Atheism in a year

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Gurck
One of the biggest problems facing religion's credibility is the complete lack of evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities.

This is why it's called "faith".
There's no supporting evidence that the sun will come up tomorrow, either.
I suppose the sun lacks credibility, eh?
Before I got my first piece of ass, I had no evidence it would happen. I had faith that it would, and it did.
I think it's extremely arrogant of humans to assume that they can understand everything.
That's in the face of MILLENIA of evidence that we don't know everything, and understand only part of what we know.
It's something of a contradiction to assume something doesn't exist because we can't see it or apply numbers to it.
I can feel it. That's enough for me. I don't understand it, nor do I need to.
I also believe I'll get another piece of ass someday. Oh, I think the sun will come up tomorrow, too.
As a qualifier, I don't have a religion. I just have God.

Yes, there is. The sun has come up every day of your life. Bad example

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Gurck
One of the biggest problems facing religion's credibility is the complete lack of evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities.

This is why it's called "faith".
There's no supporting evidence that the sun will come up tomorrow, either.
I suppose the sun lacks credibility, eh?
Before I got my first piece of ass, I had no evidence it would happen. I had faith that it would, and it did.
I think it's extremely arrogant of humans to assume that they can understand everything.
That's in the face of MILLENIA of evidence that we don't know everything, and understand only part of what we know.
It's something of a contradiction to assume something doesn't exist because we can't see it or apply numbers to it.
I can feel it. That's enough for me. I don't understand it, nor do I need to.
I also believe I'll get another piece of ass someday. Oh, I think the sun will come up tomorrow, too.
As a qualifier, I don't have a religion. I just have God.

i try to tell people that all the time, but they skip over it and keep arguing because they know it is the end of the arguement and they are wrong.

we have a limit to our mental capabilities, just like fish, frogs, turkeys, and anything else that has a nervous system. every organism capable of logic and reason can only understand so much. when we try to understand God, its like trying to make your dog do Boolean Algebra. it just wont work. it is beyond its ability.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Gurck
One of the biggest problems facing religion's credibility is the complete lack of evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities.

This is why it's called "faith".
There's no supporting evidence that the sun will come up tomorrow, either.
I suppose the sun lacks credibility, eh?
Before I got my first piece of ass, I had no evidence it would happen. I had faith that it would, and it did.
I think it's extremely arrogant of humans to assume that they can understand everything.
That's in the face of MILLENIA of evidence that we don't know everything, and understand only part of what we know.
It's something of a contradiction to assume something doesn't exist because we can't see it or apply numbers to it.
I can feel it. That's enough for me. I don't understand it, nor do I need to.
I also believe I'll get another piece of ass someday. Oh, I think the sun will come up tomorrow, too.
As a qualifier, I don't have a religion. I just have God.

Yes, there is. The sun has come up every day of your life. Bad example

wrong. just because your heart beats every day of your life doesnt mean it cant suddenly stop one day. try again.

edit: and before you pull the cholesterol card, the sun could just as easily explode/implode/change physically/chemically as our heart is to encounter a problem. both can happen without notice, so his arguement is perfectly valid.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Wow, you are really really stupid (now I'm attacking you) Hitler thought the Jews were the scourge of Germany that they were a lower form of being than Arayans. What defines a Jewish person??? Hmm...let me think about this for a minute...RELIGION!!! Yes, I knew it would come to me.

:roll: Being Jewish is an ethnicity. Their religion is simply one part of their culture, and a part that not all of them share.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Gurck
One of the biggest problems facing religion's credibility is the complete lack of evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities.

This is why it's called "faith".
There's no supporting evidence that the sun will come up tomorrow, either.
I suppose the sun lacks credibility, eh?
Before I got my first piece of ass, I had no evidence it would happen. I had faith that it would, and it did.
I think it's extremely arrogant of humans to assume that they can understand everything.
That's in the face of MILLENIA of evidence that we don't know everything, and understand only part of what we know.
It's something of a contradiction to assume something doesn't exist because we can't see it or apply numbers to it.
I can feel it. That's enough for me. I don't understand it, nor do I need to.
I also believe I'll get another piece of ass someday. Oh, I think the sun will come up tomorrow, too.
As a qualifier, I don't have a religion. I just have God.

