JohnOfSheffield
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It's kindergarten stuff compared to walking through a Taliban camp and still pepole like Lemon Law supports these actions.
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It's kindergarten stuff compared to walking through a Taliban camp and still pepole like Lemon Law supports these actions.
JohnOfSheffield
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The debt will be collected from the IMF, you'r nation will be our bitch for a long time...
Sucks to be you.
Kid, are you joking? Most modern countries have departed from the British caste system quite a while ago while you guys are still worshiping one inbred family. Get real.
Get a backbone or some balls and throw down the shackles of your peasantdom.
I'm still laughing at how you thought that the UK economy wasn't stagnant and the booming Indian economy was stagnant. LOL, good one, kid!
Well, in that case, because you said so, I must humbly apologize, coz even though my assumption is right, there is no way that the Indian government can malign the former Mughals.
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Yet you Mongoloid Vikings seemed to have done just that. Not saying much for you guys.
Your nation is already a bitch, the bitch of the US. However, I'm actually moving away from Iceland. I'm now going to Greenland.
That makes no sense. Peasants aren't allowed to own property or have money. Thus, it's impossible to owe anything to these British peasants. Mongolian-Icelandic people owe nothing to the UK, unlike the British people who are basically American dogs.
Chuck, most of your points are valid and true.
But I dont see how it contradicts what I was trying to communicate vis a vis my response to chucky2 where he/she is pointedly blaming Pakistan for not doing enough?
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busydude
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School textbooks don't even malign Pakistan FFS.. let alone Mughals. I don't even remember reading a single paragraph being critical of Jinnah. Books we read in school tend to shy away from controversy as much as possible.. exact opposite of what you think.
http://www.cbse.nic.in/secondary_sch_curr_vol1_2011-2009.pdf
Grades 9 and 10.. pages 76 thru 90.
8th grade: http://www.cbseviii.com/ncert/syllabus
Things have been updated to reflect changes, but the gist remains the same.
I don't think it is possible in the normal sense of the word. Of course you could open your search criteria up to include a lot of false positives (kind of like nuking a country to destroy its schools). Other than that, how would it be possible?
I'm the same person you responded to before. And I guess I should clear up by what I meant by 'problem':
It's not a real logistical problem to find these Millions of illegals, nor ship them back to Mexico.
It would be a problem socially, because internally you'd have the businesspeople (mostly right) going to the political folks saying, WTF, don't rock the boat, we've got slave labor going on here, and senseamp needs his lettuce .10c cheaper. On the other side, you'd have White Guilter's and/or Bleeding Hearts (left) having cry in's, whine in's, demonstrations walking hand in hand with illegal mothers holding their crying kids, and The Media eating it up. Politicians simply can't handle doing the right thing in those social circumstances, and would cave on the roundup and deportation of those Millions of illegals, plus, would cave on actually locking down the border (first time Border Patrol/US Military killed an illegal invader, The Media would make a field day out of it, further inciting Bleeding Hearts/White Guilter's).
Pakistan has largely the same problem, except a tougher geographical time on the lockdown due to terrain...but, it could be done if they wanted to: They simply don't politically, due to the social dynamics of their public, and internally in their political, military, and intelligence circles.
Chuck
Lemon law
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Somewhat one total fool of this thread is Chucky2, as he says, "Politicians not doing what is best for the country because it's politicially best not to, i.e. they're sellouts, and effectively, traitors."
Traitors to whom Chucky2? Maybe to the USA and Nato, but you totally forget, Pakistani foreign policy objectives are not the same as US and Nato foreign policy goals.
And worse yet, the USA and Nato due to their own incompetence has made a mess out of their whole region.
That and the fact you have it the other way around, when the USA and Nato are guests in their country, Nato and the USA are total fools if they think they can order the Pakistanis around like servants. Its nothing but your delusional chutzpah.
Traitors to whom Chucky2? Maybe to the USA and Nato, but you totally forget, Pakistani foreign policy objectives are not the same as US and Nato foreign policy goals.
