Afghan Militants Intrude Pakistan and kill 27 troop

[chimak]

This is a good example of how Indians and Hindus profer lies and falsity. You gave me the example of one ruler as an "oppressive" Mughal. I gave you two which arent. Then you continue to profer argument that the Mughals were unkind to the Hindus, in spite of my providing fact that one Mughal emperor married (atleast) one Hindu, and one Mughal's mother was a Hindu.

Since you have already accepted that you learned about the Mughals through Indian text books, and it is abundantly clear that you hold the Mughals in bad light, it is not a stretch to see that the your views come from the information provided via these text books. It is not that the Indian government maligns Mughals. It is that anything Islamic/Muslim is portrayed in a negative light, because just like you stated, it is the "land of Hindus".

A Video confession is not a valid proof. Hindus were just living a tribals.

This is a good example of how muslims in general profer lies and falsity plus we can just see the one example of what Pakistani history teaches about east Pakistan. one more example. how Pakistani and muslims teach true history or current events. Is west needling in middle east cause of Muslim faith or cause of oil.

Oh my GOD a muhgal got a hindu wife, hindu wazir, was she a war trophy, or not. a kaffir women is allowed in ISLAM as a Trophy.

Is it that you can't see the atrocities which were done under the name of ISLAM and MUSLIMS. Not just in india but everywhere.

Why would a ruler kill it's slaves, why incite the rebellion ???/ why not collect dhimmi tax.

Since you learned about Mughals and muslim invasion from muslim textbook it is abundantly clear that you hold the Mughals and muslims in good light. It is not a stretch to see that your views come from the information provided via these text books. it in no that the pakistani and muslim government Glorifies Mughals. It is that anything that said against ISLAM/Muslims is portrayed as a evil is a lie.

 

[chimak]

We can go back and forth about everything. But then i would be labeled as a troll. Which i have been.

So i am going to stop.

 

[routan]

Way to generalize.. you and TGB are adept at straw man.



LMAO.. do you know that there is no common civil code in India.. people are persecuted according to the religion they follow(At least for civil cases).

Funnily enough, at least one Mughal emperor set up common law where Muslims were persecuted according to Islamic Law, Hindu law applied to Hindus, and only criminal law was uniform.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehangir

In civil cases, Islamic law applied to Muslims, Hindu law applied to Hindus, while criminal law was the same for both Muslims and Hindus

While I would be more than happy to give you the benefit of doubt and consider you as a bias-free person, your views are easily categorised in the anti-Muslim, Islamphobic bucket as, say, chimak.

 

[routan]

A Video confession is not a valid proof. Hindus were just living a tribals.

This is a good example of how muslims in general profer lies and falsity plus we can just see the one example of what Pakistani history teaches about east Pakistan. one more example. how Pakistani and muslims teach true history or current events. Is west needling in middle east cause of Muslim faith or cause of oil.

Oh my GOD a muhgal got a hindu wife, hindu wazir, was she a war trophy, or not. a kaffir women is allowed in ISLAM as a Trophy.

Is it that you can't see the atrocities which were done under the name of ISLAM and MUSLIMS. Not just in india but everywhere.

Why would a ruler kill it's slaves, why incite the rebellion ???/ why not collect dhimmi tax.

Since you learned about Mughals and muslim invasion from muslim textbook it is abundantly clear that you hold the Mughals and muslims in good light. It is not a stretch to see that your views come from the information provided via these text books. it in no that the pakistani and muslim government Glorifies Mughals. It is that anything that said against ISLAM/Muslims is portrayed as a evil is a lie.

Akbar's wife: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodhabai

Read about it and educate yourself.

Contrary to your beliefs, my education has been in the United States, a far superior secular country than a falsely secular India.

I dont know what Pakistani education teaches. This is a good way to deflect criticism of Hindu India.

