Have you ever - I mean: EVER - seen a smartphone or tablet motherboard?
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8% larger screen than a surface pro and comes in about 4 ounces lighter (SP+type cover). wonder what the price and battery life are like?Intel Lakefield and Samsung Galaxy Book S is official!
Experience the Next Level of Mobile Computing with Galaxy Book S
Samsung brings Intel’s hybrid processor to its leading Galaxy Book S, alongside seamless connectivity, mobile design and an expansive ecosystemnews.samsung.com
According to one news it'll be available in late June.
Some are also saying Intel will reveal the full details soon(computerbase.de said it was supposed to be this week).
LTE is available, but only for certain regions.
If with that question you would like to know what's the percentage of display + battery there, yes i do, that's why i think intel efforts are DOA.
No, seriously. Check how motherboards look. Before you write another comment like that "smarphones have near 6 inch, there's lot's of space there".
Samsung S10:
In my past posts i explained why intel is DOA, in that exact same space the other competitors (arm) put higher specs chips for lower prices and more 'mobile friendly'.
Intel only advantage is microsoft windows for the ones who really wants and needs windows.
Maybe intel will surprise i don't know, but if the 'first' product isn't up to the already existent arm stuff forget about future versions.
I think it is on package. The logic board is pretty small. I think it would have been a competitive product if it was manufactured on a functional node.
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There's no distinction here. In laptops they can have all the memory soldered on the motherboard, or have all of them in an upgradeable slot, or have one soldered and the other in a slot.
Lakefield uses the approach in Smartphone/Tablet chips where the DRAM is stacked on top of the CPU package. In order for them to offer a part with different memory configuration, they'll have to ask Intel for another chip that stacks different DRAM configuration.
Exactly, although I'd probably not use the word "stacked" since it's confusing here. Foveros is "stacked" semiconductor fabrication - a single package.
PoP RAM is a separate package just put on top of Foveros ("Package-on-Package").
I guess the word "glued" would be better but it also has some use already (and not very positive
).Essentially, 3D packaging brings a lot of performance and power saving potential.
POP RAM basically saves some motherboard space.
But, I'm not sure if putting RAM in Foveros makes any sense (or even: is possible).
Either way, Intel doesn't make RAM, so they'd have to order something very specific for this design. PoP memory dies can be easily outsourced from the standard offer.
I guess 8GB is the sweet spot for this segment anyway, so this is probably what OEMs ordered. It's not a high-performance part, so more RAM would be mostly wasted.
Windows is relatively frugal when it comes to hardware and MS constantly tries to slim it even further. Totally opposite to what's happening with Android.
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I know Lakefield has a 4GB and a 8GB variant. I wouldn't be surprised if 8GB is the maximum it can have. The diminutive package size is a limiter. It's pretty much the size of a single LPDDR4X package.
Officially announced. Only an i3 and an i5. The i5 is up to 3 Ghz and SDP of 7W. IGP frequency is only up to 500 Mhz, hah.
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Dual-Channel LPDDR4X-4266(that is, total of 64-bit width).
*Compared to Amberlake 8500Y
They have a very entertaining video with Lakefield built using Legos. I kinda want that.
Also,
That explains the announced products.
Not bad at all. But not everything is filled yet.Officially announced. Only an i3 and an i5. The i5 is up to 3 Ghz and SDP of 7W. IGP frequency is only up to 500 Mhz, hah.
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I wouldn't worry too much about GPU frequency. It's still more than what the desktop stuff runs in Windows. These chips are probably not suitable for gaming anyway.
There's actually a significant upgrade: it works with 4 screens (used to be 3 - even in Ice Lake). That's probably forced by dual-screen folding devices, but let's hope this goes to other future chips as well.
Full virtualization, fast RAM.
Negatives:
- no AVX2,
- no Optane support
No AVX you mean, SSE only. That was known for some time. Also no HT on the big core.
Seriously? Well that makes sense from a power consumption perspective but that is disappointing from a total cpu workload perspective.
ISA compatibility is the issue, plus Windows being Windows. Tremont doesn't support AVX.
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It even ends up being worst than i expected and i had my expectations very low.
And many limits imposed:
Any old arm cpu will eat this at breakfast.
What a complete disappointment, if this ends up cheap ok, if not it will not sell and end into the 200$ 10inch laptops.
And many limits imposed:
- No AVX1, AVX2 support in 2020?
- Max 8GB ram?
- Many important security features missing?
Any old arm cpu will eat this at breakfast.
What a complete disappointment, if this ends up cheap ok, if not it will not sell and end into the 200$ 10inch laptops.
Do we know the prices yet? I can imagine these are for very cheap entry level devices.
Well, the big Sunny Cove core is probably the only one that can seriously boost (it makes sense since it'll be doing most of the work in heavy loads). I haven't seen frequency figures for the Tremont cores (anyone?).
That's why the PL2 is relatively low.
You're obviously right. It can't have AVX.
So you felt the urge to jump on an Intel product in yet another thread...
Like on all Atom-based CPUs.
For now, yes.
No. But we've been over this.
OEM-only, so even if there was an MSRP given, it would not mean anything.
Actually it's for fairly high-end mobile devices.
Samsung Book S launches at $999.
AFAIK Lenovo X1 Fold (the flagship for Windows 10X launch) will launch around $2500.
In the future: probably a decent choice for MacBook Air (unless this whole lineup moves to ARM).
8 GB is fine for Lakefield which is targeted for very small and thin fanless devices, this is not a workstation. If someone needs more RAM Lakefield is not your thing. Not long ago (or up until now) 8 GB was the standard in notebooks, most of the ICL-U notebooks have 8 GB of RAM.
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This is dead. Probably why recent Macbooks are so subpar. Make the previous generation subpar, and the next generation looks even better.
Multi-threaded Turbo is 1.8GHz for the L16G7.
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