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After - Usually I have 3 eggs w/1.5 slices of bacon or 1.5 sausage links.
Cholesterol heaven.

Look, I couldn't be happier that you have lost weight and become healthier. You chose a different path than I or X-Man. Why is it unacceptable to you that I don't choose the exact same path to reach the same goal?
I believe that he's just trying to point out that you completely ignore the long term effects. In fact, you dont even acknowledge their existance.
Say your path along the way overall weakens your heart. You are both at the target weight, but your heart took more of a beating along the way.
So, essentially your are only meeting eye to eye with one part of your goal.

Are you joking? You are really saying that humans weren't designed to be carnivores?

Btw, I look at my teeth and I see these four very pointy ones. Do you think those were designed that way to chew plants?
Oh, my god, how many times does this have to be gone over... I would think that with such great knowledge of diets, you would have a clue as to how humans work.
In 1990, William Clifford Roberts, the distinguished editor in chief of The American Journal of Cardiology, wrote:

Although human beings eat meat we are not natural carnivores. We were intended to eat plants, fruits and starches! No matter how much fat carnivores eat, they do not develop atheroschlerosis. It's virtually impossible, for example, to produce atheroschlerosis in the dog even when 100 grams of cholesterol are added to its meat ration. (This amount of cholesterol is approximately 200 times the average amount that human beings in the USA eat each day!) In contrast, herbivores rapidly develop atheroschlerosis if they are fed foods, namely fat and cholesterol, intended for carnivores...

Thus, although we think we are one and we act as if we are one, human beings are not natural carnivores. When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings, who are natural herbivores

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Physiology:

All of a carnivore?s teeth are long, sharp, and pointed; whereas we humans have smooth, only slightly raised points on our teeth: for crushing and grinding.
A carnivore?s jaw moves up and down only, for tearing and biting; ours move from side to side for grinding.
A carnivore?s saliva is acid and geared to the digestion of animal protein (it lacks ptyalin, a chemical that digests starches); our saliva is alkaline and contains ptyalin for the digestion of starches.
A carnivore?s stomach is a simple round sack that secretes ten times more hydrochloric acid than that of a non-carnivore; our stomachs are oblong in shape, complicated in structure, and convoluted, with a duodenum.
A carnivore?s intestines are three times the length of its trunk, designed for rapid expulsion of food-stuff, which quickly rots; our intestines are twelve times the length of our trunks and designed to keep food in them until all nutrients are extracted.
The liver of a carnivore is capable of eliminating ten to fifteen times more uric acid than the liver of a herbivore; our livers have the capacity to eliminate only a small amount of uric acid (uric acid: an extremely dangerous toxic substance - all meat consumption releases large quantities of it into the system). Unlike carnivores and most omivores, humans do not have the enzyme (uricase) to break down uric acid.
A carnivore does not sweat through the skin and has no pores; we do sweat through the skin and have pores.
A carnivore?s urine is acid; ours is alkaline.
A carnivore?s tongue is rough; ours is smooth.
Our hands are perfectly designed for plucking fruit from a tree; not for tearing the guts out of carcasses of a dead animal as are a carnivore?s claws.

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Further Explanation of Preceding Nutritional Material**:

Vegetarians enjoy increased health because it is natural for human health. No mammal, other than those who are kept as pets or confined in a zoo (because they?re under the dominion of humans) have as many health problems as do humans. We are obviously the only animal who has developed a medical system, yet on paper, we enjoy the lowest level of health in the entire animal kingdom. The fact is that without the band-aid efforts of modern science ?survival of the fittest? would be a frightening notion to the human race.

If we are indeed meant to be carnivores or omnivores then why are most people incapable of eating meat without cooking it? We are the only so-called carnivore or omnivore who cook their meat. This is one major way in which the consumption of flesh food contributes to failing health in humans. Enzymes are sensitive to all heat above 130F. At 130F and above, these life-giving enzymes are dead.