Why wouldnt an "oppressive" ruler get rid of the Hindus? He has control of the armed forces. He can get rid of the Hindus just so that there is no chance of a rebellion. A ruler who is more concerned about "dhimmi" tax is not an oppressive ruler, just a greedy one.

So your entire bolded underlined comment is a wash.

 

[busydude]

Funnily enough, at least one Mughal emperor set up common law where Muslims were persecuted according to Islamic Law, Hindu law applied to Hindus, and only criminal law was uniform.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehangir



While I would be more than happy to give you the benefit of doubt and consider you as a bias-free person, your views are easily categorised in the anti-Muslim, Islamphobic bucket as, say, chimak.

You think I am anti-muslim just because I disagree with your POV? Do you know why Pakistan is doing much worse than India?

So.. me bashing Pakistan's government/ military and backing India's policy makes me anti-Islam? Your mentality is extremely similar to that of Pakistan's.. that is the reason why Pakistan is in such a bad state. I have responded to you countless times that India is not a Hindu state.. contrary to your assessment.

Sorry man.. there is no citation for what you have posted on Jehangir.. and providing a link from Wikipedia without any references is not a good habit.

 

[chimak]

Akbar's wife: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodhabai

Read about it and educate yourself.

Contrary to your beliefs, my education has been in the United States, a far superior secular country than a falsely secular India.

I dont know what Pakistani education teaches. This is a good way to deflect criticism of Hindu India.

Why wouldnt an "oppressive" ruler get rid of the Hindus? He has control of the armed forces. He can get rid of the Hindus just so that there is no chance of a rebellion. A ruler who is more concerned about "dhimmi" tax is not an oppressive ruler, just a greedy one.

So your entire bolded underlined comment is a wash.

First of all india becoming secular is because of the " HISTORICAL CONTEXT" it is not because of choice. Read the history you will learn. I would have preferred a 20 year civil war then rather then now.


From the same article



In Tuzuk-e-Jahangiri she is referred as Mariam Zamani.[7] Neither the Akbarnama (a biography of Akbar commissioned by Akbar himself), nor any historical text from the period refer to her as Jodha Bai.[7] Tuzk-e-Jahangiri, the autobiography of Jahangir, doesn't mention Jodha Bai either.[1]


Where the HELL they don't even call her by her HINDU name. So she was forced to convert to ISLAM ...........why didn't the husband convert to hinduism or buddhism .???????????

DON'T TELL ME YOU HAVE HER INTERVIEW HOW SHE FELT.

Now as you are so just in pointing out wikipedia article do read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus#By_Arabs

Do know all this are done under the name of allah.
Obviously it is all lie. Every word of it is a lie.

JUST BECAUSE OF THIS ONE HINDU WOMEN TAKEN AS A WIFE mughals are just.

WHO IS AN IDIOT?

 

[chimak]

Just look at the condition of every minority in muslim world.


Who is an idiot.

 

[chimak]

Deleted Repost........again sorry error from my part.

 

[chimak]

REPOSTED .........error from my side

 

[chimak]

Funnily enough, at least one Mughal emperor set up common law where Muslims were persecuted according to Islamic Law, Hindu law applied to Hindus, and only criminal law was uniform.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehangir



While I would be more than happy to give you the benefit of doubt and consider you as a bias-free person, your views are easily categorised in the anti-Muslim, Islamphobic bucket as, say, chimak.

LMAO.................THERE IS NO CITATION INCLUDED ABOUT THE QUOTE. Did you wrote the quote yourself or a Muslim.

WHAT HILARITY.

When did i gave the impression that i am not a ISLAMPHOBIC. I am a ISLAMOPHBIC......................Please go over and re read the whole thread. Sir.

YOU CAN'T EVEN READ PROPERLY.


A MUSLIM RULER doesn't want to start a mass rebellion .... so lets assume some leeway. ......................LMAO


See the same quote there is no citation.

