Are you a Hillary supporter? Why?

[Jhhnn]

Republicans will have no incentive to compromise. The idea that liberals will get more of what they want simply by making larger demands is incredibly naive.

The next democratic president won't be passing much legislation. Regardless it's very important for the next president to be a democrat. Hillary is the best chance for that, so that's the answer.

Look past the images & the personalities?!? Think strategically?!? Embrace reality?!?

WTF is wrong with you, anyway?

I joke, of course. The next Dem president will have their hands full dealing with a scared Repub congress being extorted by their own radicals. They'll be plenty busy just trying to preserve what progress has been made over the Obama Admin & further back to the New Deal.

 

[theeedude]

Bill Clinton also raised a lot of money, and it was great time for America during his presidency.

 

[BoberFett]

Does anyone remember how great things were last time Clintons ran this country? Pretty great, if you ask me. Not Medicare for all great, but still great nonetheless.

Past performance does not guarantee future results. It's as true for the Wall St whore as it is for Wall St.

 

[theeedude]

Past performance does not guarantee future results. It's as true for the Wall St whore as it is for Wall St.

Does not guarantee, but is the best predictor.

 

[Paul98]

Republicans will have no incentive to compromise. The idea that liberals will get more of what they want simply by making larger demands is incredibly naive.

The next democratic president won't be passing much legislation. Regardless it's very important for the next president to be a democrat. Hillary is the best chance for that, so that's the answer.

It's how you actually get what you want if you are reasoned with your aproach. You make it work by not telling the otherside exactly what you are willing to take at the start. You don't give the other side a chance to demonize a reasonable position. You fight for more than youre willing to settle for.

 

[fskimospy]

It's how you actually get what you want if you are reasoned with your aproach. You make it work by not telling the otherside exactly what you are willing to take at the start. You don't give the other side a chance to demonize a reasonable position. You fight for more than youre willing to settle for.

Have you not been paying attention in recent years? They don't care if they are demonizing a reasonable position or an unreasonable one. On single payer health care their offer will be this: nothing. On greater financial regulations their offer will be this: nothing. Basically everything that Bernie claims he wants to pass he has no plausible legislative path to accomplish.

The next Presidency is about two things:

1. Providing a buffer in case Democrats don't retake the Senate so that Republicans can't nuke the filibuster and pass huge amounts of regressive legislation.

2. Replacing more conservative judges and SCOTUS justices in order to repeal some of the things the Roberts court has done recently.

That's it. The Democrats aren't getting the House back any time soon and the Republicans who occupy the majority are far more concerned with a primary challenge than any general election challenge. Therefore they will not compromise on basically anything.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

It's how you actually get what you want if you are reasoned with your aproach. You make it work by not telling the otherside exactly what you are willing to take at the start. You don't give the other side a chance to demonize a reasonable position. You fight for more than youre willing to settle for.

That's correct. It's yet another reason Bernie would be better at passing legislation.

These guys have no logical argument to support Hillary!

 

[Jhhnn]

Have you not been paying attention in recent years? They don't care if they are demonizing a reasonable position or an unreasonable one. On single payer health care their offer will be this: nothing. On greater financial regulations their offer will be this: nothing. Basically everything that Bernie claims he wants to pass he has no plausible legislative path to accomplish.

The next Presidency is about two things:

1. Providing a buffer in case Democrats don't retake the Senate so that Republicans can't nuke the filibuster and pass huge amounts of regressive legislation.

2. Replacing more conservative judges and SCOTUS justices in order to repeal some of the things the Roberts court has done recently.

That's it. The Democrats aren't getting the House back any time soon and the Republicans who occupy the majority are far more concerned with a primary challenge than any general election challenge. Therefore they will not compromise on basically anything.

HOR Repubs are held hostage to the mob they created & the Freedom caucus of ultra safe gerrymandered conservative districts. They may have figured out that pandering to 'em is like feeding the bears...

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Look past the images & the personalities?!? Think strategically?!? Embrace reality?!?

WTF is wrong with you, anyway?

I joke, of course. The next Dem president will have their hands full dealing with a scared Repub congress being extorted by their own radicals. They'll be plenty busy just trying to preserve what progress has been made over the Obama Admin & further back to the New Deal.

The people have zero influence on what legislation is passed post election. It's akin to white noise.

 

[theeedude]

That's correct. It's yet another reason Bernie would be better at passing legislation.

These guys have no logical argument to support Hillary!

How much legislation has Bernie passed as a legislator? He was in the Senate when the ACA was passed, yet he couldn't convince his Democrat Senate colleagues to go along with him and pass a public option. But he can convince a Republican Congress to pass Medicare for all?

 

[mysticjbyrd]

How much legislation has Bernie passed as a legislator? He was in the Senate when the ACA was passed, yet he couldn't convince his Democrat Senate colleagues to go along with him and pass a public option. But he can convince a Republican Congress to pass Medicare for all?

