AMD's response to the gtx670

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3DVagabond

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Jaydip said:
If 7870 comes down in price it should have some effect on 7850's pricing as well.
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I think the 7870 has needed to be $299 for a while now. At that price, and the 7850 staying at $250, they should split sales fairly evenly. It then leaves the 79oo's overpriced though. Especially the 7950.

Unfortunately for AMD they need to price against the 670. The 680 is in such small supply that the Fanbois will gobble them up almost regardless of price. The 670 is available though, and they've been stockpiling GK104 chips that can't meet 680 specs for quite some time now. They will likely have adequate supply for a while.
 
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SickBeast said:
Well, I refuse to get excited about AMD overclocking things for me.

I much prefer the 45% overclock I got on my 7850. :)
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We'll have to wait and se if these "GHz Editions" are merely O/C'd. If they are in fact a better performing chip (lower power/higher clocks) without a price increase, that's not all bad.
 
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That hd7950 is ridiculously overpriced. But the hd7970 diamond's core speed is exactly what I anticipate AMD's "new" reference hd7970's to be at. 1025mhz will pull it completely dead even with a gtx680 at 1080p and 1600p, while taking a small lead at multi-monitor resolutions. If and when non-locked gtx680's come out, then that will justify the $500 gtx680 price tag. Until then, though, anyone looking to upgrade at the $375-500 price range would be stupid to buy anything but a gtx670.
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Again with the absolute statements. Myself and others have offered reasons why the 7900 series cards might be a compelling choice but I guess some people gloss over those reasons because it would mean Nvidia wasn't that utterly dominating force they want them to be.
 
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First of all, they can't do 2gb with a 384-bit bus. It's gotta be either 1.5gb or 3gb. Second, my brain was shut off when I started this thread. I entirely forgot they are going to re-release the hd7970 (and probably hd7950) with higher speeds. I don't think it will be at 1100mhz, but it will definitely be at least 1000mhz.
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You definitely can do 2gb with a 384 bus, its just not common. AMD apparently isn't because they lack business sense.
 
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blackened23 said:
You definitely can do 2gb with a 384 bus, its just not common. AMD apparently isn't because they lack business sense.
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it does not work well to have mixed memory amounts. Nvidia mainly did for marketing reasons on the gtx550ti and one version of the gtx560 that was really a 192bit gf104. it would be silly to try and use 2gb on the 384bit 7970.
 
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tviceman said:
That hd7950 is ridiculously overpriced. But the hd7970 diamond's core speed is exactly what I anticipate AMD's "new" reference hd7970's to be at. 1025mhz will pull it completely dead even with a gtx680 at 1080p and 1600p, while taking a small lead at multi-monitor resolutions. If and when non-locked gtx680's come out, then that will justify the $500 gtx680 price tag. Until then, though, anyone looking to upgrade at the $375-500 price range would be stupid to buy anything but a gtx670.
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The HD 7970 is improving with higher resolutions and multi-monitor resolutions, may be the strength of this sku while it matures. With nice OC potential and the added ram, wouldn't call potential HD 7970 owners stupid.
 
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Yeah this is getting ridiculous around here. With some of the comments like that.

The fact that 7970s can be had for $50 more than a 670 is also pretty nice. The Gigabyte Windforce 7950 is the same price as a 670 yet it will oc to 1Ghz+ and says cool & quiet.
 
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blackened23 said:
You definitely can do 2gb with a 384 bus, its just not common. AMD apparently isn't because they lack business sense.
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It will come with inherent performance disadvantages from using a mixed-memory configuration. Search techreport's gtx550ti frame latency overview and that will explain it all.
 
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Dark Shroud said:
Yeah this is getting ridiculous around here. With some of the comments like that.

The fact that 7970s can be had for $50 more than a 670 is also pretty nice. The Gigabyte Windforce 7950 is the same price as a 670 yet it will oc to 1Ghz+ and says cool & quiet.
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SirPauly said:
The HD 7970 is improving with higher resolutions and multi-monitor resolutions, may be the strength of this sku while it matures. With nice OC potential and the added ram, wouldn't call potential HD 7970 owners stupid.
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Elfear said:
Again with the absolute statements. Myself and others have offered reasons why the 7900 series cards might be a compelling choice but I guess some people gloss over those reasons because it would mean Nvidia wasn't that utterly dominating force they want them to be.
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Sorry, you guys are right. That was a really bad choice of words on my part. I should have said the gtx670's $400 price tag makes it the best bang for the buck in the price range I stated. The hd7970 does have great overclocking and does get great performance with mutli-monitor setups.
 
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aaksheytalwar said:
7970 is a better card, but if you can't spare another $50 then 670 is terribly close.
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Stop desperately defending your hardware, it makes you look pathetic. A 7970 certainly isn't better than a 670 that's at least as fast, sometimes faster. Especially for those who prefer games with Phsyx and/or 3D.
 
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aaksheytalwar said:
Lol, compare with a 7970 with 1200 core. Even a 680 can't cope up
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Yes and Bulldozer is also nice at 6Ghz vs a stock SB/IB.

And 1200Mhz? You cant even reach that yourself can you? And at what wattage? 375W?
 
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aaksheytalwar said:
Lol, compare with a 7970 with 1200 core. Even a 680 can't cope up
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An OC 680 will "cope up" and beat an OC 7970 overall, this has been shown countless times all ready. Especially in games where the 7970 already suffers a massive deficit against the 680 (and 670), like Battlefield 3.

Oh, and a stock reference 670 will slaughter an OC 7970 in 3D performance. AMD HD3D and Tridef have way too much overhead compared to 3D Vision, it's not even funny. Of course I don't expect Indians to know much about 3D, especially after that half-assed 3D attempt with Ra-One.

Please, go ahead and defend your hardware some more. :)
 
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I have posted an analysis of one of the only reviews online where both cards are above 1200mhz, 680 was 1340 MHz and 7970 was around 1250 MHz. It is an article by overclock3d and I posted the analysis here. Despite being clocked 100mhz less the 7970 was 5% faster asan index at 1080p 8x aa
 
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aaksheytalwar said:
I have posted an analysis of one of the only reviews online where both cards are above 1200mhz, 680 was 1340 MHz and 7970 was around 1250 MHz. It is an article by overclock3d and I posted the analysis here. Despite being clocked 100mhz less the 7970 was 5% faster asan index at 1080p 8x aa
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So now value is determined by a wishful OC? ;)

I do hope you see the epic flaw.
 
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aaksheytalwar said:
I have posted an analysis of one of the only reviews online where both cards are above 1200mhz, 680 was 1340 MHz and 7970 was around 1250 MHz. It is an article by overclock3d and I posted the analysis here. Despite being clocked 100mhz less the 7970 was 5% faster asan index at 1080p 8x aa
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Your defense is getting a little wobbly there akshay.
 
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aaksheytalwar said:
Yes, I see your flaw. If each crd or 95% cards reach that level nearly out of the box, then that is the performance we need to review it at
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Honestly, unless AMD/nVidia and AIBs sells it as stock clocks. Then you should rethink what you write. Because right now you are only making an idiot out of yourself.

People dont buy cards or base their performance on random overclocks. Not to mention golden samples.
 
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