WHO THE FUCK IS THE IDIOT. ME OR YOU. You are so LOGICAL person


We live in constant threat of bosina, while muslims from there holy book constantly preach inside there MOSQUE .........how kill the kaffirs, rape there women, loot them. It is LEGAL according to there BOOK.

I feel so secure. Warm inside ......considering what they preach in there mosque by the religious speaker.

Wow a Muslim ruler is smart enough not to incite a mass rebellion over its subject. It is actually smart move nor a JUST MOVE

Lets say i have to rule over ARABIA..........I would be stupid to not allow them leeway otherwise a mass rebellion.

Do you understand the LOGIC or are you AMERICAN educated Stupid.

Forget about it ..........you and your LOGIC. LMAO.

What an education.

I am going to give you some leeway thinking that you are not totally anti hindu and prejudiced towards us cow worshipers. Or accusing of pro muslim stance.

Why didn't he kill all of them again rebellion and not a easy task. Or you are totally devoid of logic.

Lets see how secular USA stays when muslims start demaning a separte homeland. Just today i read that some Australian mullah gave fatwa that any women who doesn't cover up is open piece of MEAT.


SUCH A WARM FEELING FOR AUSTRALIAN WOMEN.

 

[chimak]

See this is how typical educated muslim mind works. they quote stuff which has no citation included. And consider them GOSPEL TRUTH no no A Koranic QUOTE

What an education and LOGICAL thinking. Do you have interview of average people of that time of that felt......there must be some in muslim books plus video clips.

MUSLIMS ARE SO JUST. Oh my GOD they married one HINDU women.




It is not that i consider you to be against Hindu or anti other religion.

It is just a Muslim mentality. The victor of that time were MUSLIMS and they wrote the history.

There is actually no point talking to you really.

Please read the thread again i am an ISLAMOPHOBIC.

Just a recent example ...................Without a dictator who died in EGYPT ...........christian.............By preferred Muslim way of Killing .................BURNING. And they believe in one GOD.

It is actually a Zionist consipricay.

 

[chimak]

There is no point talking to a MUSLIM..............

1 ) a Video confession is not a proof.
2 ) Profess thing which have no citation but has to truth cause Muslims are just.
3 ) Married into a HINDU women..........what a proof of justice...........it is other thing that not even her hindu name was wiped out and given a muslim name.
4 ) Says i am might not be a islamphoic. while i continuously spew venom on ISLAM. So can't even read.
5 ) Says why not killed all the hindus, is it easy to kill so many people without backlash............. Why kill when you can milk them silly.


Muslims are the JUST, Honest, Noble. people of this world. It is the world's fault that people hate ISLAM.

What kind of idiot ruler starts a mass rebellion........or are you just plain stupid. Don't go and start an empire you would fail as a disaster.

Even though i am an Atheist, i thank GOD for the likes of every rebel and Europeans.........we at least have the desert states, semi arid states, without much water to live. And thanks this corrupt government that we at least survived for 65 years.

I hate ISLAM.

 

[chimak]

YOU ARE ACTUALLY BIGOTED, FULL OF HYPOCRISY. and ignorance plus devoid of logic.

You are so obviously anti-hindu but you call me to chide saying that i am not a islamophbic..........while i am cleanly saying i am anti-ISLAM.


There is no real POINT in talking while you are so ANTI-US.

 

[OutHouse]

^^^

Ummm wow. Havent seen a religious fight like that in a while. No wonder you fuckers keep killing each other.

 

[OutHouse]

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The fact that people like OCGuy can't connect the dots, and notice it is in fact true, also amazes me.

Look what the USA did in Vietnam, killed 2 million Vietnamese in the process, and lost anyway. The death tole was not so high in Iraq, but we dislocated more than 2 million.
And now as the USA is poised to leave Iraq, its still unstable. As for Afghanistan, its a bigger mess than it was on 911, and the formerly stable tribal areas of Pakistan are really a new and intractable mess. 60 years ago the USA knew how to national build, as we converted Japan and Germany from enemies to allies, and lets not forget the Marshall plan. After that there is little results for a liberal to be proud of. But if I were a conservative I would be equally repulsed by out track record results too.