Further, we eat only the muscle meat and fat of the animal. If you?ve ever seen a predator take down its prey, either in person or on a nature show, then you?d have noticed that the predator rips open the underside of its prey, opens up its belly and goes straight for the intestines. This is one reason why carnivores don?t eat other carnivores. Carnivorous animals are eating animals that are plant- and fruit-eaters, because that is what all animals need. The reason carnivores will go straight to the intestines is that that is where it finds the predigested nutrient dense, enzyme-rich, high water-content food. After that, it eats all of the organs, followed by the blood, lastly they eat the muscle meat and fat.

One of the most common myths is that meat makes one strong. What would you say is the strongest animal on the planet? The elephant?, Ox?, Horse?, Water buffalo? They all eat leafy matter, grass and fruit. The silverback gorilla physiologically resembles the human being. It is three times the size of an average person, but it has thirty times the strength of an average person. The silverback subsists wholly on fruit and other vegetation. When fruit is plentiful, they forgo the eating of any other food until the fruit is depleted. What about the steer meat, which is eaten for its near-perfect protein? What did the steer eat to build that protein? Grain and grass! Protein is not built in the body by eating protein/muscle. Muscle does not come from eating muscle. The body is just a little more sophisticated than that.

Protein is built from amino acids and there are no ?essential? amino acids in flesh that the animal did not derive from plants, and that humans cannot also derive from plants. This is also why, except in emergencies, carnivorous animals generally don?t eat other carnivorous animals. No animal in nature needs to combine different foods to get all the essentials. The body has a most remarkable mechanism to guarantee that something as crucial as protein is manufactured regularly and with great proficiency.

There are eight amino acids that the body must appropriate from outside sources, and although all fruit and vegetables contain most of the eight, there are many fruit and vegetables that contain all the amino acids not produced by the body: carrots, bananas, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, corn, cucumbers, eggplant, kale, okra, peas, potatoes, summer squash, sweet potatoes, and tomatoes. All nuts, sunflower and sesame seeds, peanuts, and beans contain all eight, as well. Utilizable amino acid content found in plant life is far in excess of that to be found in flesh foods.

Vitamin B12 - where do the animals whose meat we eat get theirs? Vitamin B12 is found in plants in very small amounts. But the way Vitamin B12 is secured is primarily from that produced in the body. The stomach secreted a substance called ?intrinsic factor,? which transports the vitamin B12 created by the bacterial flora in our intestines. Our actual need for vitamin B12 is so minute that it is measured in micrograms (millionth of a gram) or nanograms (billionth of a gram). One milligram of vitamin B12 will last you over two years, and healthy individuals usually carry around a five year supply. Putrefaction hampers the secretion of ?intrinsic factor? in the stomach and retards the production of vitamin B12. So flesh-eaters are more apt to develop a vitamin B12 deficiency than vegetarians!

*OK - this just in: we have to retract our original statement!! We have discovered that there is indeed one justification for eating meat. Dr.Carl Lumholtz, a Norwegian scientist, conducted extensive studies of anthropology, specifically, cannibalism. He indicated that some aborigine tribes in Australia would not eat the flesh of meat eaters because it was salty and occasioned nausea. But vegetarians were considered good eatin? because their food was chiefly of plant origin. So, if you are vacationing in cannibal territory, eating meat could serve as cannibal-repellant.

I'm sorry, you had a
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Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: apoppin
Good LUCK . . . I hope it works well for you and X-man . . . but I would still warn others that there are better traditional ALTERNATIVES to atkins that work - (albeit) much harder to stick with since it involves REGULAR EXERCISE as well as cutting out the junk.
First off, why would you think the Atkins plan does not call for REGULAR EXERCISE??? This is a common arguemen with the naysayers... And it is very untrue. Chapter 22 is not entitled Exercise - It's non-negotiable for no reason. Why people think that Atkins is not hard work, is beyond me. Losing this weight and becoming healthier is one of my more proud accomplishments. It's a very difficult thing to do, no matter what path you take.

