Are you a Hillary supporter? Why?

[TheGardener]

Called for trolling, puffing up a candidate you'd never vote for, you double down & troll harder.

Obama is staying above the fray. He'll endorse the Party's candidate & avoid creating any bitterness that wading into the Primary might create. Real Dems, not internet trolls, will put up a united front against the Repub pick.

I support Hillary because America isn't really ready for Bernie. His healthcare plan sounds great, but it won't happen & there's no point in pretending that it might. There's no point in pretending that his tax plan would fare any better, nor his plan to break up the big banks overnight. Not that you actually favor any of that, anyway.

Race? War on women? Microaggressions? Like you said, try to stay on topic, OK?

So you are saying 75% of the posters in this forum cannot mention any Republican, because they will never vote for one? And what about your own posts. The majority of posts are about Republicans. You are the definition of hypocrite.

You are quick to throw out accusations of political incorrectness around. But apparently only when you are concerned about who says it, not the context. Political opportunism for sure. So you agree with Obama on the Ginger Rogers analogy. And it's not sexist? I expect you've made a lot of enemies with your own Democrats with your insults and condescending attitude. Anyone here who knows who you are, might pass that along to the Clinton campaign. I'd like to see you talk your way out of that.

 

[theeedude]

Reposting from another thread. Even some folks over at the 'Kos doesn't trust her...

http://www.thenation.com/article/hawk-named-hillary/

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/01/hil...r_wall_street_ties_clinton_again_invoked_911/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417455/hillary-ultimate-hawk-david-french

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/hillary-foreign-policy-hawk-returns

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...-mistake-A-vote-for-Hillary-is-a-vote-for-war

Hillary is gross. As disgusting as any Republican. But you can't argue with True Believers.

At least you know that Republicans are disgusting. Good start.

 

[BoberFett]

At least you know that Republicans are disgusting. Good start.

I've never said otherwise. It's the partisan buffoons in this forum who believes that disliking Democrats makes one a Republican. And there are a LOT of Democrat buffoons in this forum.

 

[Jhhnn]

So you are saying 75% of the posters in this forum cannot mention any Republican, because they will never vote for one? And what about your own posts. The majority of posts are about Republicans. You are the definition of hypocrite.

You are quick to throw out accusations of political incorrectness around. But apparently only when you are concerned about who says it, not the context. Political opportunism for sure. So you agree with Obama on the Ginger Rogers analogy. And it's not sexist? I expect you've made a lot of enemies with your own Democrats with your insults and condescending attitude. Anyone here who knows who you are, might pass that along to the Clinton campaign. I'd like to see you talk your way out of that.

I'm not trying to convince Repubs to pick their weakest candidate, not pretending to support any of them. Nor am I tossing out straw man arguments like your own.

I said what I said. Nothing more & nothing less despite your efforts to put words in my mouth.

 

[Jhhnn]

LOL, the vast right wing conspiracy. You're a loon.

Put yourself in the other guy's shoes. As a Repub strategist, I'd want Bernie-

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/25/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-2016-election/

I'd take it easy on him in the primaries, of course, recalibrate the slime cannons should my team be lucky enough to face him.

 

[FerrelGeek]

So tell me, what would you be willing to compromise on?

Sure there is. Boehner's resignation broke the Teahad's procedural leverage in the HOR & we got a budget including continued funding for PP instead of another govt shutdown snit.

Repubs are capable of reason when they put their own right wing on the sidelines.

 

[Jhhnn]

So tell me, what would you be willing to compromise on?

I'm sure that the new budget measure is full of compromises from top to bottom. House Repubs' rules allow an extreme minority of Repubs, the Freedom Caucus, to wield more power than they deserve. When a scant 50 members of the HOR have the power to extort a govt shutdown from their own majority party it means that the rules need to be changed.

Boehner's resignation forced them to relent & the budget passed easily.

They'll be back, of course. They're overwhelmingly from extremely conservative gerrymandered districts where they can't be challenged from any direction other than the Right. The Party now suffers from the unintended consequences of hyper-partisanism.

 

[fskimospy]

So tell me, what would you be willing to compromise on?

You want a flat tax? Let's do a flat tax, but retain the system's progressivity through a prebate. No fake math or magic asterisks either.

You want to cut taxes? Sounds good, but let's cut the military to pay for it instead of domestic programs.

Conversely, you want to close the deficit? Let's cut some spending and pair it with increased taxes on top incomes.