If you think we are doing a fine job, please OCGuy, you need to grow a brain.

We took over japan and germany through total war. Those two countries surrendered uncoditionally. our generals were in total charge to nation build. That will never happen again.

 

[chimak]

^^^

Ummm wow. Havent seen a religious fight like that in a while. No wonder you fuckers keep killing each other.

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See a Muslim see themselves as the pious people, they have there own in-doctrine......................................if other side sees them as oppressor .......it is a crime. How dare you?

In muslim ethos others view point is not counted at all.

They behave like they posses the interviews and feeling of average hindus of that time.......... how they felt living under Muslims.

Look at his hypocrisy he says he likes america's secularism ...............but it is america who has oppressed the Muslims in MID EAST. he is obviously anti hindu, but he can't come out in open.

Is it a secret what America has done in mid east or for that matter everywhere.

 

[Kadarin]

We took over japan and germany through total war. Those two countries surrendered uncoditionally. our generals were in total charge to nation build. That will never happen again.

Not in the Muslim world, not. Not while their values are so incompatible with those we hold dear.

 

[Lonbjerg]

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See a Muslim see themselves as the pious people, they have there own in-doctrine......................................if other side sees them as oppressor .......it is a crime. How dare you?

In muslim ethos others view point is not counted at all.

They behave like they posses the interviews and feeling of average hindus of that time.......... how they felt living under Muslims.

Look at his hypocrisy he says he likes america's secularism ...............but it is america who has oppressed the Muslims in MID EAST. he is obviously anti hindu, but he can't come out in open.

Is it a secret what America has done in mid east or for that matter everywhere.

Do like me...just draw mooh-hammed...and watch them go apeshit.

So far I havn't seen a muslim counter a mooh-hammed cartoon *shurgs*

 

[dabuddha]

Do like me...just draw mooh-hammed...and watch them go apeshit.

So far I havn't seen a muslim counter a mooh-hammed cartoon *shurgs*

Sadly a majority of Indians are the same way. No where near as bad as muslims mind you but our people's do love a good riot for stupid shit.

 

[chimak]

Ohh come on.

Isn't second name for cowardliness=a hindu.
This is the reason why india is always fucked, we have the enemy within.

Lets see what muslim plot next.

 

[routan]

You think I am anti-muslim just because I disagree with your POV? Do you know why Pakistan is doing much worse than India?

So.. me bashing Pakistan's government/ military and backing India's policy makes me anti-Islam? Your mentality is extremely similar to that of Pakistan's.. that is the reason why Pakistan is in such a bad state. I have responded to you countless times that India is not a Hindu state.. contrary to your assessment.

Sorry man.. there is no citation for what you have posted on Jehangir.. and providing a link from Wikipedia without any references is not a good habit.

I dont recall when you last bashed Pakistan's government or military, and frankly, I dont care. I have even alluded to Pakistan in my discussion with you at all. The discussion between you and I has centered mostly around you bashing Muslims, specifically with respect to the Mughal rulers.

You referred to the land as Hindu land in the following post
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31838409&postcount=295

Now you are doubting the reference I provided with respect to one Mughal emperor. Can you provide me with citation to all your 8th, 9th, etc grade text books, from which you learned the "history" of the Mughals?

Additionally, if you are so pro-Indian policy, you must be backing the armed occupation/suppression of the people of Kashmir. If India is really so democratic and secular, why dont you petition the government to hold a referendum there? There is precedence, Quebec had a referendum to secede from Canada. I am sure the "beacon light of democracy and secularism" in the region can do the same.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Indias greatest problem isn't the Hindu religion, it's the archaic traditions in some parts, the same holds true for Pakistan, it's not Islam that is the real problem even if it's usually used for justification just as Baasha uses his religion for justification.