Everything in life is a balance of risk vs benefits. EVERYTHING.

Are there long term risks with any diet plan... Of course there is. Whether you choose Atkins, vegetarian, the food pyramid, etc.

There are risks in eating trans fats (partially hydrogenated oils), artificial sweeteners, high sugars, etc. As well as risks associated with not getting enough nutrients.

Going by all of the research I've done, my results, and how I feel... I don't believe there is much of a risk (if any, at all) for me. The fact of the matter is that I am exponentially healthier now than I was at the beginning of the year.


I've never stated that Atkins is for everyone. Most of the time, there are many different ways to acheive goals... And weight loss is no exception to that.
Well then, we're just about AGREED on everything then.

I never said Atkins did not encourage exercise; unfortunately, it is touted by (some/many) supporters as UNnecessary to losing weight.

As you may know I am AGAINST junk food and have avoided processed foods, trans fats, sugars and artificial sweetners all my life (sometimes UNsuccessfully until this year when I became a fanatic - yes, I am growing and drinking wheat-grass juice).

I am SIMPLY warning OTHERS to not just jump on the Atkins diet without seriously checking it out - including the warnings about LONG-TERM. ;)

:)

And now it's WORK . . . aloha.



 

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To the OP - I think that's great. I am not a proponent of the Atkin's diet for most. The biggest problem is what it can do to the body chemistries IF NOT MONITORED. Yours was suggested by a MD, and apparently one that is monitoring you (the comment about the labs coming up). Make sure he keeps monitoring it as long as you're on it, and for a little while after. And again, congratulations.



Not to some of the others...

Originally posted by: SammySon
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Originally posted by: SammySon
It works for the short term, but not for the long
End of thread.

Stay on atkins and check out your colon in 10 years.


Got any links to back that up, or just FUD?
Hrm.. let' see, no. The atkin's diet hasn't been around long enough to support 5 years of empirical data, let alone 10.
As I've said, atkins is good for the short term, bad for the short.

This is something that has tested the trials of time in many walks of life.
The fast. Hell, modern juice fasting has been around 4 times as long as the atkin's diet.
It will be around many centuries after atkin's as well.

Edit: Give this a read too.

There has been several studies that suggest that the body will return to the prior processes after stopping this (or most other) diet(s). That's nothing new. The body compensates. If you remove the reason for the change, it may well change back to how it was before.

As to the Atkin's diet not having 5 years of evidence - that's pure BS. The Atkin's RE-ISSUED his Diet Revolution book in 1989. This was not a new book even at that time. That was 14 years ago.

There are risks with practically any diet... this one included. If you are really concerned about your health, see your MD. Many of them (I won't all because of some of the moron MD's I've met), do actually have some knowledge in the area.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: apoppin
Of course, it DOES appear better than the "garbage diet" plan, most of the people here appear to be "on". :p
What EXACTLY is "garbage" about what I am doing? Let me give you very accurate examples of my meals before and after I started Atkins...

Breakfast
Before - Normally, I'd have a bowl of sweetened cereal.
After - Usually I have 3 eggs w/1.5 slices of bacon or 1.5 sausage links.

Lunch
Before - A typical lunch would consist of going out. Not always fast food, but definitely always high in fat, calories, and carbs.
After - Salads usually fill my lunch menu. Very often I'll add tuna or a breast of chicken to it.

Dinner
Before - Usually consisted of some sort of meat, and 90% of the time consisted of some sort of white (many times processed) starchy food such as rice, potato, or noodles, and a vegetable.
After - I haven't cut out the vegetable or the meat, but I have cut out the pasta.

Drinks
Before - To see me without a Coke or some sort of coffee drink in my hand was a rarity.
After - Water, tea, and the occasional diet soda is all I drink now. 90% of the time, it's water.

