Are Muslims overly sensitive about the Prophet Mohammad?

[OCGuy]

They don't have freedom of speech so it doesn't apply to them. Additionally, our policies have helped keep these fundamentalist dictator regimes in the ME, so we are at least partially to blame for their actions.

Yea just like a woman wearing a short skirt is at least "partially to blame" for being raped.

The US doesn't control the world, despite what you see in movies. We are not to blame for all world happenings.

 

[Incorruptible]

Mel Gibson will tell you a different story
You don't have a clue what your talking about lol

Look at the world today, is it Muslims or Jews that are cutting peoples heads off and blowing people up? Be honest, I know your an extremist who is with the wrong side but you must honest and answer the question

 

[OCGuy]

Mel Gibson will tell you a different story
You don't have a clue what your talking about lol

Mel Gibson? Really?

I don't get why liberals are fighting this one. This is the kind of arguments we are getting.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The US doesn't control the world, despite what you see in movies. We are not to blame for all world happenings.

Iraq, Iran, Indonesia, Qatar, Kashmir, Egypt, Yemen, Jordan, Sudan and Afghanistan.
That's the list of protesters I can find
So it does look like the US is involved in most of those places and have been for quite a while
The other thread is arguing all this is because of Obama's foreign policy
You R's got to get your stories straight


All these people know about the real America is what they have seen in the movies
And that's pretty scarce
This show got way bigger billing and early release date then most major studios can dream of

 

[Orignal Earl]

Mel Gibson? Really?

I don't get why liberals are fighting this one. This is the kind of arguments we are getting.

I thought it was to the point?
And pretty ironic of Incor to bring it up
Made me remember the reaction to that other movie too, the one the french Christians did the firebombing about.

 

[davmat787]

As for source:


Where are the statistics which invalidate those of the person you quoted?

Someone is sure to try "see not ALL believe" well no shit, but its a pretty damned high percentage.

I'm not advocating killing these people but please stop ignoring facts as they exist.

I think you have misunderstood my post, most likely that is my fault. I was asking for the source because that is valuable data to keep on hand when discussing issues such as the OP.

I also think we are on the same page really, Nemesis (post #31) and SNC (post #28) seemed to get what I was saying.

My basic point is that some on the left go out of their way to point out that not all muslims are the same, and that you can't indict the entire muslim population based on a few. Yet, this is exactly how this same subgroup seems to view Christians in the US. I don't understand how the can reconcile this.

With that in mind, if you care to reread my post I think, at least hope, it would then make sense.

You are one of my favorite posters here, due to your rapier wit, well time derision, and your view on things. That you totally misunderstood my post, and I would think agree with it had you understood it or I worded it better, makes me :'( . My ego thrives on the approval of total strangers on the internet. :sneaky:

 

[DCal430]

Iraq, Iran, Indonesia, Qatar, Kashmir, Egypt, Yemen, Jordan, Sudan and Afghanistan.
That's the list of protesters I can find
So it does look like the US is involved in most of those places and have been for quite a while
The other thread is arguing all this is because of Obama's foreign policy
You R's got to get your stories straight


All these people know about the real America is what they have seen in the movies
And that's pretty scarce
This show got way bigger billing and early release date then most major studios can dream of

The fact that you continue to defend these rioters and murders is sickening. You really are sick, talk about Karma, you have lots of bad Karma.

 

[DCal430]

Mel Gibson will tell you a different story
You don't have a clue what your talking about lol

Actually you don't, I would have a big smile on my face if someone butchered you, like you support the killing of others.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Actually you don't, I would have a big smile on my face if someone butchered you, like you support the killing of others.

Incor? Is this another one of your personalities coming out?
lol

 

[DCal430]

Incor? Is this another one of your personalities coming out?
lol

Really you are no better than a murderer, you talk all high, but really you are a sick and disgusting person.

You talk about Dogma, well look in the mirror, you are the one full of dogma, supporting violence and killing over an movie. Your hate is so deep too, it is sad really. You are nasty hateful person, who has done nothing but built up lots of negative karma, your hate consumes you.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Really you are no better than a murderer, you talk all high, but really you are a sick and disgusting person.

