kill them for chrissake. the horrid sniper obviously deserves to die a slow painful death.
kill the motherfu....:|
kill the motherfu....:|
Well good luck, Ornery. I have changed my opinion on this four times. Other, now, than your absolutism, I know how you feel.
Ornery - <<However, if a person like this sniper were found guilty with no doubt...>>
That's usually the way it is.
It's hard to find someone guilty with some doubt.
That's usually the way it is.
It's hard to find someone guilty with some doubt."...guilty with no doubt"
I just hate having to type out "Beyond a reasonable doubt" (In weighing evidence it means that one is fully satisfied, entirely convinced, and is the equivalent of the words clear, precise and indubitable.)
Before I could throw the switch, I'd have to know 100% sure, the guy sitting in the chair was guilty. For example, from the evidence I saw, I'm 95% sure OJ should have been sitting in the chair. If I had been on the jury, I bet I would have been exposed to enough extra evidence to push that to 100%. Our system definitely needs some work!
I just hate having to type out "Beyond a reasonable doubt" (In weighing evidence it means that one is fully satisfied, entirely convinced, and is the equivalent of the words clear, precise and indubitable.)
Before I could throw the switch, I'd have to know 100% sure, the guy sitting in the chair was guilty. For example, from the evidence I saw, I'm 95% sure OJ should have been sitting in the chair. If I had been on the jury, I bet I would have been exposed to enough extra evidence to push that to 100%. Our system definitely needs some work!
Originally posted by: Harvey
Yes, it does. Sadly, in self defense and defensive war, it may be the lesser of two evils, but it is still evil. If you don't think so, you should do some deep soul searching to ask yourself if you have become the evil you are battliing.
Right so, a robber breaks into your house, is going to kill you or your family, and you kill him in self-defense, that makes you evil, albeit not AS evil as someone who murdered for another reason.
Right, if you think so I think you need to do some soul searching and see if your head has become irreversably lodged in your rectum.
Dead? Of course I want them dead. In my opinion, htey should be put in general population while in prison, not in protected custody. They will be killed sooner or later(Remember Jeffery Daumer?). They will be brutalized, beaten and dead. What more could you ask for? But I do want them to have a fair and just trial, after all justice is what allegedly makes us(The United States) better than other cointries.
As far as the death penelty in general, I think that it is a great thing, but only once you remove immunity for judges and prosecuters. Make it tuely possible to hold judges, prosecuters, police, whoever responable for covering or not introducing evidence that would show a accuseds innocence or guilt. If a person is imprisoned or executed due to "misgivings" by the "justice" system, then the person or person responsable for such malpractice will be given the same sentence as the mis-prosecuted individual. Again, no protected custody for convicted judge, prosecuters, etc., general population. I think such a policy would have a definite and positive impact in the reduction of false prosecutions in this country, and would put several of the criminals that operate the judical system in this country where they belong: In prison.
As far as the death penelty in general, I think that it is a great thing, but only once you remove immunity for judges and prosecuters. Make it tuely possible to hold judges, prosecuters, police, whoever responable for covering or not introducing evidence that would show a accuseds innocence or guilt. If a person is imprisoned or executed due to "misgivings" by the "justice" system, then the person or person responsable for such malpractice will be given the same sentence as the mis-prosecuted individual. Again, no protected custody for convicted judge, prosecuters, etc., general population. I think such a policy would have a definite and positive impact in the reduction of false prosecutions in this country, and would put several of the criminals that operate the judical system in this country where they belong: In prison.
When robbers broke into Mulla Nasrudins home he hid in the closet. The authorities later found him cowering there. When asked why he had hid instead of defending his home, he replied that he was mortified with embarassment that he had nothing f value to steal.
Kill BOTH,
The Kid and the father,
He knew what he was doing, i don't care if he was 10!
Let em fry...
The Kid and the father,
He knew what he was doing, i don't care if he was 10!
Let em fry...
"...mortified with embarassment that he had nothing of value to steal."
Heh, robbers would know better than to bother robbing my house for the same reason. All they'll find is shelves full of antiquated computer parts. Oh, and our 36" WEGA, but how the hell would they get that puppy out of here without a forklift?
I'd like to know what went through your minds during the weeks of the sniper's terror. All I could think of was this guy suddenly stopping, and we'd never catch him. I thought of what would happen if a mob were able to get their hands on him before the cops showed up. I wondered what was going through his mind, about what would happen if he got caught. Mostly I was concerned he would escape justice. So far, so good...
Heh, robbers would know better than to bother robbing my house for the same reason. All they'll find is shelves full of antiquated computer parts. Oh, and our 36" WEGA, but how the hell would they get that puppy out of here without a forklift?
I'd like to know what went through your minds during the weeks of the sniper's terror. All I could think of was this guy suddenly stopping, and we'd never catch him. I thought of what would happen if a mob were able to get their hands on him before the cops showed up. I wondered what was going through his mind, about what would happen if he got caught. Mostly I was concerned he would escape justice. So far, so good...