Yes, there is. The sun has come up every day of your life. Bad example

wrong. just because your heart beats every day of your life doesnt mean it cant suddenly stop one day. try again.

edit: and before you pull the cholesterol card, the sun could just as easily explode/implode/change physically/chemically as our heart is to encounter a problem. both can happen without notice, so his arguement is perfectly valid.

Of course both can happen without notice. But his point was that there was NO EVIDENCE that the sun would come up tomorrow. There is evidence because it has happened every day in recorded history. It is not a certainty, but it is a reasonable assumption.

 

[UbiSunt]

The majority of Jews who were murdered during the Holocaust were not religious, at least not devout. Read Marion Kaplan's "The Making of the Jewish Class" and she explains the development of a secular Jewish identity. Hitler's two major excuses were the communist threat concerning the proposed association with Jews and a twisted form of pseudoscience based mostly on eugenics. Therefore it was race and politics. Or science (albeit twisted) and the application of Darwin's theory into politics. So should scientists be responsible?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: TheBDB
Of course both can happen without notice. But his point was that there was NO EVIDENCE that the sun would come up tomorrow. There is evidence because it has happened every day in recorded history. It is not a certainty, but it is a reasonable assumption.

That is not evidence, except insofar as to establish a rather high statistical likelihood. So it's debatable. It might not though, yaknow

I think the whole "complete lack of evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities" is a crock anyway. I'm very certain that if the existence of God was proven beyond all doubt that the rabid atheists would still deny it. And some might argue vice versa with the fundies, right? But that only proves my point even more. Our individual realities doesn't exist very far past our noses, and we have a habit of seeing only what we want to see...

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: TheBDB
Of course both can happen without notice. But his point was that there was NO EVIDENCE that the sun would come up tomorrow. There is evidence because it has happened every day in recorded history. It is not a certainty, but it is a reasonable assumption.

That is not evidence, except insofar as to establish a rather high statistical likelihood. So it's debatable. It might not though, yaknow

I think the whole "complete lack of evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities" is a crock anyway. I'm very certain that if the existence of God was proven beyond all doubt that the rabid atheists would still deny it. And some might argue vice versa with the fundies, right? But that only proves my point even more. Our individual realities doesn't exist very far past our noses, and we have a habit of seeing only what we want to see...

I'm must be one of those non-rabid atheists. I don't require proof that god exists, I just need some good evidence.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: TheBDB
I'm must be one of those non-rabid atheists. I don't require proof that god exists, I just need some good evidence.

What would you accept as evidence? Not that I really care. I have no desire to save anyone's soul, as I believe that people can only save themselves, both in this life and any life later (if that exists). I'm just wondering what you would require. I imagine it would be something impossible, and thus would simply demonstrate an immature close-minded attitude.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Well your thesis lacks any evidence to support it. In fact, there are lots of instances of evidence supporting the belief in God, all across the world. There has been a scientific study on prayer which shows there is a part of the brain only activated through prayer.

The biggest issue with people like yourself is you never look for the evidence so assume it doesn't exist.[/quote]You've gotta be joking. LOL only activated thorugh prayer[/quote]I doubt just through prayer, but there are parts of the brain active during meditative tasks and psychic functioning that are otherwise dormant.

Also, the validity of prayer has little to do with religion .

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: TheBDB
I'm must be one of those non-rabid atheists. I don't require proof that god exists, I just need some good evidence.

What would you accept as evidence? Not that I really care. I have no desire to save anyone's soul, as I believe that people can only save themselves, both in this life and any life later (if that exists). I'm just wondering what you would require. I imagine it would be something impossible, and thus would simply demonstrate an immature close-minded attitude.

Why the subtle hostility?

Hmmm, examples of evidence....god talking to me, god appearing before me, miracles commonly happeneing, etc. None of these things are impossible. Just something.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: TheBDB
I'm must be one of those non-rabid atheists. I don't require proof that god exists, I just need some good evidence.

What would you accept as evidence? Not that I really care. I have no desire to save anyone's soul, as I believe that people can only save themselves, both in this life and any life later (if that exists). I'm just wondering what you would require. I imagine it would be something impossible, and thus would simply demonstrate an immature close-minded attitude.

