Americans... you all confuse me.

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waggy

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Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: illusion88

They didn't try to impeach him because of what he did with that woman. They impeached him because he lied under oath. The difference can be measured in miles....

yes, but why was he under oath? because he messed around with lewinsky. not commendable, but he shouldn't have been put in front of a grand jury to answer for his infidelity.

so what? he was in front of a jury UNDER OATH and he lied. thats bad enough. BUT as the Presidant it is even worse.

i don't care why he was put in front of a jury. just the fact he lied. hell i don't care he got a bj from some ugly fat cow.
 

daniel49

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Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
Originally posted by: spidey07
Hey!

Africa has lions, so they're cool.

Yeah, lions pwn.

Europe has me, so I make up for all the damn foolishness up in here. Kinda. Well, not the French obviously...

Detroit has lions also. but they suck.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: locutus12
Originally posted by: K1052


It is a poor comparison as the US is a fully developed, first world nation with a high standard of living. Last time I checked China had roughly 15% the GDP the US does and the US still grows at 3-5% a year.


they are currently at 20% of US GDP. and the USA hasn't grown at 5% for a very very very long time. analysts pin long term US growth under current fiscal policys as ranging between 1.9 and 3.2%

JD50, your signature quote made me giggle :D

For a 13 trillion dollar economy that's not too shabby.

 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: locutus12
i love the way some of you are calling me European... im British or English, not European, i haven't given up my currency, we are not ruled by Brussels. show a little respect. Also some of you have taken this all very very badly. Listen to me very closely, i hope i am wrong, totally wrong about china, i hope the USA remains on top, i have to say i hope it does a better job in future of leading the world in terms of global issues than it has done during its current administration, but all this aside i am not trying to bash the USA, i am trying to make sense of its current position and its policy of ignoring the coming change in terms of the emerging global economic powers. and i am trying to understand a political system that seems to survive by seeing who can throw the most crap at their opponent.

And not all "Americans" are U.S. citizens...
 

sixone

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Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: illusion88

They didn't try to impeach him because of what he did with that woman. They impeached him because he lied under oath. The difference can be measured in miles....

yes, but why was he under oath? because he messed around with lewinsky. not commendable, but he shouldn't have been put in front of a grand jury to answer for his infidelity.

His activities with Lewinsky were only relevant because they demonstrated a pattern. Remember Paula Jones?

By activities, I'm referring to his trying to cover his ass by lying and stonewalling, not his extracurricular activities.
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: locutus12
Originally posted by: sixone
Originally posted by: locutus12
he did, there are just some misinformed people around for some unknown reason. i havent botherd trying to argue that point to them as some of them seem to be kids posting on what i hoped would be a mature topic, pity it hasnt turned out that way :(

That's because you're starting off without enough real information to carry your end of the discussion.

well i wasnt intending to debate clinton, i was hoping to understand your politicle system and understand why in "some" ways the USA seems to be ignoring events in other parts of the world that will effect it in the long term, i.e. 20 to 40 years. so for me actually wanting america to do well in the future and recognise the coming changes and for me wanting to understand more about the frankly insane(to me) political system you all seem to have, im suddenly a basher of the USA, jealous, a European, and a whole bunch of other things combined.

my friend in Oklahoma said America is a place where you can talk about anything, disagree with anyone about everything, and still be there best friend for lunch. this thread is unfortunately proving him very wrong.

You haven't seen that Top Gear episode floating around on youtube have you? :laugh: There are a couple threads here on it. Watch that and you'll see just how tolerant people are in the deep south in this country.

Oh goodie, this lameass argument again. Intolerant jackasses are found all over this country, it is not exclusive to the Deep South.
 

slsmnaz

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Originally posted by: sixone
Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: illusion88

They didn't try to impeach him because of what he did with that woman. They impeached him because he lied under oath. The difference can be measured in miles....

yes, but why was he under oath? because he messed around with lewinsky. not commendable, but he shouldn't have been put in front of a grand jury to answer for his infidelity.

His activities with Lewinsky were only relevant because they demonstrated a pattern. Remember Paula Jones?

By activities, I'm referring to his trying to cover his ass by lying and stonewalling, not his extracurricular activities.

I take it you're not a big fan huh?
 

davestar

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Originally posted by: sixone
Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: illusion88

They didn't try to impeach him because of what he did with that woman. They impeached him because he lied under oath. The difference can be measured in miles....

yes, but why was he under oath? because he messed around with lewinsky. not commendable, but he shouldn't have been put in front of a grand jury to answer for his infidelity.

His activities with Lewinsky were only relevant because they demonstrated a pattern. Remember Paula Jones?

a pattern that has no relevance to his role as president. he should have never been on the stand.
 

ElFenix

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Europe has come a long way in changing the way people think about transportation while we seem to be stuck in this 50's mentality on the subject.
how? the A380? or worse, the A350? or do you mean that relic from the 1800s, the train?
 

K1052

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As to the OP, you grossly oversimplify (IMO) a number of issues and manage to sound condescending in the process (intended or not).

One American's views do not represent the views of the entire nation's people by a long shot. If I came over to England a pulled a random guy off the street and asked him for his views I'm not sure his would agree with yours. To generalize us all with such a limited sample is a little insulting, don't get upset if some of us nudge back a little.

