Originally posted by: sao123
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Everyone who claims that we should not believe in the existance of a God because we cannot offer any evidence supporting any claim about him should consider this:
String theory claims that there are some 7 odd dimentions that exist in addition to our 4 we live in -in spacetime. We have no evidence they exist except a mathmatical model which their existance seems to solve certain "problems" with our previous models of space, time & gravity. Our best scientists & mathematicians cannot even test this theory let alone prove it in any evidence providing manner, yet we still believe it is true.
It is impossible to prove the existance of a God, until you experience him. In order to experience him, it is a requirement to have faith to believe that he exists. Who knows, maybe he lives in one of those 7 undiscovered dimentions.
Let me put forth the following hypothesis then. Since you say there is no scientific way to prove that God exists. But, what if there is a God and the only way to find out if he exists is to exercise faith that he exists. And, God is waiting for you to try to exercise a little faith even though it flies in the face of scientific logic. You don't ever try, what would be your answer when you face God after you die and he asks why you didn't exercise even a small amount of faith in him?
I would say, "In case you weren't aware, you gave me 5 senses. None of them indicated that you existed. Sorry."
He gave you an imagination - the ability to think & reason above and beyond the limited abilities of your senses. I mean, you do believe in other things that you cannot experience with your 5 senses. Right?
I'm must be one of those non-rabid atheists. I don't require proof that god exists, I just need some good evidence.
What would you accept as evidence? Not that I really care. I have no desire to save anyone's soul, as I believe that people can only save themselves, both in this life and any life later (if that exists). I'm just wondering what you would require. I imagine it would be something impossible, and thus would simply demonstrate an immature close-minded attitude.
Isn't one of the premises of Christianity that God is omnipotent? (I haven't been to church in eight years, but I'm pretty sure I remember at least that much )
If so, then would it really be that unreasonable to expect something otherwise considered "impossible", as far as proof that he exists?
If God did excercise something impossible/miracle that every one witessed one of two things would occur. The first, which probably happens a lot anyway, is that people who are obssessed atheists would simply attempt to rationalize the nonrational and would draw a conclusion they were comfortable with.
I was once pretty close to being aethiestic.
Call it heresay if you like, But I have personally whitnessed a few of such maracles. But no-one is going to believe it because I say it.
The only way to prove it enough to believe in it (just like for myself) is to truely experience it. On 3 occasions, unexplainable(by logical terms, but explainable through prayer to God) things have happened to people at my church (currently or previously).
1)One of my friends from the past named Jason. He was injured in a ATV accident, where he drove himself into an invisible wire clothsline. the impact crushed his larynix and shattered the vibrational bones entirely. the doctors performed 3 surgeries to reconstruct his throat. They said he'd never talk again because half his voicebox is missing. Not more than 6 months later he had a full recovery. His voice was as good as new, full range singing. The doctors were amazed and said this could only be the work of a God.
2)An elderly man I know was in a car accident. He was paralized from the waist down. Spinal cord completely severed. The doctors said he would never walk or have feeling in his legs again. Once again, this man is walking today completely healed.
3)Even, I myself believe I was miraculuosly healed through prayer 2 years ago. I had been sick & urinating blood for a while, and went to the Nephrologist. I was diagnosed as having near Kidney failure. They did sample testings, & a tissue biopsy. I was suffering from a degenerative kidney disease, and there was no cure, no treatments available... soon I would be doomed to a life of dialysis 4 days a week. I went to a healing service at my church. I immediately felt better. I had a followup appointment a few weeks later. My Kidneys were restored from 15% working to 100% working. I never had 1 dialisys appontment. Since then I have had yearly kidney testing & have been trouble free. This disease didnt just go into dormant stage, it was completely gone. Every last trace.
You dont see the evidence in maracles because you fail to believe. and you fail to believe because you do not see the evidence... (Chicken and the Egg Cycle?) It is up to you to take the first step. If your awaiting God to reveal himself to you, your going to be waiting a long time.
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