 

[mect]

I would vote for Sanders in the general election, but I won't vote for Hillary. One of my top considerations is foreign policy. Its interesting everyone views this as Hillary's strong point, but everything I've heard indicates Clinton will be far more likely to get the US prematurely involved in a foreign war we have no business being involved in. The things Sanders has to say about how to handle Syria and ISIS and terrorism in general make far more sense than what Clinton says. Clinton also has no interest in fixing campaign finance issues, of course she doesn't want to strike the hand that feeds her. The same for fixing the problems on Wall Street. I noticed in the debates she repeatedly said we already had legislation in place that allows us to break up the big banks, but she never indicated any desire to actually do so. She also voiced no interest in prosecuting white collar crimes. While I'm somewhat disappointed on Sanders' positions on privacy, they are still better than Clinton's.

I also don't understand those that are concerned about Sanders winning in a general election. It looks like unless a miracle happens, Trump is winning the republican nomination. Does anyone really believe Trump would have a prayer of beating Sanders? I don't care how many times Trump screams socialist, there are just too many republicans that won't vote for Trump, but I don't know any democrats that wouldn't vote for Sanders if he was the nominee.

If Clinton is the democrat nominee, I'll be voting third party. Granted, I'm in Oregon, all our EC votes will go democrat regardless of how I vote, so it leaves me free to send a message. I'd certainly prefer Clinton over any republican, but I don't think that is really our only choice.

 

[Sonikku]

You want a flat tax? Let's do a flat tax, but retain the system's progressivity through a prebate. No fake math or magic asterisks either.

You want to cut taxes? Sounds good, but let's cut the military to pay for it instead of domestic programs.

Conversely, you want to close the deficit? Let's cut some spending and pair it with increased taxes on top incomes.

How about we keep taxes the same but simply stop handing billions of tax payers money to big business. Let them cover their own costs of doing business just like small businesses do. That would lower the deficit. If they have to raise the price of their product to compensate at least that would be transparent. At least that would be capitalism. When republicans want to hand our cash over to big oil and co they are basically advocating for wealth redistribution. For socialism. The things they remind us are bad.

 

[FerrelGeek]

I'm sure that the new budget measure is full of compromises from top to bottom. House Repubs' rules allow an extreme minority of Repubs, the Freedom Caucus, to wield more power than they deserve. When a scant 50 members of the HOR have the power to extort a govt shutdown from their own majority party it means that the rules need to be changed.

Boehner's resignation forced them to relent & the budget passed easily.

They'll be back, of course. They're overwhelmingly from extremely conservative gerrymandered districts where they can't be challenged from any direction other than the Right. The Party now suffers from the unintended consequences of hyper-partisanism.

What part of YOU did YOU not understand? YOU, in this case, means YOU, jhhnn. What would jhhnn compromise on?

You want a flat tax? Let's do a flat tax, but retain the system's progressivity through a prebate. No fake math or magic asterisks either.

You want to cut taxes? Sounds good, but let's cut the military to pay for it instead of domestic programs.

Conversely, you want to close the deficit? Let's cut some spending and pair it with increased taxes on top incomes.

You gave good concrete examples. Thank you, sir.

jhhnn, please note eskimo's example.

 

[FerrelGeek]

I'm down with that.

How about we keep taxes the same but simply stop handing billions of tax payers money to big business. Let them cover their own costs of doing business just like small businesses do. That would lower the deficit. If they have to raise the price of their product to compensate at least that would be transparent. At least that would be capitalism. When republicans want to hand our cash over to big oil and co they are basically advocating for wealth redistribution. For socialism. The things they remind they tell us are bad.

 

[theeedude]

There isn't really an alternative to Hillary. GOP has gone off the deep end, and Bernie is too Socialist for the times. There is going to be a time for a Socialist, we'll know that when people who currently support people like Trump start supporting people like Bernie. But we aren't there yet.

 

[mect]

There isn't really an alternative to Hillary. GOP has gone off the deep end, and Bernie is too Socialist for the times. There is going to be a time for a Socialist, we'll know that when people who currently support people like Trump start supporting people like Bernie. But we aren't there yet.

Why not? While I don't agree with the OP on every point, I do agree that almost everyone I've encountered, both in person and online, who supports Clinton does so not because they favor her stances on the issues, but because they perceive her as being the only option other than a republican. Almost every single one of them say they prefer Sanders in terms of the issues, but don't think he can win. I think many Americans are more opposed to the establishment right now than they are to a socialist.

