As England Turns...

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: superstition

It can be constructive or destructive. The choice is ours.

Not really. The immigrants are choosing to not assimilate and also want to impose their culture incrementally. They believe the choice is theirs.

It certainly is the case that Europe needs Immigrants due to low Birth Rate, as does Canada and the US

The US doesn't have a low birth rate. The USA is the only highly industrialized culture with a fairly high birthrate. This is credited to American "optimism", but I also think it's related to the high degrees of stratification and immigration as well as the large amount of land available.

Change in such a situation is inevitable, but it seems that Europe expected the opposite and are now beginning to panic as their traditional culture begins to be lost. This change can be the beginning of something great or the end of it. I'm hopeful that it is the beginning.

How is replacing a secular democracy with Sharia Law the beginning of something great?

You are assuming that's the result.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: sandorski


You are assuming that's the result.

Votebank appeasement can be a logical construct of any democracy. Votes are the currency of power for a politician after all, no matter the price a society has to pay for them.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: superstition

It can be constructive or destructive. The choice is ours.

Not really. The immigrants are choosing to not assimilate and also want to impose their culture incrementally. They believe the choice is theirs.

It certainly is the case that Europe needs Immigrants due to low Birth Rate, as does Canada and the US

The US doesn't have a low birth rate. The USA is the only highly industrialized culture with a fairly high birthrate. This is credited to American "optimism", but I also think it's related to the high degrees of stratification and immigration as well as the large amount of land available.

Change in such a situation is inevitable, but it seems that Europe expected the opposite and are now beginning to panic as their traditional culture begins to be lost. This change can be the beginning of something great or the end of it. I'm hopeful that it is the beginning.

How is replacing a secular democracy with Sharia Law the beginning of something great?

You are assuming that's the result.

It is a logical enough assumption that it merits strong measures be put in place in order to prevent it from ever becoming a reality.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: superstition

It can be constructive or destructive. The choice is ours.

Not really. The immigrants are choosing to not assimilate and also want to impose their culture incrementally. They believe the choice is theirs.

It certainly is the case that Europe needs Immigrants due to low Birth Rate, as does Canada and the US

The US doesn't have a low birth rate. The USA is the only highly industrialized culture with a fairly high birthrate. This is credited to American "optimism", but I also think it's related to the high degrees of stratification and immigration as well as the large amount of land available.

Change in such a situation is inevitable, but it seems that Europe expected the opposite and are now beginning to panic as their traditional culture begins to be lost. This change can be the beginning of something great or the end of it. I'm hopeful that it is the beginning.

How is replacing a secular democracy with Sharia Law the beginning of something great?

You are assuming that's the result.

It is a logical enough assumption that it merits strong measures be put in place in order to prevent it from ever becoming a reality.

Assumptions are not Logical, they are merely assumptions. Does the possibility exist? Sure, but it is not inevitable.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: superstition

It can be constructive or destructive. The choice is ours.

Not really. The immigrants are choosing to not assimilate and also want to impose their culture incrementally. They believe the choice is theirs.

It certainly is the case that Europe needs Immigrants due to low Birth Rate, as does Canada and the US

The US doesn't have a low birth rate. The USA is the only highly industrialized culture with a fairly high birthrate. This is credited to American "optimism", but I also think it's related to the high degrees of stratification and immigration as well as the large amount of land available.

Change in such a situation is inevitable, but it seems that Europe expected the opposite and are now beginning to panic as their traditional culture begins to be lost. This change can be the beginning of something great or the end of it. I'm hopeful that it is the beginning.

How is replacing a secular democracy with Sharia Law the beginning of something great?

You are assuming that's the result.

It is a logical enough assumption that it merits strong measures be put in place in order to prevent it from ever becoming a reality.

Assumptions are not Logical, they are merely assumptions. Does the possibility exist? Sure, but it is not inevitable.

It is an absolute possibility, are you so willing as to take a chance with your offspring and theirs that it is not? If the answers is yes and it does and they are destined to live their lives if you can call it life in to a freedom less hell with barbaric laws and rulers just remember I was not the evil one, the Hitler type who let it get ushered in it was people that think like you. I am the one who wanted its head lopped off before it ever got a chance to strike, the good guy!

