As England Turns...

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Braznor
Can someone ask this tool called Socio to STFU?

He is the worst possible voice of concern we can have on our side of the camp. He just succeeded once again diverting a serious, relevant topic into a whites vs. the rest of the dark world, a topic which had very little to do with race in the very first place.

I did not bring race in to play jpeyton did but it does have everything to do with the topic, the White race is being replaced and Western Culture which is predominantly White in origin is being replaced, no enveloped in Europe. If you look at history that signals then end of the previously dominant civilization. Then you factor in the eons of jealousy and hate the man of color has had and still has for the Whites, the trend in places like the UK, France, and Holland it ultimately signals the eventual eradication and extinction of the White race in Europe.

The US with its wide open borders, its culture being replaced etc.. is walking down a similar path to the same conclusion. What is going on is much bigger and far more profound than just more Muslims going to church, than Christians or Hispanics becoming the majority and dictating rule. It is systematic removal of an entire species of man through its own attrition, the ignorance and hate of other races and their unyielding desire to dominate him.

How do you keep your hood and cloak so brilliantly white? I must know.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Braznor
Can someone ask this tool called Socio to STFU?

He is the worst possible voice of concern we can have on our side of the camp. He just succeeded once again diverting a serious, relevant topic into a whites vs. the rest of the dark world, a topic which had very little to do with race in the very first place.

I did not bring race in to play jpeyton did but it does have everything to do with the topic, the White race is being replaced and Western Culture which is predominantly White in origin is being replaced, no enveloped in Europe. If you look at history that signals then end of the previously dominant civilization. Then you factor in the eons of jealousy and hate the man of color has had and still has for the Whites, the trend in places like the UK, France, and Holland it ultimately signals the eventual eradication and extinction of the White race in Europe.

The US with its wide open borders, its culture being replaced etc.. is walking down a similar path to the same conclusion. What is going on is much bigger and far more profound than just more Muslims going to church, than Christians or Hispanics becoming the majority and dictating rule. It is systematic removal of an entire species of man through its own attrition, the ignorance and hate of other races and their unyielding desire to dominate him.

So its men of color vs. the white race, moron eh? Hate of other races for the evershining light of the white race, eh?

STFU already, its hard enough for reason to be preached without a fool like you making the task even more difficult for me.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Socio
I did not bring race in to play jpeyton did but it does have everything to do with the topic, the White race is being replaced and Western Culture which is predominantly White in origin is being replaced, no enveloped in Europe. If you look at history that signals then end of the previously dominant civilization. Then you factor in the eons of jealousy and hate the man of color has had and still has for the Whites, the trend in places like the UK, France, and Holland it ultimately signals the eventual eradication and extinction of the White race in Europe.

The US with its wide open borders, its culture being replaced etc.. is walking down a similar path to the same conclusion. What is going on is much bigger and far more profound than just more Muslims going to church, than Christians or Hispanics becoming the majority and dictating rule. It is systematic removal of an entire species of man through its own attrition, the ignorance and hate of other races and their unyielding desire to dominate him.

What's so special and unique about fair skin colour that it must be preserved? And what's this eons of jealousy and hate "the man of colour" has for white people? I must not have gotten that pamphlet when I was assigned my darker skin tone.

The funny thing is - outside of your racist outlook on the non-fair skinned - you do a lot to disprove your own argument. Historically, humanity hasn't moved backwards as the great civilizations of the world fell. We've kept creeping forwards, albeit with some rough patches. I have little love for religion and its influence on politics, but I'm not stupid enough to think that freedom and prosperity won't win out in the end. And I certainly don't use it as a basis to subtly wish for a race war to break out.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Speaking of people foaming at the mouth, were those Indians wrong who said we?d kill them and destroy their civilization? Why do you want the natives to lose again when you?re standing on our side of the equation? Is this some practice in self mutilation because it appears to be rather effective ? you?ll see the merits of our arguments later this century.

In 40 years, the "natives" here will be non-White. Is a Hispanic, Black, or Asian person born in America any less "native" than a White person?

Your penchant for dragging race into the equation is as bad as Socio's. Just you are the opposite of the spectrum.

You two deserve to be locked with each other alone with clubs in hand.

 

[Starbuck1975]

In 40 years, the "natives" here will be non-White. Is a Hispanic, Black, or Asian person born in America any less "native" than a White person?

