As England Turns...

[JS80]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: piasabird
Cant wait till the muslims start sharia law and start executing gays and giving public beatings to women in what they call immodest clothing. This is what you have to look forward to. After that they wil want to close all the pubs.

I also predict this. Then civil war to follow, then mass genocide/exodus.

In other words, the native Brits won't allow it. So it's a non-issue.

And it's not like a large number of the Christians right here in America haven't been trying to close all the pubs for the past 150 years (and were actually successful at that for about 13 years), so really this Islam bashing is BS. Christians worldwide are barely 2-3 generations beyond their own "sharia" laws, if even that.

The difference is Christians don't go around shutting down pubs themselves while Muslims in Europe often commit honor killings.

So what is an example of a Christian "sharia" law? Jesus only gave two commandments: 1) love your Lord with all your heart... 2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

Christians don't go around shutting down pubs? Who was Carrie Nation then? What was the Prohibition? What are blue laws and dry counties?
No honor killings? What's a shotgun wedding then? Or were those just some sect of Appalachian Muslims?

And Jesus might have only given 2 commandments in Matthew 22:36-40, but that doesn't stop the "pro lifers" from shooting abortion doctors now does it? Or censorship laws, etc etc..

Any other history you care to revise?

Those aren't Christian things. In no way can you derive actions of those you just named to ANY of Jesus's teachings. Whereas what "radical" Muslims are doing are justifiable in the Koran. What version of the New Testament did you read?

Some people who claim to be Christian use the religion to gain power and push their political agenda but are doing anti-Christian things, whereas the Islamofacists are doing exactly what their prophet Mohammed taught them to do as written in the Koran.

BS. Just as your quote, "Those aren't Christian things.", the same is true of what the Radical Muslims are doing. Both Christianity and Islam has those within it who twist words to their own ends.

Show me one snippet out of Jesus's words that comes even close to anything violent. Be my guest to take it out of context.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: piasabird
Cant wait till the muslims start sharia law and start executing gays and giving public beatings to women in what they call immodest clothing. This is what you have to look forward to. After that they wil want to close all the pubs.

I also predict this. Then civil war to follow, then mass genocide/exodus.

In other words, the native Brits won't allow it. So it's a non-issue.

And it's not like a large number of the Christians right here in America haven't been trying to close all the pubs for the past 150 years (and were actually successful at that for about 13 years), so really this Islam bashing is BS. Christians worldwide are barely 2-3 generations beyond their own "sharia" laws, if even that.

The difference is Christians don't go around shutting down pubs themselves while Muslims in Europe often commit honor killings.

So what is an example of a Christian "sharia" law? Jesus only gave two commandments: 1) love your Lord with all your heart... 2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

Christians don't go around shutting down pubs? Who was Carrie Nation then? What was the Prohibition? What are blue laws and dry counties?
No honor killings? What's a shotgun wedding then? Or were those just some sect of Appalachian Muslims?

And Jesus might have only given 2 commandments in Matthew 22:36-40, but that doesn't stop the "pro lifers" from shooting abortion doctors now does it? Or censorship laws, etc etc..

Any other history you care to revise?

Those aren't Christian things. In no way can you derive actions of those you just named to ANY of Jesus's teachings. Whereas what "radical" Muslims are doing are justifiable in the Koran. What version of the New Testament did you read?

Some people who claim to be Christian use the religion to gain power and push their political agenda but are doing anti-Christian things, whereas the Islamofacists are doing exactly what their prophet Mohammed taught them to do as written in the Koran.

BS. Just as your quote, "Those aren't Christian things.", the same is true of what the Radical Muslims are doing. Both Christianity and Islam has those within it who twist words to their own ends.

Show me one snippet out of Jesus's words that comes even close to anything violent. Be my guest to take it out of context.

Did I say Jesus was used by Christians to commit criminal acts? Fact is Extremist Christians have used the Bible for all kinds of nefarious purposes. Whether they used Jesus words or not is completely moot.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: piasabird
Cant wait till the muslims start sharia law and start executing gays and giving public beatings to women in what they call immodest clothing. This is what you have to look forward to. After that they wil want to close all the pubs.

I also predict this. Then civil war to follow, then mass genocide/exodus.

In other words, the native Brits won't allow it. So it's a non-issue.

And it's not like a large number of the Christians right here in America haven't been trying to close all the pubs for the past 150 years (and were actually successful at that for about 13 years), so really this Islam bashing is BS. Christians worldwide are barely 2-3 generations beyond their own "sharia" laws, if even that.

The difference is Christians don't go around shutting down pubs themselves while Muslims in Europe often commit honor killings.

