Are Muslims overly sensitive about the Prophet Mohammad?

[bfdd]

I don't care.

I don't know but how about not insulting at all?

Why not? What's wrong with insults? Are you so weak in believing in yourself that the thoughts of others waiver your resolve? Maybe you should spend more time working on the inner you.

 

[Orignal Earl]

How often do you hear people insult Jews in your country?

I'm betting you would hear far far far more insults about Israel and America.

 

[Orignal Earl]

btw Earl how have you been? Things looking a bit better?

I'm fine
One day at a time

 

[Alaa]

Yes on things made up by someone's mind. We disagree. Your opinion and values are of no different value than mine. The big difference seems to be you hold them up over your head, while I carry mine in my back pocket. Religious figures are no different than non religious figures.

I see but I am talking about a case where something happened and someone came up with another story that goes against reality. If you have an opinion or criticism then you are free to say what you want. But if all what you have to prove yourself is make up your own version of history and lie to insult others then this should be dealt with in a different way.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Why not? What's wrong with insults? Are you so weak in believing in yourself that the thoughts of others waiver your resolve? Maybe you should spend more time working on the inner you.

We never see people on this board freaking out
Everyone has reached Nirvana

 

[Alaa]

Why not? What's wrong with insults? Are you so weak in believing in yourself that the thoughts of others waiver your resolve? Maybe you should spend more time working on the inner you.

I already said I don't really care about someone insulting me. However, insulting should not be a value of freedom. It is bad by all measures.

 

[OCGuy]

I see but I am talking about a case where something happened and someone came up with another story that goes against reality. If you have an opinion or criticism then you are free to say what you want. But if all what you have to prove yourself is make up your own version of history and lie to insult others then this should be dealt with in a different way.

Is this your favorite TV channel?

"A Muslim cleric hosting an Egyptian television show recently outlined his version of Islamic instructions for wife-beating. In another show, a cleric claimed that the Muslim Brotherhood, now governing Egypt, one day will rule the world."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...mic-tv-talkswith-iron-salafist/#ixzz26llsr6Os

The truth cannot be insulting.

 

[Alaa]

How often do you hear people insult Jews in your country?

Quite often but for a reason.

There is an actual state that fights, kills, tortures, sweeps out humans from their homelands because it is called their holy land in an ancient scripture. This state is Israel and most of the western world is so sensitive that it should be there and be defended for a religious reason. I ask the same question : Why so sensitive about Israel? After all it is in the same league as Mohammed, based on religion. Instead of angry mobs, it is protected by smart bombs and weapons as well world wide media.

 

[cybrsage]

My personal view is that all this violence goes against what Mohammed, and certainly against what Allah, would have wanted done. If the goal is to unify the planet under Islam, threatending to kill and maim those who are not Islamic is a bad way to make it happen.

Instead of throwing hate at non-Muslims, throw love, peace, kindness, and charity. Make people WANT to have what you have, not want to destroy you and your kind.


Just my view, sorry to interrupt that hate fest.

 

[Alaa]

My personal view is that all this violence goes against what Mohammed, and certainly against what Allah, would have wanted done. If the goal is to unify the planet under Islam, threatending to kill and maim those who are not Islamic is a bad way to make it happen.

Instead of throwing hate at non-Muslims, throw love, peace, kindness, and charity. Make people WANT to have what you have, not want to destroy you and your kind.


Just my view, sorry to interrupt that hate fest.

LOL. You are right.

 

[bfdd]

We never see people on this board freaking out
Everyone has reached Nirvana

People freak out all the time, no clue as to why tbh. IMO emotional weaklings the lot of them.

 

[OCGuy]

Quite often but for a reason.

Ohhhh so your insults are justified, but everyone else's aren't.

Guess what, I have a reason to insult Islam and any other archaic violent belief system. Now what?

 

[Screech]

Disagree on what exactly? On things made up by someone's mind? Accusations not backed by anything but a rotten mind? There is no agreeing or disagreeing with insulting!

Your laws are not made for religious figures. And honestly I don't really care about anyone insulting me.

