Afghan Militants Intrude Pakistan and kill 27 troop

[Lemon law]

Hmm, number of significant al Qaeda attacks on America since the Afghan war started . . . Carry the zero . . .

Yup, it's working just fine.

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A few questions werepossum?

1. Why does Al-Quida need to attack America, they are bleeding us dry as it is?

2. Is there a win to be had in the future in Afghanistan or Pakistan? If not why are we still there bleeding blood and treasure?

3. Where we get the crazy notion that Afghanistan is the only nation where Al-Quida can operate out of.

4. Unless the USA can win friends within Afghanistan and Pakistan, its crazy to think we get anywhere offending the ordinary people of Afghanistan and Pakistan. But that is your seeming strategy, which is simply retarded.

And I want to make a disclaimer, I am no fan of the Taliban, but its my duty to say, if we don't straighten out our act, the Taliban will win. But as long as we stay stuck on stupid, we will lose, and we are doing a fine job of that now.

 

[The Green Bean]

What's 'weak' about it? There's a known monster that knowingly and purposefully OK'd the direct murder of thousands of civillians (thankfully it was less than he/they theorized), the other is some teen (who could be a [/I]small time scumbag).

You're not trying to equate the two as equal circumstances, are you?

Why don't you prove that in an international court? The American presidency has no legitimacy. They lied about Iraq's WMDs. They might as well be lying about OBL's involvement in 9/11.

The issue is not who the man was. The issue is a legal issue. On a legal basis, both the murders are the same. The American SEALs have no right to take justice into their own hands. Or wait, was it going to be impossible for Obama and co. to prove OBLs role?

 

[chimak]

In that case, what exactly is your point? I disagreed with a poster who suggested that the Hindus were slaves under the Mughal rulers. Do you have the same mindset? If so, is that because of the textbooks from your schooling system? If not, then I dont understand why you are arguing with me?

i also totally disagree with what mr routan or green been is SEEING how and what pakistan and pakistani media teaches about ISLAM's history in india.... even to 1971 war. I totally disagree with what every mullah preaches just hatred in every mosque around the world. If hindus were paying DHIMMI TAX for securing there faith then they were slaves. If hindus were killed in millions that was systemic killing and GENOCIDE. Look at the recent history Hinuds and non muslims forced to flee even to this day from Afghanistan, Kashmir, Bangladesh to live in desert, semi arid place, jungles without water. And those days people were more barbaric.........not that todays muslims are less barbaric.

DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE STUPID. to belive muslims treated non muslims justly. if you do then you are disillusioned. Not me.

ISN'T It A MIRACLE IN MUSLIMS WORLD THERE IS HARDLY A MINORITY RELIGION PRACTICED. one really wonders.

Look at who died in EGYPT when the dictator was gone.........CHRISTIANS. HILARIOUS

If pakistani's are taught just revisionist history they are gonna hate INDIA regardless of everything.........if all the mullahs around the world gonna teach hate you are gonna see this JIHADI's. Teach the true history so people say """no there were so many ATROCITY were done in the name of ISLAM we should REFORM.""" ISLAM already is a FUCKING LARGEST RELIGION.

I also totally disagree with that the muslims are totally discriminated in india........no indian will love or respect muslim who are "in heart Pakistani". as green been says.

Taali Do Haathon's se bajatee Hainn......

If muslims around the world can fight for there faith.and injustice...........then all other religion have the right to do the same. OR NOT??????????? or is it just ISLAM's right

FIRST REFORM or introspect yourself then teach others.

 

[dali71]

The American SEALs have no right to take justice into their own hands. Or wait, was it going to be impossible for Obama and co. to prove OBLs role?

Might makes right. Don't like it? Deal with it. If we find you hiding any more of our enemies in your shithole of a country, we'll fly right back in there and take them out. And there's absolutely nothing your impotent government can do about it.

 

[chucky2]

Why don't you prove that in an international court? The American presidency has no legitimacy. They lied about Iraq's WMDs. They might as well be lying about OBL's involvement in 9/11.

The issue is not who the man was. The issue is a legal issue. On a legal basis, both the murders are the same. The American SEALs have no right to take justice into their own hands. Or wait, was it going to be impossible for Obama and co. to prove OBLs role?

No real need, OBL himself is on tape incriminating himself on 9/11. If a murderer self-incriminates, fry his ass....no need for a trial that would just turn out to be a fiasco as it's not like the FBI can go over to an AQ cave with AQ members, subpeona them, have them swear on the Koran, and get them to tell the actual truth. I'm fine the way it was handled. About the only way it could have gone better was to cut his head off with a machete and give the tape of that to Al Jezeera. When in Rome right?

 

[chucky2]

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Get em a clue werepossim, as Afghanistan has now become the longest running war in US history. Is it working yet?

Well if you can't say yes, you just answered your own question.

