Anti-ACORN filmmaker arrested

[PJABBER]

Dude, you need to put down the pipe. I've got no great love for Acorn, I didn't even know about them until righties tried to make them a campaign issue.

It may be a wate of money, but in case you haven't noticed, the govt wastes exponentially more money on even worse programs, like abstinence education, for example.
Why aren't you screaming to get our troops out of Iraq?
Pull your partisan head out of your ass and complain about a real problem.

You are the one defending them uncritically, though you do a piss poor job at it.

You are the one who fails to see, or maybe just fails to acknowledge, the problems with ACORN staring you right in the face. Why?

Sure there are lots of problems and issues everywhere, but you and your left leaning friends' attempts at equivalency are laughable. You are perfect patsies, exactly the kind of easy target O'Keefe et al identified and mocked. And I am not even defending his actions.

 

[werepossum]

Wow, treason? Really? Do you even know the meaning of the word? Or how treason is treated legally in the United States? Do you think they would be released if they were suspected of being terrorists, like the Islamists (oh, uh, nevermind, scratch that last statement!) You must be getting your talking points from the moonbat channel.

Bail amounts reflect both the seriousness of an offense and the likelihood they will not appear for trial. While the current charge is a placeholder, as is typical in a federal case while it is being developed, do you REALLY think that the feds are going to release the four on only $10,000 bail if they thought there was a serious case pending?

There is no indication that the four hid anything from the arresting officers. There is no indication that they were there to emplace wiretaps or anything else.

Of course, we do not know from current news reports or statements from the perps themselves exactly what they were attempting to do, but to conjecture and extrapolate like this simply reflects your own complete lack of rational perspective.

Agreed that treason is just stupid, but I still want to see them prosecuted. That liberals do things like this and get away with it is not justification for our side demanding the same treatment; rather, we should be arguing to fix the leniency that allows Democrat operatives to escape meaningful prosecution. Also, whatever their intent it seems to me that this rises a bit above the usual level of political shenanigans, breaking into offices and slashing tires and recording conversations using illegal scanners. At the very least we need to investigate them on every possible angle.

 

[PJABBER]

Agreed that treason is just stupid, but I still want to see them prosecuted. That liberals do things like this and get away with it is not justification for our side demanding the same treatment; rather, we should be arguing to fix the leniency that allows Democrat operatives to escape meaningful prosecution. Also, whatever their intent it seems to me that this rises a bit above the usual level of political shenanigans, breaking into offices and slashing tires and recording conversations using illegal scanners. At the very least we need to investigate them on every possible angle.

Agreed, the four of them will be investigated by not only the feds but by every left wing nut job out there looking to discredit them. My guess is that they will be charged with the equivalent of trespassing and serve no time. But they screwed up and need to pay whatever the price may be.

While I am grateful that O'Keefe allowed the world to see what crawls under the ACORN rock, I have no interest in defending his methodology.

I am curious as to what he and his buddies were doing there, though. They don't apparently have the skill sets or the intent to be wiretappers, thieves or terrorists and they are barely humorists, but they were determined to do what exactly? All four have backgrounds in running school newspapers, all aspired to working as journalists - what was the target?

 

[Lemon law]

We have to wonder about the validity of the following comment: " do you REALLY think that the feds are going to release the four on only $10,000 bail if they thought there was a serious case pending?"

When one is the arrested idiots is the son of the about the be ousted Justice Department DA from the Minnesota district. Strings pulled from high levels may be just another sign that someone is trying to apply a fix. Pull in all your IOU's fast and at least your sonny boy gets cheap bail.

But how long the insider fix lasts may be quite another question. A lie can go twenty times around the world before the truth gets started, but when charges are pending, sonny boy can dangle slowly slowly in the wind waiting for more serious charges to be filed.

OK OK , sonny boy is free for now, what happens when the other shoes drop?

 

[PJABBER]

We have to wonder about the validity of the following comment: " do you REALLY think that the feds are going to release the four on only $10,000 bail if they thought there was a serious case pending?"
Blah, blah, blah. Mountain out of a molehill ramblings...

Make that an UNSECURED $10,000 bail, they did not have to put up any money and out the door they went.

Ain't justice grand? I bet they don't even have to go before a military tribunal.