Lets consider the VICTIMS for a flipping change instead of the guilty parties. As far as I am concerned the guilty parties should lose all their rights immediately upon being found guilty! What was the penalty for the victims?? IT WAS DEATH! These 2 cowards CHOSE to pull the trigger on alot of INNOCENT people, including a 13 year old boy! Let the Mother Fu#*@#@s fry! They put themselves into this situation, no one made them pull the trigger! They should receive the same punishement that they inflicted upon the victims and nothing less. Life in prison is way too easy!
Hehe, Ornery, I sometimes wonder if you ever think about what you say. I don't say that with meanness, but you blew off without a single sign of acknowledgment what I suggested your attitude implies about how you treat yourself. I didn't make my post for the sake of the snipers, I made it for the possibility that you might be a little less hard, and therefore hard on yourself. Now you say you were afraid the snipers would stop before getting caught. If they'd stopped after the first wouldn't it be like 9 more people would be alive? We might have got them after they killed a hundred. So what is better to stop at one and get away, or to get caught after 100?
How I felt was that the media was having a feeding frenzy using fear and primate huddling to sell product via viewer ratings. It pisses me off that day by day the already diminished consciousness of everyday people is augmented enhanced and extended downward by the exploitation of media coroprations for the sake of their bottom line. There are real issues and real news stories in the world with enormous importance to our lives. The average American has almost completely lost the capacity to think. He and she is sustained by an IV drip filled with lulling drugs poured forth from the TV.
How I felt was that the media was having a feeding frenzy using fear and primate huddling to sell product via viewer ratings. It pisses me off that day by day the already diminished consciousness of everyday people is augmented enhanced and extended downward by the exploitation of media coroprations for the sake of their bottom line. There are real issues and real news stories in the world with enormous importance to our lives. The average American has almost completely lost the capacity to think. He and she is sustained by an IV drip filled with lulling drugs poured forth from the TV.
virtuamike
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hell China executes more people than Texas.Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
why not be like china and work them in camps or whatever
Damn, and I always thought it was just because there's more people in China than Texas
If Gandalf were real, I'd know exactly where he'd shove that staff of his
And in this case I don't think God would mind if we hurried up the death process so He can deal out His own judgement
Anyways you know my thoughts on this. Hand Richard Simmons a gun, let him shoot the bastards (because as you all know Simmons is going to hell for torturing us throughout the years).
"assuming it's true than the way you feel about the sniper and what you want to do to him is what you have actually done and do to yourself, why I can imagine why occasionally you might get curious as to whether anybody's changed their mind."
I just want to know if this pushed some "soft on crime" people beyond their current position. There was a similar topic started from the left, regarding the cute girl being executed in Texas. You might have asked at that time, "Are you still in favor of the death penalty, in the case of sweet little girl?" "Are you still so blood thirsty, you want this girl put to death?" That's the only point here. No more, no less.
I just want to know if this pushed some "soft on crime" people beyond their current position. There was a similar topic started from the left, regarding the cute girl being executed in Texas. You might have asked at that time, "Are you still in favor of the death penalty, in the case of sweet little girl?" "Are you still so blood thirsty, you want this girl put to death?" That's the only point here. No more, no less.
Uhhh..... because if I REALLY don't like what he did.... I would not turn around and do the same thing.
If killing is wrong, how can you enjoy it so much ?
Maybe, you are more like him.... I am not.
DanTMWTMP
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Originally posted by: Stark
Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man."
Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder."
Exodus 21:12 "He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death. 13 However, if he did not lie in wait, but God delivered him into his hand, then I will appoint for you a place where he may flee. 14 "But if a man acts with premeditation against his neighbor, to kill him by treachery, you shall take him from My altar, that he may die."
If killing is wrong, how can you enjoy it so much ?
Nice, simple question. Simple answer: It's for revenge. It's punishment. It's redress!
A more complex answer would be: That argument will NEVER hold water if you use logic. It's wrong to take away somebody's freedom. Kidnapping, for one example. Holding someone hostage would be another. But gee, what would be the penalty for committing such a crime?
Nice, simple question. Simple answer: It's for revenge. It's punishment. It's redress!
A more complex answer would be: That argument will NEVER hold water if you use logic. It's wrong to take away somebody's freedom. Kidnapping, for one example. Holding someone hostage would be another. But gee, what would be the penalty for committing such a crime?
lalalalalala!!
Such is the echo heard between this turnip's ears day and night.
God knows cold killers deserve the same consideration as innocent babies!
Such is the echo heard between this turnip's ears day and night.
God knows cold killers deserve the same consideration as innocent babies!
XMan
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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
and i find it ironic that many people that support the death penalty are pro lifers
lalalalalala!!
I used to support the death penalty, but I don't know any more. I am beginning to think it's the easy way out . . . the idea of life without parole scares me more than being killed quickly would. But then again I'm not a murderer, so I don't know how to empathize.
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