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Socio
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It is an absolute possibility, are you so willing as to take a chance with your offspring and theirs that it is not? If the answers is yes and it does and they are destined to live their lives if you can call it life in to a freedom less hell with barbaric laws and rulers just remember I was not the evil one, the Hitler type who let it get ushered in it was people that think like you. I am the one who wanted its head lopped off before it ever got a chance to strike, the good guy!

There is nothing the English language could have ever done to you to deserve that kind of abuse.

 

[Socio]

Looks like the no vacancy sign has been put up in Sweden I wonder how long before the UK and others have to do the same.?

Sweden closes doors to fleeing Iraqis

Had his case been decided a year earlier, he would probably already hold a residence permit. Sweden has given shelter to about 100,000 Iraqis, 40,000 of them since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. That's far more than any other Western country including the U.S., which admitted just over 1,600 Iraqi refugees in the 2007 fiscal year, nearly 400 short of the annual goal of 2,000, and a big reduction from an initial target of 7,000.

But Sweden has gradually tightened its asylum rules, worried that its generous welfare system can't cope.

The effects became evident this year, when immigration statistics obtained by The Associated Press showed only 28 percent of the claims were approved in January and 23 percent in February - down from 85 percent in January 2007.

 

[theeedude]

England is the one who wanted to build an empire with a lot of Muslim subjects. Looks like they got their wish, minus the whole empire thing

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: superstition

It can be constructive or destructive. The choice is ours.

Not really. The immigrants are choosing to not assimilate and also want to impose their culture incrementally. They believe the choice is theirs.

It certainly is the case that Europe needs Immigrants due to low Birth Rate, as does Canada and the US

The US doesn't have a low birth rate. The USA is the only highly industrialized culture with a fairly high birthrate. This is credited to American "optimism", but I also think it's related to the high degrees of stratification and immigration as well as the large amount of land available.

Change in such a situation is inevitable, but it seems that Europe expected the opposite and are now beginning to panic as their traditional culture begins to be lost. This change can be the beginning of something great or the end of it. I'm hopeful that it is the beginning.

How is replacing a secular democracy with Sharia Law the beginning of something great?

You are assuming that's the result.

It is a logical enough assumption that it merits strong measures be put in place in order to prevent it from ever becoming a reality.

Assumptions are not Logical, they are merely assumptions. Does the possibility exist? Sure, but it is not inevitable.

It is an absolute possibility, are you so willing as to take a chance with your offspring and theirs that it is not? If the answers is yes and it does and they are destined to live their lives if you can call it life in to a freedom less hell with barbaric laws and rulers just remember I was not the evil one, the Hitler type who let it get ushered in it was people that think like you. I am the one who wanted its head lopped off before it ever got a chance to strike, the good guy!

Umm, what?

 

[superstition]

You are assuming that's the result.

I assume nothing. It's the conflict, at least. That much is already known.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: superstition
How is replacing a secular democracy with Sharia Law the beginning of something great?

You are assuming that's the result.

Last I checked you assault every notion of prevention thereby clearing the way for the expansion of it.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: superstition
How is replacing a secular democracy with Sharia Law the beginning of something great?

You are assuming that's the result.

Last I checked you assault every notion of prevention thereby clearing the way for the expansion of it.

Every notion? Really? All I hear is Forcing them to change or keeping them out. If every notion was stated, I'd find some to agree with. As it is however, I can't agree with any that have so far been put forward.

Some have already given up on the issue, concluding that More Muslims = Sharia Law. That's a pretty swift surrender and quite the bizarre conclusion. Hell, Islamic Nations where Sharia Laws exist barely incorporate what most of you are afraid of. Even in most Muslim nations where Sharia Laws exist, they only apply to Muslims. When so many are up in arms about something they are almost completely ignorant of, I must question their true motives.

That said, we've had various attempts by a few Muslims to get Sharia Laws passed in the West. I don't deny that, but it seems it only takes 1 request by 1 person to get the whole, "We're all gonna die!" Bandwagon rolling. In some cases, Muslims themselves spoke against Sharia, because they didn't want it.

The more this issue is turned into a Us vs Them issue, the more Us vs Them it will become. The proper way to avoid Sharia or other potential issues is to build a bridge to the Muslim Community.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: ranmaniac
Most Brits are "worshipping" at the local Pub, and so will I once the dollar increases in value from toilet paper.

the best kind of worship!

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: superstition
How is replacing a secular democracy with Sharia Law the beginning of something great?