Isn't one of the premises of Christianity that God is omnipotent? (I haven't been to church in eight years, but I'm pretty sure I remember at least that much )

If so, then would it really be that unreasonable to expect something otherwise considered "impossible", as far as proof that he exists?

I'm not even sure which side of this argument I'm on, this is just something I thought of when I read your comment.

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: TheBDB
I'm must be one of those non-rabid atheists. I don't require proof that god exists, I just need some good evidence.

What would you accept as evidence? Not that I really care. I have no desire to save anyone's soul, as I believe that people can only save themselves, both in this life and any life later (if that exists). I'm just wondering what you would require. I imagine it would be something impossible, and thus would simply demonstrate an immature close-minded attitude.

With god aren't all things possible? The least he could do was throw some evidence at us. And since nothing with god is impossible, i would require evidence that MAKES SENSE. Just my thoughts....

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: MechJinx

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Religion helps the weak minded deal with their own mortality.

Nice troll comment.

I could say the same for atheists, they refuse to belive in God so they don't have to deal with the possibility of there being consequences to their choices here on earth. hehe j/k Sorry for feeding the troll....

Atheists are people too and are free to have their beliefs much as I am allowed to have my beliefs in God.

If you aren't gonna make an intelligent post, don't post at all.

The problem with that argument is that it assumes athiests do not have children. If they do, then that argument is useless.

 

[UbiSunt]

If God did excercise something impossible/miracle that every one witessed one of two things would occur. The first, which probably happens a lot anyway, is that people who are obssessed atheists would simply attempt to rationalize the nonrational and would draw a conclusion they were comfortable with. How many people remember things the way they would like to, even when their friends remember something totally different. That group would simply believe what they wanted. Second, God can't MAKE people believe. That's what you call free will.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Religion helps the weak minded deal with their own mortality.

That's not true at all. Only a suicidal fool does not fear his mortality to some extent.

Religion exists for exactly the valuable reason that Gurck said it did. It gives otherwise short-sighted people (which is almost everyone if you think about it) a reason to make necessary short-term sacrifices in order to acheive necessary long-term gains. It asks people to think outside themselves and their petty wants and focus on the greater good of the whole. Why do you think that the symbol of virtually all religions for thousands of years was the ritual sacrifice? That first-born sheep (typical the strongest of the herd) that the herder sacrificed could have fed his family and put clothes on his back, but he sacrificed it believing that God would reward him with an greater flock.
Then look at the teachings of Jesus, where He asked people to expand this philosphy into being kind and giving to everyone. "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12, NIV). In essense, He was asking people to sacrifice their short-term negative and destructive emotions in order to acheive the long-term gain of peace and love on earth for everyone.

And you wonder why they killed him off so quickly...

Now... look at our evil work today, with short-sighted greed and pettiness and destruction, and ask yourself what the "atheists" have gained for us in sacrificing the religious teachings of the ancients.

Er, what have the religious gained, in creating all of this? Most of the world is Christian. Most people in power are Christian. They sacrificed the good teachings of their own messiah for short-term profit.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Religion helps the weak minded deal with their own mortality.

That's not true at all. Only a suicidal fool does not fear his mortality to some extent.

Religion exists for exactly the valuable reason that Gurck said it did. It gives otherwise short-sighted people (which is almost everyone if you think about it) a reason to make necessary short-term sacrifices in order to acheive necessary long-term gains. It asks people to think outside themselves and their petty wants and focus on the greater good of the whole. Why do you think that the symbol of virtually all religions for thousands of years was the ritual sacrifice? That first-born sheep (typical the strongest of the herd) that the herder sacrificed could have fed his family and put clothes on his back, but he sacrificed it believing that God would reward him with an greater flock.
Then look at the teachings of Jesus, where He asked people to expand this philosphy into being kind and giving to everyone. "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12, NIV). In essense, He was asking people to sacrifice their short-term negative and destructive emotions in order to acheive the long-term gain of peace and love on earth for everyone.

And you wonder why they killed him off so quickly...

Now... look at our evil work today, with short-sighted greed and pettiness and destruction, and ask yourself what the "atheists" have gained for us in sacrificing the religious teachings of the ancients.

