alkemyst
No Lifer
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Exactly, and everyone thinks this is a new deal, top secret, scientifically approved!
Before modern medicine and Atkin's adjustment that carbs can be included (and people including to many of them)....people died on these diets, even at the turn of the century this diet was well known.
wE hAvE cOmE a lOnG wAy bAbIeeeeeeee!
Anyone who thinks that Atkins' invented the low-carb diet hasn't read his books.
He just put the information together in an easy to read manner and made the information moe accessible.
Imo, he's done many people a great service.
I was quick to jump on the anti-Atkins bandwagon for many of the reasons listed in this thread. I thought it was unnatural to give up bread based products because (1) the US Government, with thousands of registered dieticians, has a standard food pyramid which recommends many servings of carbs in the form of fibery food (2) my human nutrition professor was a huge anti-atkins zealot and would just say the only way to healthily lose weight was to reduce calories and exercise and everything else is crap
Sooo, I developed a strong (and blind) disliking for Atkins simply because I hadn't done my own research. Once I picked up the book and starting reading it, it really dispells many myths about human nutrition and helped me start to look at it in a different light.
I've tried Atkins a couple of times now and I can usually only last about 4 to 5 days before a social event comes up and I am pressured to eat a bunch of carbs. It happens every single time and I promise myself I won't let anyone talk me into carbs, but they do. I need more self control and I'd like an exercise bike for Christmas so I can wake up in the mornings and exercise and start Atkins again.
Sooo, I developed a strong (and blind) disliking for Atkins simply because I hadn't done my own research. Once I picked up the book and starting reading it, it really dispells many myths about human nutrition and helped me start to look at it in a different light.
I've tried Atkins a couple of times now and I can usually only last about 4 to 5 days before a social event comes up and I am pressured to eat a bunch of carbs. It happens every single time and I promise myself I won't let anyone talk me into carbs, but they do. I need more self control and I'd like an exercise bike for Christmas so I can wake up in the mornings and exercise and start Atkins again.
I've lost 50 lbs but I didn't do it with the Atkins Diet.
I am five-foot nine and I was getting near 200lbs. I was getting tired of buying bigger shirts and wider pants and I didn't feel happy about myself. Instead of going on any diets I just changed my lifestyle. I stopped eating bad foods, started exercising again. It was quite hard at first but after awhile I started feeling good about myself. I didn't want to do any diets where I would one day go back to eating crap food and put back on the weight, I wanted to make a real change and I have.
I have a friend who goes off and on of Atkins and lots of other diet plans. With her it's always something else. She loses some weight quickly and then just as quickly puts it right back on. If Atkins works for some people then great. I would question the long term effects. Personally, I'd rather make a lifestyle change then use a diet plan that I'll someday go off of. The biggest change you can make is to just get regular exercise.
If you are trying to lose weight then good luck to you. Just make sure you stay healthy as well.
Cheers!:beer:
I am five-foot nine and I was getting near 200lbs. I was getting tired of buying bigger shirts and wider pants and I didn't feel happy about myself. Instead of going on any diets I just changed my lifestyle. I stopped eating bad foods, started exercising again. It was quite hard at first but after awhile I started feeling good about myself. I didn't want to do any diets where I would one day go back to eating crap food and put back on the weight, I wanted to make a real change and I have.
I have a friend who goes off and on of Atkins and lots of other diet plans. With her it's always something else. She loses some weight quickly and then just as quickly puts it right back on. If Atkins works for some people then great. I would question the long term effects. Personally, I'd rather make a lifestyle change then use a diet plan that I'll someday go off of. The biggest change you can make is to just get regular exercise.
If you are trying to lose weight then good luck to you. Just make sure you stay healthy as well.
Cheers!:beer:
apoppin
Lifer
Your mind is shut. I DID explain - by quoting two MEDICAL sources - that the Atkins diet may be harmful in the long-term.Originally posted by: Wingznut
That pretty much sums it up, X-Man. We do that... We show excellent results... And yet we still get criticized for no particular good reason.