Wow... what epic stupidity.

Obama took the public option off the table ffs!

 

[theeedude]

Wow... what epic stupidity.

Obama took the public option off the table ffs!

Because there were no votes to pass it, Sherlock. In a 60% Democrat Congress. But you think there will be votes to pass Medicare for all in a Republican or a split Congress? Bernie won't have to take it off the table because it will never get on the table.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Because there were no votes to pass it, Sherlock. In a 60% Democrat Congress. But you think there will be votes to pass Medicare for all in a Republican or a split Congress? Bernie won't have to take it off the table because it will never get on the table.

Obama didn't try dumbass. He is as corporatist as Hillary, who also declared she wouldn't try.

 

[Brainonska511]

Obama didn't try dumbass. He is as corporatist as Hillary, who also declared she wouldn't try.

What's the point in wasting political capital fighting for a unicorn?

 

[mysticjbyrd]

What's the point in wasting political capital fighting for a unicorn?

That makes no fucking sense....

 

[theeedude]

Obama didn't try dumbass. He is as corporatist as Hillary, who also declared she wouldn't try.

There were no votes. There was nothing to try. It's either no bill or no public option. In case of Medicare for all, it will not be a choice, there won't be a bill.

 

[MongGrel]

That makes no fucking sense....

Go away, little I'm an Independent Snowflake.

 

[Brainonska511]

That makes no fucking sense....

I know you're a bit slow on the uptake. Just try reading it again, maybe think about it for a minute (or more - no pressure). One day, you may figure it out.

 

[theeedude]

That makes no fucking sense....

OK, make sense for us. Give us your scenario for Bernie passing Medicare for all.
I will grant you an optimistic scenario of Democrats winning ALL the battleground seats, giving them a 53-47 Senate Majority and a 208-227 House Minority.
http://www.270towin.com/2016-senate-election/
http://www.270towin.com/2016-house-election/

Go!

 

[mysticjbyrd]

I know you're a bit slow on the uptake. Just try reading it again, maybe think about it for a minute (or more - no pressure). One day, you may figure it out.

You are right, if Obama had used his immense influence on the people and congress, then he would pass the public option, but would have owed favors. Then he would have to pass corporatist oligarchial legislation, like the tpp fast track.

Ohh wait, no... I remember now! He used that influence to pass the tpp, and intentionally tanked universal healthcare.

Damn, you were so close to being right! You were just wrong about everything.

 

[theeedude]

How is Bernie going to pass Medicare for all in a split Congress? And if he can't, shouldn't he be straight with his supporters about it?

 

[Bitek]

OK, make sense for us. Give us your scenario for Bernie passing Medicare for all.
I will grant you an optimistic scenario of Democrats winning ALL the battleground seats, giving them a 53-47 Senate Majority and a 208-227 House Minority.
http://www.270towin.com/2016-senate-election/
http://www.270towin.com/2016-house-election/

Go!

Still waiting.. The idea that Speaker Ryan will put any of Bernie's legislation to a vote is laughable. No matter who wins on the dems, is going to be trench warfare and the Rs hold the chokepoints.

Have you not been paying attention in recent years? They don't care if they are demonizing a reasonable position or an unreasonable one. On single payer health care their offer will be this: nothing. On greater financial regulations their offer will be this: nothing. Basically everything that Bernie claims he wants to pass he has no plausible legislative path to accomplish.

The next Presidency is about two things:

1. Providing a buffer in case Democrats don't retake the Senate so that Republicans can't nuke the filibuster and pass huge amounts of regressive legislation.

2. Replacing more conservative judges and SCOTUS justices in order to repeal some of the things the Roberts court has done recently.

That's it. The Democrats aren't getting the House back any time soon and the Republicans who occupy the majority are far more concerned with a primary challenge than any general election challenge. Therefore they will not compromise on basically anything.

So much this.

To make a Broncos analogy this time:

Manning's (Dems) hopes of winning the Superbowl depend on having a strong defense and not turning the ball over. It's not fun for the fans to watch a game manager, but it's the best chance for success.

 

[nageov3t]

more and more I worry that a Bernie Sanders nomination would effectively lead to a Democratic tea party.

it seems like he's got no interest in raising money for helping out down-ticket races, and his supporters are more interested in trying to primary establishment Democrats for not being progressive enough than actually trying to flip Republican seats even if it means electing a moderate Democrat.

 

[Sonikku]

As a conservative yourself, I suppose I can understand why you would be wary of having a party in Washington that was actually liberal.

 

[nageov3t]

As a conservative yourself, I suppose I can understand why you would be wary of having a party in Washington that was actually liberal.

as a liberal myself, I'd rather have a center-left majority than an ideologically pure progressive minority.