Honestly, the film is probably garbage, although I admit I haven't seen it. Nor do I want to; sounds like even more of a waste of time than posting on ATPN (never thought I would say that...). However, I think that saying something that someone finds insulting is well within the filmmakers' legal rights, provided it does not break an existing law. And it doesn't.

There is no agreeing or disagreeing? Surely there is. If I collected all the pertinent information I could then analyze if the film is truthful, based on what is known about the past, or not. But I don't have to, because again, I can agree that even something I find insulting is generally legal (outside of things I outlined in the post above)

So, I will ask again: what would you have done? Should the filmmaker be fined? Imprisoned? Beheaded? What about the actors/actresses? Should they have hands cut off so they can't act out Mohammed in the future (or at least can't act out a Mohammed with all his limbs attached)? How about anyone involved in making the film; editors, cameramen? Should they be fined, or imprisoned, or shot, for making something you find insulting?

You have stated that people should not be allowed the freedom to make such insults, so let's hear it: what fate would you force upon them?

 

[Alaa]

Ohhhh so your insults are justified, but everyone else's aren't.

Guess what, I have a reason to insult Islam and any other archaic violent belief system. Now what?

That's their justification. It doesn't mean I agree with it. Not to mention that these people are hopeless since Israel oppresses their rights with military forces.

 

[Alaa]

Honestly, the film is probably garbage, although I admit I haven't seen it. Nor do I want to; sounds like even more of a waste of time than posting on ATPN (never thought I would say that...). However, I think that saying something that someone finds insulting is well within the filmmakers' legal rights, provided it does not break an existing law. And it doesn't.

There is no agreeing or disagreeing? Surely there is. If I collected all the pertinent information I could then analyze if the film is truthful, based on what is known about the past, or not. But I don't have to, because again, I can agree that even something I find insulting is generally legal (outside of things I outlined in the post above)

So, I will ask again: what would you have done? Should the filmmaker be fined? Imprisoned? Beheaded? What about the actors/actresses? Should they have hands cut off so they can't act out Mohammed in the future (or at least can't act out a Mohammed with all his limbs attached)? How about anyone involved in making the film; editors, cameramen? Should they be fined, or imprisoned, or shot, for making something you find insulting?

You have stated that people should not be allowed the freedom to make such insults, so let's hear it: what fate would you force upon them?

I think I'll leave the decision to you because all I want is respect. But if you insist then, beheaded in addition to 15 random Americans.

 

[OCGuy]

That's their justification. It doesn't mean I agree with it. Not to mention that these people are hopeless since Israel oppresses their rights with military forces.

And there we have it, we have arrived at the real reason behind unrest in the Muslim world.

Poverty and despair are terrible things that cause violence anywhere they are present.

The ME need to blame their leaders that have pilliaged and raped their subjects and the land, keeping all of the profits for themselves.

Why blame the US, who sends more money to muslim countries in exchange for fossil fuel and military support than anyone else?

Islam is used as a tool by the clerics and rulers to control the masses and direct anger towards the West. They don't believe nor follow the crap they spew about religion.

 

[Screech]

I think I'll leave the decision to you because all I want is respect. But if you insist then, beheaded in addition to 15 random Americans.

You think I should respect you when you believe that the filmmaker in addition to fifteen random people should be beheaded because someone else insulted you? uhhhhh........

Respect is not merely given, it is earned. If you honestly hold that opinion, you are frankly not worthy of my respect. Of course I don't want you beheaded or anything, I just think that if you hold that opinion you are a moron not deserving of my respect. That said, I think you are talking in jest here, as you said it should be left to me, in which case, nothing should be done to them because, again, freedom of speech.

edit: Since the above might make me look like an asshole, I should add: I do not think ill of anyone with whom I am not familiar. I do not disrespect people I do not know, and most people can earn my respect by being kind to me. However, asking for random people to have their heads cut off is not a good way to earn respect (well, maybe it is in the middle east, but not here).

 

[OCGuy]

I think I'll leave the decision to you because all I want is respect. But if you insist then, beheaded in addition to 15 random Americans.

Grab your sword and come on over. Or if that is too far fetched, go bother some Marines in a local embassy. At least the Saudis had the balls to do something about it.