India could be thriving but unfortunately has learned nothing from Gandhi, taking care of your own nation instead of viewing everyone as an individual acting on his own is a problem for both India and Pakistan and leads to tribe within, primitive tribes with despicable cultures.

 

[busydude]

The discussion between you and I has centered mostly around you bashing Muslims, specifically with respect to the Mughal rulers.

You are putting words in my mouth. Mughal rulers did discriminate people who belonged to different religions.. does that mean I am bashing Muslims?

You referred to the land as Hindu land in the following post
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...&postcount=295

I think you liked to a wrong post of mine.

Can you provide me with citation to all your 8th, 9th, etc grade text books, from which you learned the "history" of the Mughals?

You know the answer.

Additionally, if you are so pro-Indian policy, you must be backing the armed occupation/suppression of the people of Kashmir.

Damn, you don't have the slightest idea do you?

Did you even care to learn about the things that happen on the other side of the border? I'll just provide you with some cliff notes:

It all started with Operation Gibraltar. Pakistan sent in few thousands of its troops, disguised as civilians, to start a major insurgency in Kashmir. Needless to say, the operation failed and India went to wage a war with Pakistan in 1965.

India got even more wary of Pakistan and stationed troops to protect her borders and its security. Without that.. India would be a major hell hole.. even worse than Pakistan. FYI, there were four wars between India and Pakistan, and all of them were started by Pakistan.

You turn a blind eye to all the misdeeds that Pakistan did in that region(it's fairly obvious why you would do that) and only talk about Kashmir just because it is convenient for you to do so.

 

[routan]

You are putting words in my mouth. Mughal rulers did discriminate people who belonged to different religions.. does that mean I am bashing Muslims?

I think you liked to a wrong post of mine.

You know the answer.

Damn, you don't have the slightest idea do you?

Did you even care to learn about the things that happen on the other side of the border? I'll just provide you with some cliff notes:

It all started with Operation Gibraltar. Pakistan sent in few thousands of its troops, disguised as civilians, to start a major insurgency in Kashmir. Needless to say, the operation failed and India went to wage a war with Pakistan in 1965.

India got even more wary of Pakistan and stationed troops to protect her borders and its security. Without that.. India would be a major hell hole.. even worse than Pakistan. FYI, there were four wars between India and Pakistan, and all of them were started by Pakistan.

You turn a blind eye to all the misdeeds that Pakistan did in that region(it's fairly obvious why you would do that) and only talk about Kashmir just because it is convenient for you to do so.

Some Mughal rulers may have discriminated. Heck, having civil law different for different religions in India is also discrimination. Yet, you do not condemn current Indian set up. But you do condemn the Mughals. Other Mughals, which I did cite were very tolerant and open to all religious view points. Heck, Akbar even started some crap called Din Ilahi or something like that. Your negative bias towards Mughals does show your partiality against Muslims.

No, the post is exact. Your last line in the referenced post is exactly what I claimed you stated.

Yes, I do know the answer. You cannot provide any citation. But you do rely solely on Indian textbooks for your basis of Mughal knowledge and refuse to accept an unchallenged Wiki entry.

To be honest, I really do not care about Pakistan, nor of its misdeeds or misadventures. It is where it is because of its poor choices and actions in the past. Nonetheless, I still dont see why you cannot petition to hold a referendum in Kashmir. Why do you shy away from that question? Do you propose that Pakistan, which is such a shithole, would be able to manouver an outcome of a whole province beneficial to itself?

One of my kashmiri friends recently sent me an article: http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2009/9/47665_space.html

Is this also Pakistan's doing? Indian soldiers committing suicide and killing their colleagues? Seriously?

 

[busydude]

"Is this also Pakistan's doing? Indian soldiers committing suicide and killing their colleagues? Seriously?"

You are just reaffirming my notion that you have no idea what you are taking about. Google "suicides in armed forces" and you will get the answer. You don't even have the basic understanding of human psychology.