I do agree with your assessment that the GOP has no realistic candidates this election (they're making Romney look down right electable). This is why I don't understand; if you prefer Clinton to Sanders, by all means, support her. But if you are only doing it because you think she's more electable, I don't buy it. The GOP has gone so crazy, I don't see them getting any significant independent support this election, I don't even see them getting all the republicans. While I've seen predictions that the republicans win this cycle, that is all based on market conditions and past trends. I think you have to take into consideration who the actual candidates are.

 

[theeedude]

Aside from electability, we have to elect somebody, and she is the only good option.

 

[mect]

Aside from electability, we have to elect somebody, and she is the only good option.

I disagree. On almost every point where Sanders and Clinton differ, Sanders has the better stance. In addition, Sanders is considered much more trustworthy, more genuine, and overall more likeable. So why is she the only good option?

 

[soundforbjt]

I ran across an article about a small college in IL, that each presidential election hold a mock election and have gotten the winning candidate correct (though not their opponent) every time (including Carter's win). This years election Sanders won, wonder if they get it right again this time or will it be their first mistake? I did find it interesting though.

 

[Exophase]

To really get a full picture of why people support Hillary you're going to have to ask somewhere that isn't like 98% male. Poll after poll shows Hillary has much stronger support among women than men.

 

[theeedude]

I disagree. On almost every point where Sanders and Clinton differ, Sanders has the better stance. In addition, Sanders is considered much more trustworthy, more genuine, and overall more likeable. So why is she the only good option?

It's not about stance, likability, and other emo sh!t. It's about getting stuff done. Sanders won't get elected, and even if he did, he'd get nothing through the Congress. He didn't get anything through Senate even when Democrats ran it.

 

[mect]

It's not about stance, likability, and other emo sh!t. It's about getting stuff done. Sanders won't get elected, and even if he did, he'd get nothing through the Congress. He didn't get anything through Senate even when Democrats ran it.

I disagree. Getting nothing done is better than getting bad stuff done. I'd rather nothing get done than us getting mucked up in a war over in Syria. I'd rather nothing get done than more legislation passed deregulating financial institutions. Whom does Clinton serve? In my evaluation of her, it isn't the people. Sure, sometimes her own self interests intersect with the interests of the people, but that doesn't appear to be her primary concern. So no, isn't just about getting shit done, its about getting the right shit done.

If you just want stuff to get done, maybe you should be voting for Trump. With a republican controlled congress, he'd likely get more done than Hillary.

 

[theeedude]

I disagree. Getting nothing done is better than getting bad stuff done. I'd rather nothing get done than us getting mucked up in a war over in Syria. I'd rather nothing get done than more legislation passed deregulating financial institutions. Whom does Clinton serve? In my evaluation of her, it isn't the people. Sure, sometimes her own self interests intersect with the interests of the people, but that doesn't appear to be her primary concern. So no, isn't just about getting shit done, its about getting the right shit done.

If you just want stuff to get done, maybe you should be voting for Trump. With a republican controlled congress, he'd likely get more done than Hillary.

If you remove your personal dislike of her, these are all arguments to vote for Hillary.

 

[lopri]

Democrats should stop antagonizing Republicans. It should now be obvious that at least a plurality of Republicans are not the reactionaries that the left used to believe them to be. (e.g. sheep following religious doctrines or blindsided by the Koch's ideology) Trying to silence them brings us Trump, and that is not good for anyone. People deserve a better representative for their interests, and their concerns should be aired to fellow citizens without distortions.

 

[Hugo Drax]

New campaign phrase to be unveiled for next week. "Don’t overthink it. Just vote Hillary."

 

[soundforbjt]

New campaign phrase to be unveiled for next week. "Don’t overthink it. Just vote Hillary."

Shouldn't you be in Iowa stumping for Jeb!?

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Aside from electability, we have to elect somebody, and she is the only good option.

People keep saying this.... Yet, every piece of evidence shows that Bernie is more electable.

People on the right are only interested in Trump, because they seem him as anti-establishment, like Bernie.

If you remove your personal dislike of her, these are all arguments to vote for Hillary.

No, he just said she would pass BAD legislation, which is absolutely right! Hillary =/- Bernie! She is not a progressive, she won't pass anything progressive. She will pass stuff like the TPP, she will continue and expand on the endless wars, she will continue handing out huge corporate subsidies, she will bailout the banks when they fail again, she won't break up the banks after they fail, etc..

To sit there and say he dislikes her, because of vagina or some bullshit is nonsense...