Any unlike the Saudis, the new "Muslim Brotherhood" that runs Egypt is NOT a US "ally." That means we won't pretend to be your friend to keep oil prices low.

A trailer that you have never seen does not "bother" you. You are programmed to kill/attack anything that is perceived to be an insult to your mythical belief system.

Civilized people do not resort to violence over disrespect. Period.

 

[bfdd]

OCGuy, with all due respect the US Federal Government has been involving themselves in their business over there for far to long, usually at the behest of giant monied entities. We need to stop that and then we can have more firm ground to stand on.

 

[Alaa]

And there we have it, we have arrived at the real reason behind unrest in the Muslim world.

Poverty and despair are terrible things that cause violence anywhere they are present.

The ME need to blame their leaders that have pilliaged and raped their subjects and the land, keeping all of the profits for themselves.

Why blame the US, who sends more money to muslim countries in exchange for fossil fuel and military support than anyone else?

Islam is used as a tool by the clerics and rulers to control the masses and direct anger towards the West. They don't believe nor follow the crap they spew about religion.

For helping Israel to oppress us, the weak, because we can't defend ourselves since all our profits go to leaders whom the US supports? And helping Israel for the same reason they oppose us for, religion.

 

[Incorruptible]

Grab your sword and come on over. Or if that is too far fetched, go bother some Marines in a local embassy. At least the Saudis had the balls to do something about it.

Any unlike the Saudis, the new "Muslim Brotherhood" that runs Egypt is NOT a US "ally." That means we won't pretend to be your friend to keep oil prices low.

A trailer that you have never seen does not "bother" you. You are programmed to kill/attack anything that is perceived to be an insult to your mythical belief system.

Civilized people do not resort to violence over disrespect. Period.

these people aren't civilized and are still stuck in the 7th century

 

[Alaa]

You think I should respect you when you believe that the filmmaker in addition to fifteen random people should be beheaded because someone else insulted you? uhhhhh........

Respect is not merely given, it is earned. If you honestly hold that opinion, you are frankly not worthy of my respect. Of course I don't want you beheaded or anything, I just think that if you hold that opinion you are a moron not deserving of my respect. That said, I think you are talking in jest here, as you said it should be left to me, in which case, nothing should be done to them because, again, freedom of speech.

edit: Since the above might make me look like an asshole, I should add: I do not think ill of anyone with whom I am not familiar. I do not disrespect people I do not know, and most people can earn my respect by being kind to me. However, asking for random people to have their heads cut off is not a good way to earn respect (well, maybe it is in the middle east, but not here).

Seriously, you think anyone in this world would want 15 random people to get beheaded?

 

[bfdd]

For helping Israel to oppress us, the weak, because we can't defend ourselves since all our profits go to leaders whom the US supports? And helping Israel for the same reason they oppose us for, religion.

These are all legitimate grievances, but they aren't exactly the fault of Americans in general. They are the fault of those in power, the Republicans and Democrats who have stolen our Government from us. I'm not saying without them I wouldn't still be defending freedom of speech here, I would, but they have gone to great lengths to wrest from us our nation and give it to the monied powers that in turn run their organizations. We here in the States are stuck under their thumb as well, watching all of our wealth flow to them while they try to put on a grand horse and pony show to distract us.

 

[OCGuy]

For helping Israel to oppress us, the weak, because we can't defend ourselves since all our profits go to leaders whom the US supports? And helping Israel for the same reason they oppose us for, religion.

That is the lie that you have been told, it doesn't make it so.

The US knew about the extermination camps and the persecution of the Jews in WWII. When did we finally get involved? After WE were attacked.

This country was isolationist. The world brought us into the big clusterfuck that is our current foreign policy.

 

[bfdd]

That is the lie that you have been told, it doesn't make it so.

The US knew about the extermination camps and the persecution of the Jews in WWII. When did we finally get involved? After WE were attacked.

This country was isolationist. The world brought us into the big clusterfuck that is our current foreign policy.

I want to go back to being non-interventionist, not isolationists. What do we have to do to move forward in that direction?