So long as we are all Americans, and retain the values that made this nation great, who cares?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Cant wait till the muslims start sharia law and start executing gays and giving public beatings to women in what they call immodest clothing. This is what you have to look forward to. After that they wil want to close all the pubs.

I also predict this. Then civil war to follow, then mass genocide/exodus.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Whites will lose their majority in lots of countries over the next 40 years. Basic math makes it a certainty.

It really shouldn't be a surprise. Demographics is a volatile field. A few hundred years ago, North America looked a lot different than it does now. And a hundred years from now, it will look a lot different.

Yes, but you have to remember...in all of those cases, there has been a large group of people foaming at the mouth suggesting the shifting demographics were going to destroy civilization.

Immigrants carry on them the ideals of their home country. If the melting pot is not used, and their numbers are in the millions then they are effectively converting portions of their host country into their former home.

This is a war of ideologies and western values are found severely crippled and ineffective in the modern world. Thanks in part to your demagoguing the issues down to calling supporters of our culture racists, bigots, and *phobes. The slanderous words used to avoid any real rebate on the merits of our culture are used as an assault against our culture.

Speaking of people foaming at the mouth, were those Indians wrong who said we?d kill them and destroy their civilization? Why do you want the natives to lose again when you?re standing on our side of the equation? Is this some practice in self mutilation because it appears to be rather effective ? you?ll see the merits of our arguments later this century.

Well that's an interesting question, but maybe not for the reason you think. My political views may not be your cup of tea, but I don't think I come across as the type of person who's so wedded to ideology that I'm willing to cut off my nose to spite my face. I am indeed one of "the natives", so my argument would be extremely illogical if I actually thought you were right about the "war of ideologies".

Or maybe I'm as unconcerned as I am because I DON'T think we're facing a war of ideologies or religion or anything else, and I don't think a change in demographics means that one group has to win and one group has to lose. As long as everyone is a good neighbor, what the hell do I care what their skin color is or what religion they practice?

Now the argument you're making is that the non-western immigrants WON'T be good neighbors in the long run, and that's where the accusations of racism, bigotry and assorted phobias come into play. It's not just mindless demagoguery, I'm correctly pointing out that you are assuming a certain group is composed of bad guys JUST because they have darker skin, come from a different part of the world or practice a different religion than you do. No demographic changes come without problems, but the idea that "the melting pot is not used" is silly and totally groundless...and your assumption that it won't work is based entirely on the fact that the immigrant groups in question are Muslims from Africa and the Middle East instead of Christians from Europe. How is that a real debate?

And if it appears that I'm "slandering" you guys, it's only because I am. Look at what spawned this particular thread. It wasn't a story about long term and irreversible trends involving the vast majority of a particular immigrant group killing off people who already live somewhere, although that's what you turned it into. It was a story about how Muslims who attend services will outnumber Catholics who attend services, which is apparently offensive all by itself. How is that an acceptable way to view the world, and why shouldn't I call you on it?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Speaking of people foaming at the mouth, were those Indians wrong who said we?d kill them and destroy their civilization? Why do you want the natives to lose again when you?re standing on our side of the equation? Is this some practice in self mutilation because it appears to be rather effective ? you?ll see the merits of our arguments later this century.

In 40 years, the "natives" here will be non-White. Is a Hispanic, Black, or Asian person born in America any less "native" than a White person?

Your penchant for dragging race into the equation is as bad as Socio's. Just you are the opposite of the spectrum.

You two deserve to be locked with each other alone with clubs in hand.

I'm not sure I'd get too up on your high horse there, buddy. The fact that your issue is religion and not race doesn't make you morally superior, it just makes you different.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: piasabird
Cant wait till the muslims start sharia law and start executing gays and giving public beatings to women in what they call immodest clothing. This is what you have to look forward to. After that they wil want to close all the pubs.

I also predict this. Then civil war to follow, then mass genocide/exodus.

In other words, the native Brits won't allow it. So it's a non-issue.