Funny how some people will hammer you for your very impressive accomplishment, but they don't seem to say negative things about all the junk foods that people talk about eating on this msg board.
But since none of the naysayers are able to explain why they have such a problem with people doing the Atkins plan, I guess we'll never understand.
You're right - you'll never understand.
Triumph
Lifer
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As the thread goes along, you continue to show your lack of knowledge about Atkins. Atkins is not a no-carb plan! At no point in any of the phases of Atkins does he recommend 0 carbohydrates! Riprorin is following exactly what's recommended in Dr. Atkins book, so explain to me how he isn't doing Atkins?
That right there shows that you do not fully grasp the concept of the Atkins plan... Never, ever is it a "no-carb" solution.
I went over the plan with my Dr, as well... She had no problem at all with it, and commended me on my success.
(But I suppose you are just going to label every Dr that supports the plan incompetant.
alkemyst
No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Wingznut
That right there shows that you do not fully grasp the concept of the Atkins plan... Never, ever is it a "no-carb" solution.
I went over the plan with my Dr, as well... She had no problem at all with it, and commended me on my success.
(But I suppose you are just going to label every Dr that supports the plan incompetant.)
No I am referring to the 0 carb plan....they have well covered their tracks on that one. I am sure non-online sources would show those studies Dr. Atkins had planned. Perhaps the original sources I had were flawed in that Atkins never advocated 0 carbs forever.
REGARDLESS the low carb diet = weight loss has been around forever. Atkins just marketed it.
You do know he only recently just died and now they are really marketing his diet. That sort of sux.
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So, is that the real truth... That you hate it because it's popular and being marketed?
Is that why all the naysayers hate it? Simply because of it's popularity?
apoppin
Lifer
Try - more accurately - YOU'RE going to label anyone who disagrees with your sacred Atkin's plan as incompetant.Originally posted by: Wingznut
That right there shows that you do not fully grasp the concept of the Atkins plan... Never, ever is it a "no-carb" solution.
I went over the plan with my Dr, as well... She had no problem at all with it, and commended me on my success.
(But I suppose you are just going to label every Dr that supports the plan incompetant.)
And now there are plenty of MDs who DO understand Atkins who DISagree with it on negative health-consequences for long term (ab)use.
Just 'cause it appears to be working for you in the short-term - does NOT mean you won't suffer serious consequences in a few years.
Of course, it DOES appear better than the "garbage diet" plan, most of the people here appear to be "on".
Ok, let's check your sources... One of them is a group that recommends nothing but a "strict vegetarian diet." I'd hardly call them an unbiased source.Originally posted by: apoppin
Your mind is shut. I DID explain - by quoting two MEDICAL sources - that the Atkins diet may be harmful in the long-term.Originally posted by: Wingznut
That pretty much sums it up, X-Man. We do that... We show excellent results... And yet we still get criticized for no particular good reason.
Funny how some people will hammer you for your very impressive accomplishment, but they don't seem to say negative things about all the junk foods that people talk about eating on this msg board.
But since none of the naysayers are able to explain why they have such a problem with people doing the Atkins plan, I guess we'll never understand.
You're right - you'll never understand.
Another one says that if you have a pre-existing kidney disease that you shouldn't do Atkins. While I couldn't agree more, that doesn't make it unhealthy for those of us with no kidney issues.
Another one says that a patient's cholesterol rose from 148 to 230. Considering my cholesterol numbers have greatly improved since I started Atkins, that doesn't concern me. By the way, I'm not in the minority... The vast majority of people show an improvement in their cholesterol when doing the Atkins plan.
So yes... I read your "sources."
Why? Strict vegetarian diet is essentially what humans should be on.
Teeth not made to chew meat, too short of an intestinal tract, and soft colon tissue not made for meat digestion.
apoppin
Lifer
Let's check yours.Originally posted by: Wingznut
Ok, let's check your sources... One of them is a group that recommends nothing but a "strict vegetarian diet." I'd hardly call them an unbiased source.Originally posted by: apoppin
Your mind is shut. I DID explain - by quoting two MEDICAL sources - that the Atkins diet may be harmful in the long-term.Originally posted by: Wingznut
That pretty much sums it up, X-Man. We do that... We show excellent results... And yet we still get criticized for no particular good reason.