So what is an example of a Christian "sharia" law? Jesus only gave two commandments: 1) love your Lord with all your heart... 2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

Christians don't go around shutting down pubs? Who was Carrie Nation then? What was the Prohibition? What are blue laws and dry counties?
No honor killings? What's a shotgun wedding then? Or were those just some sect of Appalachian Muslims?

And Jesus might have only given 2 commandments in Matthew 22:36-40, but that doesn't stop the "pro lifers" from shooting abortion doctors now does it? Or censorship laws, etc etc..

Any other history you care to revise?

Those aren't Christian things. In no way can you derive actions of those you just named to ANY of Jesus's teachings. Whereas what "radical" Muslims are doing are justifiable in the Koran. What version of the New Testament did you read?

Some people who claim to be Christian use the religion to gain power and push their political agenda but are doing anti-Christian things, whereas the Islamofacists are doing exactly what their prophet Mohammed taught them to do as written in the Koran.

BS. Just as your quote, "Those aren't Christian things.", the same is true of what the Radical Muslims are doing. Both Christianity and Islam has those within it who twist words to their own ends.

Show me one snippet out of Jesus's words that comes even close to anything violent. Be my guest to take it out of context.

Did I say Jesus was used by Christians to commit criminal acts? Fact is Extremist Christians have used the Bible for all kinds of nefarious purposes. Whether they used Jesus words or not is completely moot.

How is someone who doesn't follow Jesus's teachings considered a Christian?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: piasabird
Cant wait till the muslims start sharia law and start executing gays and giving public beatings to women in what they call immodest clothing. This is what you have to look forward to. After that they wil want to close all the pubs.

I also predict this. Then civil war to follow, then mass genocide/exodus.

In other words, the native Brits won't allow it. So it's a non-issue.

And it's not like a large number of the Christians right here in America haven't been trying to close all the pubs for the past 150 years (and were actually successful at that for about 13 years), so really this Islam bashing is BS. Christians worldwide are barely 2-3 generations beyond their own "sharia" laws, if even that.

The difference is Christians don't go around shutting down pubs themselves while Muslims in Europe often commit honor killings.

So what is an example of a Christian "sharia" law? Jesus only gave two commandments: 1) love your Lord with all your heart... 2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

Christians don't go around shutting down pubs? Who was Carrie Nation then? What was the Prohibition? What are blue laws and dry counties?
No honor killings? What's a shotgun wedding then? Or were those just some sect of Appalachian Muslims?

And Jesus might have only given 2 commandments in Matthew 22:36-40, but that doesn't stop the "pro lifers" from shooting abortion doctors now does it? Or censorship laws, etc etc..

Any other history you care to revise?

Those aren't Christian things. In no way can you derive actions of those you just named to ANY of Jesus's teachings. Whereas what "radical" Muslims are doing are justifiable in the Koran. What version of the New Testament did you read?

Some people who claim to be Christian use the religion to gain power and push their political agenda but are doing anti-Christian things, whereas the Islamofacists are doing exactly what their prophet Mohammed taught them to do as written in the Koran.

BS. Just as your quote, "Those aren't Christian things.", the same is true of what the Radical Muslims are doing. Both Christianity and Islam has those within it who twist words to their own ends.

Show me one snippet out of Jesus's words that comes even close to anything violent. Be my guest to take it out of context.

Did I say Jesus was used by Christians to commit criminal acts? Fact is Extremist Christians have used the Bible for all kinds of nefarious purposes. Whether they used Jesus words or not is completely moot.

How is someone who doesn't follow Jesus's teachings considered a Christian?

See, now you're just being stupid and proving my point. The same can be said of Islamic Extremists. They don't really follow the Koran, so they must not be Muslim. Surely you won't deny how the term "Christian" and "Muslim" work. Neither term adheres to a strict correct interpretation of their respective Religion, mainly because interpretations vary and every branch considers theirs to be the correct interpretation.

So quit playing stupid word games.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: piasabird
Cant wait till the muslims start sharia law and start executing gays and giving public beatings to women in what they call immodest clothing. This is what you have to look forward to. After that they wil want to close all the pubs.

I also predict this. Then civil war to follow, then mass genocide/exodus.

In other words, the native Brits won't allow it. So it's a non-issue.

And it's not like a large number of the Christians right here in America haven't been trying to close all the pubs for the past 150 years (and were actually successful at that for about 13 years), so really this Islam bashing is BS. Christians worldwide are barely 2-3 generations beyond their own "sharia" laws, if even that.

The difference is Christians don't go around shutting down pubs themselves while Muslims in Europe often commit honor killings.

