Are Muslims overly sensitive about the Prophet Mohammad?

[Hayabusa Rider]

Obviously not all Muslims are the same, nor are all Christians, yet one group enjoys the extreme tolerance and a litany of excuses, while the other is always tossed into a single group to be viewed as negatively as possible. WTF gives?

The paradox does not exist. While not all are the same, how many governments are officially based on religion? How many have laws exist for torture, imprisonment and death on blasphemy today? What religions are those, and where are they practiced?

You speak of "intolerance" as if it's all the same. Some can have a fit when Maplethorp pisses on Christ, but how many died? If "Piss Mohammed" were to be shown in the middle east you'd expect the same?

Hardly.

Here's a nice letter from the high minded NYT showing how reasonable the Muslim Brotherhood is.

‘Our Condolences,’ the Muslim Brotherhood Says
Published: September 13, 2012
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Today’s world is a global village; nations are closer than ever before. In such a world, respect for values and figures — religious or otherwise — that nations hold dear is a necessary requirement to build sustainable, mutually beneficial relationships.

Despite our resentment of the continued appearance of productions like the anti-Muslim film that led to the current violence, we do not hold the American government or its citizens responsible for acts of the few that abuse the laws protecting freedom of expression.

In a new democratic Egypt, Egyptians earned the right to voice their anger over such issues, and they expect their government to uphold and protect their right to do so. However, they should do so peacefully and within the bounds of the law.

The breach of the United States Embassy premises by Egyptian protesters is illegal under international law. The failure of the protecting police force has to be investigated.

We are relieved that no embassy staff in Cairo were harmed. Egypt is going through a state of revolutionary fluidity, and public anger needs to be dealt with responsibly and with caution. Our condolences to the American people for the loss of their ambassador and three members of the embassy staff in Libya.

We hope that the relationships that both Americans and Egyptians worked to build in the past couple of months can sustain the turbulence of this week’s events. Our nations have much to learn from each other as we embark on building the new Egypt.

KHAIRAT EL-SHATER
Deputy President, Muslim Brotherhood
Cairo, Sept. 13, 2012

Well that's great! Look how reasonable and compassionate they are.

As Paul Harvey said, here's the rest of the story from the pedestrian NY post.

The U.S. Embassy in Cairo wants the Muslim Brotherhood to know its staffers can read Arabic, too.
In a very public Twitter confrontation this week, the embassy asked the Egyptian group why it seemed to be supporting the U.S. on its English Twitter feed but encouraging anti-American protesters on its Arabic one.
In English, the Brotherhood expressed concerns about the potential harm caused by protests against a controversial YouTube video.
“We r relieved none of @USEmbassyCairo staff were harmed & hope US-Eg relations will sustain turbulence of Tuesday's events,” the Brotherhood tweeted to the embassy Wednesday night.
“Thanks,” the Americans responded several hours later. “By the way, have you checked out your own Arabic feeds? I hope you know we read those too.”
Those Arabic feeds were actually supportive of protesters, and read, “Egyptians revolt for the Prophet’s victory in front of U.S. embassy,” according to a Businessweek translation.
Conceding nothing, the Brotherhood then tweeted back at the embassy, “We understand you're under a lot of stress, but it will be more helpful if you point out exactly the Arabic feed of concern.” The group later stated that they condemned violent protests in both English and Arabic.
Anti-American revolts have taken place this week in several predominately Islamic countries like Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, and Libya, where four Americans — including American Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens — were killed.
The YouTube video that demonstrators oppose mocks Muhammad, the last prophet of Islam.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...sages-twitter-article-1.1159830#ixzz26XUAhFOm

That's what's going on in the real world. The paradox exists when there is present day equivalency, not one made between now and the Spanish Inquisition.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Source?

One thing I don't understand is how some on the left reconcile their views on Christians vs. Muslims. When conservatives and/or Christians complain about the lefts intolerance of them, we often see them reply with "being tolerant does not include being tolerant of bigotry" or something along those lines. As if conservatives or Christians all fit into this monolithic group of bigotry and intolerance, but that is another subject.