 

[Zargon]

Make that an UNSECURED $10,000 bail, they did not have to put up any money and out the door they went.

Ain't justice grand? I bet they don't even have to go before a military tribunal.

bail depends on risk of flight, and they arent violent criminals.

its not that big of a deal.

 

[Patranus]

Repubs and cons would never do anything like this...
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/01/22/infiltration_of_files_seen_as_extensive/

Why exactly should anything done on a government computer be considered "secret"?
Government computer are provided for government use, not for the use of the Democrat party.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Prison time?! That little yuppie wouldn't last the night in juvie hall. Phone tampering? That's Soo 1970's

Fluorescent vests and a construction-style hard hat for an office phone switchboard crew? Lolz!. And here I thought the pimp costume was out of touch with reality. Where do they breed these people? Do they look up to the Village People for verisimilitude? What's the next cunning plan, infiltration of a NA reservation with war paint and eagle feather bonnets?

I wonder what they thought they were going to find by tapping her phones. Did they actually think they were going to be able to listen in and catch her demanding bribes, or ordering hits or making drug deals or something? Did they think they were in a movie? What kind of deluded fantasy world are they living in?

Today, Fox Gnaws is pretending he doesn't exist, they never heard of him, and Glen Beck, is dancing the renounce, denounce and condemn dance, aka, the Dance of the Seven Voles. Two bits says first thing he did when he got out on bail is put in calls to those 31 Pubbie Reps, a further two bits says he found them all terribly, terribly busy, Please leave a message, your call is important to us.....

Maybe the prosecutor will now subpoena the unedited ACORN tapes in order to show that this is a behavioral pattern. I'm sure that this was just a harmless little prank. Boys will be boys right? They were just funnin' ya. Just having a bit of a joke, ya know. It's just a hobby of theirs they were engaged in. One of O'Keefe's frat-boy commandos apparently is the son of a current US attorney.

I can hear O' Keefe's lawyer now. Your Honor!, what my client did is not a crime. The Patriot act of 2001 gave permission to the Government to wiretap anyone. The Government is merely a... *waves hand*... an idea, a concept, a construct to represent We, The People. Are you saying my client is not part of that?! He's an American citizen ..*pounds table*.. And as such entitled to wiretap suspects of socialism in accordance with the LAW.. *pounds table some more*... And I believe we can all agree the Senator is question is suspected of socialism. If she wasn't, my client wouldn't have tried to wiretap her, or it would Not make Sense. Hey!.. Look at the silly monkey!

 

[PJABBER]

I can hear O' Keefe's lawyer now. Your Honor!, what my client did is not a crime. The Patriot act of 2001 gave permission to the Government to wiretap anyone. The Government is merely a... *waves hand*... an idea, a concept, a construct to represent We, The People. Are you saying my client is not part of that?! He's an American citizen ..*pounds table*.. And as such entitled to wiretap suspects of socialism in accordance with the LAW.. *pounds table some more*... And I believe we can all agree the Senator is question is suspected of socialism. If she wasn't, my client wouldn't have tried to wiretap her, or it would Not make Sense. Hey!.. Look at the silly monkey!

That is the reasoning we hear from the "progressives" defending their revolutionary/anarchy/overthrow the government/renounce the Constitution activities.

Of course, O'Keefe says he is a radical progressive and an avowed acolyte of Saul Alinsky methodology, so, maybe he will use the same arguments... Or maybe not.

Where is that pesky monkey? :awe:

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Agreed, the four of them will be investigated by not only the feds but by every left wing nut job out there looking to discredit them. My guess is that they will be charged with the equivalent of trespassing and serve no time. But they screwed up and need to pay whatever the price may be.

While I am grateful that O'Keefe allowed the world to see what crawls under the ACORN rock, I have no interest in defending his methodology.

I am curious as to what he and his buddies were doing there, though. They don't apparently have the skill sets or the intent to be wiretappers, thieves or terrorists and they are barely humorists, but they were determined to do what exactly? All four have backgrounds in running school newspapers, all aspired to working as journalists - what was the target?