So what is an example of a Christian "sharia" law? Jesus only gave two commandments: 1) love your Lord with all your heart... 2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

Christians don't go around shutting down pubs? Who was Carrie Nation then? What was the Prohibition? What are blue laws and dry counties?
No honor killings? What's a shotgun wedding then? Or were those just some sect of Appalachian Muslims?

And Jesus might have only given 2 commandments in Matthew 22:36-40, but that doesn't stop the "pro lifers" from shooting abortion doctors now does it? Or censorship laws, etc etc..

Any other history you care to revise?

Those aren't Christian things. In no way can you derive actions of those you just named to ANY of Jesus's teachings. Whereas what "radical" Muslims are doing are justifiable in the Koran. What version of the New Testament did you read?

Some people who claim to be Christian use the religion to gain power and push their political agenda but are doing anti-Christian things, whereas the Islamofacists are doing exactly what their prophet Mohammed taught them to do as written in the Koran.

BS. Just as your quote, "Those aren't Christian things.", the same is true of what the Radical Muslims are doing. Both Christianity and Islam has those within it who twist words to their own ends.

Show me one snippet out of Jesus's words that comes even close to anything violent. Be my guest to take it out of context.

Did I say Jesus was used by Christians to commit criminal acts? Fact is Extremist Christians have used the Bible for all kinds of nefarious purposes. Whether they used Jesus words or not is completely moot.

How is someone who doesn't follow Jesus's teachings considered a Christian?

See, now you're just being stupid and proving my point. The same can be said of Islamic Extremists. They don't really follow the Koran, so they must not be Muslim. Surely you won't deny how the term "Christian" and "Muslim" work. Neither term adheres to a strict correct interpretation of their respective Religion, mainly because interpretations vary and every branch considers theirs to be the correct interpretation.

So quit playing stupid word games.

You can't even give me one Jesus quote to take out of context and twist it to mean kill someone.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: piasabird
Cant wait till the muslims start sharia law and start executing gays and giving public beatings to women in what they call immodest clothing. This is what you have to look forward to. After that they wil want to close all the pubs.

I also predict this. Then civil war to follow, then mass genocide/exodus.

In other words, the native Brits won't allow it. So it's a non-issue.

And it's not like a large number of the Christians right here in America haven't been trying to close all the pubs for the past 150 years (and were actually successful at that for about 13 years), so really this Islam bashing is BS. Christians worldwide are barely 2-3 generations beyond their own "sharia" laws, if even that.

The difference is Christians don't go around shutting down pubs themselves while Muslims in Europe often commit honor killings.

So what is an example of a Christian "sharia" law? Jesus only gave two commandments: 1) love your Lord with all your heart... 2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

Christians don't go around shutting down pubs? Who was Carrie Nation then? What was the Prohibition? What are blue laws and dry counties?
No honor killings? What's a shotgun wedding then? Or were those just some sect of Appalachian Muslims?

And Jesus might have only given 2 commandments in Matthew 22:36-40, but that doesn't stop the "pro lifers" from shooting abortion doctors now does it? Or censorship laws, etc etc..

Any other history you care to revise?

Those aren't Christian things. In no way can you derive actions of those you just named to ANY of Jesus's teachings. Whereas what "radical" Muslims are doing are justifiable in the Koran. What version of the New Testament did you read?

Some people who claim to be Christian use the religion to gain power and push their political agenda but are doing anti-Christian things, whereas the Islamofacists are doing exactly what their prophet Mohammed taught them to do as written in the Koran.

BS. Just as your quote, "Those aren't Christian things.", the same is true of what the Radical Muslims are doing. Both Christianity and Islam has those within it who twist words to their own ends.

Show me one snippet out of Jesus's words that comes even close to anything violent. Be my guest to take it out of context.

Did I say Jesus was used by Christians to commit criminal acts? Fact is Extremist Christians have used the Bible for all kinds of nefarious purposes. Whether they used Jesus words or not is completely moot.

How is someone who doesn't follow Jesus's teachings considered a Christian?

See, now you're just being stupid and proving my point. The same can be said of Islamic Extremists. They don't really follow the Koran, so they must not be Muslim. Surely you won't deny how the term "Christian" and "Muslim" work. Neither term adheres to a strict correct interpretation of their respective Religion, mainly because interpretations vary and every branch considers theirs to be the correct interpretation.

So quit playing stupid word games.

You can't even give me one Jesus quote to take out of context and twist it to mean kill someone.

duh!

 

[yours truly]

england is one of the most secular countries in the world. so what if muslim want to practice their religion here. the uk is not going to be governed by sharia law..

even if one day it did, its more preferable than the Church of England, which incidently the foundation was created by the mass murderer king henry viii

 

[Oric]

Last time I heard "Roman Catholicism" was not the prefered sect of the Christians in UK. Why do they compare them with Muslims ?

