JulesMaximus
No Lifer
- Jul 3, 2003
- 74,584
- 984
- 126
Hey, I'm not the one arguing about this. The only thing I've said about Bill Clinton in this thread is that I think he was a better president than GWB and some minor confusion about whether or not he was impeached.
Nice spelling by the way. :laugh:
We thank you for your efforts and your dedication, with your final WWII loan paymentexpected at the end of this year. However, it is our duty to remind you of your other loans that are in default. Please make an attempt to repay your WWI loans by the centennial mark, otherwise we will be left with no other choice but to refer you to our loss prevention department.
I agree and I am American. We are way too polarized in this country. Republican this Democrat that. Most don't look at the issues based on their ideas, it is "I am republican thus, I think X, Y and Z." This is truly ridiculous and it is no wonder we have such crap leadership when people are taking a backseat and arguing instead of electing smart officials to make good policy.
We have some amazingly brilliant people in this country, but they would never get the chance to lead with the current state of things. A pity.
We have some amazingly brilliant people in this country, but they would never get the chance to lead with the current state of things. A pity.
some interesting points here, after skipping over the nonsense.
wiki ftw..
a refresher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Lewinsky_scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
what i really wish we (USA) had compared to what you guys (Brits) have.. a working 3 party system, and multiple times a week (i think) where the prime minister (ie. president for us, about the same right?) sits on the floor with all 3 parties debating and talking to all parties. Bush is pretty shielded not only from the press, but from both parties here. I would kill to watch Bush sit on the floor of congress multiple times a month and have to talk and (gasp) debate with both parties.
wiki ftw..
a refresher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Lewinsky_scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
what i really wish we (USA) had compared to what you guys (Brits) have.. a working 3 party system, and multiple times a week (i think) where the prime minister (ie. president for us, about the same right?) sits on the floor with all 3 parties debating and talking to all parties. Bush is pretty shielded not only from the press, but from both parties here. I would kill to watch Bush sit on the floor of congress multiple times a month and have to talk and (gasp) debate with both parties.
EMPshockwave82
Diamond Member
- Jul 7, 2003
- 3,012
- 2
- 0
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: locutus12
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I thought he served both terms fully...
he did, there are just some misinformed people around for some unknown reason. i havent botherd trying to argue that point to them as some of them seem to be kids posting on what i hoped would be a mature topic, pity it hasnt turned out that way
Impeached by the House but not convicted by the Senate.
im·peach [im-peech] ?verb (used with object)
1. to accuse (a public official) before an appropriate tribunal of misconduct in office.
2. Chiefly Law. to challenge the credibility of: to impeach a witness.
3. to bring an accusation against.
4. to call in question; cast an imputation upon: to impeach a person's motives.
5. to call to account.
Impeached, yes. Convicted, no.
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: locutus12
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I thought he served both terms fully...
he did, there are just some misinformed people around for some unknown reason. i havent botherd trying to argue that point to them as some of them seem to be kids posting on what i hoped would be a mature topic, pity it hasnt turned out that way
Impeached by the House but not convicted by the Senate.
im·peach [im-peech] ?verb (used with object)
1. to accuse (a public official) before an appropriate tribunal of misconduct in office.
2. Chiefly Law. to challenge the credibility of: to impeach a witness.
3. to bring an accusation against.
4. to call in question; cast an imputation upon: to impeach a person's motives.
5. to call to account.
Impeached, yes. Convicted, no.
Isn't that what I said??
I would kill to see all members of Congress actually show up 5 days a week. That might get more done than debating the pres.
EMPshockwave82
Diamond Member
- Jul 7, 2003
- 3,012
- 2
- 0
You're point would be valid if it wasnt accepted around the country to refer to ourselves as "americans."
This personally makes me sick that we do this. We are United States Citizens, not Americans.
- Oct 9, 1999
- 46,873
- 10,668
- 147
Excellent, lucid, concise, and highly perceptive post, good sir! :thumbsup:
And . . . I am both saddened and amused by the angry monkey posturing of all the gibbering rah rah pinheads you have smoked out here.
Sigh.
So goes the republic.
EMPshockwave82
Diamond Member
- Jul 7, 2003
- 3,012
- 2
- 0
Agreed. There is a little too much freedom about what they can be doing during the days. Has anyone seen the empty rooms on c-span??? That is just rediculous that we have 20 people out of 100 listening to a speaker that has direct impact on votes and how the real bill / topic is worded.
Not even to mention your post about how the president MIGHT speak with one politician at a time. And that's not a debate usually.
But what do we know. We arent kept in the loop about how the President spends his days.
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Yeah what's up with having a Royal Family?? That's just messed up
According to this guy, they're actually giant lizards intent on conquering the world! :Q
I also agree with much of the original post and am not surprised by the knee jerk, defensive reactions of my fellow Americans who've been subjected to a lifetime of 'AMERICA IS THE GREATEST EVAR!' programming.
dr150
Diamond Member
- Sep 18, 2003
- 6,570
- 24
- 81
Time and again, this country has proven that it is BY FAR the world's greatest innovator of science and technology.