Now the latest PR line is that Al-Quida morale has never been lower, but polls also show US troop morale has never been lower either. As the USA somehow gets a second prize in a beauty contest with the Taliban.

We killed some 7 % of the Vietnamese people, during our war there, but we must not have killed enough because we lost.

We lost Vietnam because of scumbag politicians F'ing over the military and scumbag media undermining the military with the populace at home so they could accomplish ratings. Iraq, another perfect example of that. That you'd actually equate the military with the loss in Vietnam shows just how F'd up you really are. Unreal....

 

[chimak]

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what's the point. talking to disillusioned, brain washed peoples.

Plus from this side of the fence, the colossal cowardliness and disaster after disaster like gandhi whose chosen one like nehru over patel.

 

[The Green Bean]

No real need, OBL himself is on tape incriminating himself on 9/11. If a murderer self-incriminates, fry his ass....no need for a trial that would just turn out to be a fiasco as it's not like the FBI can go over to an AQ cave with AQ members, subpeona them, have them swear on the Koran, and get them to tell the actual truth. I'm fine the way it was handled. About the only way it could have gone better was to cut his head off with a machete and give the tape of that to Al Jezeera. When in Rome right?

A video tape is not a valid self-confession. Quite often people claim to commit crimes they were not part of. Happens quite often with the Taliban.

Why would it be a fiasco? He was an alleged international war criminal and should have been tried at an international court. History will look at this incident as proof of the hypocrisy of the American Empire.

 

[The Green Bean]

Might makes right. Don't like it? Deal with it. If we find you hiding any more of our enemies in your shithole of a country, we'll fly right back in there and take them out. And there's absolutely nothing your impotent government can do about it.

Might does not make right. We should start shooting down American drones. We should not be scared. The Americans will not be able to win a war here. That's pretty much the rhetoric coming from the opposition and the masses. 2013 will be a year of change. The Americans better be out of the region by then.

 

[chimak]

A video tape is not a valid self-confession. Quite often people claim to commit crimes they were not part of. Happens quite often with the Taliban.

Why would it be a fiasco? He was an alleged international war criminal and should have been tried at an international court. History will look at this incident as proof of the hypocrisy of the American Empire.

Should i Laugh or cry.

I keep saying the whole Muslim world is like this full of this type of logic.

Now compare this with whatever The Green Bean Says.

In every Mosque, every media, every preacher teach them false history, false current news, false ethics, killing of kaffirs, raising jihad, khalifa.and all the nonsense.

 

[TechAZ]

Might does not make right. We should start shooting down American drones. We should not be scared. The Americans will not be able to win a war here. That's pretty much the rhetoric coming from the opposition and the masses. 2013 will be a year of change. The Americans better be out of the region by then.

I would say we could just bomb you back into the 16th century....but you're already there.

 

[The Green Bean]

I would say we could just bomb you back into the 16th century....but you're already there.

Bombing civilian targets is against the rules of war. A bombing campaign would serve the USA no purpose. It would only unite Pakistanis and perhaps the greater Muslim world against the USA. I don't think the USA can set any goals that it can acheieve in such a war. They will not be seen as liberators like they were in Iraq/Afghanistan. They can't occupy us--we are 10 times the size of Afghanistan. In reality, it would make 9/11 looks like child's play.

And in a full scale war, all the Pakistanis must do is kille 20-30 thousand Americans and they would lose all appetite for a fight.

 

[Karl Agathon]

SSBNs FTW!

 

[chimak]

100% Truth America would be stupid to think they could win in PAKISTAN. There is no way it will happens. Whole muslim UMMA or what is called is ready.

USofA is already bankrupt.........how many wars could they fight.

Now the next play in this game of chess is in the play. Lets see does india becomes BOSNIA or another partition or after all this years........FINALLY embraces the "RELIGION OF PEACE"

Or muslims ignore INDIA cause it is easy target and think about the BIG DEVIL america.

CAN anybody guess how many Hindus will die might even surpass the total of all previous hindu genocide!!!!!!!!! Gun culture in india is very limited.

Or Dhimmi Tax.......can all the non muslim population fit inside Orissa or Rajsthan???

Might EMBRACE ISLAM........there are benefits.......cause it might be that OIL is running out.......and then we can ask our SAUDI friend for cheap oil...... plus Iranian GAS....and would be easy to safeguard BRAHMAPUTRA river from china. . Would benefit Bangladesh tremendously. Hell all this politician might get the real punishment



Whatever happens to INDIA is the future of Western World.

Then do we use oldest trick of muslims ..........PUT a few more MOSQUE in china.........then it obviously can't removed........whole province becomes muslim property. Either except ISLAM or leave the land or get killed. Should Tibet be target first or china proper. Greatest TRICK for Land Grab and invasion

Or we use the trick of infiltration and over crowding via overpopulation over there too.