Funny how some people will hammer you for your very impressive accomplishment, but they don't seem to say negative things about all the junk foods that people talk about eating on this msg board.
But since none of the naysayers are able to explain why they have such a problem with people doing the Atkins plan, I guess we'll never understand.
You're right - you'll never understand.
Another one says that if you have a pre-existing kidney disease that you shouldn't do Atkins. While I couldn't agree more, that doesn't make it unhealthy for those of us with no kidney issues.
Another one says that a patient's cholesterol rose from 148 to 230. Considering my cholesterol numbers have greatly improved since I started Atkins, that doesn't concern me. By the way, I'm not in the minority... The vast majority of people show an improvement in their cholesterol when doing the Atkins plan.
So yes... I read your "sources."
Oh, wait - there aren't any.
I am posting a warning to people who might be tempted by you 'gung-ho' Atkiners. LONG-term consequences have not been not studied properly yet. YOU are the "guinea pigs" that science will make the final determination of the "worth" of atkins.
MOST people have such a garbage "diet" to begin with, that the "Watermelon diet" would be an improvement.
Good luck . . . I'm off to work.
BTW, FWIW - I lost about 40 lbs (since May) on the more traditional plan - (no sugar/processed or fried foods/limited meat) diet and (lots and lots of regular) EXERCISE. In fact (at age 51) I now have the oppposite "problem". My metabolism has kicked into such high gear that I now have to eat MORE than ever to keep my weight at what I consider "ideal" (5'9"/133 lbs). In fact, my food bill is up about 25%.
EDIT: I think y ou read only one of "my" sources. Don't forget the mineral defficiencies associated with atkins as well as tts overemphasis on eating too much (fiberless) meat . . .
I'm not sure what the heck you are talking about. X-Man has made great strides in becoming more healthy. Yet you are the one who has to jump in with the mob and start bashing him about it.
Are you joking? You are really saying that humans weren't designed to be carnivores?
Btw, I look at my teeth and I see these four very pointy ones. Do you think those were designed that way to chew plants?
What EXACTLY is "garbage" about what I am doing? Let me give you very accurate examples of my meals before and after I started Atkins...Originally posted by: apoppin
Of course, it DOES appear better than the "garbage diet" plan, most of the people here appear to be "on".
Breakfast
Before - Normally, I'd have a bowl of sweetened cereal.
After - Usually I have 3 eggs w/1.5 slices of bacon or 1.5 sausage links.
Lunch
Before - A typical lunch would consist of going out. Not always fast food, but definitely always high in fat, calories, and carbs.
After - Salads usually fill my lunch menu. Very often I'll add tuna or a breast of chicken to it.
Dinner
Before - Usually consisted of some sort of meat, and 90% of the time consisted of some sort of white (many times processed) starchy food such as rice, potato, or noodles, and a vegetable.
After - I haven't cut out the vegetable or the meat, but I have cut out the pasta.
Drinks
Before - To see me without a Coke or some sort of coffee drink in my hand was a rarity.
After - Water, tea, and the occasional diet soda is all I drink now. 90% of the time, it's water.
I have cut out almost everything that isn't natural. (Artificial sweetener in diet soda is the lone exception.) No trans fats, no processed foods, no fast food, etc.
Please explain to me what is so "garbage" about that, compared to what 90% of the rest of the people are eating.
I am significantly healthier than before.
- I have lost 41 lbs.
- I can run farther, lift more, and exercise longer than ever in my life.
- I recently had a physical, and not a single issue was found. "Excellent health" was the exact term my Dr. used.
- My cholesterol numbers are greatly improved.
Look, I couldn't be happier that you have lost weight and become healthier. You chose a different path than I or X-Man. Why is it unacceptable to you that I don't choose the exact same path to reach the same goal?
apoppin
Lifer
I'm glad you're not talking to me.
