AT World of Warcraft Thread (Cataclysm, Where do you play, General BS and all that)

[Scotteq]

Tried Cho'gall last night and the fight itself is fun except I have no understanding of reason to the worship mechanic. I think this may take over as the dumbest mechanic in a fight I can think of to date.

I play a Warlock and had a blast on the attempts. I have been trying to recruit people to expand our 10 man to a 25 man but wow, it is hard to get ranged DPS and healers. Everyone in our guild has a tank, 5 man heroics are so quick most of the time.

Stuns, Silences, and Interrupts for Worship.

 

[1ceHacka]

Would it be wise to spend the Valor points I've been saving on for Tier 11 gloves with the impending patch 4.1 around the corner? I'm a warrior tank who doesn't raid due to schedule conflicts with my guild, but I'd probably do it if they went on the weekend sometime. I run Baradin Hold every week but I never get the drops as I'm just unlucky. All of my gear is at least ilevel 346 or above from running all the heroics repeatedly with some 359's (Icebone Hauberk, Elementium Earthguard, Hardened Elementium Girdle, Wrap of Great Turtle, Sandguard Bracers) thrown in.

I don't think we can say that 4.1 is "right around the corner." It could be a while before we see it.

 

[jhbball]

lol. Spell Reflect changed to 25 second cd? PVE fixes ruin PVP.

 

[Anubis]

small price to pay for PVP fixes fucking over PVE for the past 4 years

 

[jhbball]

small price to pay for PVP fixes fucking over PVE for the past 4 years

What's an example of being "fucked over" in PVE? Being knocked down several places on the damage meter? Being forced to use a certain type of tank over another?

 

[Anubis]

its not just damage think of any class, almost any spell chances are it has been nerfed or completely changed because of PVP

MS
Fear
stuns
immunites
class defining mechanics
...

all fucked over because of PVP, specifically Arena.

 

[jhbball]

its not just damage think of any class, almost any spell chances are it has been nerfed or completely changed because of PVP

MS
Fear
stuns
immunites
class defining mechanics
...

all fucked over because of PVP, specifically Arena.

I'd argue that changes to all of the above abilities (outside of damage, tanking, and healing power) are much less consequential in PVE scenario. But I see your point.

 

[Anubis]

right but its still a major annoyance and as a warlock i'm eternally bitter

fear has been nerfed so much (applies to SPs as well) at this point that they might as well just remove it from the game. Fear glyph made is usable again in PVE but i miss the days of being able to fear in PVE for 40 seconds while having dots rolling. i miss running the succy and CCing 3 targets with seduce and fear bouncing 2 like ping pong balls with COE and COR

they removed COR

our self healing has been hit at least twice now because of PVP, totally broke affliction mass dot pulling for farming and leveling. Fel armor sucks now. however will get slightly better as damage ramps up as content progresses

chaos bolt does nothing it was originally designed for

conflag did more damage at level 80 then it does now

succubus is a better pet for demo then the FG - however im not sure why they nerfed him last patch. no one PVPs as demo

 

[RatboyX]

Spirit Beasts offer no extra DPS over any other exotic pet or really any other ferocity pet. When I play BM I carry: Core Hound for BL/30% slow, Shale Spider for kings, Silithid for Fort, Raptor for sunder armor, and Devilsaur for 5% crit in that order. IF all of those are covered I use my corehoud raptor or devilsaur because Ferocity pets are ahead in DPS as BM right now.

Outside of pet talents no pet has more dps than another. Bring a spirit beast if you need Agility and Strength buff or your raid doesn't need a buff from you.

(All of my pet choices change based on our raid comp for the evening thats my not knowing whos going to be there setup)

Actually I feel the Agility/Strength buff ups the damage quite a bit. Also the Spirit Mend ability helps keep the little guy ticking through some tough fights making it one of the more survivable Ferocity pets. As so much of a BM DPS depends on the pet the added survivability is a big plus.

It for sure puts out more DPS than any Tenacity pet I’ve come across, though I LOVE my shale spider for soloing.

I do need to look at adding a Silithid a Raptor and a Devilsaur to my stable.

 

[zokudu]

Actually I feel the Agility/Strength buff ups the damage quite a bit. Also the Spirit Mend ability helps keep the little guy ticking through some tough fights making it one of the more survivable Ferocity pets. As so much of a BM DPS depends on the pet the added survivability is a big plus.

It for sure puts out more DPS than any Tenacity pet I’ve come across, though I LOVE my shale spider for soloing.

I do need to look at adding a Silithid a Raptor and a Devilsaur to my stable.

Well it does and its the most valuable personal DPS buff if its not already present. Spirit mend is very true but I would still take a better not present raid buff over having it. Also while it puts out more than a tenacity pet the only Tenacity pet worth using ever is a shale spider. Any Ferocity pet will deal the same DPS with the same raid buffs. It all comes down to the buffs they provide.

 

[1ceHacka]

no one PVPs as demo

Demo was pretty popular at the start of the season before some of the nerfs. The damage output of demo was much higher than aff. While aff is now the arena spec, it still seems very sub-par. Aff dots tick for little to nothing now.

 

[Anubis]

yes aff is def subpar dmg output in arena.
also UA is an afterthought now. back at 70 when it hit you for 9k when you dispelled it and you only had 12k HP it was great. now people simply ignore it cause it actually hits for less yet we have 120k + HP

 

[Josh123]

If anyone else hates PvP at 85 they should level up a toon to 70 and lock it. I've been having so much more fun with my druid twinked at 70. Not near as many CC's as there are at 85 so it's actually enjoyable.