As for source:

(Reuters) - Egyptians want Islam to play a large role in politics, reject radical Islamists and think democracy is the best political system, according to poll data collected in Muslim countries last year.

The data, published by the U.S.-based Pew Research Center in December, gives an idea of Egyptian public opinion before the current protests there broke out.

Collected in April and May of last year for Pew's Global Attitudes Project, the report described Muslim attitudes about religion in politics in seven countries -- Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, Lebanon, Nigeria, Pakistan and Turkey.

A sample group of 1,000 was surveyed in face-to-face interviews. Here are the data for Egyptian responses:

ON ISLAM IN POLITICS

-- Is it good that Islam plays a large role in politics? 95 percent said "yes" and 2 percent "bad."

-- Is Islam's influence in politics positive or negative? 85 percent said "positive," 2 percent said "negative."

-- How much of a role does Islam play in Egyptian politics now? 48 percent said "large" and 49 percent said "small."

-- Is there a struggle between groups that want to modernize Egypt and Islamic fundamentalists? 31 percent said "yes." Of them, 27 percent described themselves as modernizers and 59 percent called themselves fundamentalists.

ON ISLAMIST EXTREMISM

-- Are suicide bombings justified? 46 percent said "never," 34 percent "rarely," 12 percent "sometimes" and 8 percent "often." (NOTE: Support for suicide bombing has dropped since 2006, when 28 percent said they were justified sometimes or often.)

-- Are you concerned about Islamist extremism in the world? 70 percent said they were "very concerned" or "concerned."

-- Are you concerned about Islamist extremism in Egypt? 61 percent said they were "very concerned" or "concerned."

ON FOREIGN ISLAMIST MOVEMENTS

-- What do you think of Hamas? 49 percent were favorable.

-- What do you think of Hezbollah? 30 percent were favorable.

-- What do you think of al Qaeda? 20 percent were favorable.

-- Do you have confidence in Osama bin Laden? 19 percent said "some" or "a lot," 73 percent said "not much" or "none." (NOTE: Confidence in bin Laden has fallen from 27 percent in 2006).

ON TRADITIONAL MUSLIM PRACTICES

-- Should men and women be segregated in the workplace? 54 percent said "yes" and 44 percent "no."

-- Should adulterers be stoned? 82 percent said "yes."

-- Should apostates from Islam face the death penalty? 84 percent said "yes."

-- Should thieves be flogged or have their hands cut off? 77 percent said "yes."

ON DEMOCRACY

-- Is democracy preferable to any other kind of government? 59 percent said "yes."

-- Can a non-democratic system be preferable in certain circumstances? 22 percent said "yes."

-- Is it irrelevant to you what kind of government you have? 16 percent said "yes."

Where are the statistics which invalidate those of the person you quoted?

Someone is sure to try "see not ALL believe" well no shit, but its a pretty damned high percentage.

I'm not advocating killing these people but please stop ignoring facts as they exist.

 

[SNC]

Source?

One thing I don't understand is how some on the left reconcile their views on Christians vs. Muslims. When conservatives and/or Christians complain about the lefts intolerance of them, we often see them reply with "being tolerant does not include being tolerant of bigotry" or something along those lines. As if conservatives or Christians all fit into this monolithic group of bigotry and intolerance, but that is another subject.

I too have pondered that very same thing. The left takes every opportunity to berate any one on the right who comes even close to mentioning God. But let an entire country kill people over a fucking movie and shhhhhhhhhhhh, not a fucking word, except to call the move a bad idea and condemn the creator of the movie. I don't get it.

 

[GoPackGo]

If these people are just a violent minority, why can't they all just be shot?

 

[Anarchist420]

To answer the OP's question... Yes, they are. Most of them are muhammad dick-suckers.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Source?

One thing I don't understand is how some on the left reconcile their views on Christians vs. Muslims. When conservatives and/or Christians complain about the lefts intolerance of them, we often see them reply with "being tolerant does not include being tolerant of bigotry" or something along those lines. As if conservatives or Christians all fit into this monolithic group of bigotry and intolerance, but that is another subject.

