America First!

[IronWing]

grapefruit or cactus league?

He's a polyp on America's dong.

 

[MongGrel]

Why not be real about it? You don't have respect for any Patriots. Only subversive leftists.

It's obvious with you.

Oh! By the way, I've read Alinsky's rules, too.

But the thing is: I am a real American.

Yeah sure ya are. What should I ask you next, show me your DD214 ?

You sound like a bunch of noise even if you are a vet. You sure as hell do not sound like one.

 

[WelshBloke]

I certainly cannot provide absolute methods as that is not my job. I hear they call it "Extreme vetting"

Believe me, it can be done with a psychological test.

To an acceptable extent, anyways. Do you harbor opposition to weeding out terrorist immigrants to the United States?

[DarthTrump]Your blind faith in your superiors is commendable. [/DarthTrump]

 

[realibrad]

I certainly cannot provide absolute methods as that is not my job. I hear they call it "Extreme vetting"

Believe me, it can be done with a psychological test.

To an acceptable extent, anyways. Do you harbor opposition to weeding out terrorist immigrants to the United States?

What psychological test? You think the government did not look into Snowden and do psychological test on him? There is not a psychological test out there than can be completely accurate. That said, so far none of the countries that were banned have had immigrants come into the US that committed acts of terrorism.

So again, why spend even more resources on these specific countries when so far we have been safe from those that would want to commit terrorism from those countries?

The US as of right now would seem in far less danger from Islamic Terrorism vs Drug ODs. We had about 50,000 ODs last year. Why would we look into extreme vetting for something that has killed hundreds vs something that has killed 10's of thousands in a single year? It seems irrational to be so worried about Islamic terrorism when the total deaths from Islamic Terrorism is so few vs Drugs.

 

[MixMasterTang]

I have to agree there and I'm sure statistics would support that.


Now to be off on my own tangent: Importing people that wish to do US citizens harm and never want to assimilate into our society is a very bad idea that can only end up with them or us killed.

Or them jailed or executed for whatever crimes they commit after the fact. Either way it's closing the gate after the horse has left the barn.

Wow, such short sightedness. You think out of the billions of possibly logical outcomes there is only one? Not a single person could change their mind, not a single person could see that many Americans don't view them as a 2nd class citizen, not a single person who will gain empathy when they see American's accepting of Muslims?

 

[realibrad]

Let's be realistic here. Any immigrant from abroad needs to be vetted for not being a terrorist.

What country invites terrorists into their midst no questions asked?

None.

There you go.

Are you trying to say that our current vetting is equal to not vetting at all?

 

[mikeymikec]

"extreme vetting"

There's one born every minute.

 

[IronWing]

Let's be realistic here. Any immigrant from abroad needs to be vetted for not being a terrorist.

What country invites terrorists into their midst no questions asked?

None.

There you go.

This is correct. None. Trump is full of shit.

 

[mikeymikec]

It needs about 88% more.

I think Derek should be in charge of the extreme vetting.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Did they remake A Boy and his Dog?

Fallout

 

[IronWing]

It needs about 88% more. Yes I am.

Check a couple boxes and you're in? That's not right. Obama's vetting system is crap. What would you expect?

Tell us what you know about the current vetting system.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Oh so you're going to make the claim, yet not provide any stats for it. Beautiful.

Why should anyone take you seriously if that is the case?

It would lend much more credibility to your argument to provide facts supporting it.

Good advice that you might like to follow yourself.

 

[realibrad]

It needs about 88% more. Yes I am.

Check a couple boxes and you're in? That's not right. Obama's vetting system is crap. What would you expect?

So then you think the following is all a lie?

That seems like a lot more than a few checked boxes. Do you have reason to believe that this is fake?

 

[Victorian Gray]

awww that's so cute. this has to be bucky, right?

Same grasp of logical discussion.

 

[realibrad]

Same grasp of logical discussion.

Label person, dismiss everything said after that. If you want to circle jerk, it would seem faster and more efficient to PM him no?

 

[Victorian Gray]

you shut your whore mouth!

Curling is where it's at man, curling.

 

[agent00f]

That way of thinking is the exact same that Trump has FYI. You both believe you are right and that you need to shut people up because they will never accept reality. You want to exclude them from society until they agree with you. That only works in the short run if you start on the right side.

The flaw in your plan is that you have no feedback on if your views are still correct. The reason you MUST debate is to ensure that your views still hold up. The reason why there has been growth is not because your side did not shame enough people. Its growing because debate is seen as unneeded by both sides.

If you want change, debate is the only option... well unless you want to murder everyone. It is sad/ironic that people cannot see that.

It's simply a fact that "debating" with morons is an exercise in futility. They certainly didn't reach any conclusions in life through thinking/understanding so there's no reason to believe they'd start now.

 

[IronWing]

This:
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states

Right, now tell us what you know about the current screening process.

 

[WelshBloke]

Let's be realistic here. Any immigrant from abroad needs to be vetted for not being a terrorist.

What country invites terrorists into their midst no questions asked?

None.

There you go.

Why just immigrants? What about visitors? They could carry out attacks just as easily.
And why Muslim nations? Theres lots of home grown terrorists in non Muslim countries.

You'd better close the border completely!

 

[Victorian Gray]

Label person, dismiss everything said after that. If you want to circle jerk, it would seem faster and more efficient to PM him no?

Oh get real. Read his posts again and tell me that he's here as an honest participant.

 

[realibrad]

It's simply a fact that "debating" with morons is an exercise in futility. They certainly didn't reach any conclusions in life through thinking/understanding so there's no reason to believe they'd start now.

Because knowledge is not gained, its inherent!

 

[realibrad]

Oh get real. Read his posts again and tell me that he's here as an honest participant.

Oh, my bad. See, I read your post to also not be a honest participant, but to signal to everyone else. Please, help me understand the post of your previous post because I seemed to have missed the part where you were doing something productive.

 

[agent00f]

Because knowledge is not gained, its inherent!

Case in point of the dunning kruger type in question who thinks a very low skill level is so easily fixed.

 

[MongGrel]

Let's be realistic here. Any immigrant from abroad needs to be vetted for not being a terrorist.

What country invites terrorists into their midst no questions asked?

None.

There you go.

I'm just putting this guy back on ignore, someone else can make a gopher reference.

Too many of us have bothered to even bother responding to him to begin with.

 

[WelshBloke]

Why just immigrants? What about visitors? They could carry out attacks just as easily.
And why Muslim nations? Theres lots of home grown terrorists in non Muslim countries.

You'd better close the border completely!

Wait. Thinking about it you're statistically way more likely to get killed by an American citizen.
I reckon that your only chance is to seal yourself in a bunker!