And it's not like a large number of the Christians right here in America haven't been trying to close all the pubs for the past 150 years (and were actually successful at that for about 13 years), so really this Islam bashing is BS. Christians worldwide are barely 2-3 generations beyond their own "sharia" laws, if even that.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

And if it appears that I'm "slandering" you guys, it's only because I am. Look at what spawned this particular thread. It wasn't a story about long term and irreversible trends involving the vast majority of a particular immigrant group killing off people who already live somewhere, although that's what you turned it into. It was a story about how Muslims who attend services will outnumber Catholics who attend services, which is apparently offensive all by itself. How is that an acceptable way to view the world, and why shouldn't I call you on it?

Nothing in Sinsear's OP suggests your accusation. He made an observation that Islam is making significant inroads in England and don't tell me that offends you.

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: hellokeith
En other news, Espanol becomes the offical language of America de Norte.

What a great thing is political correctness..

What does PC have to do with this? Seriously. Are we supposed to make it a crime if Americans speak some language other than English? Or worship other than the Christian God?
Or wait... are you proposing sanctions, like "Irish need not apply"? Isn't that kind of like AA for Nativists?

:roll:

PC has everything to do with it. It's why our borders are wide open, illegal aliens are called "immigrants" by the media, and English was never declared the official language of our nation even though our DoI and Constitution were written in English. Did you know that in some states you don't even have to speak English or even be a citizen to have a driver license? And California may contemplate letting illegal aliens vote?

Are we supposed to make it a crime if Americans speak some language other than English? Of course not, that is ridiculous. But every person should be legally required to learn English, else we start having to translate our founding documents into Swahili and Hyroglyphics.

Or worship other than the Christian God? Nice red herring. Religion has nothing to do with it. Except for in the case when you start getting woke up at 4am by the very loud Mosque call for prayer, then you'll won't complain so much about the church bells at noon.

Or wait... are you proposing sanctions, like "Irish need not apply"? Isn't that kind of like AA for Nativists? Have something against Irish?My family has English, Irish, and French in its family tree..

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: venkman
Topic Title: As England Turns...
Topic Summary: ...Muslims to "outnumber traditional churchgoers"

Tell the Roman Catholics should go to church instead of watching soccer games. Problem Solved!

Me think there are less Roman Catholics in England than you believe. Maybe you mean Anglican?

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Speaking of people foaming at the mouth, were those Indians wrong who said we?d kill them and destroy their civilization? Why do you want the natives to lose again when you?re standing on our side of the equation? Is this some practice in self mutilation because it appears to be rather effective ? you?ll see the merits of our arguments later this century.

In 40 years, the "natives" here will be non-White. Is a Hispanic, Black, or Asian person born in America any less "native" than a White person?

Your penchant for dragging race into the equation is as bad as Socio's. Just you are the opposite of the spectrum.

You two deserve to be locked with each other alone with clubs in hand.

I'm not sure I'd get too up on your high horse there, buddy. The fact that your issue is religion and not race doesn't make you morally superior, it just makes you different.

Why would I need a high horse when I can bask in the glory of common sense? The fact of the matter is Jpeyton dragged race into this thread, thus giving Socio to begin his rant about the purity of his race.

That's the last thing I need. Getting the legitimate concerns of people like me lumped with that of Socio, itself compound with Jpeyton's gloating about the decline of the white race.

Something tells me you would like such a thing, wouldn't you?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Rainsford

And if it appears that I'm "slandering" you guys, it's only because I am. Look at what spawned this particular thread. It wasn't a story about long term and irreversible trends involving the vast majority of a particular immigrant group killing off people who already live somewhere, although that's what you turned it into. It was a story about how Muslims who attend services will outnumber Catholics who attend services, which is apparently offensive all by itself. How is that an acceptable way to view the world, and why shouldn't I call you on it?

Nothing in Sinsear's OP suggests your accusation. He made an observation that Islam is making significant inroads in England and don't tell me that offends you.

As it has been discussed before, the inclusion of Sharia law could be somewhere close down the road if the appeasement keeps up.

That comment in Sinsear's OP is either remarkably out of place or a pretty good example of attitude I'm talking about. And I'm not saying *I'm* offended, I'm saying that the bar is set pretty low for you guys to get all offended by something involving Muslims.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: piasabird
Cant wait till the muslims start sharia law and start executing gays and giving public beatings to women in what they call immodest clothing. This is what you have to look forward to. After that they wil want to close all the pubs.

I also predict this. Then civil war to follow, then mass genocide/exodus.

In other words, the native Brits won't allow it. So it's a non-issue.