The past several days we have seen several threads and many comments defending Islam, that these are isolated instances, can't view all Muslims the same, .etc.

So how can one reconcile their hatred and intolerance of Christians, while being so tolerant of Muslims in the face of stonings, burning gays, the data GeoSurface provided above, .etc, even going to the lengths of creating threads with pictures of a small group protesting the protesters in Egypt? The only answer I can think of is they do this to get one over on conservatives and have given in to the extremist Muslims, so afraid to offend them that they will go so far as to denigrate Christians for them, but I am sure a better answer than that exists.

Obviously not all Muslims are the same, nor are all Christians, yet one group enjoys the extreme tolerance and a litany of excuses, while the other is always tossed into a single group to be viewed as negatively as possible. WTF gives?

For the record I am not religious at all, just very curious as to why this paradox exists.

It wasn't always this way . Go back a few hundred years SO called christians were just as intolerant and just as deadly . The reason for todays actions or inactions is simple . FEAR . The Muslims have succeed in scarry most people . They believe the lies they are told . It would be interesting to force each muslim to watch the true history of their great prophet. He was a murdering madman

 

[Double Trouble]

ON ISLAM IN POLITICS

-- Is it good that Islam plays a large role in politics? 95 percent said "yes" and 2 percent "bad."

-- Is Islam's influence in politics positive or negative? 85 percent said "positive," 2 percent said "negative."

-- How much of a role does Islam play in Egyptian politics now? 48 percent said "large" and 49 percent said "small."

-- Is there a struggle between groups that want to modernize Egypt and Islamic fundamentalists? 31 percent said "yes." Of them, 27 percent described themselves as modernizers and 59 percent called themselves fundamentalists.

ON ISLAMIST EXTREMISM

-- Are suicide bombings justified? 46 percent said "never," 34 percent "rarely," 12 percent "sometimes" and 8 percent "often." (NOTE: Support for suicide bombing has dropped since 2006, when 28 percent said they were justified sometimes or often.)

-- Are you concerned about Islamist extremism in the world? 70 percent said they were "very concerned" or "concerned."

-- Are you concerned about Islamist extremism in Egypt? 61 percent said they were "very concerned" or "concerned."

ON FOREIGN ISLAMIST MOVEMENTS

-- What do you think of Hamas? 49 percent were favorable.

-- What do you think of Hezbollah? 30 percent were favorable.

-- What do you think of al Qaeda? 20 percent were favorable.

-- Do you have confidence in Osama bin Laden? 19 percent said "some" or "a lot," 73 percent said "not much" or "none." (NOTE: Confidence in bin Laden has fallen from 27 percent in 2006).

ON TRADITIONAL MUSLIM PRACTICES

-- Should men and women be segregated in the workplace? 54 percent said "yes" and 44 percent "no."

-- Should adulterers be stoned? 82 percent said "yes."

-- Should apostates from Islam face the death penalty? 84 percent said "yes."

-- Should thieves be flogged or have their hands cut off? 77 percent said "yes."

ON DEMOCRACY

-- Is democracy preferable to any other kind of government? 59 percent said "yes."

-- Can a non-democratic system be preferable in certain circumstances? 22 percent said "yes."

-- Is it irrelevant to you what kind of government you have? 16 percent said "yes."

Basically, islam is incompatible with a free society. In the short term it can happen, but as the role of islam in the society grows freedom will eventually lose out because islam doesn't allow for the concept of accepting that others hold a different view or even leave islam.

Numerous surveys done in different countries show similar numbers, you just can't realistically claim that it's just a small minority that is nuts.

 

[Orignal Earl]

As for source:


Where are the statistics which invalidate those of the person you quoted?

Someone is sure to try "see not ALL believe" well no shit, but its a pretty damned high percentage.

I'm not advocating killing these people but please stop ignoring facts as they exist.

Geo's stats point to religionofpeace, Jihadwatchs sister site and here.
Yours lead me to an reuters article and here

So obviously there has been some playing around with these numbers, different parts of different polls put together.