I have cut out almost everything that isn't natural. (Artificial sweetener in diet soda is the lone exception.) No trans fats, no processed foods, no fast food, etc.

Please explain to me what is so "garbage" about that, compared to what 90% of the rest of the people are eating.

I am significantly healthier than before.
  • I have lost 41 lbs.
  • I can run farther, lift more, and exercise longer than ever in my life.
  • I recently had a physical, and not a single issue was found. "Excellent health" was the exact term my Dr. used.
  • My cholesterol numbers are greatly improved.

Look, I couldn't be happier that you have lost weight and become healthier. You chose a different path than I or X-Man. Why is it unacceptable to you that I don't choose the exact same path to reach the same goal?
Proper Nutrition and a sensible diet makes works for those who don't need to lose an extreme amount of weight. I do believe though with patience one can adhere to that, count calories and exercise and the weight will come off. Of course it probably won't be anywhere near as rapid as Atkins. All I know is that I would hate to have to give up an occasional Pasta meal, all breads and an occasional cookie, piece of candy or adult beverage. I guess that's why I work out every day so I can enjoy the little dietary treats and still be fit.

One thing that is present in Dan's, Riprorin's and Wingnutz regimine, exercise. I believe that has as much to do if not more with their overall success than the diet. Without exercise you can diet all you want but even if you do lose weight once you hit your goal and go on a maintenance diet the odds are you probably will gain the weight back. I wonder if those who do achieve their goals and include an hour of rigorous cardiovascular exercise 5 days a week would be able to eat sensibly and not forgo the foods that are taboo for Atkins Dieters if they only ate them on occasion.
 

Triumph

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Originally posted by: SammySon
After - Usually I have 3 eggs w/1.5 slices of bacon or 1.5 sausage links.
Cholesterol heaven.

So explain why Atkins dieter's are able to eat 3 eggs a day and lower their cholesterol? It's all well and good to say "cholesterol heaven," but the evidence and experience doesn't back it up.

Re: your evidence against meat eating. We are omnivores, capable of eating both meat and plant matter. As such, we are not exceptional at doing either, the way a strict carnivore or herbivore is. That is why we don't have the same teeth, intestines, acids, enzymes, etc as full blown carnivores. Any archeologist will tell you that all forms of primitive man had meat as a staple of their diet, in addition to naturally found fruits, vegetables, grains, and nuts (i.e. the Atkins diet!). Man was eating meat in all of his forms (homo sapien, homo erectus, homo whatever you want to add) long before recorded history. Agrarian societies aren't even any more than a small fraction of the lifespan of the human race. And we can and do eat uncooked meat: prime rib and sushi are two examples, raw eggs are another similar example. Ground beef needs to be cooked because the grinding process and cross contamination exposes almost all of the meat to bacteria. So yes, we can eat raw meat, but we're not as good at it as strict carnivores because, again, we are multitalented.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: SammySon
After - Usually I have 3 eggs w/1.5 slices of bacon or 1.5 sausage links.
Cholesterol heaven.

So explain why Atkins dieter's are able to eat 3 eggs a day and lower their cholesterol? It's all well and good to say "cholesterol heaven," but the evidence and experience doesn't back it up.

Re: your evidence against meat eating. We are omnivores, capable of eating both meat and plant matter. As such, we are not exceptional at doing either, the way a strict carnivore or herbivore is. That is why we don't have the same teeth, intestines, acids, enzymes, etc as full blown carnivores. Any archeologist will tell you that all forms of primitive man had meat as a staple of their diet, in addition to naturally found fruits, vegetables, grains, and nuts (i.e. the Atkins diet!). Man was eating meat in all of his forms (homo sapien, homo erectus, homo whatever you want to add) long before recorded history. Agrarian societies aren't even any more than a small fraction of the lifespan of the human race. And we can and do eat uncooked meat: prime rib and sushi are two examples, raw eggs are another similar example. Ground beef needs to be cooked because the grinding process and cross contamination exposes almost all of the meat to bacteria. So yes, we can eat raw meat, but we're not as good at it as strict carnivores because, again, we are multitalented.
Whatever, I bet that not eating Sausages and Bacon and replacing them with a lean meat would be healthier. I also bet that eating a large Grapefruit would be better too (my breakfast favorite)
 

Red Dawn

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maybe it would, red, but that's not an answer.
Eh..