And it's not like a large number of the Christians right here in America haven't been trying to close all the pubs for the past 150 years (and were actually successful at that for about 13 years), so really this Islam bashing is BS. Christians worldwide are barely 2-3 generations beyond their own "sharia" laws, if even that.

The difference is Christians don't go around shutting down pubs themselves while Muslims in Europe often commit honor killings.

So what is an example of a Christian "sharia" law? Jesus only gave two commandments: 1) love your Lord with all your heart... 2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: hellokeith
En other news, Espanol becomes the offical language of America de Norte.

What a great thing is political correctness..

What does PC have to do with this? Seriously. Are we supposed to make it a crime if Americans speak some language other than English? Or worship other than the Christian God?
Or wait... are you proposing sanctions, like "Irish need not apply"? Isn't that kind of like AA for Nativists?

:roll:

PC has everything to do with it. It's why our borders are wide open, illegal aliens are called "immigrants" by the media, and English was never declared the official language of our nation even though our DoI and Constitution were written in English. Did you know that in some states you don't even have to speak English or even be a citizen to have a driver license? And California may contemplate letting illegal aliens vote?

Are we supposed to make it a crime if Americans speak some language other than English? Of course not, that is ridiculous. But every person should be legally required to learn English, else we start having to translate our founding documents into Swahili and Hyroglyphics.

Or worship other than the Christian God? Nice red herring. Religion has nothing to do with it. Except for in the case when you start getting woke up at 4am by the very loud Mosque call for prayer, then you'll won't complain so much about the church bells at noon.

Or wait... are you proposing sanctions, like "Irish need not apply"? Isn't that kind of like AA for Nativists? Have something against Irish?My family has English, Irish, and French in its family tree..

Well then it's good thing for you that your ancestors and mine didn't have to deal with that English-only requirement (that you want) and the immigration quotas (which is what makes illegals "illegal") at Ellis Island then, eh?

You're a moron. Seriously.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: hellokeith
En other news, Espanol becomes the offical language of America de Norte.

What a great thing is political correctness..

What does PC have to do with this? Seriously. Are we supposed to make it a crime if Americans speak some language other than English? Or worship other than the Christian God?
Or wait... are you proposing sanctions, like "Irish need not apply"? Isn't that kind of like AA for Nativists?

:roll:

PC has everything to do with it. It's why our borders are wide open, illegal aliens are called "immigrants" by the media, and English was never declared the official language of our nation even though our DoI and Constitution were written in English. Did you know that in some states you don't even have to speak English or even be a citizen to have a driver license? And California may contemplate letting illegal aliens vote?

Are we supposed to make it a crime if Americans speak some language other than English? Of course not, that is ridiculous. But every person should be legally required to learn English, else we start having to translate our founding documents into Swahili and Hyroglyphics.

Or worship other than the Christian God? Nice red herring. Religion has nothing to do with it. Except for in the case when you start getting woke up at 4am by the very loud Mosque call for prayer, then you'll won't complain so much about the church bells at noon.

Or wait... are you proposing sanctions, like "Irish need not apply"? Isn't that kind of like AA for Nativists? Have something against Irish?My family has English, Irish, and French in its family tree..

Please keep this discussion going guys. By a combination of design, luck, maybe providence, we've somehow gotten a thread together that gets all the racists, anti-immigrant, and anti-islamic people participating in a perfect storm of retardation. I hadn't read this thread until now, but I was just scrolling down through these posts laughing. This has the potential to be a classic.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Speaking of people foaming at the mouth, were those Indians wrong who said we?d kill them and destroy their civilization? Why do you want the natives to lose again when you?re standing on our side of the equation? Is this some practice in self mutilation because it appears to be rather effective ? you?ll see the merits of our arguments later this century.

In 40 years, the "natives" here will be non-White. Is a Hispanic, Black, or Asian person born in America any less "native" than a White person?

Your penchant for dragging race into the equation is as bad as Socio's. Just you are the opposite of the spectrum.

You two deserve to be locked with each other alone with clubs in hand.

I'm not sure I'd get too up on your high horse there, buddy. The fact that your issue is religion and not race doesn't make you morally superior, it just makes you different.

Why would I need a high horse when I can bask in the glory of common sense? The fact of the matter is Jpeyton dragged race into this thread, thus giving Socio to begin his rant about the purity of his race.