When I do a search on Egypt at pew, I get lots of polls that tell me the opposite
http://search.pewresearch.org/pewresearch/egypt/#content


When I come from reddit/ars to this forum, the difference between posts about this last blowout ( is startling.)
I don't read Stormfront, but this must be getting close.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Geo's stats point to religionofpeace, Jihadwatchs sister site and here.
Yours lead me to an reuters article and here

So obviously there has been some playing around with these numbers, different parts of different polls put together.

When I do a search on Egypt at pew, I get lots of polls that tell me the opposite
http://search.pewresearch.org/pewresearch/egypt/#content


When I come from reddit/ars to this forum, the difference between posts about this last blowout ( is startling.)
I don't read Stormfront, but this must be getting close.

Oi
Thanks earl, I'll look into this further this evening. Ones contention cannot be valid if the statements on which they are based are not.

 

[Incorruptible]

I had already warned about this earlier yet no one listened to me. Radical Islam and freedom cant work

 

[peonyu]

It wasn't even very good at insulting Mohammed. The film could have at least shown him having sex with farm animals, showed him getting his ass kicked by Ganesh, or maybe dating fat chicks or something.

The movie follows the Quaran, just as the movie the Passion of Christ took its excerpts about Jesus from the bible, except with a MUCH smaller budget. If Muslims dont like how Muhammed is portrayed then perhaps they need to read the Quaran ? Muhammed did marry and have sex with a 6 year old, he did kill thousands, he did say to kill the non believers where ever you find them. He did say the Jews are evil and he did kill the majority of Jews in Arabia.

So yea the movie is pretty damn accurate.

 

[Incorruptible]

Geo's stats point to religionofpeace, Jihadwatchs sister site and here.
Yours lead me to an reuters article and here

So obviously there has been some playing around with these numbers, different parts of different polls put together.

When I do a search on Egypt at pew, I get lots of polls that tell me the opposite
http://search.pewresearch.org/pewresearch/egypt/#content


When I come from reddit/ars to this forum, the difference between posts about this last blowout ( is startling.)
I don't read Stormfront, but this must be getting close.

Are you at least willing to condemn the murder of the Americans as well as say that the Muslims who protested are over reacting and cant shut down Freedom Of Speech?

 

[a777pilot]

It would seem that the vast majority of muslims are just pissed off that they are still living in the 7th century.

 

[Incorruptible]

The movie follows the Quaran, just as the movie the Passion of Christ took its excerpts about Jesus from the bible, except with a MUCH smaller budget. If Muslims dont like how Muhammed is portrayed then perhaps they need to read the Quaran ? Muhammed did marry and have sex with a 6 year old, he did kill thousands, he did say to kill the non believers where ever you find them. He did say the Jews are evil and he did kill the majority of Jews in Arabia.

So yea the movie is pretty damn accurate.

Well said, If anything the Muslims should be mad at the Quran

 

[Baasha]

This is hilarious coming from a jew.

The muslims take offense to anything related to their religion as the jews do to anything to do with themselves. At the drop of a hat, the muslims will claim "islamophobia", just as the jews will claim, "anti-semitism".

Of course, the jews do not, and quite frankly, cannot, given their numbers, go around rampaging like the garden-gnomes do.

The whole garbage that is abrahamic religion started with the jews. the christians, then the muslims are a natural extension of that rotten mindset.

take the example of that barbarian elijah. this bastard is seen as a "prophet" by these abrahamic apes. Why? Because he slaughtered more than 400 priests who refused to believe in his YAHOO god! And the maha-fraud jesus claimed he saw this murderous rat elijah in "heaven". Right, keep your heaven and shove it! All three abrahamics (jews/christians/muslims) consider this genocidal maniac elijah as a "profit". tsk tsk.. untouchables they were, untouchables they are, and untouchables they shall remain.

abrahamic cults started with a madman who was about to murder his own son. he had two wives and a concubine whose descendants are the muslims. It is hilarious that these three desert cults cannot reconcile their outlook when they have descended from one barbarian in the desert.

so you and 'em are brothers mang... funny to see these abrahamic vermin go at each other. just make sure to record it in 4K resolution.. we need some good entertainment.. XD

 

[Incorruptible]

This is hilarious coming from a jew.