You talk about Dogma, well look in the mirror, you are the one full of dogma, supporting violence and killing over an movie. Your hate is so deep too, it is sad really. You are nasty hateful person, who has done nothing but built up lots of negative karma, your hate consumes you.

No wonder these protesters are scaring the hell out of you

 

[DCal430]

No wonder these protesters are scaring the hell out of you

You are totally clueless, what worries me is dogma, dogma that leads to death and destruction, dogma that you full on support and cheer for.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

The issue is not whether or not they are more sensitive. It's that they think it's OK to kill and threaten people who say, write, or draw something about Mohammad. Furthermore, they apparently think it's OK to kill and threaten people who are from the same country as those that offended them.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You are totally clueless, what worries me is dogma, dogma that leads to death and destruction, dogma that you full on support and cheer for.

I'm pretty sure I have never supported or cheered on anything that has led to death and destruction
If you think you are going to ever be able to stop people from worshiping whatever they want, you are totally clueless.
People figured this out a long time ago, that's why you have freedom of religion and separation of church and state.
That's why America is America

 

[DCal430]

I'm pretty sure I have never supported or cheered on anything that has led to death and destruction
If you think you are going to ever be able to stop people from worshiping whatever they want, you are totally clueless.
People figured this out a long time ago, that's why you have freedom of religion and separation of church and state.
That's why America is America

Actually you have, even in this thread you have.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Actually you have, even in this thread you have.

No

 

[trenchfoot]

Source?

One thing I don't understand is how some on the left reconcile their views on Christians vs. Muslims. When conservatives and/or Christians complain about the lefts intolerance of them, we often see them reply with "being tolerant does not include being tolerant of bigotry" or something along those lines. As if conservatives or Christians all fit into this monolithic group of bigotry and intolerance, but that is another subject.

The past several days we have seen several threads and many comments defending Islam, that these are isolated instances, can't view all Muslims the same, .etc.

So how can one reconcile their hatred and intolerance of Christians, while being so tolerant of Muslims in the face of stonings, burning gays, the data GeoSurface provided above, .etc, even going to the lengths of creating threads with pictures of a small group protesting the protesters in Egypt? The only answer I can think of is they do this to get one over on conservatives and have given in to the extremist Muslims, so afraid to offend them that they will go so far as to denigrate Christians for them, but I am sure a better answer than that exists.

Obviously not all Muslims are the same, nor are all Christians, yet one group enjoys the extreme tolerance and a litany of excuses, while the other is always tossed into a single group to be viewed as negatively as possible. WTF gives?

For the record I am not religious at all, just very curious as to why this paradox exists.

This link may be a small piece of the puzzle you're looking to solve. It seems to dispel the notion that religion is the sole intellectual property of the right. http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/09/18/the-god-gap-between-republicans-and-democrats-closed-values/

 

[DoctorA]

Look Muslims consider Muhammad a great and final prophet. He preached monotheism to reject all false deities and return back to THE ONLY creator not to worshipped creation and claiming it to be Gods, founded a state, built a nation, laid down a moral code, initiated numerous social and political reforms, established a powerful and dynamic society to practice and represent his teachings and completely revolutionized the worlds of human thought and behavior for all times to come.

He is an example for muslims as stated in quran. He must be respected by anyone who have read his biography. Muslim or non muslim. For example, Goethe expressed his positive feelings and interpretation of Islam and its prophet in poetic form.He said "Muhammad, the best of the mankind" (Oberhaupt der Geschöpfe - Mohammed)."He is a prophet and not a poet and therefore his Koran is to be seen as Divine Law and not as a book of a human being, made for education or entertainment."

Why Are Muslims So Angry? Anyone who has a inkling of familiarity with the Muslim world knows that sacrilege and blasphemy are not understood as acts of free speech, political expression, or artistic creativity. No, they are bright red lines that promise public panic and guarantee violence.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/john-wight/why-are-muslims-so-angry-_b_1883574.html

However scholars opposed the violent response to anti-Islam film.

