Afghan Militants Intrude Pakistan and kill 27 troop

[Woofmeister]

A video tape is not a valid self-confession. Quite often people claim to commit crimes they were not part of. Happens quite often with the Taliban.

Why would it be a fiasco? He was an alleged international war criminal and should have been tried at an international court. History will look at this incident as proof of the hypocrisy of the American Empire.

Even for Green Bean, this has to be one of the stupidest postings in the history of this forum. Are you seriously suggesting that OBL's video tapes claiming responsibility for 9-11 would not be admissible in court as evidence of his guilt? I can assure you that insofar as they were voluntarily made, so long as they were authenticated, OBL's videos and audio tapes would be admissible in either a U.S. federal court or the International Criminal Court as evidence.

Are you suggesting that OBL falsely took credit for 9-11 and that therefore, the US government was obliged not to take him at his word? Really? Here' s an experiment--walk up to a policeman with your hand in your pocket mimicking a gun and announce in a loud voice that you are going to shoot him--we will all have a good laugh over your families' unsuccessful wrongful death action.

Outside of the nut job Islamic World, I think history's verdict with regard to the U.S. response to 9-11 up through and including the shooting of the fugitive criminal mastermind behind one of the greatest single mass murders in history will be that justice was done.

 

[crisscross]

The intelligence could have leaked from USA sources as well... Maybe to make us look bad and justify the raid on OBL.

If you are the educated upper class in Pakistan I shudder to think what the common man is like....
No wonder Pakistan is such a shit-hole

 

[dali71]

If you are the educated upper class in Pakistan I shudder to think what the common man is like....
No wonder Pakistan is such a shit-hole

He's an educated, upper class Pakistani? I guess that means that he serves his goat wine before he rapes it. :biggrin:

 

[OutHouse]

A video tape is not a valid self-confession. Quite often people claim to commit crimes they were not part of. Happens quite often with the Taliban.

Why would it be a fiasco? He was an alleged international war criminal and should have been tried at an international court. History will look at this incident as proof of the hypocrisy of the American Empire.

dude you really make your country look like a bunch of uneducated cavemen when you post shit like that.

if you ever wonder why your country is a 3rd world shit hole and on the same level as Somalia and Afghanistan just re-read your post. the answer should slap you silly.

 

[OutHouse]

He was not unarmed when the caught him. He was using a "fake" gun to rob them. Americans shouldn't speak. They support extra-judicial killings like the OBL murder.

ohhhh so its ok for your military to execute unamred citizens??

the dude was surrounded by 10 military fucks and they shot him in the street. yea your cuntry is a shining example of human rights.

 

[chimak]

serious question. Do pakistanis truly believe they are a great country and not the shithole they really are?

Do know that the country of only 180 million,
which has no minority
just do know that minority right activist gets killed forget about minority,
There are laws to supress minority.
which was put straight towards capitalism,
which had dictatorship so things gets done,
which was darling of the WEST till 2000,
is still dirt poor.

I am not trying to project india, india has failed as a disaster. With one caveat it is not going backward like Pakistan.

Why the fuck indian muslims not migrating in pakistan if it is a hell hole for them......i mean people are migrating for economics reason all over the world . While in india there is a cry over Bangladeshi Muslims coming here and overcrowding.

Forget about japan, korea they can't even reach the level of CHINA.



How should everyone love and give full respect to a muslims when his religion only preaches Killing of kaffirs, raping there woman, looting them. It is taught in every single mosque, every single home, every single madrases. CAUSE IT IS IN QUARAN THE RELIGION OF PEACE

I mean compare population explosion of muslims all around the world. What the fuck they want to achieve. Do know that has nothing to do with education, poverty. It is a systematic plan of infiltration, subjection, land grab, and creating chaos. In todays world timur or babur looks BAD so this new plan.



People hate muslims all around the world cause of there history and there violent means not because they follow the " Religion of peace" dictated by none other then a WARLORD.

 

[chimak]

Guys all muslims are just like this. there is no real difference.

I mean come on in mr green been's country minorities are loved, he has friends across every religion, has family in india.

WHAT A JOKE.

You know i am not going argue about who is right and who is wrong.

But do know that the religion of ISLAM is not really a religion it is a cult. Cult of LOOT, LIES, Stealing, Blood, Domination, overpowering. Just look at the prophet's history and you will understand.

Whatever happens to INDIA will happen in the WEST.

And it is completely hindus fault ( including myself and older generation's fault ).

 

[Taejin]

imo if pakistan were under proper indian rule this shit wouldnt happen

 

[chimak]

Oh GOD NO..........Then the collected entity would have been 10 times worst then AFRICA.
I will give one thing to pakistan it has less poverty then india.

Okay there is one say i.e. the reflection of the rulers is equal to the people of the land.

I.e.

Indians are corrupt themselves so we have corrupt democracy.

Most Muslims are barbaric so they either need dictator, military, or khalifa to control them.

japan, korea, west, have some have decency so the democracy works there.