That's the last thing I need. Getting the legitimate concerns of people like me lumped with that of Socio, itself compound with Jpeyton's gloating about the decline of the white race.

Something tells me you would like such a thing, wouldn't you?

I think the discussion of race is stupid...but I don't think similar discussions about religion are any more intelligent.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: JS80
The difference is Christians don't go around shutting down pubs themselves while Muslims in Europe often commit honor killings.

How often? More or less often than Christians, Jews, and Athiests kill each other driving drunk?

If often is 1 in every 500,000 Muslims, that's below the murder rate of most large cities.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: piasabird
Cant wait till the muslims start sharia law and start executing gays and giving public beatings to women in what they call immodest clothing. This is what you have to look forward to. After that they wil want to close all the pubs.

I also predict this. Then civil war to follow, then mass genocide/exodus.

In other words, the native Brits won't allow it. So it's a non-issue.

And it's not like a large number of the Christians right here in America haven't been trying to close all the pubs for the past 150 years (and were actually successful at that for about 13 years), so really this Islam bashing is BS. Christians worldwide are barely 2-3 generations beyond their own "sharia" laws, if even that.

The difference is Christians don't go around shutting down pubs themselves while Muslims in Europe often commit honor killings.

So what is an example of a Christian "sharia" law? Jesus only gave two commandments: 1) love your Lord with all your heart... 2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

Christians don't go around shutting down pubs? Who was Carrie Nation then? What was the Prohibition? What are blue laws and dry counties?
No honor killings? What's a shotgun wedding then? Or were those just some sect of Appalachian Muslims?

And Jesus might have only given 2 commandments in Matthew 22:36-40, but that doesn't stop the "pro lifers" from shooting abortion doctors now does it? Or censorship laws, etc etc..

Any other history you care to revise?

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Rainsford


That comment in Sinsear's OP is either remarkably out of place or a pretty good example of attitude I'm talking about. And I'm not saying *I'm* offended, I'm saying that the bar is set pretty low for you guys to get all offended by something involving Muslims.

What's so wrong about Sinsear's cwondering about the possibility of the Shariat being included within English law?



Sinsear wasn't the guy to think of this first, you got their beloved Anglican head Rowan whatisname who claimed such incorporation being unavoidable in the future. And I wouldn't blame him for it. Appeasement of a growing minority community is a weakness all politicians succumb to in their quest for votes.

I live in a nation where the sharia is a part of my national lawcode, thus damning the muslim community and especially their woman to a hellhole. This law give their males inconceivable rights such as the right to marry four women at once, instant divorce by just uttering the word 'talaq' thrice in a mere moment, abrogation of their duty to even pay maintenance to their divorced wives.


Guess what, Rainsford. The thing which is so offensive to you coming from the words of Sinsear is already reality in my nation. It's this what he fears in the west and while its your right to be the proverbial ostrich, please don't expect us to bury our heads in the sand following your shining example.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

I think the discussion of race is stupid...but I don't think similar discussions about religion are any more intelligent.

Am I reading this for real? Are you naive enough to think religion plays no part in social or historical context? Or are you just scared of it?

Race and religion are as different as chalk and cheese. To lump one with the other is just wishful hoping on your part that they would disappear without scaring you too much.

 

[Vic]

Rowan Williams made that statement because, as the Archbishop of Canterbury, it's in his own political interests to stir up anti-Muslim alarmism. Acting like he's some kind of disinterested neutral 3rd party is just silly.

 

[Red Dawn]

There'll be 683,000 praying in Mosques in 10 years? That doesn't sound to threatening to me.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Speaking of people foaming at the mouth, were those Indians wrong who said we?d kill them and destroy their civilization? Why do you want the natives to lose again when you?re standing on our side of the equation? Is this some practice in self mutilation because it appears to be rather effective ? you?ll see the merits of our arguments later this century.

In 40 years, the "natives" here will be non-White. Is a Hispanic, Black, or Asian person born in America any less "native" than a White person?

Why demagogue the issue of immigration and cultural differences down to the color of one?s skin? Why is that the only thing you care about and see?

I understand you harp on an issue whose argument was won years before you type it out. That your use of it is a deflection to distract us from the real topic. You?re avoiding the mention of religious and cultural differences because that is an argument you cannot win as westerners bleed and die every day.