Your thinking PJ, I like that. It was NOT a target, it was a goal, and they pretty much achieved it, as they did with ACORN. Two pitches, two hits, are you listening Werepossum? Why would a reporter try to smuggle a rubber knife past airport security? Is possession of said rubber knife a felony? Discredited? hardly, I for one, am wondering what these boys will try next. Did Heraldo just fade away after the vault fiasco? Did you know that Nancy Grace has her own show? I know of only one journalist that was taken off the map, and rightfully so, for he out, and out lied to the American people. I applaud these young people, and their dedication, I wish there were thousands more like them. The TRUTH, and the STORY does not need a slant, it just needs to be told. Unfortunately, over the years it seems all media reporting has a slant, or an agenda. Most of you do not even realize you are being steered,and manipulated by the mere changing of adjectives. sometimes they can get away with lies, or "half truths" on the front page, but not to worry, the retraction will be on page 26 in next weeks edition here's just one case in point, so many have already tried, and convicted these boys, or claim to know their affiliations, or motivations but as yet, they've not even been formally charged with anything! I'm almost afraid to admit that I'm growing weary of my diet of bread and circus, but alas, I'm sure there's a law against that.
They shoot horse's don't they?

 

[soundforbjt]

^^^ They've appeared in court and have beeen "formally" charged with a crime and have been released on bail. Where are you getting your news from? Fox?

 

[Lemon law]

To listen to runwithzsizors, he makes it seem that these people went half way across the country, and then happened to all congregate at a US Senators office because they thought it was place they could hold their next fraternity party.

But point taken, we don't know exactly what they were up to YET. But trust me, a lot of people will work very hard to find out exactly what they were up to. Meanwhile, they dangle slowly slowly in the wind. And like Watergate, we don't yet know how high it will go. ONLY TIME WILL TELL and I have patience. Watergate took two years to even partially unravel and its been less than a week yet.

As for the four stooges, if one cracks, the other three are toast.

And if there is one thing the democrats are very good at it has to be patient staff work. Ask where Alberto Gonzales and Tom Delay are right now and how long they lasted when they tried to foist off half baked cover stories. And you can bet they will also follow the money and funding sources.

 

[Craig234]

To listen to runwithzsizors, he makes it seem that these people went half way across the country, and then happened to all congregate at a US Senators house because they thought it was place they could hold their next fraternity party.

But point taken, we don't know exactly what they were up to YET. But trust me, a lot of people will work very hard to find out exactly what they were up to. Meanwhile, they dangle slowly slowly in the wind. And like Watergate, we don't yet know how high it will go. ONLY TIME WILL TELL and I have patience. Watergate took two years to even partially unravel and its been less than a week yet.

As for the four stooges, if one cracks, the other three are toast.

I'm pretty sure this time it stops short of the President.

I wouldn't read too much into these guys, IMO they're likely very small-time, alone or close to it.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

^^^ They've appeared in court and have beeen "formally" charged with a crime and have been released on bail. Where are you getting your news from? Fox?

They have made an, *INITIAL*court appearance, and were charged with, entering federal property under false pretenses. This, in my mind is the DA's way of saying, we don't know what the hell we're gonna charge you boy's with, YET, but I got to charge you with something, until we can find something that will stick. Trust me, there will be more charges.
Fox News?, you are making assumptions, and you don't know me. With less than 10 posts in P/N, how could you?

 

[WHAMPOM]

You are the one defending them uncritically, though you do a piss poor job at it.

You are the one who fails to see, or maybe just fails to acknowledge, the problems with ACORN staring you right in the face. Why?

Sure there are lots of problems and issues everywhere, but you and your left leaning friends' attempts at equivalency are laughable. You are perfect patsies, exactly the kind of easy target O'Keefe et al identified and mocked. And I am not even defending his actions.

Please save your hysterical over reactions to ACORN's peccadillos. squared

 

[WHAMPOM]

I'm pretty sure this time it stops short of the President.

I wouldn't read too much into these guys, IMO they're likely very small-time, alone or close to it.

Yes, they are all hard working boys with full time jobs "somewhere".

 

[Lemon law]

I think Craig234 misses the point when he notes, "I'm pretty sure this time it stops short of the President.

I wouldn't read too much into these guys, IMO they're likely very small-time, alone or close to it."

We do not know to this day if Richard Nixon knew or approved of the Watergate burglary in advance. Nixon's sin was in trying to obstruct justice and cover up the RNC officials who approved the burglary.

