All you need to know about Atkins . . . UPDATED 12-3

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Isn't the atkins diet really just a sugar (or glucose) controlling diet; it helps you regualte the amount of sugar your body intakes for use as energy? How is controlling how much sugar you eat unhealthy?

Ding-ding-ding, we have a winner. The biggest change in my diet is the absence of pizza, beer, Starbucks cappucinos, and Vanilla Coke. How exactly is that unnatural? Oh wait, CR works for Starbucks, maybe he's just worried about the sudden huge decline of sales at the Flagstaff store.

Originally posted by: SammySon
It works for the short term, but not for the long
End of thread.

Stay on atkins and check out your colon in 10 years.

Got any links to back that up, or just FUD?

ah yes, the end-all-be-all of a discussion.....LINKS! how about you just take his word for it, cool guy. it has been documented that royalty through the middle ages (whose diets consisted of predominantly meat) developed colon cancer. of course it wasn't known at the time, but studies have confirmed it. hard stools are abrasive against the delicate epithelial tissue of your colon and can kill cells. your body then enduces cell growth to replace the cells killed. if certain cells in your body continuously divide, it considerably increases the risk of inducing a mutation, and thus cancer. adding fiber and cellulose to your diet eliminates this risk.

btw, those "side effects" that you experienced typically accompany weight-loss. nothing special about the atkins diet.


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[Lvis]

It's not like this is anything new. Low carb diets were popular in the sixties and early seventies. They seemed to work better than the more "modern" diets. Over weight football players were put on steak and egg diets to lose weight all the time.


I've done the atkins thing, and lost what I wanted. If you do some research into it, you will find it isn't as disgusting as people would have you think.

Congrats on your loss, X-man

 

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Originally posted by: SammySon
It works for the short term, but not for the long
End of thread.

Stay on atkins and check out your colon in 10 years.


Got any links to back that up, or just FUD?

Hrm.. let' see, no. The atkin's diet hasn't been around long enough to support 5 years of empirical data, let alone 10.
As I've said, atkins is good for the short term, bad for the short.

This is something that has tested the trials of time in many walks of life.
The fast. Hell, modern juice fasting has been around 4 times as long as the atkin's diet.
It will be around many centuries after atkin's as well.

Edit: Give this a read too.

 

[Dacalo]

Good to hear it worked well for you X-Man!

But as personal preference, I just eat what I enjoy and regularly exercise.
I don't think I can live without some of foods that are discouraged.

 

[XMan]

Of course if I had sued McDonald's for making me fat, you guys would be blasting me. So I get on a diet and lose weight and get blasted too. I love the way this works.

The reaction these threads always get just blow me away. When I get my cholesterol tests back I'll be sure to post the before and after.

 

[Wingznut]

Congrats, X-Man!!!

Don't listen to what some of these guys say. I don't really understand why there are people who are so quick to knock other people's success.... Well, that's not true. I do understand it. I'm just not going to get into it here.

It's funny how people will proclaim someone who has lost a significant amount of weight, while improving EVERY factor of his bloodwork... Yet, they don't seem to hammer on people who talk about how they just had McDonald's for lunch or drink a six pack of beer a night. I guess eating crap is perfectly acceptable, but improving your lifestyle significantly is not.

I would love to hear why (specifically) CorporateRecreation thinks that a low carb diet is "one of the most unhealthy life choices that you can do to yourself."

(Oh btw, when people made bread since "the dawn of time", it wasn't refined white flours. The "bread" of today is very different than "the dawn of time".)

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: X-Man
Of course if I had sued McDonald's for making me fat, you guys would be blasting me. So I get on a diet and lose weight and get blasted too. I love the way this works.

The reaction these threads always get just blow me away. When I get my cholesterol tests back I'll be sure to post the before and after.

It is a known fact that losing weight period, can and will lower cholesterol. The fact that you can only be successful on this diet and not any other just further proves how little you must know about nutrition. You don't have to feel hungry, and you can still eat breads (whole wheat). Eat more fiber, whole grains (whole food in general) and don't bother cutting out fruits that have added health benefits.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: X-Man
Of course if I had sued McDonald's for making me fat, you guys would be blasting me. So I get on a diet and lose weight and get blasted too. I love the way this works.

The reaction these threads always get just blow me away. When I get my cholesterol tests back I'll be sure to post the before and after.

I posted my before and (much improved) after results... It didn't matter.

The fact of the matter is that many people around here are rather immature and like to knock people who enjoy success, no matter what the context is. Just look at many of the threads in OT... Many carry the same theme.

I have yet to run into a single person in my real life who has knocked what I've accomplished using the Atkins method.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: X-Man
Of course if I had sued McDonald's for making me fat, you guys would be blasting me. So I get on a diet and lose weight and get blasted too. I love the way this works.

