitiful when you think about it. 🙁

BTW-

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
EDIT: If the R520 was launched at the time the 7800GTX was launched, and the 7800GTX was delayed like the R520 is and will be, What video card do you think Rollo would have in his rig(s)?

Errr, a 5800? 😉

I think we all know the answer to this, as much as they hate me, even the "Secret Anti-Rollo Club" can't deny I buy ATI cards.

 

[nRollo]

Just in!

Investor meeting with ATI CEO posted this morning

Key points:

Addressing the rampant rumours surrounding the R520 launch date, ATI stated its plan of record is to launch all three 90nm R500 desktop discrete chips (the enthusiast R520, the performance RV530, and the value RV515) in late September. The shipment dates will likely be staggered for the three chips, based on the delivery cycles from TSMC, with one likely shipping at launch date and the other two within the first half of October.

This re-affirms the AT article, conflicts with report from Australia launch, and confirms the R520 may be a paper launch. (given that inventory will be lowest for that part given yield issues)

In terms of performance, ATI believes the R520 should exceed the GeForce 7800 GTX in benchmark tests if it can get the proper clock speed, but recognizes that NVIDIA has some headroom to overclock the GeForce 7800 clock speeds.

So they're basically depending on the yield of enough chips that will OC high enough to compete with a reference 7800GTX? Meh. There are already several 7800GTXs stock clocked far above reference, and ATI is hoping to beat reference at this stage of the game?!

This is what we've been waiting for? To comparison shop a product that may well launch slower than cards that have been on the market for months? So much for "ATI wouldn't dare launch a slower card"- if their CEO is telling investors the only way it will be faster is if they can get yield on maximum OCable parts, you know all is not well with the R520.

The tales of the R520 being ATIs 5800 are looking more and more accurate. Tough break for all who bought stock and posted "Teh R520 will ownzorz and make your bed in the morning too!".

 

[biostud]

If ATi hasn't launched anything two weeks into september, or put up actual launch dates I will be very tempted to get a 7800GTX.

 

[Keysplayr]

I does in fact seem like this transistion was too much for ATI engineers to handle.
I'm sure ATI wanted to double the pipes to 32, add SM3.0 and other modern features, but it was just too big of a jump from the R480. They really needed to purchase another ArtX type company to get this job done. So, I think they did give the R520 SM3.0 and newer features, but the extra pipes were given second priority. Who knows?
Going straight to 90nm probably wasn't by choice, but by necessity for high clocks. And low-K was not even a consideration, but a given.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: biostud
If ATi hasn't launched anything two weeks into september, or put up actual launch dates I will be very tempted to get a 7800GTX.

I'd get the XFX 490/1300 one.

The R520 won't be launched Sept 14. They probably won't have even decided on a clock speed by then.