But point taken Craig234, they may be a lone gang of four incompetents, or they may have a wealthy and powerful funding source who is now ensnared.

Or it could be a dry hole like Monica Goodling who knew nothing, but was still willing to cheerfully do illegal activities.

We do not know YET, but we do have a good idea of how the investigations will proceed.

 

[Craig234]

I think Craig234 misses the point when he notes, "I'm pretty sure this time it stops short of the President.

I wouldn't read too much into these guys, IMO they're likely very small-time, alone or close to it."

We do not know to this day if Richard Nixon knew or approved of the Watergate burglary in advance. Nixon's sin was in trying to obstruct justice and cover up the RNC officials who approved the burglary.

Yes, we do - we have a key insider who finally confessed he personally was on the phone when Nixon ordered the breakin to proceed. Watch the PBS documentary, Watergate 25 years later, for the statement.

But point taken Craig234, they may be a lone gang of four incompetents, or they may have a wealthy and powerful funding source who is now ensnared.

Or it could be a dry hole like Monica Goodling who knew nothing, but was still willing to cheerfully do illegal activities.

We do not know YET, but we do have a good idea of how the investigations will proceed.

I'm not sure what you are saying about my post.

Yes, that was Nixon's larger crime when he tried to cover it up. What did I say othewise?

I expressed my opinion of whats lkely to be found. I didn't 100% rule out more backing, or I'd have used stronger language.

 

[caddlad]

I luvs me some parsed up huffpo:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kara-vallow/junior-g-man-james-okeefe_b_439689.html

I'm delighted to see that the feral children of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove are at it again - and that this time their antics may land them in the Federal Pen for a VERY long time.

O'Keefe is anything but the "investigative journalist" he claims to be: he's an infantile black-propaganda warrior for the Status Quo Ante. His motto (which could be the logo-cum-modus operandi for the entire right-wing project of the last three decades) is, as O'Keefe expressed it on Andrew Breitbart's brain-dead, truth-averse right-wing news-toilet BigGovernment.com "It is time for conservative activists to create chaos for glory." I think a few bleak nights in the penitentiary will soon acquaint O'Keefe more intimately with chaos (likely in the form of severe rectal fissures) than they will with glory of any kind.

I'd guess that these children (they sure ACT like children) have been raised in the new disinfotainment dispensation in which one can grow to manhood without ever consulting any source of news besides prejudice-confirming propaganda outlets like The American Standard, Michelle Malkin, WorldNetDaily and Fox News. And if you take your history lessons from ill-informed showboaters and attention-seekers like Glenn Beck, then it's probably also likely that you have only the dimmest understanding of how the law works, or of how the legislative apparatus will kick your skinny post-pubescent ass down a mile-long flight of stairs if you behave as if it doesn't apply to you. Believe all you want to the delusions and lies you pick up from the right-wing noise machine, but someday reality will come back and mug you - for real.

Kara Vallow

This guys fresh fish.

 

[werepossum]

Your thinking PJ, I like that. It was NOT a target, it was a goal, and they pretty much achieved it, as they did with ACORN. Two pitches, two hits, are you listening Werepossum? Why would a reporter try to smuggle a rubber knife past airport security? Is possession of said rubber knife a felony? Discredited? hardly, I for one, am wondering what these boys will try next. Did Heraldo just fade away after the vault fiasco? Did you know that Nancy Grace has her own show? I know of only one journalist that was taken off the map, and rightfully so, for he out, and out lied to the American people. I applaud these young people, and their dedication, I wish there were thousands more like them. The TRUTH, and the STORY does not need a slant, it just needs to be told. Unfortunately, over the years it seems all media reporting has a slant, or an agenda. Most of you do not even realize you are being steered,and manipulated by the mere changing of adjectives. sometimes they can get away with lies, or "half truths" on the front page, but not to worry, the retraction will be on page 26 in next weeks edition here's just one case in point, so many have already tried, and convicted these boys, or claim to know their affiliations, or motivations but as yet, they've not even been formally charged with anything! I'm almost afraid to admit that I'm growing weary of my diet of bread and circus, but alas, I'm sure there's a law against that.
They shoot horse's don't they?