Er, what have the religious gained, in creating all of this? Most of the world is Christian. Most people in power are Christian. They sacrificed the good teachings of their own messiah for short-term profit.

bullsh!t. you know nothing of Jesus and his followers if you can make such an ignorant statement. just because some people claim to be christian and use it for their own personal gain does not mean they really believe in it. its called lying, and most people in power do it unfortunately.

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

True he can't force anyone to believe, but if the evidence was out there and it made sense then I believe most atheists (the smart ones anyway) would accept it. I think that because they do not believe to begin with because of that fact, lack of evidence. Surely I wouldn't be the only one converted(if sufficient evidence was provided).....would I?

 

[meltdown75]

the link i posted here contains some very interesting philosophical / religious / "etc" material for anyone who is interested in some great e-reading.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Gurck
One of the biggest problems facing religion's credibility is the complete lack of evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities.

This is why it's called "faith".
There's no supporting evidence that the sun will come up tomorrow, either.
I suppose the sun lacks credibility, eh?
Before I got my first piece of ass, I had no evidence it would happen. I had faith that it would, and it did.
I think it's extremely arrogant of humans to assume that they can understand everything.
That's in the face of MILLENIA of evidence that we don't know everything, and understand only part of what we know.
It's something of a contradiction to assume something doesn't exist because we can't see it or apply numbers to it.
I can feel it. That's enough for me. I don't understand it, nor do I need to.
I also believe I'll get another piece of ass someday. Oh, I think the sun will come up tomorrow, too.
As a qualifier, I don't have a religion. I just have God.

i try to tell people that all the time, but they skip over it and keep arguing because they know it is the end of the arguement and they are wrong.

we have a limit to our mental capabilities, just like fish, frogs, turkeys, and anything else that has a nervous system. every organism capable of logic and reason can only understand so much. when we try to understand God, its like trying to make your dog do Boolean Algebra. it just wont work. it is beyond its ability.

Yet where is the limit? To try to understand God is to try to understand one's self and non-self. Yes, we have limited mental capabilities--there are only so many neurons to go around. However, no one that we know of that is alive has reached their potential, and only a few ever try.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Religion helps the weak minded deal with their own mortality.

That's not true at all. Only a suicidal fool does not fear his mortality to some extent.

Religion exists for exactly the valuable reason that Gurck said it did. It gives otherwise short-sighted people (which is almost everyone if you think about it) a reason to make necessary short-term sacrifices in order to acheive necessary long-term gains. It asks people to think outside themselves and their petty wants and focus on the greater good of the whole. Why do you think that the symbol of virtually all religions for thousands of years was the ritual sacrifice? That first-born sheep (typical the strongest of the herd) that the herder sacrificed could have fed his family and put clothes on his back, but he sacrificed it believing that God would reward him with an greater flock.
Then look at the teachings of Jesus, where He asked people to expand this philosphy into being kind and giving to everyone. "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12, NIV). In essense, He was asking people to sacrifice their short-term negative and destructive emotions in order to acheive the long-term gain of peace and love on earth for everyone.

And you wonder why they killed him off so quickly...

Now... look at our evil work today, with short-sighted greed and pettiness and destruction, and ask yourself what the "atheists" have gained for us in sacrificing the religious teachings of the ancients.

Er, what have the religious gained, in creating all of this? Most of the world is Christian. Most people in power are Christian. They sacrificed the good teachings of their own messiah for short-term profit.

bullsh!t. you know nothing of Jesus and his followers if you can make such an ignorant statement. just because some people claim to be christian and use it for their own personal gain does not mean they really believe in it. its called lying, and most people in power do it unfortunately.

No, not bullsh!t. If you want to call millions of people that are that way 'not Christian', especially in a thread directly related to them, you must qualify them as not being Christian. Many such people over the years have been part of the gorup making policy for major Christian sects.

Oh, and it is not merely lying. It is rampant betrayal through PR.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Gurck
One of the biggest problems facing religion's credibility is the complete lack of evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities.