"Reactions against the insult directed at Holy Prophet Muhammad were legal and were things desired. This is a necessity of our faith. Defending the Holy Prophet Muhammad is a desirable Islamic behaviour. However, a Muslim must act based on the Islamic law and directives issued by the Holy Prophet Muhammad. We should not be acting in opposition to our Prophet Muhammad while thinking that we are defending him," the statement underlined.

"The violent attacks on U.S. embassies are not within the boundaries of Islam. According to Islamic rules and moral values, we need to be loyal to agreements. Ambassadors, tradesmen or other contracted individuals entering a country can not be harmed. Holy Prophet Muhammad has forbidden the killing of ambassadors," the statement also said.

 

[Incorruptible]

No

You have refused to condemn radical Islam, so in a way you have

 

[StrangerGuy]

Why Are Muslims So Angry? Anyone who has a inkling of familiarity with the Muslim world knows that sacrilege and blasphemy are not understood as acts of free speech, political expression, or artistic creativity. No, they are bright red lines that promise public panic and guarantee violence.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/john-wight/why-are-muslims-so-angry-_b_1883574.html

That's the usual appeal to emotion red herring the Islam apologists love to harp about to justify their religious violence. The naked truth is violence as retaliation is always wrong for mere offense regardless of how they feel, or whether they even understand the underlying logic.

 

[Brutus04]

I believe it is very nieve of you to honestly think that a majority of Muslim like and support what ther United States stands for....
I also believe that those who are not partipating in the demonstrations and rioting at the very least condone what is being said and done!

I see nobody out there in support of the United States...

Please show me where those people are marching and en masse showing support......

Of course we can do a play on words and pretend that the majority of Muslims are in support of the US.......


remember there is always an exception to the rule.....

There were those people who honestly knew what was happening and still supported Adolf Hitler......lolol

May be a repost...All:
I reckon this is why we have this/these fundamental problem(s)!
Subject: FW: Can a good Muslim be a good American?



The logic seems and straightforward. I think all of us should be aware and interested in this information.

Can a good Muslim be a good American?



I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.



The following is his reply:



Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.



Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)



Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).



Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.



Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.



Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.



Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).



Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.



Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and _expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist.



Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.



Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.



Therefore after much study and deliberation.... perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish.... it's still the truth.



If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.



Pass it on Fellow Americans. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.

 

[cybrsage]

We can apply the same statement to Judaism then:

The logic seems and straightforward. I think all of us should be aware and interested in this information.

Can a good Jew be a good American?

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to HaShem, the King of the Universe.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his HaShem except Judaism

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to HaShem alone.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Jerusalem (and Israel), to which he turns in prayer three times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Judaism forbids him to assimilate into the culture of the nation in which he lives.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the Tanakh (Jewish Bible, aka Old Testament), which teaches that Israel is the most important nation on Earth, through which blessings will flow to the other nations.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry only other Jews.

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Christian Biblical principles and he believes the Christianity to be apostasy.
Philosophically - no. Because Judaism, Arbaham/Isaac/Jacob, and the Tanakh do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Judaism cannot co-exist.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Judaism proclaims that HaShem and Jesus are not two parts of God and therefor the Christian God is a false god.




I could do the same basic thing while using Christianity instead of Judaism if you like.

 

[Alaa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLplKvhEKok

I know you won't like the part where they narrator tells his opinion but this is one example of what happened.

 

[Nebor]

I could do the same basic thing while using Christianity instead of Judaism if you like.

I think we can all agree that no religion has a place in modern America, but let's focus on the one trying to blow us up and take us back to the bronze age first.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I don't know how it "seems to you" that the rioters are representative of all (or most) of Islam, but comparing the number of rioters to the number of Muslims seems to suggest it really is just a vocal and violent minority. And clearly the actual rioters are overly touchy, yeah.

I used to think that way too, when i was in Afghanistan.

Then i got back to England and while most Muslims won't tell you to your face that they are glad the ambassador died, they are real fucking happy about it when they are with their friends.

Even the ones who are not will staunchly defend the protests and VERY FEW will say that the retard who made the movie had every right to make it.

A denouncement of the protesters from the Islamic world would be nice but they are not stupid, they know that their own population is against that and will burn them alive if they do apologize.