Are you a Hillary supporter? Why?

[Jhhnn]

Democrats should stop antagonizing Republicans. It should now be obvious that at least a plurality of Republicans are not the reactionaries that the left used to believe them to be. (e.g. sheep following religious doctrines or blindsided by the Koch's ideology) Trying to silence them brings us Trump, and that is not good for anyone. People deserve a better representative for their interests, and their concerns should be aired to fellow citizens without distortions.

Sweet fucking Jebsu.

Repubs have pandered to & nurtured the right fringe & radicalized the base while being the masters of false promises for decades. But the evil Libruhls hurt their widdle feelings in calling them on their bullshit which is why they embrace Trump's bullshit because he yells louder.

WTF planet are you from, anyway?

I see it like this-

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/a-small-silent-minority/

If the Repubs you & Brooks reference are really out there, now is the time to stand up & be heard.

 

[theeedude]

People keep saying this.... Yet, every piece of evidence shows that Bernie is more electable.

People on the right are only interested in Trump, because they seem him as anti-establishment, like Bernie.



No, he just said she would pass BAD legislation, which is absolutely right! Hillary =/- Bernie! She is not a progressive, she won't pass anything progressive. She will pass stuff like the TPP, she will continue and expand on the endless wars, she will continue handing out huge corporate subsidies, she will bailout the banks when they fail again, she won't break up the banks after they fail, etc..

To sit there and say he dislikes her, because of vagina or some bullshit is nonsense...

There is no basis for making these claims, except personal dislike. First and foremost, the President does not pass anything. Again, Sanders supporters need to learn about basic things like separation of powers and co-equal branches.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

There is no basis for making these claims, except personal dislike. First and foremost, the President does not pass anything. Again, Sanders supporters need to learn about basic things like separation of powers and co-equal branches.

ROFL.... Yah, that's why she laughed off the questions about the influence wall street has over her. She is such a straight arrow!

You still didn't prove your bullshit claim that Hillary is more electable, either! Which might be tough, given that all the facts say otherwise.


You also still haven't elaborated on how Shillary would pass progressive legislation. She would be in an even worst spot than Bernie!!!! If Bernie would win the election, he would get a super majority in the legislative branch. If Hillary wins, assuming she even can win, she would AT BEST get a split.

If someone would be completely incapable of passing progressive legislation, it would be Hillary. This is all assuming she has an interest in passing such legislation in the first place too.... Hint: She doesn't....


Here is the true Hillary Clinton,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze6bOL8zVds

"My opponent's plan is to give free education to everyone..."

That's also supposedly her plan, but she slipped, and forgot to keep copying Bernie.... I can't hardly blame her really. So, many lies to keep straight.

 

[mect]

If you remove your personal dislike of her, these are all arguments to vote for Hillary.

Sounds like all reasons to vote for Sanders. You already conceded that if he wins the nomination he would almost certainly beat Trump.

 

[Bitek]

ROFL.... Yah, that's why she laughed off the question, the last three times she was asked about the influence wall street has over her.

You still didn't prove your bullshit claim that Hillary is more electable, either! Which might be tough, given that all the facts say otherwise.


You also still haven't elaborated on how Shillary would pass progressive legislation. She would be in an even worst spot than Bernie!!!! If Bernie would win the election, he would get a super majority in the legislative branch. If Hillary wins, assuming she even can win, she would AT BEST get a split.

If someone would be completely incapable of passing progressive legislation, it would be Hillary. This is all assuming she has an interest in passing such legislation in the first place too.... Hint: She doesn't....


Here is the true Hillary Clinton,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze6bOL8zVds

"My opponent's plan is to give free education to everyone..."

That's also supposedly her plan! But she slipped, and forgot to keep copying Bernie....

Now I'm thinking this is just a troll acct.

Bernie getting a supermajority in 2016 is completely absurd. Not going to happen. Jerb! has a better chance of getting elected than what you just posted.

Dems can win maybe the Senate back. GOP will control house due to gerrymandered districts.

 

[Jhhnn]

ROFL.... Yah, that's why she laughed off the question, the last three times she was asked about the influence wall street has over her.

You still didn't prove your bullshit claim that Hillary is more electable, either! Which might be tough, given that all the facts say otherwise.

What facts?

You also still haven't elaborated on how Shillary would pass progressive legislation. She would be in an even worst spot than Bernie!!!! If Bernie would win the election, he would get a super majority in the legislative branch. If Hillary wins, assuming she even can win, she would AT BEST get a split.

Why is that true?

If someone would be completely incapable of passing progressive legislation, it would be Hillary. This is all assuming she has an interest in passing such legislation in the first place too.... Hint: She doesn't....


Here is the true Hillary Clinton,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze6bOL8zVds

"My opponent's plan is to give free education to everyone..."

That's also supposedly her plan! But she slipped, and forgot to keep copying Bernie....