This is why it's called "faith".
There's no supporting evidence that the sun will come up tomorrow, either.
I suppose the sun lacks credibility, eh?
Before I got my first piece of ass, I had no evidence it would happen. I had faith that it would, and it did.
I think it's extremely arrogant of humans to assume that they can understand everything.
That's in the face of MILLENIA of evidence that we don't know everything, and understand only part of what we know.
It's something of a contradiction to assume something doesn't exist because we can't see it or apply numbers to it.
I can feel it. That's enough for me. I don't understand it, nor do I need to.
I also believe I'll get another piece of ass someday. Oh, I think the sun will come up tomorrow, too.
As a qualifier, I don't have a religion. I just have God.

i try to tell people that all the time, but they skip over it and keep arguing because they know it is the end of the arguement and they are wrong.

we have a limit to our mental capabilities, just like fish, frogs, turkeys, and anything else that has a nervous system. every organism capable of logic and reason can only understand so much. when we try to understand God, its like trying to make your dog do Boolean Algebra. it just wont work. it is beyond its ability.

Yet where is the limit? To try to understand God is to try to understand one's self and non-self. Yes, we have limited mental capabilities--there are only so many neurons to go around. However, no one that we know of that is alive has reached their potential, and only a few ever try.

you dont quite understand what our capacity to understand logic really means. simply using all of our neurons has nothing to do with it. that is our storage space. there is like 100 billion billion permutations of neural connections in our brain, so no one will even get close to using it all. that means nothing in terms of logic, though. people with down syndrome typically can not understand school material at an advanced level, yet they have the same number (roughly) of neurons. their mental capability was severely diminished. much in the same way can we relate ourselves, in full health, to animals trying to understand complex concepts. things out of our grasp are simply beyond our mental capability.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Religion helps the weak minded deal with their own mortality.

That's not true at all. Only a suicidal fool does not fear his mortality to some extent.

Religion exists for exactly the valuable reason that Gurck said it did. It gives otherwise short-sighted people (which is almost everyone if you think about it) a reason to make necessary short-term sacrifices in order to acheive necessary long-term gains. It asks people to think outside themselves and their petty wants and focus on the greater good of the whole. Why do you think that the symbol of virtually all religions for thousands of years was the ritual sacrifice? That first-born sheep (typical the strongest of the herd) that the herder sacrificed could have fed his family and put clothes on his back, but he sacrificed it believing that God would reward him with an greater flock.
Then look at the teachings of Jesus, where He asked people to expand this philosphy into being kind and giving to everyone. "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12, NIV). In essense, He was asking people to sacrifice their short-term negative and destructive emotions in order to acheive the long-term gain of peace and love on earth for everyone.

And you wonder why they killed him off so quickly...

Now... look at our evil work today, with short-sighted greed and pettiness and destruction, and ask yourself what the "atheists" have gained for us in sacrificing the religious teachings of the ancients.

Er, what have the religious gained, in creating all of this? Most of the world is Christian. Most people in power are Christian. They sacrificed the good teachings of their own messiah for short-term profit.

bullsh!t. you know nothing of Jesus and his followers if you can make such an ignorant statement. just because some people claim to be christian and use it for their own personal gain does not mean they really believe in it. its called lying, and most people in power do it unfortunately.

No, not bullsh!t. If you want to call millions of people that are that way 'not Christian', especially in a thread directly related to them, you must qualify them as not being Christian. Many such people over the years have been part of the gorup making policy for major Christian sects.

Oh, and it is not merely lying. It is rampant betrayal through PR.

you cant just call them non-christian because you can never know who does and doesnt believe, but i bet a lot of people, even the ones making decisions high on the ladder, are using it to gain support and nothing else. its brutal, but i would have to hear it from them myself to believe otherwise. lying is just too easy for people to get away with and that is really taken advantage of.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Religion helps the weak minded deal with their own mortality.

That's not true at all. Only a suicidal fool does not fear his mortality to some extent.

Religion exists for exactly the valuable reason that Gurck said it did. It gives otherwise short-sighted people (which is almost everyone if you think about it) a reason to make necessary short-term sacrifices in order to acheive necessary long-term gains. It asks people to think outside themselves and their petty wants and focus on the greater good of the whole. Why do you think that the symbol of virtually all religions for thousands of years was the ritual sacrifice? That first-born sheep (typical the strongest of the herd) that the herder sacrificed could have fed his family and put clothes on his back, but he sacrificed it believing that God would reward him with an greater flock.
Then look at the teachings of Jesus, where He asked people to expand this philosphy into being kind and giving to everyone. "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12, NIV). In essense, He was asking people to sacrifice their short-term negative and destructive emotions in order to acheive the long-term gain of peace and love on earth for everyone.

