Are Muslims overly sensitive about the Prophet Mohammad?

[JEDIYoda]

Then I must be living in India.

so why do you think you live in India....

I am a Polish Jew.....It just so happens that I speak several languages including Arabic....
I am very familiar with various dialects.......
I speak Hebrew and Polish and several other languages.....

Your response was perplexing unless you had nothing to say and actually that that your response to JohnOfSheffield was perhaps uninformed...

Here is what JohnOfSheffield said --

Originally Posted by JohnOfSheffield
Then i got back to England and while most Muslims won't tell you to your face that they are glad the ambassador died, they are real fucking happy about it when they are with their friends.

A denouncement of the protesters from the Islamic world would be nice but they are not stupid, they know that their own population is against that and will burn them alive if they do apologize.

Your response -- Alaa --That's a quite bold speculation from someone who doesn't know how to read Arabic.

Why is it a bold speculation?
I find it to be an accurate speculation.

Yes I have lived in the middle east and I have many friend from other other countries who would agree 100% with what JohnOfSheffield said!!

 

[Baasha]

Point out these "liberals" please. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't magically make them liberal.

Muslims in the ME have brutal dictators that we continue to prop up and support because of oil(and have been for 50 years now), who teach hate and keep their people poor and angry and aim that anger at us.

Perhaps, but a country will never support a leader who terrorizes its populace for long. Yes, it will take time to overthrow them. Hitler did not gain power on his own. The people of Germany at the time supported his ideologies, directly or otherwise, and that is why he was able to gain absolute control and cause the debacle that was WWII.

Also, forget the ME. Look at India, the largest democracy in the world and also the third largest muslim population on the planet! India has more muslims than all the muslims in the ME combined!

Now, muslims in India have freedoms nobody can dream of (separate civil code such as being allowed to marry up to 4 wives, setting up mosques with no resistance, government subsidies for their pilgrimage to Mecca [Hajj], and government assistance for their 'schools' aka terrorist breeding centers known as madrassas). Why should they riot, kill, and murder fellow citizens when they have had nothing to do with the film, burning of the quran, or the attacks on them in Burma (by Burmese Buddhists)?

Read the article I linked to; Muslims world over have no allegiance to the nation they live in. Their allegiance is only to their fellow muslims and hence the oft-repeated nonsense of "brotherhood". Muslims are peaceful as long as you are muslim. That's what they mean when they say "religion of peace". If you conform to their way of life/religion, you will be included and feel part of a larger brotherhood that transcends national boundaries (a very alluring thing). If you don't, you will be treated with disdain, suspicion, derision, and in many cases, outright hatred.

The crux of the problem is the 'program' - aka their philosophical supposition that separates the "us" vs. "them". This philosophical DNA is central to ALL three Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. That is why they despise anyone who is not part of their community. This, naturally, goes hand in hand with racism and jingoism. It is a greater problem that poses a grave threat to the future of humanity and this world. These religions (programs), as I've stated several times before, are akin to viruses that transform a person into an incorrigible fear monger that ends up fomenting hatred of the "other". Every person is born without any of these programs. Hence, it is important that each person is programmed with qualities that inculcate samAdhAna (even-mindedness/tranquility). That is why it is imperative that these abrahamics should be educated in atheism/agnosticism. When they have matured enough, they can slowly learn the tenets of the real religion of peace, Hinduism. If they don't want to, they can remain atheists, agnostics (rationalists) and at least, they will be free from any virus infections (abrahamic religions).

It is, hence, an oxymoron to call someone a "good" Jew/Christian/Muslim in the real sense of the term. In fact, a person can be "good" if they are a bad Jew/Christian/Muslim (not following their rotten ideologies). That is why there are many so-called "good" jews/christians/muslims because they do NOT follow their mythology to the letter, unlike the taliban.

So, in conclusion, a good person = bad jew/christian/muslim.

 

[Orignal Earl]

so why do you think you live in India....

I am a Polish Jew.....It just so happens that I speak several languages including Arabic....
I am very familiar with various dialects.......
I speak Hebrew and Polish and several other languages.....

Your response was perplexing unless you had nothing to say and actually that that your response to JohnOfSheffield was perhaps uninformed...

Here is what JohnOfSheffield said --

Why is it a bold speculation?
I find it to be an accurate speculation.

Yes I have lived in the middle east and I have many friend from other other countries who would agree 100% with what JohnOfSheffield said!!

You may be able to speak a lot of languages, but it seems reading them and comprehending them are out of your league.

For what JOS to have said to be accurate, he would of had to been standing around, unseen, and listening to all these Muslims in the UK.
First getting around all those Muslims would be a problem alone.


Since most of the Muslims probably speak English with a British accent, I could understand JOS hearing them and could understand what they are saying
But I'm willing to bet that most of the radicals speak Arabic.
Now JOS may speak Arabic, I don't know

But anyways, your typing to a Muslim from Egypt and telling him that most of his friends, family, and neighbors are all happy about the ambassador getting killed by terrorists.
And he is saying that's not so.