You guys should come to india..........See the chess game. See the grand plan here.
Hell just look at Britain and France.

 

[chucky2]

We lost Vietnam the moment snip

Yes, I realize what you're saying. My point though is once a country makes a major forces move into a country, it should be 'In it to win it'. Not 'In it to win it as long as the peaceniks OK what needs to be done', or, 'In it to win it as long as the politicians can micromanage the military', etc. Once the politicians decide to go in, their direction to the military needs to be, 'Go conquer <Vietnam, Iraq>, and get back to me when it's done and pacified'.

Then GTFOofTheWay. Along with The Media.

Politicians and The Media have about zero place in a warzone. Neither bring much benefit (if any), and they have the very real probability of having serious negative consequences. That was my point. The US military didn't lose Vietnam, our 'super smart political guys' and Media did that for us, or more specifically, did about everything they could do to ensure their own military wouldn't succeed.

Chuck

 

[OCGuy]

This beloved patriot moron ignores me when I call him out on his government allowing our CIA and Special OPs to have bases on his soil.

Not surprised.

 

[chimak]

Oh come on guys.

Just know that every muslim from sudan to Indonesia in his heart supports Osama Bin Laden and AL QUEDA.

I don't understand what and whom USA is fighting in Pak And Afghan. There is no victory here. There is no possible victory here. There are TONS of loser in arab and muslim world who have nothing better to do.

Muslims want what they want. They would distort facts, history, minority anything.
They can't live in democracy, they can't live under mullahs, they can't live under dictators, they can't live under Al queda, ( E.g. Women and muslim minorities like hazars, and shia's )

The tilt of power is shifting. They are so obsessed with all the Khalifa's and what they were able to do under muslim NATO.




Mayan's were so got damned true " 2012" is gonna change the world.


I am shuddering on thoughts what will happens to non muslims under so called just muslims

Muslims are just known for stealing, looting, raping, and violence. And people have to love them kiss them and bend over backwards.

 

[werepossum]

Even for Green Bean, this has to be one of the stupidest postings in the history of this forum. Are you seriously suggesting that OBL's video tapes claiming responsibility for 9-11 would not be admissible in court as evidence of his guilt? I can assure you that insofar as they were voluntarily made, so long as they were authenticated, OBL's videos and audio tapes would be admissible in either a U.S. federal court or the International Criminal Court as evidence.

Are you suggesting that OBL falsely took credit for 9-11 and that therefore, the US government was obliged not to take him at his word? Really? Here' s an experiment--walk up to a policeman with your hand in your pocket mimicking a gun and announce in a loud voice that you are going to shoot him--we will all have a good laugh over your families' unsuccessful wrongful death action.

Outside of the nut job Islamic World, I think history's verdict with regard to the U.S. response to 9-11 up through and including the shooting of the fugitive criminal mastermind behind one of the greatest single mass murders in history will be that justice was done.

Unfortunately this is typical for a very large percentage of Muslims, perhaps a majority. They will go to any lengths to insist on OBL's innocence whilst simultaneously worshiping him as a second Muhammad for the very act.

 

[dabuddha]

Oh come on guys.

Just know that every muslim from sudan to Indonesia in his heart supports Osama Bin Laden and AL QUEDA.

I don't understand what and whom USA is fighting in Pak And Afghan. There is no victory here. There is no possible victory here. There are TONS of loser in arab and muslim world who have nothing better to do.

Muslims want what they want. They would distort facts, history, minority anything.
They can't live in democracy, they can't live under mullahs, they can't live under dictators, they can't live under Al queda, ( E.g. Women and muslim minorities like hazars, and shia's )

The tilt of power is shifting. They are so obsessed with all the Khalifa's and what they were able to do under muslim NATO.




Mayan's were so got damned true " 2012" is gonna change the world.


I am shuddering on thoughts what will happens to non muslims under so called just muslims

Muslims are just known for stealing, looting, raping, and violence. And people have to love them kiss them and bend over backwards.

Wow you're like the opposite extremist nutjob. Granted, muslims tend to be somewhat militant in general but to say all muslims are thieves/rapists/murderers is just fucking retarded.

 

[The Green Bean]

Unfortunately this is typical for a very large percentage of Muslims, perhaps a majority. They will go to any lengths to insist on OBL's innocence whilst simultaneously worshiping him as a second Muhammad for the very act.

You failed English comprehension right? Or are you retarded?

 

[dabuddha]

You failed English comprehension right? Or are you retarded?

Typical TGB response No real response so attacking the poster.

 

[Lemon law]

Chuimak says, "I am not trying to project india, india has failed as a disaster. With one caveat it is not going backward like Pakistan."

Actually Pakistan was going forward too, at least until Mushsheff leased GWB a road into Afghanistan. And since then the USA and Nato have done a fine job of screwing up the entire region sending Pakistan backwards.