The muslims take offense to anything related to their religion as the jews do to anything to do with themselves. At the drop of a hat, the muslims will claim "islamophobia", just as the jews will claim, "anti-semitism".

Of course, the jews do not, and quite frankly, cannot, given their numbers, go around rampaging like the garden-gnomes do.

The whole garbage that is abrahamic religion started with the jews. the christians, then the muslims are a natural extension of that rotten mindset.

take the example of that barbarian elijah. this bastard is seen as a "prophet" by these abrahamic apes. Why? Because he slaughtered more than 400 priests who refused to believe in his YAHOO god! And the maha-fraud jesus claimed he saw this murderous rat elijah in "heaven". Right, keep your heaven and shove it! All three abrahamics (jews/christians/muslims) consider this genocidal maniac elijah as a "profit". tsk tsk.. untouchables they were, untouchables they are, and untouchables they shall remain.

abrahamic cults started with a madman who was about to murder his own son. he had two wives and a concubine whose descendants are the muslims. It is hilarious that these three desert cults cannot reconcile their outlook when they have descended from one barbarian in the desert.

so you and 'em are brothers mang... funny to see these abrahamic vermin go at each other. just make sure to record it in 4K resolution.. we need some good entertainment.. XD

Well said

 

[Baasha]

Well said

If you have time, read this article that brilliantly posits how muslims, around the world, have allegiance to their RELIGION over their country: http://www.sandeepweb.com/2012/08/21/is-religious-loyalty-greater-than-patriotism/

It is a fundamental tenet in their philosophy/religion that they habit ONE NATION, a nation of MUSLIMS only, called Dar-ul-Islam (House of Islam). It is therefore foolish and simply disingenuous to claim that only a small portion of muslims are "crazy" and disloyal to their countries. Their religion calls for this kind of behavior.

It is in reference to the riots in India that took place because muslims OUTSIDE of India were being attacked (in Myanmar by Bodo Buddhists). It caused a HUGE migration of north-eastern Indians to leave Indian cities in fear for their lives, a national emergency, but nothing was made of it.

Several people died and of course, the muslims URINATED ON THE NATIONAL WAR MEMORIAL in India. Think about that for a second. INDIAN MUSLIMS, so-called "Indians", peeing on the memorial of the decorated soldiers of the Indian military who laid down their lives in the service of that great nation. This is the "gratitude" that muslims show. And what was it all over? Some muslims were being attacked in some foreign land by foreigners! Nothing to do with India, Indians, or Hindus/Buddhists/Sikhs/Jains in India. It won't be long until Muslims reach a significant portion of the population in the US. Imagine if they rioted here and URINATED on the war memorial in Arlington, Virginia? And, these would be "American muslims". Whatever that means.

 

[Incorruptible]

If you have time, read this article that brilliantly posits how muslims, around the world, have allegiance to their RELIGION over their country: http://www.sandeepweb.com/2012/08/21/is-religious-loyalty-greater-than-patriotism/

I'll check out that article later on, Yes its very true they have no loyalty to there country but there religion.

It is in reference to the riots in India that took place because muslims OUTSIDE of India were being attacked (in Myanmar by Bodo Buddhists). It caused a HUGE migration of north-eastern Indians to leave Indian cities in fear for their lives, a national emergency, but nothing was made of it.

These people need to give there heads a shake, the Muslims in India live a MUCH better life than the muslims in backwards Pakistan or the 3rd world Muslim countries.


Several people died and of course, the muslims URINATED ON THE NATIONAL WAR MEMORIAL in India. Think about that for a second. INDIAN MUSLIMS, so-called "Indians", peeing on the memorial of the decorated soldiers of the Indian military who laid down their lives in the service of that great nation. This is the "gratitude" that muslims show. It won't be long until Muslims reach a significant portion of the population in the US. Imagine if they rioted here and URINATED on the war memorial in Arlington, Virginia? And, these would be "American muslims". Whatever that means.