 

[Nebor]

Yes, it will probably go out with a whimper, very slowly, over let's say the next 2 or 3 thousand years.
And by going out in a whimper, it will not be forced out.
We learned a long time ago that don't work.
Remember when thousands and thousands of prosecuted Christians left the UK and fled to the US?

Oh and ya, I doubt you will ever have to deal with me personally, but I know a lot of the guys standing around you right now still believe in and swore to protect, ALL the freedoms that America stands for.

It didn't take that long for Western Europe. I think within 100 years we'll see theism in the minority as science is able to answer more and more of peoples' questions about the universe.

We could greatly accelerate the process by simply making it illegal for people to indoctrinate children under the age of 15 or so. Make churches like strip clubs, you have to be old enough to enter and risk having your mind corrupted. :biggrin:

 

[JEDIYoda]

I read Hebrew and speak Klingon....I'm also an astronaut that eats cottage cheese for dinner......anyone can pretend on the internet, yay!!!!

Had to get your jab in huh??
Thats OK....been there done that...jealousy abound on these forums.
Allah still loves you......

 

[Orignal Earl]

It didn't take that long for Western Europe. I think within 100 years we'll see theism in the minority as science is able to answer more and more of peoples' questions about the universe.

We could greatly accelerate the process by simply making it illegal for people to indoctrinate children under the age of 15 or so. Make churches like strip clubs, you have to be old enough to enter and risk having your mind corrupted. :biggrin:

Looking at just Christian alone stats in the US. They seem to be staying ahead of the population growth just fine.
You have to add in the growth of the rising number of religious schools over new public schools
Science is taking a dive in a lot of those schools. Well, at least the science of evolution.

Don't forget, Most of the greatest inventions came from people who also believed in a God

 

[1prophet]

It didn't take that long for Western Europe. I think within 100 years we'll see theism in the minority as science is able to answer more and more of peoples' questions about the universe.

We could greatly accelerate the process by simply making it illegal for people to indoctrinate children under the age of 15 or so. Make churches like strip clubs, you have to be old enough to enter and risk having your mind corrupted. :biggrin:

And how exactly is that going to happen with the native European birthrate being neutral or negative while the constant influx of immigrants with all those beliefs you despise are supplanting them with their positive birthrate?

 

[Orignal Earl]

And how exactly is that going to happen with the native European birthrate being neutral or negative while the constant influx of immigrants with all those beliefs you despise are supplanting them with their positive birthrate?

I'm pretty sure immigration rates are adjusted to meet a whole lot of concerns.

 

[OCGuy]

It didn't take that long for Western Europe. I think within 100 years we'll see theism in the minority as science is able to answer more and more of peoples' questions about the universe.

What makes you think fundies are going to start accepting Science just because there are more breakthroughs? They havent accepted the science that is available now.

 

[Nebor]

And how exactly is that going to happen with the native European birthrate being neutral or negative while the constant influx of immigrants with all those beliefs you despise are supplanting them with their positive birthrate?

Europe might be fucked if they don't wake up and start fighting back. It'll probably be bloody and border on genocidal, but they could get it down.

We're heading down a similar path (native birth rates vs. immigrants,) but with latinos. The latinos tend to be religious too. Fortunately their culture is fairly compatible with our own, so not a single fuck will be given by this guy. Realistically I'll probably die fighting muslims somewhere before it's even an issue in the US.

 

[Alaa]

I have always found that interesting, though I disagree with the statement that He did not die.

I don't think we can agree or disagree here since there is no way to verify it.

 

[Alaa]

so why do you think you live in India....

I am a Polish Jew.....It just so happens that I speak several languages including Arabic....
I am very familiar with various dialects.......
I speak Hebrew and Polish and several other languages.....

Your response was perplexing unless you had nothing to say and actually that that your response to JohnOfSheffield was perhaps uninformed...

Here is what JohnOfSheffield said --

Why is it a bold speculation?
I find it to be an accurate speculation.

Yes I have lived in the middle east and I have many friend from other other countries who would agree 100% with what JohnOfSheffield said!!

Everyone I met, seen, or even heard of condemns the killing of the US ambassador. As I said previously, the educated group in our countries condemn violence against US embassies. But we all also condemn the making of such movies that spread fallacies about our prophet.

 

[bfdd]

Everyone I met, seen, or even heard of condemns the killing of the US ambassador. As I said previously, the educated group in our countries condemn violence against US embassies. But we all also condemn the making of such movies that spread fallacies about our prophet.

So what do you think should be done about the video?

 

[Alaa]

So what do you think should be done about the video?

I don't think that spreading fallacies is part of anyone's freedom.

 

[Alaa]

But anyways, your typing to a Muslim from Egypt and telling him that most of his friends, family, and neighbors are all happy about the ambassador getting killed by terrorists.
And he is saying that's not so.

That's funny.

 

[woolfe9999]

Don't forget, Most of the greatest inventions came from people who also believed in a God

That's because basically everyone believed in God, or at least professed to, until the 20th century. Atheism was not really accepted, and certainly not acknowledged. That has only just begun to change in the past 100 years.