 

[RatboyX]

Well it does and its the most valuable personal DPS buff if its not already present. Spirit mend is very true but I would still take a better not present raid buff over having it. Also while it puts out more than a tenacity pet the only Tenacity pet worth using ever is a shale spider. Any Ferocity pet will deal the same DPS with the same raid buffs. It all comes down to the buffs they provide.

Humm well perhaps I’m just getting better at my priorities in a fight because this pet appears to be doing better damage than the previous Ferocity pets I used. I don’t know what to tell you.

Good lord could it be that I’m actually starting not to suck as a CATA raid hunter and my pets damage is showing an increase? NAH can’t be that, must be the pet.

The Shale Spider is the only tenacity pet I’m currently using in groups. The funny thing is I didn’t research the pros and cons of that pet I just thought it looked cool so I tamed it. After I ran with it for a while solo I realized it was viable for groups in the right circumstances. For the most part though any buffs I bring to our 10 man runs ends up being redundant, it’s mostly on the five man heroics that they come in handy.

 

[polarmystery]

I went ahead and purchased the t11 gloves with my valor regardless of the impending patch (I really hope they don't drop running BH today). If they get demoted to JP's might as well. I'm just hoping that the drops from the new heroics have some tanking gear so I can stop rolling around in heroic gear. I'm not looking forward to the spell reflect cool down nerf from 10s to 25s Makes tanking spell casters from a distance a PITA.

 

[polarmystery]

dp

 

[RatboyX]

You know the word I’m hearing, and take this for the pile of steaming dog poop that rumors can turn out to be, is that Blizzard isn’t planning more than a couple of content patches for Cata and that they are looking for a complete new expansion in about a years time. That would sort of be logical as many of the changes they implemented in Cata were, by Blizzards own admission, intended to make developing new content faster.

Also new “expansions” generate a lot of buzz and subscriptions which equates to MONEY for Blizzard, content patches not so much. If I had to bet on what Blizzard is going to do I would go with the option that generates the most money every time. It is after all a business to them even if it’s an entertainment to us.

 

[cronos]

Yes, Cataclysm has been long rumored to be only an 18 months or so worth of expansion (instead of the usual 2 years+). This is the formula they're going to go for the subsequent expansions as well.

 

[polarmystery]

Yes, Cataclysm has been long rumored to be only an 18 months or so worth of expansion (instead of the usual 2 years+). This is the formula they're going to go for the subsequent expansions as well.

Isn't there a chart floating around somewhere that shows them releasing two more expansions by 2k13 or something?

 

[cronos]

Isn't there a chart floating around somewhere that shows them releasing two more expansions by 2k13 or something?

Yeah that chart seemed to confirm the rumors of shorter expansion cycle for WoW. IIRC it shows the 4th expansion to be released in the middle of 2012 and the 5th expansion to be released by the end of 2013.

 

[zokudu]

Humm well perhaps I’m just getting better at my priorities in a fight because this pet appears to be doing better damage than the previous Ferocity pets I used. I don’t know what to tell you.

Good lord could it be that I’m actually starting not to suck as a CATA raid hunter and my pets damage is showing an increase? NAH can’t be that, must be the pet.

The Shale Spider is the only tenacity pet I’m currently using in groups. The funny thing is I didn’t research the pros and cons of that pet I just thought it looked cool so I tamed it. After I ran with it for a while solo I realized it was viable for groups in the right circumstances. For the most part though any buffs I bring to our 10 man runs ends up being redundant, it’s mostly on the five man heroics that they come in handy.

I know the feeling. I'm using SV primarily right now and I don't even know where my DPS is coming from. Like by the time I hit the Cobra Shot cooldown I'm at 16k and I can sustain that throughout the fight. I don't know if I have gotten like twice as good at being a Hunter or what. I can't play MM though I just hate it. I love Sv and BM I bring if the raid needs something.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah that chart seemed to confirm the rumors of shorter expansion cycle for WoW. IIRC it shows the 4th expansion to be released in the middle of 2012 and the 5th expansion to be released by the end of 2013.

yea they announced they wanted to pump them out faster. AV wants more money id guess. however 2 years worked well IMO

 

[RatboyX]

yea they announced they wanted to pump them out faster. AV wants more money id guess. however 2 years worked well IMO

That’s great if you have the content to support two years worth and I don’t think Cata has two years worth of high level content.

Blizzard did something almost unheard of with Cata by adding completely new low level content and revamping some of the low to mid level stuff. The problem is that running a new character through Outlands and then through Northrend when none of that content has changed is a tough sell.

But because of the low level content additions I believe that Blizzard skimped on the 80 to 85 content. Does it fell pretty cramped to anyone else besides me?

Now perhaps if they had made this an 80 to 90 content expansion with about double the new high level areas it would feel more like a normal expansion.

So any speculation on what the next expansion might be like? If they follow the current pattern we might get “Return to Outlands - Revenge of the Draenei” Or “Southrend the adventures of Bolvar” or "LKII"

 

[Anubis]

it would most likely be another 5 level deal with the Emerald Dream

after that lore wise unless they are gonna do Sargeras IDK what they would do

 

[Macamus Prime]

DAMN YOU 7 DAY FREE TRAIL!!!!

Dipped back into it,... and I just purchased Cataclysm - back on the habit again,....