 

[Braznor]

Nested quote wars here, FTW

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Rainsford

I think the discussion of race is stupid...but I don't think similar discussions about religion are any more intelligent.

Am I reading this for real? Are you naive enough to think religion plays no part in social or historical context? Or are you just scared of it?

Race and religion are as different as chalk and cheese. To lump one with the other is just wishful hoping on your part that they would disappear without scaring you too much.

That part of my post I bolded is the key. I think religion, as well as race, play "a part in social and historical context". I also think that they are natural instigators of division between groups of people and there is no denying that they've been at the root of social problems throughout history.

But what I'm objecting to is this alarmist Islamophobia that seems to have affected a disturbingly large group of people. You keep accusing me of ignoring problems or sticking my head in the sand, but I don't think it's at all unreasonable to claim a middle ground between ignoring potential social issues and "OMG, teh Isalms are coming!!!!111".

You are sticking your head in the proverbial sand, you sound as if Europe is turning itself over to immigrants who are peace loving , happy happy joy joy striving for the betterment of all mankind people which is delusional at best.

Here this is a must read for you right here;

A Clash of Civilizations

Europe isn't turning itself over to ANYONE, that's my point.

By allowing an outside force to come in piss all over your melting pot, kick it out of the way so they can set up theirs which is does not allow melting of many ingredients just a singular one and do it with little resistance is in fact turning it self over.

What the Europeans just don?t seem to get is they are slowly and methodically raising the white flag and surrendering to a force that does NOT take prisoners.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
Story Here

The increasing influence of Islam on British culture is disclosed in research today that shows the number of Muslims worshipping at mosques in England and Wales will outstrip the numbers of Roman Catholics going to church in little more than a decade.

Projections to be published next month estimate that, if trends continue, the number of Catholic worshippers at Sunday Mass will fall to 679,000 by 2020.

By that time, statisticians predict, the number of Muslims praying in mosques on Fridays will have increased to 683,000.

The Christian Research figures also suggest that, over the same period, the number of Muslims at mosques will overtake Church of England members at Sunday services.

Church spokesmen point out, however, that a growing number of Anglicans worship at other times of the week.

The projections show that, if the Churches do not reverse their historical decline, there will be more active Muslims than Christians in Sunday services across Britain before the middle of the century.

The figures, based on Government and academic sources and the latest edition of Christian Research's Religious Trends, come amid growing tensions over the place of Muslims in British society.

They follow fierce rows over the extent to which Islamic law should be recognised and over claims that "no-go" areas for non-Muslims are emerging in parts of the country.

Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, provoked criticism by saying the introduction of some aspects of sharia into British society was "unavoidable".

The Bishop of Rochester, the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali, faced death threats after writing in The Sunday Telegraph that Islamic extremism was turning some communities into "no-go" areas "where adherence to this ideology has become a mark of acceptability".

Peter Brierley, a former Government statistician who edited the latest Religious Trends, said that the continuing growth of the Muslim population since the 2001 census would have significant implications for society.

Islam is making more of an inroad into England everyday. And with the modern trend of less and less people going to church this is a very feasible statistic. As it has been discussed before, the inclusion of Sharia law could be somewhere close down the road if the appeasement keeps up.

If you are concern about any relgion pushing their agenda onto you, vote for politicians, in the US particularly for President, who support the separation of church and state. In the US, the President nominates the US Supreme Court Justices who determine what is consititutional.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Rainsford

I think the discussion of race is stupid...but I don't think similar discussions about religion are any more intelligent.

Am I reading this for real? Are you naive enough to think religion plays no part in social or historical context? Or are you just scared of it?

Race and religion are as different as chalk and cheese. To lump one with the other is just wishful hoping on your part that they would disappear without scaring you too much.

That part of my post I bolded is the key. I think religion, as well as race, play "a part in social and historical context". I also think that they are natural instigators of division between groups of people and there is no denying that they've been at the root of social problems throughout history.

But what I'm objecting to is this alarmist Islamophobia that seems to have affected a disturbingly large group of people. You keep accusing me of ignoring problems or sticking my head in the sand, but I don't think it's at all unreasonable to claim a middle ground between ignoring potential social issues and "OMG, teh Isalms are coming!!!!111".

You are sticking your head in the proverbial sand, you sound as if Europe is turning itself over to immigrants who are peace loving , happy happy joy joy striving for the betterment of all mankind people which is delusional at best.

Here this is a must read for you right here;

A Clash of Civilizations

Europe isn't turning itself over to ANYONE, that's my point.

By allowing an outside force to come in piss all over your melting pot, kick it out of the way so they can set up theirs which is does not allow melting of many ingredients just a singular one and do it with little resistance is in fact turning it self over.