You are assuming that's the result.

Last I checked you assault every notion of prevention thereby clearing the way for the expansion of it.

Every notion? Really? All I hear is Forcing them to change or keeping them out. If every notion was stated, I'd find some to agree with. As it is however, I can't agree with any that have so far been put forward.

Some have already given up on the issue, concluding that More Muslims = Sharia Law. That's a pretty swift surrender and quite the bizarre conclusion. Hell, Islamic Nations where Sharia Laws exist barely incorporate what most of you are afraid of. Even in most Muslim nations where Sharia Laws exist, they only apply to Muslims. When so many are up in arms about something they are almost completely ignorant of, I must question their true motives.

That said, we've had various attempts by a few Muslims to get Sharia Laws passed in the West. I don't deny that, but it seems it only takes 1 request by 1 person to get the whole, "We're all gonna die!" Bandwagon rolling. In some cases, Muslims themselves spoke against Sharia, because they didn't want it.

The more this issue is turned into a Us vs Them issue, the more Us vs Them it will become. The proper way to avoid Sharia or other potential issues is to build a bridge to the Muslim Community.

In a democracy the majority demography rules, when Muslims become the majority in all likelihood Sharia Law will eventually get passed at least in some countries.

However it is not just Sharia Law that is the poses the danger of the shifting demographics;

Remember it was the shifting demographics going from a Serb majority to a Muslim majority that led to Bosnia?s collapse and triggered the worst slaughter in Europe since World War Two.

The problem that Europe faces is that Bosnia's demographic profile is now the model for the entire freaking continent!

 

[ericlp]

Typical Americans.... Discriminating against ones religion... Remember when we ran away from the BS to start America?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Socio

In a democracy the majority demography rules, when Muslims become the majority in all likelihood Sharia Law will eventually get passed at least in some countries.

However it is not just Sharia Law that is the poses the danger of the shifting demographics;

Remember it was the shifting demographics going from a Serb majority to a Muslim majority that led to Bosnia?s collapse and triggered the worst slaughter in Europe since World War Two.

The problem that Europe faces is that Bosnia's demographic profile is now the model for the entire freaking continent!

So which is it? Are the muslims taking over the world as you've said in previous posts, or are the christians going to slaughter them all, Kosovo style?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Socio

In a democracy the majority demography rules, when Muslims become the majority in all likelihood Sharia Law will eventually get passed at least in some countries.

However it is not just Sharia Law that is the poses the danger of the shifting demographics;

Remember it was the shifting demographics going from a Serb majority to a Muslim majority that led to Bosnia?s collapse and triggered the worst slaughter in Europe since World War Two.

The problem that Europe faces is that Bosnia's demographic profile is now the model for the entire freaking continent!

So which is it? Are the muslims taking over the world as you've said in previous posts, or are the christians going to slaughter them all, Kosovo style?

hehe, oops.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Typical Americans.... Discriminating against ones religion... Remember when we ran away from the BS to start America?

Here is a repost of a quote for you you can find a link to it on one of my posts on page two of this thread.

Unfortunately, even the Westerners who perceive a danger rarely grasp its full scope. Religious war simply does not fit with their understanding of the world. While they may be able to grasp the notion of Islamic terrorism or ?Islamofascism,? it is inconceivable that Islam itself could be hostile. They assume, without questioning, that all religions are basically the same, and that all religions teach about peace and love.

Islam is not just a religion it is also a political ideology and that political ideology is used to protect the religion and the religion is used to protect political ideology and they both are used in tandem to wreak havoc.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Socio

In a democracy the majority demography rules, when Muslims become the majority in all likelihood Sharia Law will eventually get passed at least in some countries.

However it is not just Sharia Law that is the poses the danger of the shifting demographics;

Remember it was the shifting demographics going from a Serb majority to a Muslim majority that led to Bosnia?s collapse and triggered the worst slaughter in Europe since World War Two.

The problem that Europe faces is that Bosnia's demographic profile is now the model for the entire freaking continent!

So which is it? Are the muslims taking over the world as you've said in previous posts, or are the christians going to slaughter them all, Kosovo style?

I don?t know who will end up slaughtering who but I would not bet the Muslims will being on the receiving end often nor for long. What is clear is Bosnia?s demographic profile model is mirroring itself throughout Europe, along with a Muslim dominated UN and Turkey?s accession adding 70 million more Muslims to the mix is a recipe for the most violent era of mankind in Europe.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Typical Americans.... Discriminating against ones religion... Remember when we ran away from the BS to start America?