And you wonder why they killed him off so quickly...

Now... look at our evil work today, with short-sighted greed and pettiness and destruction, and ask yourself what the "atheists" have gained for us in sacrificing the religious teachings of the ancients.

Er, what have the religious gained, in creating all of this? Most of the world is Christian. Most people in power are Christian. They sacrificed the good teachings of their own messiah for short-term profit.

bullsh!t. you know nothing of Jesus and his followers if you can make such an ignorant statement. just because some people claim to be christian and use it for their own personal gain does not mean they really believe in it. its called lying, and most people in power do it unfortunately.

No, not bullsh!t. If you want to call millions of people that are that way 'not Christian', especially in a thread directly related to them, you must qualify them as not being Christian. Many such people over the years have been part of the gorup making policy for major Christian sects.

Oh, and it is not merely lying. It is rampant betrayal through PR.

you cant just call them non-christian because you can never know who does and doesnt believe, but i bet a lot of people, even the ones making decisions high on the ladder, are using it to gain support and nothing else. its brutal, but i would have to hear it from them myself to believe otherwise. lying is just too easy for people to get away with and that is really taken advantage of.

At the same time, you can't fully say they don't believe, and aren't trying to do what they see as the right thing. In that regard, there must be qualifications for separating them from people are not like them, but also say they follow the same god and similar sets of teachings.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Gurck
One of the biggest problems facing religion's credibility is the complete lack of evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities.

This is why it's called "faith".
There's no supporting evidence that the sun will come up tomorrow, either.
I suppose the sun lacks credibility, eh?
Before I got my first piece of ass, I had no evidence it would happen. I had faith that it would, and it did.
I think it's extremely arrogant of humans to assume that they can understand everything.
That's in the face of MILLENIA of evidence that we don't know everything, and understand only part of what we know.
It's something of a contradiction to assume something doesn't exist because we can't see it or apply numbers to it.
I can feel it. That's enough for me. I don't understand it, nor do I need to.
I also believe I'll get another piece of ass someday. Oh, I think the sun will come up tomorrow, too.
As a qualifier, I don't have a religion. I just have God.

i try to tell people that all the time, but they skip over it and keep arguing because they know it is the end of the arguement and they are wrong.

we have a limit to our mental capabilities, just like fish, frogs, turkeys, and anything else that has a nervous system. every organism capable of logic and reason can only understand so much. when we try to understand God, its like trying to make your dog do Boolean Algebra. it just wont work. it is beyond its ability.

Yet where is the limit? To try to understand God is to try to understand one's self and non-self. Yes, we have limited mental capabilities--there are only so many neurons to go around. However, no one that we know of that is alive has reached their potential, and only a few ever try.

you dont quite understand what our capacity to understand logic really means. simply using all of our neurons has nothing to do with it. that is our storage space. there is like 100 billion billion permutations of neural connections in our brain, so no one will even get close to using it all. that means nothing in terms of logic, though. people with down syndrome typically can not understand school material at an advanced level, yet they have the same number (roughly) of neurons. their mental capability was severely diminished. much in the same way can we relate ourselves, in full health, to animals trying to understand complex concepts. things out of our grasp are simply beyond our mental capability.

You also misunderstand what I am talking about. It has little to do with complex logic
We can make prayers come true. It's not some external God doing it--it is us (otherwise, prayer being part of pretty much all religions makes no sense at all).
We can percieve distant places, and even people. Do some googling on CRV.
Yet such things are ignored. What would happen if the people, in large numbers accepted this, and studied these things, then used that time of study as a platform to teach children, whose minds would not then grow up with such walls in place, and with good control of their mental faculties?

The many permutations are part of diversity. Wheil there are retards as a balance to super-athlete-genius folks, we are all slightly different for natural advancement, that we each have different perceptions of the universe. This should be embraced and used for our advancement, rather than wars over natural resources.

On mental capacity, though...who, in 1000BC would have thought we would have gotten the understanding of all things necessary to send men to the freaking moon? Mental capacity will grow if we put necessary challenges in place through the generations.