What the Europeans just don?t seem to get is they are slowly and methodically raising the white flag and surrendering to a force that does NOT take prisoners.

That's great...but it's easy to just let metaphor and rhetoric run amok. But do you have any proof that this is happening?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Rainsford

I think the discussion of race is stupid...but I don't think similar discussions about religion are any more intelligent.

Am I reading this for real? Are you naive enough to think religion plays no part in social or historical context? Or are you just scared of it?

Race and religion are as different as chalk and cheese. To lump one with the other is just wishful hoping on your part that they would disappear without scaring you too much.

That part of my post I bolded is the key. I think religion, as well as race, play "a part in social and historical context". I also think that they are natural instigators of division between groups of people and there is no denying that they've been at the root of social problems throughout history.

But what I'm objecting to is this alarmist Islamophobia that seems to have affected a disturbingly large group of people. You keep accusing me of ignoring problems or sticking my head in the sand, but I don't think it's at all unreasonable to claim a middle ground between ignoring potential social issues and "OMG, teh Isalms are coming!!!!111".

You are sticking your head in the proverbial sand, you sound as if Europe is turning itself over to immigrants who are peace loving , happy happy joy joy striving for the betterment of all mankind people which is delusional at best.

Here this is a must read for you right here;

A Clash of Civilizations

Europe isn't turning itself over to ANYONE, that's my point.

By allowing an outside force to come in piss all over your melting pot, kick it out of the way so they can set up theirs which is does not allow melting of many ingredients just a singular one and do it with little resistance is in fact turning it self over.

What the Europeans just don?t seem to get is they are slowly and methodically raising the white flag and surrendering to a force that does NOT take prisoners.

That's great...but it's easy to just let metaphor and rhetoric run amok. But do you have any proof that this is happening?

This guys Socio sounds like he'd support the "Final Solution" except with Muslims instead of Jews

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Rainsford

I think the discussion of race is stupid...but I don't think similar discussions about religion are any more intelligent.

Am I reading this for real? Are you naive enough to think religion plays no part in social or historical context? Or are you just scared of it?

Race and religion are as different as chalk and cheese. To lump one with the other is just wishful hoping on your part that they would disappear without scaring you too much.

That part of my post I bolded is the key. I think religion, as well as race, play "a part in social and historical context". I also think that they are natural instigators of division between groups of people and there is no denying that they've been at the root of social problems throughout history.

But what I'm objecting to is this alarmist Islamophobia that seems to have affected a disturbingly large group of people. You keep accusing me of ignoring problems or sticking my head in the sand, but I don't think it's at all unreasonable to claim a middle ground between ignoring potential social issues and "OMG, teh Isalms are coming!!!!111".

You are sticking your head in the proverbial sand, you sound as if Europe is turning itself over to immigrants who are peace loving , happy happy joy joy striving for the betterment of all mankind people which is delusional at best.

Here this is a must read for you right here;

A Clash of Civilizations

Europe isn't turning itself over to ANYONE, that's my point.

By allowing an outside force to come in piss all over your melting pot, kick it out of the way so they can set up theirs which is does not allow melting of many ingredients just a singular one and do it with little resistance is in fact turning it self over.

What the Europeans just don?t seem to get is they are slowly and methodically raising the white flag and surrendering to a force that does NOT take prisoners.

That's great...but it's easy to just let metaphor and rhetoric run amok. But do you have any proof that this is happening?

Read that Clash of Civilizations link, read this one to and see what Ex-Muslims have to say;

Native Revolt: A European Declaration of Independence

For example:

Jonathan Friedman, an American living in Sweden, mentions that the so-called Integration Act of 1997 proclaimed that "Sweden is a Multicultural society." The Act implicitly states that Sweden doesn't have a history, only the various ethnic groups that live there. Native Swedes have been reduced to just another ethnic group in Sweden, with no more claim to the country than the Somalis who arrived there last Thursday. As Friedman puts it: "In Sweden, it's almost as if the state has sided with the immigrants against the Swedish working class."

Another damn good read it even explains your views and many others on the forum:

Dare to Speak: Islam vs Free Democracy and Free Enterprise-Intro

From chapter #3

Unfortunately, even the Westerners who perceive a danger rarely grasp its full scope. Religious war simply does not fit with their understanding of the world. While they may be able to grasp the notion of Islamic terrorism or ?Islamofascism,? it is inconceivable that Islam itself could be hostile. They assume, without questioning, that all religions are basically the same, and that all religions teach about peace and love.