At India as a dedicated neutral nation is smart enough to not allow foreign help of that type. Or let anyone have boots on the ground access to their nation. India learned that lesson when it allowed those friendly helpful Brits set to up the East India company. And rather quickly the British were acting like owned the whole place, and in fact did, until the Indians finally gave the Brits the ole heave ho in 1948.

 

[dabuddha]

Chuimak says, "I am not trying to project india, india has failed as a disaster. With one caveat it is not going backward like Pakistan."

Actually Pakistan was going forward too, at least until Mushsheff leased GWB a road into Afghanistan. And since then the USA and Nato have done a fine job of screwing up the entire region sending Pakistan backwards.

At India as a dedicated neutral nation is smart enough to not allow foreign help of that type. Or let anyone have boots on the ground access to their nation. India learned that lesson when it allowed those friendly helpful Brits set to up the East India company. And rather quickly the British were acting like owned the whole place, and in fact did, until the Indians finally gave the Brits the ole heave ho in 1948.

Yes it's the US and Nato's fault that pakistan is a shithole LOL

 

[werepossum]

Yes it's the US and Nato's fault that pakistan is a shithole LOL

Standard leftist position. Everything bad is the fault of the USA, the Great Satan, and our minion the West. If something bad absolutely, positively cannot be blamed on American and Western intervention, then it must be blamed on the lack of American and Western intervention.

 

[routan]

You said Indian government is maligning Mughals.. I rebutted saying it is not true. Indian government.. and its people consider Mughals to be a part of our history. I asked you about Auragazeb because he was known to be oppressive when compared to his predecessors.. he tried to implement sharia law and destroyed churches, temples and everything which is not deemed to be "Islamic."

Having Hindus in high ranking positions does not mean everything was well and good..especially when it comes to their governance. Even East India company employed a lot of Indians. People of other religions were made to be paid much higher taxes.. they were just basically living a second rate life in their own land.

This is a good example of how Indians and Hindus profer lies and falsity. You gave me the example of one ruler as an "oppressive" Mughal. I gave you two which arent. Then you continue to profer argument that the Mughals were unkind to the Hindus, in spite of my providing fact that one Mughal emperor married (atleast) one Hindu, and one Mughal's mother was a Hindu.

Since you have already accepted that you learned about the Mughals through Indian text books, and it is abundantly clear that you hold the Mughals in bad light, it is not a stretch to see that the your views come from the information provided via these text books. It is not that the Indian government maligns Mughals. It is that anything Islamic/Muslim is portrayed in a negative light, because just like you stated, it is the "land of Hindus".

 

[OCGuy]

Chuimak says, "I am not trying to project india, india has failed as a disaster. With one caveat it is not going backward like Pakistan."

Actually Pakistan was going forward too, at least until Mushsheff leased GWB a road into Afghanistan. And since then the USA and Nato have done a fine job of screwing up the entire region sending Pakistan backwards.

At India as a dedicated neutral nation is smart enough to not allow foreign help of that type. Or let anyone have boots on the ground access to their nation. India learned that lesson when it allowed those friendly helpful Brits set to up the East India company. And rather quickly the British were acting like owned the whole place, and in fact did, until the Indians finally gave the Brits the ole heave ho in 1948.

The fact that people actually think like this amazes me....

 

[Lemon law]

The fact that people actually think like this amazes me....

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The fact that people like OCGuy can't connect the dots, and notice it is in fact true, also amazes me.

Look what the USA did in Vietnam, killed 2 million Vietnamese in the process, and lost anyway. The death tole was not so high in Iraq, but we dislocated more than 2 million.
And now as the USA is poised to leave Iraq, its still unstable. As for Afghanistan, its a bigger mess than it was on 911, and the formerly stable tribal areas of Pakistan are really a new and intractable mess. 60 years ago the USA knew how to national build, as we converted Japan and Germany from enemies to allies, and lets not forget the Marshall plan. After that there is little results for a liberal to be proud of. But if I were a conservative I would be equally repulsed by out track record results too.

If you think we are doing a fine job, please OCGuy, you need to grow a brain.

 

[chucky2]

And you - and every other Bleeding Heart/Loony Lib out there - would be equally repulsed by the measures it'd take for us to properly nation build, leading to the failure of a proper nation building effort before it even took root. You want the results, but you don't want the national effort, and affects of that effort, expended. Bravo.

 

[busydude]

Wow you're like the opposite extremist nutjob. Granted, muslims tend to be somewhat militant in general but to say all muslims are thieves/rapists/murderers is just fucking retarded.

No shortage of them.. on either sides of the border.

 

[busydude]

This is a good example of how Indians and Hindus profer lies and falsity.

Way to generalize.. you and TGB are adept at straw man.

It is that anything Islamic/Muslim is portrayed in a negative light, because just like you stated, it is the "land of Hindus".

LMAO.. do you know that there is no common civil code in India.. people are persecuted according to the religion they follow(At least for civil cases).