The US has the best universities in the world and the world's brightest fighting for entry.
As long as this continues, I don't see how 1 billion low wage laborers superceding the US in "power currency".
Yes, Bush has dwindled the good will of the world, but that will change with the next Democratic President.
mobobuff
Lifer
- Apr 5, 2004
- 11,099
- 1
- 81
Oooh it got moved into the pits of hell.
As I was saying before it was moved... sure he got some things wrong and is a bit misguided, but how many Americans know enough about British politics to formulate such an opinion? At least give him credit for his interest.
As I was saying before it was moved... sure he got some things wrong and is a bit misguided, but how many Americans know enough about British politics to formulate such an opinion? At least give him credit for his interest.
To the OP:
Yeah, your friend from Oklahoma needs to get an education. Clinton was a potential disaster, but not because of Monica. Rather, because of things like an ill-conceived (at the time) National health-care plan, plans to increase taxes and expand government spending for social programs, Americorp, the Escalante National wilderness area, failure to appropriately fund the military, and a failed foreign policy. Fortunately, a well-organized Republican-held congress kept him in check, forcing him to initiate welfare reform and balance the budget, ushering in an era of economic prosperity. In the end, Clinton had a successful presidency, but much of that success can be attributed to domination by one of the most powerful Congresses in US history.
In fact, the real reason knowledgeable Republicans hate Clinton is that, as President, he was able to take credit for an era of prosperity largely architected by the Republican-led congress. To be fair, Clinton did play an important balancing role, preventing Republicans from going to far (as has been demonstrated by our current administration).
As for China, yes they are rising quickly and we must be prepared for the place they will one day demand at the global table, but that day is still a long way off. Yes, their current growth numbers are incredible, but exponential growth is unsustainable and those numbers will decline, probably well before they overtake the US, but surely before they overtake the western world. We have a lot of work to do, so that when that day comes, we can welcome them to a comfortable spot at the table. Otherwise, the conflict that results could indeed be scary...
Yeah, your friend from Oklahoma needs to get an education. Clinton was a potential disaster, but not because of Monica. Rather, because of things like an ill-conceived (at the time) National health-care plan, plans to increase taxes and expand government spending for social programs, Americorp, the Escalante National wilderness area, failure to appropriately fund the military, and a failed foreign policy. Fortunately, a well-organized Republican-held congress kept him in check, forcing him to initiate welfare reform and balance the budget, ushering in an era of economic prosperity. In the end, Clinton had a successful presidency, but much of that success can be attributed to domination by one of the most powerful Congresses in US history.
In fact, the real reason knowledgeable Republicans hate Clinton is that, as President, he was able to take credit for an era of prosperity largely architected by the Republican-led congress. To be fair, Clinton did play an important balancing role, preventing Republicans from going to far (as has been demonstrated by our current administration).
As for China, yes they are rising quickly and we must be prepared for the place they will one day demand at the global table, but that day is still a long way off. Yes, their current growth numbers are incredible, but exponential growth is unsustainable and those numbers will decline, probably well before they overtake the US, but surely before they overtake the western world. We have a lot of work to do, so that when that day comes, we can welcome them to a comfortable spot at the table. Otherwise, the conflict that results could indeed be scary...
Originally posted by: feralkid
To the OP,
The post above is a full on pant load.
Best to ignore such revisionist rubbish.
Fine, why don't you give us a list of significant accomplishments by Mr. Clinton that were not a direct result of his having to compromise with a Republican-dominated congress?
politicians and party politics are the same for most of the world. England is no different, so no need to pretend otherwise.
oops, just noticed how old this thread is!
oops, just noticed how old this thread is!
Execellent thread locutus12, I hope you'd check our recent public opinion polls. They quite clearly show that the vast majority of Americans are unsatisfied with Bush and the current direction of this country.
First
Lifer
- Jun 3, 2002
- 10,518
- 271
- 136
I haven't seen that unofficial $160B Chinese budget listed anywhere on the net or elsewhere, and your official number of $60B is totally off. The highest unofficial estimate for China's military spending that I've seen is $90B, which is much more likely than the $160B figure you claim and certainly much higher than China's official military budget of $35.3B (2006).
Anyway, in pure numbers the 2007 DoD budget is set at $470B. That means China unofficially is outspent by the U.S. government by a factor of 13.3 in official numbers ($470B vs. $35.3B) or a factor of 3.1 if we assume China's defense spending really is as high as you say ($470B vs. $160B). More likely it's $470B vs. $90B, or a factor of 5.2. And this does not count the far higher U.S. intelligence spending (FBI, CIA, NSA, etc.) that is currently classified. Though, in 1998 the intelligence budget was $26.7B before the U.S. classified it and, no doubt, that $26.7B figure has at least doubled in 10 years, due to Bush administration policy as well as the impetus for rearmament as a result of 9/11. Which puts the total U.S. intel/defense budget at $496.7 (07 DoD budget + 98 intel budget), with it being more likely $520B+ adjusted for today's numbers.
Good lord.
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 23K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter