AT World of Warcraft Thread (Cataclysm, Where do you play, General BS and all that)

[Scotteq]

The arena season is closes (this week, I believe) - Blizzard won't patch until that's done.

 

[Aikouka]

I'm a bit disappointed that Blizzard caved and made CS into a 3s CD for prot :/.

 

[lupi]

blizzcon schedule.


http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/october/BlizzCon_Program_2010_highres.jpg

 

[rcpratt]

This is going to be the first blizzcon in awhile without a major unveiling, huh? Or am I forgetting a year...

 

[Aikouka]

This is going to be the first blizzcon in awhile without a major unveiling, huh? Or am I forgetting a year...

It'll probably be another class in Diablo III.

I'll probably take a lunch break at home to watch the opening ceremony via net stream.

 

[lupi]

well fudge, only got 26 doing the keg run tonight...if only the damn dailies reset before 3 am today, ugh.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Damn, I was hoping they'd have information on their new IP.

In the past, they release an expansion on a Tuesday/December 7th will the 8th be maint/down?

 

[Aikouka]

In the past, they release an expansion on a Tuesday/December 7th will the 8th be maint/down?

I haven't checked to be sure, but isn't this their first Tuesday release for an expansion? Regardless, I highly doubt there will be any downtime for maintenance until Dec 14. Unless there's some crazy major server bug/lag .

Edit:

Here's some info on point values:

Originally Posted by Ulvareth (Source)
Although we’ve revealed some details of the conversion process (https://forums.wow-europe.com/thread...74620794&sid=1), many of you have asked how many Justice and Valor Points bosses and daily dungeons will actually award. This list is incomplete, and the values may still change, but it covers the majority of the content we’ve been asked about.

Lich King Heroic dungeon boss -- 16 Justice Points
Lich King daily normal dungeon -- 12 Justice Points
Lich King daily Heroic dungeon -- 23 Justice Points
Lich King raid boss -- 23 Justice Points

Cataclysm Heroic dungeon boss -- 75 Justice Points
Cataclysm daily normal dungeon -- 75 Justice Points
Cataclysm daily Heroic dungeon -- 75 Valor Points
Cataclysm 10-player raid boss -- 75 Valor Points
Cataclysm 25-player raid boss -- 105 Valor Points

It’s important to note that once you outgrow content, by leveling past it by a predetermined amount, you’ll no longer gain points. The ‘outgrown’ level for end-game Wrath of the Lich King content is likely to be level 81. Once you level beyond Lich King content you’ll still be able to enter the dungeons, kill bosses, and see their drops, but they will not award you with points. This same principle applies to all content that provides Justice Points, including content from The Burning Crusade.

 

[lupi]

Can't remember exactly how BC went as my realm was one that got butt raped by it and I didn't really play for a week, but for wrath they didn't have any maintenance on release day, "release" patch was i believe a week prior to.

 

[lupi]

And with two months to go we have our first debate. Even though the same items are dropped as loot, in the just released badge/point table the 25 man runs will give more points per boss than a 10 man.
So here we are, separate and almost equal.

 

[JD50]

And with two months to go we have our first debate. Even though the same items are dropped as loot, in the just released badge/point table the 25 man runs will give more points per boss than a 10 man.
So here we are, separate and almost equal.

Yea, that was pretty surprising.

 

[Anubis]

id imagine the QQ shit storm will get that changed

 

[Moonzi]

Is it? With the same loot table I thought it followed the "25's get more loot" aspect of the new raid design. Just my opinion I guess.

 

[kehlsi]

yeah i don't see that changing. that implementation is exactly how they described it would work. i have no desire to continue raiding 25s if i don't have to and get the same ilvl items. this, imo, is the best change ever made. i will say that i loved 40 man raids. over time, however, i've found it more and more difficult to raid 4 nights a week mainly due to scheduling issues, rl engagements, etc. the older i get, the less time i have to devote to an mmo. organizing 25 people to be online and ready to go at 7 pst every raid night will be more difficult ALWAYS than to organize 10 people showing up to raid every night a raid is scheduled. i welcome this change and i am certainly fine with earning gear or points at a slower rate as long as it's the same level of gear.