Here is one more very good read for you to ponder by Amil Imani Iranian-born American citizen. Read the whole article it gives some good insight as to why Muslims to not denounce terrorism and why ALL Muslims are guilty to a varying extent.


A Bridge to "Moderate" Islam Is In Fact a Road to Hell

Let us, for the record, be clear on this subject one more time: Islamism, Islamofascism, Radical Islam, Political Islam, and Militant Islam are different terms for essentially the same thing, a virulent, hateful, dangerous and violent system of beliefs and practices. Yet, one and all are progeny and mutation of Islam itself.

Islam in all of its forms and sects is simply an evil ideology that is practiced by all Muslims, an ideology that increasingly is manifesting in evil, inhuman and murderous manifestations Islamism is a pincer, with the world in its jaws between the end-of-the-world Shiism and the jihadist Sunnis. To the simple mind of western ?intellectuals?, within every ideology there must always be ?good liberals? and ?bad conservatives,? and so they search in vain for the ?moderate?, ?reasonable? and ?pragmatic? wing of any threatening ideology.

But in their enormous ignorance of the realities of Islam, they fail to realize that in Islam, the wings are not ?left? and ?right?, or ?liberal? vs. ?conservative?; they are two jaws in the same supremacist device that aims to crush the life of all non-believers. I will explain why attempting to build a bridge to ?moderate? Islam is in fact a road to hell, since ?moderate Islam? is oxymoronic. Any moderacy in Islam is in fact incompatible and in conflict with essential Islam, its power structure and its controlling proponents.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
4: Why the hell would they come here when they intend to oppose our melting pot? Why should we allow that opposition within our own home?

This is my real sticking point.

Societies do change over time, attitudes change, behaviors go in and out of fashion, etc. These changes are often slow and occur from within.

However, outside forces cannot come in and try to foist societal changes on their host country, without fear of reprisals. While we haven't reached the tipping point yet, there are rough times ahead if this isn't curbed considerably.

Thank you sir, for turning brilliant what was a rather dim point of mine.

We show no attitude of coming together to apply the pressure necessary for Islam to cut out its cancer. ?What, me worry?? seems to be the prevailing attitude. That will ensure we reach the tipping point. The only thing necessary for disease to spread is for good men to do nothing.

Some may argue that they are citizens, so it's not an outside force. I don't see it that way, when you have a set of values that you know conflicts with the societal values of a country that you plan to move to, you need to be prepared to either accept the differences of those around you, or change your value system. Those are your choices, period.

The worst of this is that it's religiously based so trying to have a sane debate is almost impossible as pointing to the Quran is the ultimate trump card.

This is the danger of allowing religion to play too large a role in people's public lives, it's a private matter and trying to use religious justification for public policy is a slippery slope.

The trump card is the Democratic base coveting Islam as an abused and mistreated minority equal in status to any of their other minority groups. Thereby receiving the same debate squelching key words as racist, bigot, and *phobe.

We?re apparently racist if we say anything is amiss, clearly the only problem is us. Obviously we?re not accommodating our new citizens with enough diversity.

It appears that within all western societies there is a civil divide between fostering the host of a disease that is killing us. Certainly the majority of us aren?t in danger anytime soon. Yet this is not a war of military might. This is a contest of will ? and in this contest we are utterly bankrupt. We are not mounting ANY sort of proper offensive and line in the sand that they cannot cross. We do not demand condemnation of violence. We do not demand zero imposition against us. We demand nothing.

Instead we distract ourselves with foreign wars while at the same time securing Islam?s place in the Democratic Party?s coveted minority status. A rather excellent place to be if you want to be beyond reproach. If you never want to cure its cancer, and instead want to swallow it whole.

 

[superstition]

I can't bear to read all the posts in the topic, but suffice to say that England is getting a dose of its own medicine. Iraq was drawn, literally, by the British for imperialist/colonialist purposes. The former colonial empires like England and The Netherlands are being slowly colonized and transformed from the inside by people who were once controlled by them. Protests and death threats about cartoons of Muhammed and head scarves in schools are only the beginning. We're talking about two radically different cultures (compare Iran with The Netherlands), and there is going to be conflict, especially when a culture has a low birthrate. In Quebec, the French speaking group has one of the world's lowest birthrates. Immigrants are not wanting their children to learn French and the culture is being changed from the inside, despite resistance from the French speaking group. The more educated and developed a population is, the lower the birthrate tends to be. This leaves such cultures open to colonization from the inside due to a shortage of labor.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: superstition
I can't bear to read all the posts in the topic, but suffice to say that England is getting a dose of its own medicine. Iraq was drawn, literally, by the British for imperialist/colonialist purposes. The former colonial empires like England and The Netherlands are being slowly colonized and transformed from the inside by people who were once controlled by them. Protests and death threats about cartoons of Muhammed and head scarves in schools are only the beginning. We're talking about two radically different cultures (compare Iran with The Netherlands), and there is going to be conflict, especially when a culture has a low birthrate. In Quebec, the French speaking group has one of the world's lowest birthrates. Immigrants are not wanting their children to learn French and the culture is being changed from the inside, despite resistance from the French speaking group. The more educated and developed a population is, the lower the birthrate tends to be. This leaves such cultures open to colonization from the inside due to a shortage of labor.