More reason for them not to come here. Yet they do - fancy that.

That religion is not ours. We don't ask for it to be imposed on us.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: ericlp
Typical Americans.... Discriminating against ones religion... Remember when we ran away from the BS to start America?

Here is a repost of a quote for you you can find a link to it on one of my posts on page two of this thread.

Unfortunately, even the Westerners who perceive a danger rarely grasp its full scope. Religious war simply does not fit with their understanding of the world. While they may be able to grasp the notion of Islamic terrorism or ?Islamofascism,? it is inconceivable that Islam itself could be hostile. They assume, without questioning, that all religions are basically the same, and that all religions teach about peace and love.

Islam is not just a religion it is also a political ideology and that political ideology is used to protect the religion and the religion is used to protect political ideology and they both are used in tandem to wreak havoc.

Radical Islam (if you want--Islam) is one in a long line of threats to classical liberalism. Catholicism once posed a similar threat, with a similar ideology. Islam isn't inherently more evil than other religions, it has simply not been exposed to classical liberalism long enough to have to confront it so directly.

The major difference between Catholicism and Islam is that Catholicism has an unquestioned leader, while Islam is more splintered. This may mean it will be easier to change or more difficult than Catholicism was. If you remember, Catholicism didn't make peace with classical liberalism until Vatican II, and then only because it faced greater threats from fascism and communism and saw our ideology as the only one that would let it survive.

With this history in mind it is important to know that Islam should not be fought against if you want to "win." You cannot promote the ideology of a society with the free practice of religion while at the same time targeting one specific religion to kill. What has caused classical liberalism to succeed in the past, and what will in the future, is to continue to allow the free practice of religion and the separation of the three spheres (economic, politic, religious). When confronted with this, ideologies such as radical Islam end up killing themselves just as medieval Catholicism, fascism, mercantalism, and communism did before them.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: superstition
How is replacing a secular democracy with Sharia Law the beginning of something great?

You are assuming that's the result.

Last I checked you assault every notion of prevention thereby clearing the way for the expansion of it.

Every notion? Really? All I hear is Forcing them to change or keeping them out. If every notion was stated, I'd find some to agree with. As it is however, I can't agree with any that have so far been put forward.

Some have already given up on the issue, concluding that More Muslims = Sharia Law. That's a pretty swift surrender and quite the bizarre conclusion. Hell, Islamic Nations where Sharia Laws exist barely incorporate what most of you are afraid of. Even in most Muslim nations where Sharia Laws exist, they only apply to Muslims. When so many are up in arms about something they are almost completely ignorant of, I must question their true motives.

That said, we've had various attempts by a few Muslims to get Sharia Laws passed in the West. I don't deny that, but it seems it only takes 1 request by 1 person to get the whole, "We're all gonna die!" Bandwagon rolling. In some cases, Muslims themselves spoke against Sharia, because they didn't want it.

The more this issue is turned into a Us vs Them issue, the more Us vs Them it will become. The proper way to avoid Sharia or other potential issues is to build a bridge to the Muslim Community.

A bridge can only be healthy if we are to assert ourselves over our own land with the imposition on them that they condemn violence and do not impose against us. How much of that would you have us do?

I truly believe you would see to none of it. Instead I see your side, were I to label you on the Democratic Party?s side, as asserting their right to impose on us under the label of diversity. Where is you demand for unity, for us to become a melting pot?

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: superstition

It can be constructive or destructive. The choice is ours.

Not really. The immigrants are choosing to not assimilate and also want to impose their culture incrementally. They believe the choice is theirs.

It certainly is the case that Europe needs Immigrants due to low Birth Rate, as does Canada and the US

The US doesn't have a low birth rate. The USA is the only highly industrialized culture with a fairly high birthrate. This is credited to American "optimism", but I also think it's related to the high degrees of stratification and immigration as well as the large amount of land available.

Change in such a situation is inevitable, but it seems that Europe expected the opposite and are now beginning to panic as their traditional culture begins to be lost. This change can be the beginning of something great or the end of it. I'm hopeful that it is the beginning.

How is replacing a secular democracy with Sharia Law the beginning of something great?

You are assuming that's the result.