You should take a look at how modern day scientists poll regarding religion.

http://news.discovery.com/tech/are-scientists-atheists.html

In 2009, the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press polled members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science on belief in a higher power. The study found that 51 percent of members polled expressed such a faith, compared to 95 percent of the American public. Additionally, the National Academy of Science charted belief in God as low as 5.5 percent among biologists and 7.5 percent among physicist and astronomers in a 1998 study.

Huge discrepancies with the general population.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

That's a quite bold speculation from someone who doesn't know how to read Arabic.

Not really.

I note that you didn't respond to anything i said, this is common amongst most Muslims i know of.

They make a quick quip while not really disagreeing so they can avoid the issue of responding honestly.

 

[bfdd]

I don't think that spreading fallacies is part of anyone's freedom.

Sure it is because one mans truth is another mans falsehood. This is why it absolutely should be allowed. So do you think it should be taken down? Do you think this producer should see penalties?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Everyone I met, seen, or even heard of condemns the killing of the US ambassador. As I said previously, the educated group in our countries condemn violence against US embassies. But we all also condemn the making of such movies that spread fallacies about our prophet.

aww common making false statements agiainst your beloved prophet...now thats funny!!
False statements are made concerning the God`s of all religions yet that gives people a right to attack and kill people.....

Whats interesting is quite a few of what you would call false statements are true....in the eye of the beholder....
Thats nice that the people you have come into contact with have condemned the killings...
I see none of those people taking to the street and gathering as a group to protest the killings......you all need to grow a set of balls and stand up to those who would shed a bad light on all Muslims by their very "peculiar" behavior...

Why should we have to protect our own people in your country? If things are as you say and most Egyptians condemn the killings then you would think that the Egyptian Government would be quick to render aid.......then why is not the Egyptian Government positioning troops outside the affected embassies....hmmmmm

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Everyone I met, seen, or even heard of condemns the killing of the US ambassador. As I said previously, the educated group in our countries condemn violence against US embassies. But we all also condemn the making of such movies that spread fallacies about our prophet.

Well, i'm not going to call you dishonest but from what i've seen this is what Muslims will say when confronted by others than their peers, when they are amongst their peers they sing a different tune. Not strange since there is justification in the Quaran for acting in this manner.

 

[Screech]

I don't think that spreading fallacies is part of anyone's freedom.

You have the right, in america, to say that Moses was a slut, or that Jesus liked jerking off every day, or that mohammed was a pedophile. Why? because you can, because we have freedom of speech. Whether or not any of the above is true is completely irrelevant.

The onion, as usual, nailed it:

NOT SAFE FOR WORK

http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/?ref=auto

NOT SAFE FOR WORK

edit: The idea that you can ban someone from saying something you disagree with is a very dangerous slope. As a poster above me noted, what would you have done to prevent someone from having this freedom?

 

[Alaa]

Not really.

I note that you didn't respond to anything i said, this is common amongst most Muslims i know of.

They make a quick quip while not really disagreeing so they can avoid the issue of responding honestly.

I see your generalizing but anyway, I already mentioned my view on this in previous posts.

Sure it is because one mans truth is another mans falsehood. This is why it absolutely should be allowed. So do you think it should be taken down? Do you think this producer should see penalties?

I am sure that creating your own version of someone without anything to back you up is not even related to what you said. I don't care about what happens to him. I only want the west to find a way to stop this mess. There were lots of criticism of Islam in the past from others and all what Muslims did was just publishing books and articles that address that criticism. Now, fallacies are a different matter.

 

[Alaa]

Well, i'm not going to call you dishonest but from what i've seen this is what Muslims will say when confronted by others than their peers, when they are amongst their peers they sing a different tune. Not strange since there is justification in the Quaran for acting in this manner.

There is no justification for acting like this.

 

[Orignal Earl]

That's because basically everyone believed in God, or at least professed to, until the 20th century. Atheism was not really accepted, and certainly not acknowledged. That has only just begun to change in the past 100 years.

You should take a look at how modern day scientists poll regarding religion.

http://news.discovery.com/tech/are-scientists-atheists.html



Huge discrepancies with the general population.

But you still have better then half the guys who can somehow believe in a God and science.
Which Sciences are going to contradict with religion?

 

[bfdd]

I see your generalizing but anyway, I already mentioned my view on this in previous posts.

I am sure that creating your own version of someone without anything to back you up is not even related to what you said. I don't care about what happens to him. I only want the west to find a way to stop this mess. There were lots of criticism of Islam in the past from others and all what Muslims did was just publishing books and articles that address that criticism. Now, fallacies are a different matter.

The hell are you talking about? I believe your entire belief system and religion is a fallacy, yet I will not infringe on your ability to spout such non-sense and I will even defend it. I will not defend people FORCING their beliefs on others though which is exactly what is attempting to be done with all the protests/riots.

Speaking fallacy or falsehood is OK, there is nothing wrong with it except with the presentation the individual makes for themselves. We can hold the opinion that they are wrong or right or idiots whatever, it doesn't truly matter. What we shouldn't do is try to use force or violence to change their ways.