INDIA SUPERPOWER Hilarious. Khalifa zindabad. LONG LIVE KHALIFA.....Thank you Gandhi, long live hindus of the past........fucking guys couldn't build a great wall of india near INDUS.

 

[chimak]

The Green Bean

I have this conclusive proof of AL Queda and osama involvement in 9/11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0

You can't deny this it is factual with receipts. You might have seen this before it is the Missing Link.

 

[dabuddha]

serious question. Do pakistanis truly believe they are a great country and not the shithole they really are?

 

[Red Dawn]

No. How is the murder of OBL different from this police video? According the reports OBL was not armed. How can you justify one while condemning the other. Hypocrisy at its worst.

3000+ dead on 9/11 you moron, that's how I can justify it.

 

[Craig234]

We lost Vietnam because of scumbag politicians F'ing over the military and scumbag media undermining the military with the populace at home so they could accomplish ratings. Iraq, another perfect example of that. That you'd actually equate the military with the loss in Vietnam shows just how F'd up you really are. Unreal....

We lost Vietnam the moment we ignore the Vietnamese please after WII to stop our policy of backing European allies (France here) re-colonizing after the war.

From that moment, we were acting against our own values of self-determination and freedom from foreign domination and exploitation (which was what our own country was created about), and instead we were throwing money at a colonizer, and then trying to prop up puppets, to oppose the non-existent global communist aggression our paranoia had created, as we threw away our resources and citizens' lives to become a mass killer of 2 million peasants with bullets, napalm, agent orange and more bombs than in WWII, not to mention our sponsorship of terrorism and torture during the war.

You don't need to hear much more about the attitude than to read the secret transcripts of Nixon discussing the war with Kissinger, when he was told that bombing the dikes would kill hundreds of thousands of farmers, and he told Kissinger that Kissinger didn't understand he didn't care about those people. That attitude could come straight from the Nazi government, but it was our government.

Even if we'd 'won' the war after all that, we'd have lost it for the reasons I said, but we didn't do that, and not for the reasons you state.

There's a nugget of truth in your statements, but they're more wrong than right.

About the only thing Nixon didn't do was use nukes, which he wanted to do.

 

[The Green Bean]

3000+ dead on 9/11 you moron, that's how I can justify it.

An admin breaking the rules by personal attacks :s
It was an extra judicial killing whatever the crime. The SEALs had no right to take the law into their own hands.



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[crisscross]

Here is the latest from the US ally in the war on terror http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...iliation-talks/2011/06/10/AGzsWPOH_story.html

Intel on two bomb making factories with video surveillance shared and the Pakis let them escape. If this is what Pakistan did immediately after OBL's killing and all heat on them what expectations can the US and the rest of the world possibly have from them?

Pakistan is a lost cause and nothing the US says or does will change their mindsets. The sooner America and the rest of the world realize this the better.

 

[The Green Bean]

Here is the latest from the US ally in the war on terror http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...iliation-talks/2011/06/10/AGzsWPOH_story.html

Intel on two bomb making factories with video surveillance shared and the Pakis let them escape. If this is what Pakistan did immediately after OBL's killing and all heat on them what expectations can the US and the rest of the world possibly have from them?

Pakistan is a lost cause and nothing the US says or does will change their mindsets. The sooner America and the rest of the world realize this the better.

The intelligence could have leaked from USA sources as well... Maybe to make us look bad and justify the raid on OBL.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Pakistan already looks bad, most people in the world recognize it for being the worst country on the planet and as a general failure.

 

[Red Dawn]

The intelligence could have leaked from USA sources as well... Maybe to make us look bad and justify the raid on OBL.

Nah you guys are doing a good job making yourselves look bad on your own.

 

[OCGuy]

Might does not make right. We should start shooting down American drones. We should not be scared. The Americans will not be able to win a war here. That's pretty much the rhetoric coming from the opposition and the masses. 2013 will be a year of change. The Americans better be out of the region by then.

Are you still in denial that our drones are based in Pakistan?

We are there with your government's permission. The fact that you swallow their hot load that says they don't support the drone strikes, yet there are pictures of our drone bases on beloved patriot soil, makes my head hurt.



"The US was secretly flying unmanned drones from the Shamsi airbase in Pakistan's southwestern province of Baluchistan as early as 2006, according to an image of the base from Google Earth.

The image — that is no longer on the site but which was obtained by The News, Pakistan's English language daily newspaper — shows what appear to be three Predator drones outside a hangar at the end of the runway. The Times also obtained a copy of the image, whose co-ordinates confirm that it is the Shamsi airfield, also known as Bandari, about 200 miles southwest of the Pakistani city of Quetta"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5762371.ece

 

[Howard]

Pakistan already looks bad, most people in the world recognize it for being the worst country on the planet and as a general failure.

Worse than even any African country?