It is a logical enough assumption that it merits strong measures be put in place in order to prevent it from ever becoming a reality.

Assumptions are not Logical, they are merely assumptions. Does the possibility exist? Sure, but it is not inevitable.

It is an absolute possibility, are you so willing as to take a chance with your offspring and theirs that it is not? If the answers is yes and it does and they are destined to live their lives if you can call it life in to a freedom less hell with barbaric laws and rulers just remember I was not the evil one, the Hitler type who let it get ushered in it was people that think like you. I am the one who wanted its head lopped off before it ever got a chance to strike, the good guy!

Sharia law actually has been honored in the UK. It's not far fetched as it would seem.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...06/11/29/nsharia29.xml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7232661.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/feb/27/religion.islam

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n...e.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54018 <-- 40% of young UK Muslims want sharia law.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article613976.ece

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: superstition
How is replacing a secular democracy with Sharia Law the beginning of something great?

You are assuming that's the result.

Last I checked you assault every notion of prevention thereby clearing the way for the expansion of it.

Every notion? Really? All I hear is Forcing them to change or keeping them out. If every notion was stated, I'd find some to agree with. As it is however, I can't agree with any that have so far been put forward.

Some have already given up on the issue, concluding that More Muslims = Sharia Law. That's a pretty swift surrender and quite the bizarre conclusion. Hell, Islamic Nations where Sharia Laws exist barely incorporate what most of you are afraid of. Even in most Muslim nations where Sharia Laws exist, they only apply to Muslims. When so many are up in arms about something they are almost completely ignorant of, I must question their true motives.

That said, we've had various attempts by a few Muslims to get Sharia Laws passed in the West. I don't deny that, but it seems it only takes 1 request by 1 person to get the whole, "We're all gonna die!" Bandwagon rolling. In some cases, Muslims themselves spoke against Sharia, because they didn't want it.

The more this issue is turned into a Us vs Them issue, the more Us vs Them it will become. The proper way to avoid Sharia or other potential issues is to build a bridge to the Muslim Community.

A bridge can only be healthy if we are to assert ourselves over our own land with the imposition on them that they condemn violence and do not impose against us. How much of that would you have us do?

I truly believe you would see to none of it. Instead I see your side, were I to label you on the Democratic Party?s side, as asserting their right to impose on us under the label of diversity. Where is you demand for unity, for us to become a melting pot?

Your conditions are ridiculous.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
Story Here

The increasing influence of Islam on British culture is disclosed in research today that shows the number of Muslims worshipping at mosques in England and Wales will outstrip the numbers of Roman Catholics going to church in little more than a decade.

Projections to be published next month estimate that, if trends continue, the number of Catholic worshippers at Sunday Mass will fall to 679,000 by 2020.

By that time, statisticians predict, the number of Muslims praying in mosques on Fridays will have increased to 683,000.

The Christian Research figures also suggest that, over the same period, the number of Muslims at mosques will overtake Church of England members at Sunday services.

Church spokesmen point out, however, that a growing number of Anglicans worship at other times of the week.

The projections show that, if the Churches do not reverse their historical decline, there will be more active Muslims than Christians in Sunday services across Britain before the middle of the century.

The figures, based on Government and academic sources and the latest edition of Christian Research's Religious Trends, come amid growing tensions over the place of Muslims in British society.

They follow fierce rows over the extent to which Islamic law should be recognised and over claims that "no-go" areas for non-Muslims are emerging in parts of the country.

Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, provoked criticism by saying the introduction of some aspects of sharia into British society was "unavoidable".

The Bishop of Rochester, the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali, faced death threats after writing in The Sunday Telegraph that Islamic extremism was turning some communities into "no-go" areas "where adherence to this ideology has become a mark of acceptability".

Peter Brierley, a former Government statistician who edited the latest Religious Trends, said that the continuing growth of the Muslim population since the 2001 census would have significant implications for society.

Islam is making more of an inroad into England everyday. And with the modern trend of less and less people going to church this is a very feasible statistic. As it has been discussed before, the inclusion of Sharia law could be somewhere close down the road if the appeasement keeps up.

I for the most part care not for the Muslims in the UK (a good deal of them are just wackos) nor for many of the Brits in the UK(becasue they are snobs). But TBH, the UK has been running the show around the world for centuries....I guess it's time the tables turned around a little bit....why not? If the Archbishop of Canterbury himself finds it acceptable....then God bless.