There is an "atkins mob" here who is intent on defending their diet as though it were sacred scripture. Like you - they IGNORE the possible long term negative consequences and pooh-pooh any evidence that disagrees with it.
Good LUCK . . . I hope it works well for you and X-man . . . but I would still warn others that there are better traditional ALTERNATIVES to atkins that work - (albeit) much harder to stick with since it involves REGULAR EXERCISE as well as cutting out the junk.
It's pretty obvious that cutting out sugar and grease will be beneficial. However, it's what you REPLACE them with that is is dispute. I say Atkins is UNsound: All carbs are NOT equal and IMO (and the opinion of nutritionists) are quite important in out long-term health.
You pays your money and you takes your chances.
That is all.
apoppin
Lifer
I am taking about the garbage you WERE eating BEFORE you got into atkinsOriginally posted by: Wingznut
What EXACTLY is "garbage" about what I am doing? Let me give you very accurate examples of my meals before and after I started Atkins...Originally posted by: apoppin
Of course, it DOES appear better than the "garbage diet" plan, most of the people here appear to be "on".
Breakfast
Before - Normally, I'd have a bowl of sweetened cereal.
After - Usually I have 3 eggs w/1.5 slices of bacon or 1.5 sausage links.
Lunch
Before - A typical lunch would consist of going out. Not always fast food, but definitely always high in fat, calories, and carbs.
After - Salads usually fill my lunch menu. Very often I'll add tuna or a breast of chicken to it.
Dinner
Before - Usually consisted of some sort of meat, and 90% of the time consisted of some sort of white (many times processed) starchy food such as rice, potato, or noodles, and a vegetable.
After - I haven't cut out the vegetable or the meat, but I have cut out the pasta.
Drinks
Before - To see me without a Coke or some sort of coffee drink in my hand was a rarity.
After - Water, tea, and the occasional diet soda is all I drink now. 90% of the time, it's water.
I have cut out almost everything that isn't natural. (Artificial sweetener in diet soda is the lone exception.) No trans fats, no processed foods, no fast food, etc.
Please explain to me what is so "garbage" about that, compared to what 90% of the rest of the people are eating.
I am significantly healthier than before.
- I have lost 41 lbs.
- I can run farther, lift more, and exercise longer than ever in my life.
- I recently had a physical, and not a single issue was found. "Excellent health" was the exact term my Dr. used.
- My cholesterol numbers are greatly improved.
Look, I couldn't be happier that you have lost weight and become healthier. You chose a different path than I or X-Man. Why is it unacceptable to you that I don't choose the exact same path to reach the same goal?
:Looking at your current diet, I'd say TOO MUCH animal-source PROTEIN. (IMO)
Nothing YOU are doing is UNacceptable to me . . . it's your body.
It is unacceptable to me that you are touting atkins to others as the "be all- end all" of diets.I am happy for you that you are having success. HOWEVER, I am disagreeing with atkins' LONG-TERM effects.
Carbs are not equal. There is a huge (nuitritional) difference between a slice of "wonder bread" and sprouted whole-grain bread; as between "white" rice and unpolished rice.
First off, why would you think the Atkins plan does not call for REGULAR EXERCISE??? This is a common arguemen with the naysayers... And it is very untrue. Chapter 22 is not entitled Exercise - It's non-negotiable for no reason. Why people think that Atkins is not hard work, is beyond me. Losing this weight and becoming healthier is one of my more proud accomplishments. It's a very difficult thing to do, no matter what path you take.
Everything in life is a balance of risk vs benefits. EVERYTHING.
Are there long term risks with any diet plan... Of course there is. Whether you choose Atkins, vegetarian, the food pyramid, etc.
There are risks in eating trans fats (partially hydrogenated oils), artificial sweeteners, high sugars, etc. As well as risks associated with not getting enough nutrients.
Going by all of the research I've done, my results, and how I feel... I don't believe there is much of a risk (if any, at all) for me. The fact of the matter is that I am exponentially healthier now than I was at the beginning of the year.
I've never stated that Atkins is for everyone. Most of the time, there are many different ways to acheive goals... And weight loss is no exception to that.
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