Maybe. I'm not big on reporters, but I can see how the reporter trying to smuggle a weapon onto a plane could be cut some slack for trying to expose a potential threat to public safety. I cannot see how ineffectively fiddling with a senator's unsecure phone holds up to the test of searching for threats to the public safety.

Funny that BMW asserts Fox News is ignoring them, I've seen about ten minutes of O'Reilly this week and that was the story he was doing. I of course have no problem believing that BMW has watched much more Fox News than have I and is not simply repeating what the Daily Kos is saying . . .

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Maybe. I'm not big on reporters, but I can see how the reporter trying to smuggle a weapon onto a plane could be cut some slack for trying to expose a potential threat to public safety. I cannot see how ineffectively fiddling with a senator's unsecure phone holds up to the test of searching for threats to the public safety.

Funny that BMW asserts Fox News is ignoring them, I've seen about ten minutes of O'Reilly this week and that was the story he was doing. I of course have no problem believing that BMW has watched much more Fox News than have I and is not simply repeating what the Daily Kos is saying . . .

Gosh Werepossom, you just shot my theory in the foot, but not clean out of the water. Perhaps the phone repair ruse was used to accomplish something else? Wait a minute, hold the phone, this just in, seems the senator was accused of, blocking, erasing, or just not listening to the hundreds of calls complaining about her "sellout" vote on HC. They were going to make a few calls to her office while they were in it, to see what happens. THAT'S IT! are you kidding me! you wanted to prove that a politician doesn't really listen to their constituency!
I'm shocked I tell you, just shocked

 

[WHAMPOM]

You are the one defending them uncritically, though you do a piss poor job at it.

You are the one who fails to see, or maybe just fails to acknowledge, the problems with ACORN staring you right in the face. Why?

Sure there are lots of problems and issues everywhere, but you and your left leaning friends' attempts at equivalency are laughable. You are perfect patsies, exactly the kind of easy target O'Keefe et al identified and mocked. And I am not even defending his actions.

So you are only a little bit pregnant then? "not even defending his actions!" "SNORT!!"

 

[Lemon law]

If nothing else, a lawyer for one of the accused is kiting a defense that these men were just trying to embarrass the Senator by showing video of her staff not answering the phone.

Gets a little hard to swallow when they may also be involved with a denial of service attack that tied the phones up in the first place.

But here is the link and lets see how long cover story #1 lasts.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100129/ap_on_re_us/us_senator_s_office_arrests

 

[Patranus]

LOL

He claims that sources told him constituents couldn't get through to Landrieu's office. "In investigating this matter," he writes, "we decided to visit Senator Landrieu’s district office – the people’s office – to ask the staff if their phones were working."

On reflection, I could have used a different approach to this investigation, particularly given the sensitivities that people understandably have about security in a federal building. The sole intent of our investigation was to determine whether or not Senator Landrieu was purposely trying to avoid constituents who were calling to register their views to her as their Senator. We video taped the entire visit, the government has those tapes, and I’m eager for them to be released because they refute the false claims being repeated by much of the mainstream media.

It has been amazing to witness the journalistic malpractice committed by many of the organizations covering this story. MSNBC falsely claimed that I violated a non-existent “gag order.” The Associated Press incorrectly reported that I “broke in” to an office which is open to the public. The Washington Post has now had to print corrections in two stories on me. And these are just a few examples of inaccurate and false reporting. The public will judge whether reporters who can’t get their facts straight have the credibility to question my integrity as a journalist

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0110/OKeefe_decries_journalistic_malpractice.html

Good job MSNBC. I can see why your ratings are what they are....

 

[werepossum]

Gosh Werepossom, you just shot my theory in the foot, but not clean out of the water. Perhaps the phone repair ruse was used to accomplish something else? Wait a minute, hold the phone, this just in, seems the senator was accused of, blocking, erasing, or just not listening to the hundreds of calls complaining about her "sellout" vote on HC. They were going to make a few calls to her office while they were in it, to see what happens. THAT'S IT! are you kidding me! you wanted to prove that a politician doesn't really listen to their constituency!
I'm shocked I tell you, just shocked

LOL Perhaps they were testing the theory that Senators can't actually perceive little people unless they wave wads of cash?