LegendKiller
Lifer
- Mar 5, 2001
- 18,256
- 68
- 86
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Naustica
Sorry, I thought BAC deal was one of those death spiral convertible deals with adjusting conversion rates. I see the deal has discounted fixed conversion. That's bad but it's not the death sentence like adjusting conversion. I forget most of the names of the companies that did the death spiral converts but all were pretty much pink sheet tech companies. I think eToys, Iomega, and 3dfx did them.
Jim Cramer on toxic converts
More on death spiral converts.
What that poster posted is still true. It just has a cap on conversion price so the max % of shares BAC can ultimately control is 17%. Still that's massive number of shares and dilutes shareholder value.
Plenty of hedges are short CFC due to this so expect short squeeze here and there. But downward pressure will be unrelenting due to the massive shorts. I wouldn't want to be short or long this thing. Puts or call will be the only way I'm touching this thing.
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Layoffs don't always mean imminent doom. I see this as a restructuring, with emphasis away from the sub-prime market. As large as Countrywide is, 12,000 would not be an unreasonable number of jobs to eliminate, as their direction changes.
Some people will always get satisfaction at the possibility of someone, or some company failing. :roll:
I have never seen a company survive massive shorting.
If CW manages to survive I would extremely surprised.
What is the incentive to have the company survive?
They've lost all cash, gone 110% credit only.
Never? Here goes dave again, thinking he knows something about the capital markets.
Companies get shorted massively all of the time, yet you won't listen to that will you?
Amazingly, I sit in front of a bloomberg terminal all day and I see it, it's quite amusing to think you actually say this but know absolutely nothing at all.
Lots of companies have been where CFC is.