The reaction these threads always get just blow me away. When I get my cholesterol tests back I'll be sure to post the before and after.

It is a known fact that losing weight period, can and will lower cholesterol. The fact that you can only be successful on this diet and not any other just further proves how little you must know about nutrition. You don't have to feel hungry, and you can still eat breads (whole wheat). Eat more fiber, whole grains (whole food in general) and don't bother cutting out fruits that have added health benefits.

Or he can do it the way he did. What is so bad about the way he (and I) did it?

And more importantly, why does it even matter to you??? Why can't you guys just congratulate him on his incredible accomplishment?

(Yes, I realize that we've gone round and round about this EXACT question before... I've just never received a decent answer.)

 

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Originally posted by: X-Man
Of course if I had sued McDonald's for making me fat, you guys would be blasting me. So I get on a diet and lose weight and get blasted too. I love the way this works.

The reaction these threads always get just blow me away. When I get my cholesterol tests back I'll be sure to post the before and after.
I posted my before and (much improved) after results... It didn't matter.

The fact of the matter is that many people around here are rather immature and like to knock people who enjoy success, no matter what the context is. Just look at many of the threads in OT... Many carry the same theme.

I have yet to run into a single person in my real life who has knocked what I've accomplished using the Atkins method.

I'm personally not blasting him at all. In fact, I hope it helps him get to his target weight so then a normal health lifestyle can take over from there.
I know quite a few people who use the Atkin's diet off and on.
It works great for them and for what they need. I'm sure it does the same for x-man, and he has every right to it.

Though, the people I know do not subscribe to the fallacy that the atkin's diet is a permanent solution. I'm not assuming X-man is either, but It could be implied from this post, and previous.
Once atkin's get's you to where you want to be, you should then set into a normal balanced diet, with exercise.

Not to be condescending, or rude or anything but, if the atkin's users would have maintained a healthy diet and exercised the whole way through they would not have to rely on a new fad quick fixing diet to bring them back to normal.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: X-Man
Of course if I had sued McDonald's for making me fat, you guys would be blasting me. So I get on a diet and lose weight and get blasted too. I love the way this works.

The reaction these threads always get just blow me away. When I get my cholesterol tests back I'll be sure to post the before and after.

It is a known fact that losing weight period, can and will lower cholesterol. The fact that you can only be successful on this diet and not any other just further proves how little you must know about nutrition. You don't have to feel hungry, and you can still eat breads (whole wheat). Eat more fiber, whole grains (whole food in general) and don't bother cutting out fruits that have added health benefits.

Or he can do it the way he did. What is so bad about the way he (and I) did it?

And more importantly, why does it even matter to you??? Why can't you guys just congratulate him on his incredible accomplishment?

(Yes, I realize that we've gone round and round about this EXACT question before... I've just never received a decent answer.)

Awww Wingznut. I :heart: you.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
Awww Wingznut. I :heart: you.

Right back at you, buddy! :beer:

 

[Noirish]

I guess the only drawback is that you have to stay on Atkin forever in order to keep your weight down.
Once you stop, you blow back up like a baloon.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Excelsior
Awww Wingznut. I :heart: you.

Right back at you, buddy! :beer:

And yet another time I have managed to get around your question. I doubt you will ever get a good answer. I dunno..I guess the reason me and other people are "knocking" him is that we don't full believe in Atkins has a way of life. I am happy he lost the weight, don't get me wrong, that's great, but if he had come in and said " I lost 76lbs by running 1 mile every day and cutting out sweets, etc from my diet" then he would've gotten a much better reaction. That's all.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: SammySon
Not to be condescending, or rude or anything but, if the atkin's users would have maintained a healthy diet and exercised the whole way through they would not have to rely on a new fad quick fixing diet to bring them back to normal.

You are right. I had some nasty eating and inactivity habits. I understand and accept that I can never go back to my old ways, or else I will gain all 41+ lbs right back.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: orangel
I guess the only drawback is that you have to stay on Atkin forever in order to keep your weight down.
Once you stop, you blow back up like a baloon.

How is that different than any other change in eating habits?

No matter what approach you take to losing weight, if you cease your better habits and go back to your old ways... You'll gain every ounce back... And fast!

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Don't eat bread... a food product that humans have been eating.......... since the dawn of time.

<scratches head>

Hunter-gathering cavemen ate bread?

Let me get this straight.. you are arguing with me that bread isn't a centuries old food that has miles of supporting evidence that it was baked by early man to defend your fad diet that might work but is one of the most unhealthy life choices that you can do to yourself. Cut out fruits, veggies, and bread in place of................a huge hunk of charred flesh. Dieting should be a life change, not a fad diet that millions of people blindly follow because it yields results. I can cut my arm off to solve the fact that it has cancer on it, but it doesn't make sense does it. If you want to be healthy, diet, exercise, and eat natural foods.