To put it simply...those Brits(the snobs) deserve those Muslims(the extremists)....and as the proverb goes in Lebanese "And let melons crack each other"

Plus If we can adapt our country for Hispanics because they exist in huge numbers in the US, then why can't the UK do the same for Muslims. Shock and awe?

Originally posted by: Socio
Yep!

In fact the UK already has the biggest mosque in Europe and an even bigger one is going to be built in London.

Europe's Biggest Mosque Will Be Built in London

We are going to produce a landmark, something not seen in this country before," said Mr. Khaliq, project manager for the global Islamic missionary movement Tablighi Jamaat, which plans to spend at least $190 million to build the mosque. Mr. Khaliq and his friends call it the London Markaz; neighbors in the borough of Newham dub it the "Mega Mosque."

The proposed mosque is the latest flashpoint in London's struggle to integrate a growing Islamic population amid fears among non-Muslims of Islamic terrorists. The structure would stand next to the 2012 Olympic stadium and, with room for 60,000 worshippers, be almost as big. Opponents say it would create a ghetto of Muslims in the surrounding neighborhood and change the complexion of London.

Good for them...., you know what? I hope they build a mosque big enough you could see from your bedroom.......in the states :laugh:

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Whites will lose their majority in lots of countries over the next 40 years. Basic math makes it a certainty.

It really shouldn't be a surprise. Demographics is a volatile field. A few hundred years ago, North America looked a lot different than it does now. And a hundred years from now, it will look a lot different.

Yes, but you have to remember...in all of those cases, there has been a large group of people foaming at the mouth suggesting the shifting demographics were going to destroy civilization. And laugh if you want, but they were right! Civilization really HAS been destroyed, it's all an illusion created by the machines that rule the planet that leads us to believe we've weathered each and every shift in demographics without the Earth falling into the Sun.

Ya if only jpeyton realized that before relying on things such as mathematics, history, statistics and demographics......I mean come on.....couldn't he at least have come up with a courtesy Muslim conspiracy?

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
A very simple solution would be to prevent entry of individuals who do not wish to become part of the country/society, and deportation of those who wish to bend their hosts society/laws to their will.

If there are "no-go" areas which i take as meaning non muslims being in danger if they enter this area, then determine who is leading and actively taking part in such actions then retake the area (be it with cops or the army) and deport these low life's back to where they came from.

Even though what you are saying makes sense....however you have to keep in mind....that most Muslims in the UK are citizens not just immigrants.

But let me remind you that we have so many "no-go" areas here in the states that it's not even funny. And "no-one" will be doing squat about it anytime soon. And if you don't believe me...take a couple of trips to some notorious "gettos" and some very well known areas with a high concentration of "inbreds" and so forth you get the idea.

Do not back down if investigating something such as a "honor killing" will bring unrest among the local population, use whatever force is required to bring to justice those who committed a crime and those who hamper such efforts.

If they backdown...it would be just because they are pussies....no one can stop the UK military and Police from doing anything they think is legal in the UK, but politicians care about votes and public opinion enough to not want to bother certain groups in case of a violation. Just like every other country...

I do not propose discrimination of a group unless that group poses a threat to my country. You may preach your views for those who will listen, practice within the bounds of my societies laws what you believe in. If my societies laws prevent you from practicing what you believe then do not come here, tolerance of hatred and murder is not negotiable.

Good luck defining the "group" but usually, westerners fail at defining groups without excessive generalizations! There are so many places here in the states where you would get killed if you express the wrong idea....and many of the mare pure 100 % US citezens....what do you do with those? Deport them to the land of their ancestors?...to Europe to Asia...to Africa?

If you harbor/co-operate with those who wish to destroy my country to reform in their vision, then do not expect compassion or sympathy for actions that will harm you when these groups are targeted.

But when a group seeks the legal route to get what it wants then how does that qualify as destruction?

I will tolerate your views to a reasonable point, but i will not tolerate actions to bend my society/laws to your views and whoever tries such a thing, i'll be walking over your dead body, not you over mine.

Well....I have news for ya....laws were meant to be bent over and over until they brake....then they update them and the cycle goes on...last time I checked.....big demographic changes....usually more than often bring a sea of legal reformation....so what?

(Note, i'm Canadian)[/quote]

So what are you going to do about the people in Quebec then?