That's an interesting point. We are certainly at a crossroads in history and how that plays out will depend on what we do. It can be constructive or destructive. The choice is ours.

It certainly is the case that Europe needs Immigrants due to low Birth Rate, as does Canada and the US, but the European nations seem to be unaware of what that ultimately means. Change in such a situation is inevitable, but it seems that Europe expected the opposite and are now beginning to panic as their traditional culture begins to be lost. This change can be the beginning of something great or the end of it. I'm hopeful that it is the beginning.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: superstition
I can't bear to read all the posts in the topic, but suffice to say that England is getting a dose of its own medicine. Iraq was drawn, literally, by the British for imperialist/colonialist purposes. The former colonial empires like England and The Netherlands are being slowly colonized and transformed from the inside by people who were once controlled by them. Protests and death threats about cartoons of Muhammed and head scarves in schools are only the beginning. We're talking about two radically different cultures (compare Iran with The Netherlands), and there is going to be conflict, especially when a culture has a low birthrate. In Quebec, the French speaking group has one of the world's lowest birthrates. Immigrants are not wanting their children to learn French and the culture is being changed from the inside, despite resistance from the French speaking group. The more educated and developed a population is, the lower the birthrate tends to be. This leaves such cultures open to colonization from the inside due to a shortage of labor.

That's an interesting point. We are certainly at a crossroads in history and how that plays out will depend on what we do. It can be constructive or destructive. The choice is ours.

It certainly is the case that Europe needs Immigrants due to low Birth Rate, as does Canada and the US, but the European nations seem to be unaware of what that ultimately means. Change in such a situation is inevitable, but it seems that Europe expected the opposite and are now beginning to panic as their traditional culture begins to be lost. This change can be the beginning of something great or the end of it. I'm hopeful that it is the beginning.

True Europe, Canada, and the US needs immigrants and true that not only Europe but Canada and the US seem to lack the foresight of the cost of such mass immigration without forced assimilation in monetary, political, and cultural terms.

In fact they are now discovering there is no benefit to immigration and the costs monetarily, politically and culturally are going to be staggering.

Migration has brought 'zero' economic benefit

Ten years of record immigration to Britain has produced virtually no economic benefits for the country, a parliamentary inquiry has found.

France: The Cost of Immigration

The French organization Contribuables Associés (Associated Taxpayers) has published a study on the real cost of immigration. The website Le Salon Beige has a link to the complete study, in pdf format. The study shows that for a 30-year period after the Second World War immigration was a benefit to the State. But when the immigration laws changed to allow family reunification, and political or economic asylum, employment as the primary motive was replaced by the notion of population substitution, i.e. the bringing in of massive numbers of immigrants to change the ethnic make-up of a country. The needs of the immigrant population have thus surpassed the revenue from payroll contributions and taxes.

- France has 6,868,000 immigrants, or 11% of the population.
- Immigration reduces by two thirds the growth of the GNP.
- The cost of immigration in France is 71.76 billion euros.
- The revenue from immigration in France is 45.57 billion euros.
- The deficit from immigration shouldered by the taxpayers is 26.19 billion euros.

What is happening in France is happening all over Europe, Canada and the US where to many were allowed in, that take too much, give little in return and are producing offspring that are not bettering the parents.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: superstition
I can't bear to read all the posts in the topic, but suffice to say that England is getting a dose of its own medicine. Iraq was drawn, literally, by the British for imperialist/colonialist purposes. The former colonial empires like England and The Netherlands are being slowly colonized and transformed from the inside by people who were once controlled by them. Protests and death threats about cartoons of Muhammed and head scarves in schools are only the beginning. We're talking about two radically different cultures (compare Iran with The Netherlands), and there is going to be conflict, especially when a culture has a low birthrate. In Quebec, the French speaking group has one of the world's lowest birthrates. Immigrants are not wanting their children to learn French and the culture is being changed from the inside, despite resistance from the French speaking group. The more educated and developed a population is, the lower the birthrate tends to be. This leaves such cultures open to colonization from the inside due to a shortage of labor.

That's an interesting point. We are certainly at a crossroads in history and how that plays out will depend on what we do. It can be constructive or destructive. The choice is ours.