BTW, has anybody seen the KFC ads touting how their chicken is low in carbs? Yeah now there is some diet food. Will that be extra greasy or extra crisp M'am?

 

Triumph

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Triumph
maybe it would, red, but that's not an answer.
Eh..

BTW, has anybody seen the KFC ads touting how their chicken is low in carbs? Yeah now there is some diet food. Will that be extra greasy or extra crisp M'am?

mmmmm....KFC. :)
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: alkemyst
no that's not what I said...it's the atkin's camp that jumps down everyone's throat though as evidenced with your reply.
I'm not sure what the heck you are talking about. X-Man has made great strides in becoming more healthy. Yet you are the one who has to jump in with the mob and start bashing him about it.

Well without atkins I lost 86lbs in 3 months. Even had beer on the weekends *GASP!!!!!* I wasn't joining any 'mob' and as far as a mob goes it's all these chumps paying Dr. Atkins for common knowledge.

 

So explain why Atkins dieter's are able to eat 3 eggs a day and lower their cholesterol? It's all well and good to say "cholesterol heaven," but the evidence and experience doesn't back it up.

Re: your evidence against meat eating. We are omnivores, capable of eating both meat and plant matter. As such, we are not exceptional at doing either, the way a strict carnivore or herbivore is. That is why we don't have the same teeth, intestines, acids, enzymes, etc as full blown carnivores. Any archeologist will tell you that all forms of primitive man had meat as a staple of their diet, in addition to naturally found fruits, vegetables, grains, and nuts (i.e. the Atkins diet!). Man was eating meat in all of his forms (homo sapien, homo erectus, homo whatever you want to add) long before recorded history. Agrarian societies aren't even any more than a small fraction of the lifespan of the human race. And we can and do eat uncooked meat: prime rib and sushi are two examples, raw eggs are another similar example. Ground beef needs to be cooked because the grinding process and cross contamination exposes almost all of the meat to bacteria. So yes, we can eat raw meat, but we're not as good at it as strict carnivores because, again, we are multitalented.
When you don't have the skill of agriculture, what are you supposed to do?
As time goes on, we will have less and less ability to ingest meat.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Triumph
maybe it would, red, but that's not an answer.
Eh..

BTW, has anybody seen the KFC ads touting how their chicken is low in carbs? Yeah now there is some diet food. Will that be extra greasy or extra crisp M'am?

well I actually got into an argument about how KFC chicken is perfect atkins food once
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djheater

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Originally posted by: Wingznut
Congrats, X-Man!!! :D

Don't listen to what some of these guys say. I don't really understand why there are people who are so quick to knock other people's success.... Well, that's not true. I do understand it. I'm just not going to get into it here.

It's funny how people will proclaim someone who has lost a significant amount of weight, while improving EVERY factor of his bloodwork... Yet, they don't seem to hammer on people who talk about how they just had McDonald's for lunch or drink a six pack of beer a night. I guess eating crap is perfectly acceptable, but improving your lifestyle significantly is not.

I would love to hear why (specifically) CorporateRecreation thinks that a low carb diet is "one of the most unhealthy life choices that you can do to yourself."

(Oh btw, when people made bread since "the dawn of time", it wasn't refined white flours. The "bread" of today is very different than "the dawn of time".)


I'd just like to point out that man has not been eating bread since the dawn of time. Homo Sapiens emerged as a species roughly 120,000 years ago and has only been cultivating grain for 12-15,000 years.