Edit: I am happy for your accomplishments, it's great that you're on your way, but you really should consider doing something else with your diet, because it's honestly not healthy to cut out those foods in place of fatty foods. I am also not really wanting to get into a giant Atkins debate, because it's a tired old argument that has no winners.

Is there an ignore feature?

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Excelsior
Awww Wingznut. I :heart: you.

Right back at you, buddy! :beer:

And yet another time I have managed to get around your question. I doubt you will ever get a good answer. I dunno..I guess the reason me and other people are "knocking" him is that we don't full believe in Atkins has a way of life. I am happy he lost the weight, don't get me wrong, that's great, but if he had come in and said " I lost 76lbs by running 1 mile every day and cutting out sweets, etc from my diet" then he would've gotten a much better reaction. That's all.

Don't think I didn't notice your aversion tactic.

As for the rest... That's my point. There some misconception that causes people to dislike the low carb method, and I don't really understand it. One might think that it's because it's a little different than the crap that is the "Food Pyramid". But I would think that most people around here are open to different ideas.

Or am I wrong, and everyone is just a bunch of sheep? (Baaaaaa!)

 

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Originally posted by: SammySon
Not to be condescending, or rude or anything but, if the atkin's users would have maintained a healthy diet and exercised the whole way through they would not have to rely on a new fad quick fixing diet to bring them back to normal.
You are right. I had some nasty eating and inactivity habits. I understand and accept that I can never go back to my old ways, or else I will gain all 41+ lbs right back.

Yea, lot's of men your age are finding that out. Now it's really much to late to do much about it in conventional ways.
Hence why atkin's fix is so prolific today. The largest generation is getting to the age where specific diet needs are becoming critically important.
So they need something to get them back within range that they can manage.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Excelsior
Awww Wingznut. I :heart: you.

Right back at you, buddy! :beer:

And yet another time I have managed to get around your question. I doubt you will ever get a good answer. I dunno..I guess the reason me and other people are "knocking" him is that we don't full believe in Atkins has a way of life. I am happy he lost the weight, don't get me wrong, that's great, but if he had come in and said " I lost 76lbs by running 1 mile every day and cutting out sweets, etc from my diet" then he would've gotten a much better reaction. That's all.

Don't think I didn't notice your aversion tactic.

As for the rest... That's my point. There some misconception that causes people to dislike the low carb method, and I don't really understand it. One might think that it's because it's a little different than the crap that is the "Food Pyramid". But I would think that most people around here are open to different ideas.

Or am I wrong, and everyone is just a bunch of sheep? (Baaaaaa!)

Yeah, the food pyramid has been firmly implanted into our minds but if you look at it, it does make sense. It has sugar, fats, and oils used sparingly, but yet you and me both know that the "breads" or carbs that much of the US eats has a lot of sugar and is highly processed.

Does that make any sense?

 

[apoppin]

Today's news linked the Atkins diet to two DEATHS.

Continue at your own risk.

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Today's news linked the Atkins diet to two DEATHS.

Continue at your own risk.

True, but the institution who is blaming Atkins' diet for those deaths (PCRM) has campaigned against Atkins' diet before, so their heavily anecdotal evidence in those two cases is likely biased.

Rob

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Today's news linked the Atkins diet to two DEATHS.

Continue at your own risk.

Don't believe me? TODAY's News


<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://Last Updated Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:21:18[/i] ]http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/11/20/Consumers/atkins_safety031120">Doctors warn Atkins diet can lead to health problems
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HALIFAX - A group of U.S. doctors has warned dieters and governments about what it says are life-threatening dangers of high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets, such as the Atkins diet.


Dr. Neal Barnard

"We are now starting to see health problems, sometimes very serious health problems, in people who've been on the diet," said Dr. Neal Barnard of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.

The committee advocates a strict vegetarian diet, the opposite of Atkins' meat-heavy regimen.

The group's website asks people who've had health problems while on the Atkins diet to contact them.

Barnard said he's heard from nearly 200 people, including the families of two people who died while on such diets.




"The (U.S. Centers for Disease Control) needs to follow large groups of individuals following this diet and see if the kidney problems, the heart problems, the premature deaths, the osteoporosis really do represent a cause-and-effect relationship," said Barnard.


Written by CBC News Online staff

Probably what you don't want to hear.

Try THIS link

 

[Wingznut]

The committee advocates a strict vegetarian diet...

Ummm, hello! They are a bunch of vegetarians. Of course they don't like the low carb plans.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: apoppin
Today's news linked the Atkins diet to two DEATHS.

Continue at your own risk.

True, but the institution who is blaming Atkins' diet for those deaths (PCRM) has campaigned against Atkins' diet before, so their heavily anecdotal evidence in those two cases is likely biased.

Rob

It's your heart attack . . . I'd prefer to err on the side of caution.



Personally, I think it is horribly UNsound for the long-term.