 

[lupi]

I think the bottom line is, as most whom have successfully raided for the length of the game can verify, is that while it is easier to raid in smaller groups due to less scheduling conflicts it is more demanding on a per person basis; which is why many think once tuned all other aspects of the raid should be the same (loot and such).



On a completely unrelated note, anyone seen anything about increases to character slots yet? I'd like to start a goblin but don't have the room and I'm somewhat surprised there has been no official chatting about it given the number of times it was brought up last blizzcon.

 

[kehlsi]

i will admit it's more demanding simply b/c it singles out those who consistently do not perform well. this, coupled with encounters becoming more complex since we started defeating them 6 and a half years ago means i'm totally willing to coach people who are capable of performing well if it means i can raid in smaller raids!

 

[JD50]

i will admit it's more demanding simply b/c it singles out those who consistently do not perform well. this, coupled with encounters becoming more complex since we started defeating them 6 and a half years ago means i'm totally willing to coach people who are capable of performing well if it means i can raid in smaller raids!

Yea, but then if you lose one of your regular raiders then it's going to impact you a lot more than when 1 person quit back in the 40 man and 25 man days.

 

[kehlsi]

if it's a tank or healer, sure. fortunately people have offset gear gemmed and enchanted and ready to go on the fly to heal or tank nowadays also. i understand what you're saying but there is much more to it than simply losing a raid member and it impacting you to the point that you can't raid. the thing that kills guilds and/or raids nowadays (few months before expansion) is when 5-8 people are regularly absent and when hybrid classes are lazy and refuse to play more than one spec. that impacts raids more than one or two players not making a single raid during the week.

edit: i tend to look at it from my perspective, so sorry if i seem biased. i have much more limited time to play nowadays but any character i raid with has spec, gems, enchants and overall know-how to play any of the roles at a given point.

 

[lupi]

"If it's a healer or tank"...which only happens to be about half of the 10 man composition.

 

[Aikouka]

Looks like Blizz uber-boosted tank threat modifiers... all things that provide threat (Defensive Stance, Righteous Fury, Dire Bear Form and Blood Presence) now provide a bonus 200% instead of 125%.

 

[Scotteq]

Looks like Blizz uber-boosted tank threat modifiers... all things that provide threat (Defensive Stance, Righteous Fury, Dire Bear Form and Blood Presence) now provide a bonus 200% instead of 125%.

Yarr - The reason for that is Blizzard also (said they were) removing all of the threat modifiers from talents and abilities. Leaving only D stance/RFury/Blood Pres/Bear form. So things like the inherent -10% threat reduction from Warrior Berzerker stance are all disappearing. I heard the 30% reduction from being out of Melee range is also going away - But I suspect that last one is BS.

I'm not on the PTR, but given the lack of crying from DPS classes/specs, I suspect that most everyone are doing more damage, rather than less. So the larger boost to tank threat is probably necessary.

 

[Aikouka]

Yarr - The reason for that is Blizzard also (said they were) removing all of the threat modifiers from talents and abilities. Leaving only D stance/RFury/Blood Pres/Bear form. So things like the inherent -10% threat reduction from Warrior Berzerker stance are all disappearing. I heard the 30% reduction from being out of Melee range is also going away - But I suspect that last one is BS.

I'm not on the PTR, but given the lack of crying from DPS classes/specs, I suspect that most everyone are doing more damage, rather than less. So the larger boost to tank threat is probably necessary.

Yeah, all of the Paladin Tanking QQ I've seen so far seems to revolve around an inability to hold threat on a single target, although we haven't seen level 85 raids yet. But if Blizzard goes through with their plan to lower the CS CD to 3s without adjusting the damage done by associated mechanisms, the TPS will go even higher.

 

[rcpratt]

I hope it is harder to hold threat than it was in WotLK, to be honest. It needs to be harder at the beginning (of gear progression) but scale better, which it looks like Vengeance will take care of. Especially for the Pallies, who have had it ezmode since TBC.

It was more fun when it took skill, a la Vanilla and Warrior TBC.

 

[BassBomb]

270/350 for timbermaw beads

should be done after another good power session, it moves along EXTREMELY fast at the North Felwood camp without competition... with competition its still the best area

Frenzyheart is exalted now, Ogrila is 11000/21000

 

[Anubis]

yea if you are the only one there its stupid fast, i was killing them to fast and was having to wait for repops when i did it, it got annoying