Hunter Gatherers the bulk of our evolutionary history ate lots of meat, and vegetables. They did not of cours induce ketosis, carbs are just to good to pass up.
 

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My wife is on Atkins now, can't lose the 30lb she put on from the last pregnacy, she lost it easily with the first one.
She never feels hungry, exercises and the weight comes off.
IT IS STILL A PORTION CONTROL DIET .
We used to eat the same stuff I stay thin as a pick she slides up.
Humans are OMNIVORES, basically we were scavangers for the first million or so years we ate what and where we could.
I think different people have different metabolisms. She did the weight watchers think lost weight maintained til the pregnancy.
I think what people forget is that there are 3 body types endomorph ectomorph and mesomorph.
If we all had the same bodies we would all eat and reacte to food the same way WE DON'T.
Diets have failed for the last 100 years a lot of people are finding short AND long term success with this one.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: alkemyst
no that's not what I said...it's the atkin's camp that jumps down everyone's throat though as evidenced with your reply.
I'm not sure what the heck you are talking about. X-Man has made great strides in becoming more healthy. Yet you are the one who has to jump in with the mob and start bashing him about it.

Well without atkins I lost 86lbs in 3 months. Even had beer on the weekends *GASP!!!!!* I wasn't joining any 'mob' and as far as a mob goes it's all these chumps paying Dr. Atkins for common knowledge.
86 lbs in 3 months? Unbelievable..I mean I really don't believe it. Did you have your stomach stapled or did you have disentary?
 

Triumph

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Originally posted by: SammySon

When you don't have the skill of agriculture, what are you supposed to do?
As time goes on, we will have less and less ability to ingest meat.

Yes, so they did what they were supposed to do for tens of thousands of years.
I'm sure our ability to eat meat would degrade as well with time, if we all stopped eating meat entirely. But that hasn't happened, so why would our ability have declined as well? Also it would take many many years for a change like that to occur. I think I read somewhere that it takes 30 generations for a group of people to start exhibiting "distinctive" traits, or something like that (but don't quote me on the exact number). So presumably, if an isolated culture switched from omnivore to herbivore, it would take 30 generations for their meat eating capabilities to degrade to the point of nonexistance. 30 generations x 20 years between each generation = 600 years.
 

Yes, so they did what they were supposed to do for tens of thousands of years.
I'm sure our ability to eat meat would degrade as well with time, if we all stopped eating meat entirely. But that hasn't happened, so why would our ability have declined as well? Also it would take many many years for a change like that to occur. I think I read somewhere that it takes 30 generations for a group of people to start exhibiting "distinctive" traits, or something like that (but don't quote me on the exact number). So presumably, if an isolated culture switched from omnivore to herbivore, it would take 30 generations for their meat eating capabilities to degrade to the point of nonexistance. 30 generations x 20 years between each generation = 600 years.
600 years is a drop in the bucket.
 

djheater

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Originally posted by: SammySon

When you don't have the skill of agriculture, what are you supposed to do?
As time goes on, we will have less and less ability to ingest meat.

Incorrect. A common misconception of the way evolution works.

As a species we will only lose that ability if it kills people off before they have a chance to reproduce. That's the key part. If it kills you of colon cancer when you're forty and already have a couple of kids then it won't evolve out because your genome has survived to the next generation. Evolution is arguably somewhat stymied in modern societies but have no fear it would quickly reassert itself within a couple of generations if technology were removed.

/rambling
 

Incorrect. A common misconception of the way evolution works.

As a species we will only lose that ability if it kills people off before they have a chance to reproduce. That's the key part. If it kills you of colon cancer when you're forty and already have a couple of kids then it won't evolve out because your genome has survived to the next generation. Evolution is arguably somewhat stymied in modern societies but have no fear it would quickly reassert itself within a couple of generations if technology were removed.

/rambling
That's bullsh!t.
 

Well, that was needlessly inflammatory.

Care to explain why you disagree?
I didn't mean it to be offensive or anything.