They have already Americans here and the idiots on this board have DEFENDED the Muslim extremists yet they would call me and you RACISTS :\

In America a Muslim could get away with killing someone for insulting there religion because the leftists would say he was offended

 

[Baasha]

They have already Americans here and the idiots on this board have DEFENDED the Muslim extremists yet they would call me and you RACISTS :\

In America a Muslim could get away with killing someone for insulting there religion because the leftists would say he was offended

LOL yea and you know what's funny? I've heard some of these liberals claim that the muslims behave the way they do because they are "poor", and "unemployed" and are suffering! If that's the case, then the 600+ million Hindus in India who earn less than $2/day should automatically riot, create terror, and destroy everything in their path! Of course, we know that never happens. I wonder why? hmmm..

 

[Orignal Earl]

Are you at least willing to condemn the murder of the Americans as well as say that the Muslims who protested are over reacting and cant shut down Freedom Of Speech?

I don't even want to dignify you with an answer.
But you know what? I've seen a poster on this board giggling about it.
And you guys are on the same side

 

[shadow9d9]

Are you at least willing to condemn the murder of the Americans as well as say that the Muslims who protested are over reacting and cant shut down Freedom Of Speech?

They don't have freedom of speech so it doesn't apply to them. Additionally, our policies have helped keep these fundamentalist dictator regimes in the ME, so we are at least partially to blame for their actions.

 

[shadow9d9]

LOL yea and you know what's funny? I've heard some of these liberals claim that the muslims behave the way they do because they are "poor", and "unemployed" and are suffering! If that's the case, then the 600+ million Hindus in India who earn less than $2/day should automatically riot, create terror, and destroy everything in their path! Of course, we know that never happens. I wonder why? hmmm..

Point out these "liberals" please. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't magically make them liberal.

Muslims in the ME have brutal dictators that we continue to prop up and support because of oil(and have been for 50 years now), who teach hate and keep their people poor and angry and aim that anger at us.

 

[shadow9d9]

This is hilarious coming from a jew.

The muslims take offense to anything related to their religion as the jews do to anything to do with themselves. At the drop of a hat, the muslims will claim "islamophobia", just as the jews will claim, "anti-semitism".

Of course, the jews do not, and quite frankly, cannot, given their numbers, go around rampaging like the garden-gnomes do.

The whole garbage that is abrahamic religion started with the jews. the christians, then the muslims are a natural extension of that rotten mindset.

take the example of that barbarian elijah. this bastard is seen as a "prophet" by these abrahamic apes. Why? Because he slaughtered more than 400 priests who refused to believe in his YAHOO god! And the maha-fraud jesus claimed he saw this murderous rat elijah in "heaven". Right, keep your heaven and shove it! All three abrahamics (jews/christians/muslims) consider this genocidal maniac elijah as a "profit". tsk tsk.. untouchables they were, untouchables they are, and untouchables they shall remain.

abrahamic cults started with a madman who was about to murder his own son. he had two wives and a concubine whose descendants are the muslims. It is hilarious that these three desert cults cannot reconcile their outlook when they have descended from one barbarian in the desert.

so you and 'em are brothers mang... funny to see these abrahamic vermin go at each other. just make sure to record it in 4K resolution.. we need some good entertainment.. XD

Funny, the jews are a huge cause of the problems in the ME. Coming from someone born with jewish parents, the jews used the holocaust as an excuse to gain support from the US/Britain to conquer the most unstable region in the world, based around 3 religion's holy lands... and now for the last 50 years the entire world continues to suffer. If you want to spread blame, blame the jews for a MAJOR part of why the ME is so unstable.

 

[Incorruptible]

Funny, the jews are a huge cause of the problems in the ME. Coming from someone born with jewish parents, the jews used the holocaust as an excuse to gain support from the US/Britain to conquer the most unstable region in the world, based around 3 religion's holy lands... and now for the last 50 years the entire world continues to suffer. If you want to spread blame, blame the jews for a MAJOR part of why the ME is so unstable.

The Jews dont kill people for insulting there prophet

 

[Orignal Earl]

The Jews dont kill people for insulting there prophet

Mel Gibson will tell you a different story
You don't have a clue what your talking about lol