I personally have a lot of friends who I disagree with politically (most of them in fact). That dosen't mean I don't like them as people.


 

MmmSkyscraper

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Originally posted by: daniel49
Detroit has lions also. but they suck.

If they got some real lions on the field, they'd probably do a lot better. I'd pay money to watch that.

 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: davestar

a pattern that has no relevance to his role as president. he should have never been on the stand.

why not? if i were sued for sexual harassment i'd certainly expect to have my deposition taken (which is where the perjury happened).
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
Originally posted by: daniel49
Detroit has lions also. but they suck.

If they got some real lions on the field, they'd probably do a lot better. I'd pay money to watch that.

we could pay real Detroit crakheads to run from the lions too for extra excitment
 

allisolm

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Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Maybe you should study up a little before your next post
such as where ? everything i have said is factual as far as China is concearned.[/quote]
''the Chinese, a communist country, will have successfully overtaken the USA in terms of economics, and with the massive workforce to back them up, it is doubtful anyone will be able to top them for a very long time."

The only possible fact I see is that China is communist and even that is debatable. All the rest is your supposition and opinion.

And P&N is that way. --->
 

waggy

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: sixone
Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: illusion88

They didn't try to impeach him because of what he did with that woman. They impeached him because he lied under oath. The difference can be measured in miles....

yes, but why was he under oath? because he messed around with lewinsky. not commendable, but he shouldn't have been put in front of a grand jury to answer for his infidelity.

His activities with Lewinsky were only relevant because they demonstrated a pattern. Remember Paula Jones?

a pattern that has no relevance to his role as president. he should have never been on the stand.

he was being sued for sexual harresment. so yes what he did with lewisnky was relevant. And yes he should have been on the stand.
 

MmmSkyscraper

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Originally posted by: K1052
we could pay real Detroit crakheads to run from the lions too for extra excitment

Yeah, they could do the halftime show or whatever. As long as people are screaming, I'm paying.

 

AnitaPeterson

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Why is it that Eurpoeans are always b!tching about Americans?

Jelousy. It's an ugly emotion.

Fart. Oh, yeah I'm soooo jealous I can't raise hell over Janet's nipple slip. Or have my savings and tax money poured down the drain with Enron and the Iraq war.... or having a leader whose every public outing is a reason for national embarrassment. Or having evolution and abortion pushed at the edge of social arena. Yeah, that's it. You are so right!

...you can now go back to sleep.

ITJunkie, on the other hand, makes some very valid points in his post. It's always better to look at what's not working and what's needed to change, than just sleep on laurels of past glory.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: waggy
wow im shocked so many did not know he was impeached. kinda figure with all the news there was on this it would be common knowledge.

Meh, I remember there were impeachment hearings but I also remember he served his 2 presidential terms fully.

Ok, I guess that you need to have it spelled out for you. Just because a President is impeached, does not mean that he is removed from office. Please do some research on what happens when a President is impeached so you stop making a fool of yourself.

Okay fvckface, I'll admit it. I was wrong. Now can we move on please? :roll:
 
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Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: sixone
Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: illusion88

They didn't try to impeach him because of what he did with that woman. They impeached him because he lied under oath. The difference can be measured in miles....

yes, but why was he under oath? because he messed around with lewinsky. not commendable, but he shouldn't have been put in front of a grand jury to answer for his infidelity.

His activities with Lewinsky were only relevant because they demonstrated a pattern. Remember Paula Jones?

a pattern that has no relevance to his role as president. he should have never been on the stand.

You conveniently quoted only part of his post....ommitting the part about his lying and stonewalling. :thumbsup: And, uh, ya, I tend to think outright lying and deception DOES affect his role as President.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: sixone
Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: illusion88

They didn't try to impeach him because of what he did with that woman. They impeached him because he lied under oath. The difference can be measured in miles....

yes, but why was he under oath? because he messed around with lewinsky. not commendable, but he shouldn't have been put in front of a grand jury to answer for his infidelity.

His activities with Lewinsky were only relevant because they demonstrated a pattern. Remember Paula Jones?

a pattern that has no relevance to his role as president. he should have never been on the stand.

You conveniently quoted only part of his post....ommitting the part about his lying and stonewalling. :thumbsup: And, uh, ya, I tend to think outright lying and deception DOES affect his role as President.

Show me a politician who doesn't lie and deceive...oh wait...there aren't any.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: sixone
Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: illusion88

They didn't try to impeach him because of what he did with that woman. They impeached him because he lied under oath. The difference can be measured in miles....

yes, but why was he under oath? because he messed around with lewinsky. not commendable, but he shouldn't have been put in front of a grand jury to answer for his infidelity.

His activities with Lewinsky were only relevant because they demonstrated a pattern. Remember Paula Jones?

a pattern that has no relevance to his role as president. he should have never been on the stand.

You conveniently quoted only part of his post....ommitting the part about his lying and stonewalling. :thumbsup: And, uh, ya, I tend to think outright lying and deception DOES affect his role as President.

Show me a politician who doesn't lie and deceive...oh wait...there aren't any.

shwo me another politician that has lied UNDER OATH (wich is the importatn part you seem to ignore).