You can't measure genetic evolution on a single generational scale. It's just too small.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: alkemyst
no that's not what I said...it's the atkin's camp that jumps down everyone's throat though as evidenced with your reply.
I'm not sure what the heck you are talking about. X-Man has made great strides in becoming more healthy. Yet you are the one who has to jump in with the mob and start bashing him about it.

Well without atkins I lost 86lbs in 3 months. Even had beer on the weekends *GASP!!!!!* I wasn't joining any 'mob' and as far as a mob goes it's all these chumps paying Dr. Atkins for common knowledge.
86 lbs in 3 months? Unbelievable..I mean I really don't believe it. Did you have your stomach stapled or did you have disentary?

Ripped fuel (ECA STACK), 2 hours of workout's per day (30-45mins was cardio), cut down to healthy foods only (tuna salad and a pita vs big bun and meat and fries)....

The first month I was losing over a lb a day. However I will add I was a 190LB hard hitting mutha before gaining the weight so most I have talked to in RL have said that was the reason.

Even with my recent start back into health, I am drinking and eating junk and in 3 weeks my wife notices a big change + my arms and legs you can't even pinch a half a half an inch now.....tummy needs work a bit though still :). I am not taking any supplements though.
 

Triumph

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Originally posted by: SammySon
Yes, so they did what they were supposed to do for tens of thousands of years.
I'm sure our ability to eat meat would degrade as well with time, if we all stopped eating meat entirely. But that hasn't happened, so why would our ability have declined as well? Also it would take many many years for a change like that to occur. I think I read somewhere that it takes 30 generations for a group of people to start exhibiting "distinctive" traits, or something like that (but don't quote me on the exact number). So presumably, if an isolated culture switched from omnivore to herbivore, it would take 30 generations for their meat eating capabilities to degrade to the point of nonexistance. 30 generations x 20 years between each generation = 600 years.
600 years is a drop in the bucket.

Yes it is, but you still missed the point. Where in European history did people go without eating meat for 600 years? I say European because that is the ancestry of a large portion of the US, and I'm just using it as an example of one culture.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: alkemyst
no that's not what I said...it's the atkin's camp that jumps down everyone's throat though as evidenced with your reply.
I'm not sure what the heck you are talking about. X-Man has made great strides in becoming more healthy. Yet you are the one who has to jump in with the mob and start bashing him about it.

Well without atkins I lost 86lbs in 3 months. Even had beer on the weekends *GASP!!!!!* I wasn't joining any 'mob' and as far as a mob goes it's all these chumps paying Dr. Atkins for common knowledge.
86 lbs in 3 months? Unbelievable..I mean I really don't believe it. Did you have your stomach stapled or did you have disentary?

Ripped fuel (ECA STACK), 2 hours of workout's per day (30-45mins was cardio), cut down to healthy foods only (tuna salad and a pita vs big bun and meat and fries)....

The first month I was losing over a lb a day. However I will add I was a 190LB hard hitting mutha before gaining the weight so most I have talked to in RL have said that was the reason.

Even with my recent start back into health, I am drinking and eating junk and in 3 weeks my wife notices a big change + my arms and legs you can't even pinch a half a half an inch now.....tummy needs work a bit though still :). I am not taking any supplements though.
So you were burning at least 2400 calories a day more than you were taking in for 3 months straight? You sure you weren't supplementing your diet with a little methamphetamine?
 

Yes it is, but you still missed the point. Where in European history did people go without eating meat for 600 years? I say European because that is the ancestry of a large portion of the US, and I'm just using it as an example of one culture.
I see your point. But it is of no relevance.
We are set in our ways of eating meat. Unless you go an educate a majority of the population and get them to switch, nothing is going to change.

Pubic hair should be genetically obsolete. Humans have gone long over 600 years without wearing clothes. Why hasn't pubic hair stopped growing?
Or our tail bone?
Or the appendix?
Such simplistic views of evolution can't explain thoes.