You're arguing against a Hillary straw person of your own making. If you want to argue about her positions on the issues, argue against them directly. Otherwise, you're just waving around that right wing "trust" canard.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/hillary-clinton-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues/

I don't agree with her about everything, beginning with her probably being too soft on our lying Israeli "friends".

 

[mysticjbyrd]

What facts?




Why is that true?



You're arguing against a Hillary straw person of your own making. If you want to argue about her positions on the issues, argue against them directly. Otherwise, you're just waving around that right wing "trust" canard.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/hillary-clinton-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues/

I don't agree with her about everything, beginning with her probably being too soft on our lying Israeli "friends".

All the poll data we have had for months.

Because Hillary doesn't excite the base. I honestly question if she can even beat the republican nominee, given that fact. But that aside, the probability she can acquire a majority, never mind a super majority is incredibly small. No one is excited about her, except maybe a few feminist.

You are conflating her current position, which she arrived at by copying Bernie Sanders, to her true positions! Hillary has no true positions! Everyone has known that for decades! Her opinions change with poll numbers.


At least we can agree on that..... Sick of the US meddling with Israel. Let them fight their own battles, and let them pay for it.

 

[Jhhnn]

All the poll data we have had for months.{/quote]

What poll data? like this?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...inton_loses_ground_in_democratic_primary_race

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/25/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/index.html

Or are you referencing the bullshit polls Like asking who'd win if batman fought bigfoot?

Because Hillary doesn't excite the base. I honestly question if she can even beat the republican nominee, given that fact. But that aside, the probability she can acquire a majority, never mind a super majority is incredibly small. No one is excited about her, except maybe a few feminist.

Nobody claimed that Dems could claim a majority of Congress but you who claimed that Bernie would. Which is bullshit.

You are conflating her current position, which she arrived at by copying Bernie Sanders, to her true positions! Hillary has no true positions! Everyone has known that for decades! Her opinions change with poll numbers.

Right back around to spouting off about right wing "trust" issues beating on the straw. If you want to see Hillary's changing views, try this-

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

At least we can agree on that..... Sick of the US meddling with Israel. Let them fight their own battles, and let them pay for it.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Ignoring data you don't like is akin to sticking your head into the sand.

Actually, he was claiming that Hillary could pass progressive legislation, while Bernie couldn't. That was wrong on multiple levels!

Hillary is a corporate shill.... How do you not understand that? Do you honestly think corporations paid the her millions, way over 120 million between the two of them, for speeches? They are bribes! Are you this fucking dense?!

 

[theeedude]

Sounds like all reasons to vote for Sanders. You already conceded that if he wins the nomination he would almost certainly beat Trump.

I didn't concede that. I will concede that he's better than Trump, but that's not the same as saying he'd beat Trump. I think in all likelihood, Trump would emasculate Sanders and win.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

I didn't concede that. I will concede that he's better than Trump, but that's not the same as saying he'd beat Trump. I think in all likelihood, Trump would emasculate Sanders and win.

I just destroyed your poorly thought out arguments...

Yah, polls only show him winning by 15 points....

Trump won't even be the candidate, it will likely be Cruz. Trump is only ahead, because the other losers haven't dropped out yet.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ignoring data you don't like is akin to sticking your head into the sand.

The "data" you've provided is ephemeral, at best. Among Dems who participate in the nominating process Hillary maintains a strong lead nationwide.

Actually, he was claiming that Hillary could pass progressive legislation, while Bernie couldn't. That was wrong on multiple levels!

The first thing a President needs to pass any legislation is the support of their own party for whatever they propose. Bernie's universal healthcare & tax proposals are DOA, doubly so given Repub control of both houses. Even if Bernie wins that likely won't change despite your assertion to the contrary.

Hillary is a corporate shill.... How do you not understand that? Do you honestly think corporations paid the her millions, way over 120 million between the two of them, for speeches? They are bribes! Are you this fucking dense?!

Which of her stated positions support that accusation? Oh, wait- you merely assume she's lying about all of that, offer your assertion as fact- that she can't be trusted because you just know she's lying. It's completely circular in the vein of standard right wing truthiness.

 

[MongGrel]

Democrats should stop antagonizing Republicans. It should now be obvious that at least a plurality of Republicans are not the reactionaries that the left used to believe them to be. (e.g. sheep following religious doctrines or blindsided by the Koch's ideology) Trying to silence them brings us Trump, and that is not good for anyone. People deserve a better representative for their interests, and their concerns should be aired to fellow citizens without distortions.

Sweet fucking Jebsu.

Repubs have pandered to & nurtured the right fringe & radicalized the base while being the masters of false promises for decades. But the evil Libruhls hurt their widdle feelings in calling them on their bullshit which is why they embrace Trump's bullshit because he yells louder.

WTF planet are you from, anyway?

I see it like this-

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/a-small-silent-minority/

If the Repubs you & Brooks reference are really out there, now is the time to stand up & be heard.

+1 to Jhhnn, really don't need to add anything.

 

[MongGrel]

Now I'm thinking this is just a troll acct.