It certainly is the case that Europe needs Immigrants due to low Birth Rate, as does Canada and the US, but the European nations seem to be unaware of what that ultimately means. Change in such a situation is inevitable, but it seems that Europe expected the opposite and are now beginning to panic as their traditional culture begins to be lost. This change can be the beginning of something great or the end of it. I'm hopeful that it is the beginning.

True Europe, Canada, and the US needs immigrants and true that not only Europe but Canada and the US seem to lack the foresight of the cost of such mass immigration without forced assimilation in monetary, political, and cultural terms.

In fact they are now discovering there is no benefit to immigration and the costs monetarily, politically and culturally are going to be staggering.

Migration has brought 'zero' economic benefit

Ten years of record immigration to Britain has produced virtually no economic benefits for the country, a parliamentary inquiry has found.

France: The Cost of Immigration

The French organization Contribuables Associés (Associated Taxpayers) has published a study on the real cost of immigration. The website Le Salon Beige has a link to the complete study, in pdf format. The study shows that for a 30-year period after the Second World War immigration was a benefit to the State. But when the immigration laws changed to allow family reunification, and political or economic asylum, employment as the primary motive was replaced by the notion of population substitution, i.e. the bringing in of massive numbers of immigrants to change the ethnic make-up of a country. The needs of the immigrant population have thus surpassed the revenue from payroll contributions and taxes.

- France has 6,868,000 immigrants, or 11% of the population.
- Immigration reduces by two thirds the growth of the GNP.
- The cost of immigration in France is 71.76 billion euros.
- The revenue from immigration in France is 45.57 billion euros.
- The deficit from immigration shouldered by the taxpayers is 26.19 billion euros.

What is happening in France is happening all over Europe, Canada and the US where to many were allowed in, that take too much, give little in return and are producing offspring that are not bettering the parents.

Yeah, they are the new Jews and you are our Adolph savior. After millions die you will shoot yourself in your bunker, Mr. Sociopath. You are the vermin that crawls in the gutter and eats at the foundation of life. You are the madness of fear and hate.

 

[Throckmorton]

Churchgoers in England = Catholics?


Did you not pay attention in history class?

 

[superstition]

It can be constructive or destructive. The choice is ours.

Not really. The immigrants are choosing to not assimilate and also want to impose their culture incrementally. They believe the choice is theirs.

It certainly is the case that Europe needs Immigrants due to low Birth Rate, as does Canada and the US

The US doesn't have a low birth rate. The USA is the only highly industrialized culture with a fairly high birthrate. This is credited to American "optimism", but I also think it's related to the high degrees of stratification and immigration as well as the large amount of land available.

Change in such a situation is inevitable, but it seems that Europe expected the opposite and are now beginning to panic as their traditional culture begins to be lost. This change can be the beginning of something great or the end of it. I'm hopeful that it is the beginning.

How is replacing a secular democracy with Sharia Law the beginning of something great?

 

[superstition]

Yeah, they are the new Jews and you are our Adolph savior. After millions die you will shoot yourself in your bunker, Mr. Sociopath. You are the vermin that crawls in the gutter and eats at the foundation of life. You are the madness of fear and hate.

If all you're going to add is worthless ad hominem, don't quote so much material.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Yeah, they are the new Jews and you are our Adolph savior. After millions die you will shoot yourself in your bunker, Mr. Sociopath. You are the vermin that crawls in the gutter and eats at the foundation of life. You are the madness of fear and hate.

Seldom do you actually contribute to a debate, your modus operandi is troll, thread crap, and attack people, and for the life of me I can't figure out why you have not gotten a Mod induced vacation yet?

Grow the hell up, attack the validity of my posts, I welcome it, but lay the hell off the personal attacks!

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Yeah, they are the new Jews and you are our Adolph savior. After millions die you will shoot yourself in your bunker, Mr. Sociopath. You are the vermin that crawls in the gutter and eats at the foundation of life. You are the madness of fear and hate.

Seldom do you actually contribute to a debate, your modus operandi is troll, thread crap, and attack people, and for the life of me I can't figure out why you have not gotten a Mod induced vacation yet?

Grow the hell up, attack the validity of my posts, I welcome it, but lay the hell off the personal attacks!

He posted exactly how you are coming across. Both in your words and in the inevitable outcome of them.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: superstition

Change in such a situation is inevitable, but it seems that Europe expected the opposite and are now beginning to panic as their traditional culture begins to be lost. This change can be the beginning of something great or the end of it. I'm hopeful that it is the beginning.

How is replacing a secular democracy with Sharia Law the beginning of something great?

It?ll never happen our opponents say, as they continue to defend the expansion of it.