Bernie getting a supermajority in 2016 is completely absurd. Not going to happen. Jerb! has a better chance of getting elected than what you just posted.

Dems can win maybe the Senate back. GOP will control house due to gerrymandered districts.

Still not sure myself where the magical super majority would just appear out of thin air.

 

[fskimospy]

Still not sure myself where the magical super majority would just appear out of thin air.

Apparently he thinks that Bernie will so inspire the nation that we will get some sort of 2008 wave election. There's absolutely no evidence to support this idea, but he doesn't seem very tethered to reality as it is.

I mean he apparently thinks the ACA isn't progressive legislation. (although he is unable to define what progressive legislation is, which might be a problem, haha.)

 

[MongGrel]

Ignoring data you don't like is akin to sticking your head into the sand.

Actually, he was claiming that Hillary could pass progressive legislation, while Bernie couldn't. That was wrong on multiple levels!

Hillary is a corporate shill.... How do you not understand that? Do you honestly think corporations paid the her millions, way over 120 million between the two of them, for speeches? They are bribes! Are you this fucking dense?!

I think mysticjbyrd's head was getting ready to explode again.

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[nageov3t]

Still not sure myself where the magical super majority would just appear out of thin air.

more realistically, I'd worry about an ideological purge.

just based on what I've seen from the Sanders campaign and Sanders supporters, there's no interest in fundraising for the DNC to help out down-ticket races, and the only ones they're actively donating to are progressives.

which is fine and all, but there are many districts out there where progressives simply can't win or aren't running... focus on electing progressives instead of liberal *and* moderate Democrats to cobble together a 50+1% majority and you'll end up with an extremely progressive minority that can't do anything other than filibuster Republican bills.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

I think mysticjbyrd's head was getting ready to explode again.

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What a great argument from the special snowflake.

The "data" you've provided is ephemeral, at best. Among Dems who participate in the nominating process Hillary maintains a strong lead nationwide.



The first thing a President needs to pass any legislation is the support of their own party for whatever they propose. Bernie's universal healthcare & tax proposals are DOA, doubly so given Repub control of both houses. Even if Bernie wins that likely won't change despite your assertion to the contrary.



Which of her stated positions support that accusation? Oh, wait- you merely assume she's lying about all of that, offer your assertion as fact- that she can't be trusted because you just know she's lying. It's completely circular in the vein of standard right wing truthiness.

You just keep repeating the same debunked arguments...

Facts you don't like don't count...

Hillary would have LESS chance to pass progressive legislation! Again, assuming she had ANY interest in doing so, which she doesn't.

No, I know she is a liar.

Campaign in Poetry, Govern in Prose - Hillary Clinton

 

[Jhhnn]

What a great argument from the special snowflake.



You just keep repeating the same debunked arguments...

Facts you don't like don't count...

Hillary would have LESS chance to pass progressive legislation! Again, assuming she had ANY interest in doing so, which she doesn't.

No, I know she is a liar.

Campaign in Poetry, Govern in Prose - Hillary Clinton

Your lack of self awareness & circular arguments are tedious.

It all comes back around to you can't trust Hillary... because you can't trust Hillary. You just know that in your gut, the truthiness center that all conservatives have.

According to you, why, if Dems would just nominate Bernie he'd give Dems a magic carpet ride to majorities in both houses & everybody gets a unicorn.

But the Eeeevil Hillary will sell us out over all the issues Dems care about because... You can't trust Hillary about SS, or Medicare, or the ACA, or civil rights, or women's rights or financial regulation or the Iran deal or anything because What, exactly? Vince Foster? Ben-fucking-ghazi? Obama's birth certificate? Or just whatever FUD you're determined to spread?

 

[Knowing]

I don't trust her because she started birtherism, as sec state presided over the destabilization of multiple nations, can't fake a genuine smile to save her life, and joked about getting an alleged child rapist off on charges.

As a reminder, that would make a white male a racist, warmonger, sociopath, literal rapist plotting a war on womyn (and children - please think of them when you're not dropping bombs on them).

 

[fskimospy]

I don't trust her because she started birtherism, as sec state presided over the destabilization of multiple nations, can't fake a genuine smile to save her life, and joked about getting an alleged child rapist off on charges.

As a reminder, that would make a white male a racist, warmonger, sociopath, literal rapist plotting a war on womyn (and children - please think of them when you're not dropping bombs on them).

I am personally surprised that your usual passive aggressive statements are not effective.

It's probably the liberal conspiracy.

 

[Knowing]

Oh! Let's not forget the Wall St. angle. How's your index fund doing, bee tee dubs?

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't trust her because she started birtherism

Bullshit. Hillary had nothing to do with it but the origins are pinned on her supporters. It didn't get going at all until Repubs got a hold on it & peddled it to their flock of natural born conspiracy theory believers where it found very fertile ground.

http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/birtherism-where-it-all-began-053563

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/

 

[theeedude]

I think the Republican debate answers the question pretty extensively.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

I think the Republican debate answers the question pretty extensively.

How?