And worse yet, the USA and Nato due to their own incompetence has made a mess out of their whole region.
That and the fact you have it the other way around, when the USA and Nato are guests in their country, Nato and the USA are total fools if they think they can order the Pakistanis around like servants. Its nothing but your delusional chutzpah.
Somewhat one total person who posts bizarrely is Lemon law, as he says, "I cannot figure out the quote system and have to make weird intro's to my responses."
I'm not sure how you cannot read my posts and figure out who I'm referring to: If you're a US politician and not doing everything you can politically to lock down the border to stem the illegal invasion - forget deporting, lets just get the border locked down - then you're quite simply a traitor to the US. What is there to debate about? What elected politician willfully allows their country to be invaded, and isn't a traitor? I'd have thought that would be easy to understand, but I can see, like the Quote functionality on this board, you've failed to grasp that.
In regards to Pakistani politicians, I actually give them much more leeway than my own US politicians. Pakistani politicians are Pakistani, and as such, have highly likely grown up their entire lives under indoctrination/brainwashing of that Pakistani environment. Their civilian populace in the controlled areas the same. Their civilian populace in their less controlled areas the same. So they're representing people who in large %'s don't hate the Taliban/AQ with the sane vigor of someone from the West. As such, it's got to be hard to be a Pakistani politician who has at least somewhat of a Western mindset, to operate in Pakistan and keep getting elected.
While I agree with you that the US and NATO have made a mess of things there, it's likely for different reasons.
That notwithstanding, that really doesn't excuse the Pakistani political Leadership from the bed they've made for themselves. Had they not allowed the brainwashing of their populace, they'd have a lot less hard time expending the political capital to truly remove the vast majority of the Taliban/AQ problem in their 'house'.
P.S. The US/NATO really isn't ordering the Pakistani's around, especially in their own house. Where and How you got that, I'm not quite sure...
I'm not sure how you cannot read my posts and figure out who I'm referring to: If you're a US politician and not doing everything you can politically to lock down the border to stem the illegal invasion - forget deporting, lets just get the border locked down - then you're quite simply a traitor to the US. What is there to debate about? What elected politician willfully allows their country to be invaded, and isn't a traitor? I'd have thought that would be easy to understand, but I can see, like the Quote functionality on this board, you've failed to grasp that.
In regards to Pakistani politicians, I actually give them much more leeway than my own US politicians. Pakistani politicians are Pakistani, and as such, have highly likely grown up their entire lives under indoctrination/brainwashing of that Pakistani environment. Their civilian populace in the controlled areas the same. Their civilian populace in their less controlled areas the same. So they're representing people who in large %'s don't hate the Taliban/AQ with the sane vigor of someone from the West. As such, it's got to be hard to be a Pakistani politician who has at least somewhat of a Western mindset, to operate in Pakistan and keep getting elected.
While I agree with you that the US and NATO have made a mess of things there, it's likely for different reasons.
That notwithstanding, that really doesn't excuse the Pakistani political Leadership from the bed they've made for themselves. Had they not allowed the brainwashing of their populace, they'd have a lot less hard time expending the political capital to truly remove the vast majority of the Taliban/AQ problem in their 'house'.
P.S. The US/NATO really isn't ordering the Pakistani's around, especially in their own house. Where and How you got that, I'm not quite sure...
If anything, it's you who are delusional. The fact of the matter is that the guy who caused more deaths than Tojo at Pearl Harbor was found living it up right in the center of the military establishment. Under any other circumstance, this would be considered an act of war but some foreign policy luddites in the State Dept. still thinks it "owes" the ungrateful beloved patriot military for having "abandoned" it after the cold war, so they provide it with yet another yard of rope. It's time the rope is yanked.
As for it's "foreign policy", the military weasels have time and again been rescued by the U.S. after their follies on their eastern front in 1965, 71, 99, the Indian parliament attack, 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks and didn't complain when the money and military manna came raining down after 9/11. The pakis signed up to be servants (after all that's the only thing they're good at) but suddenly have become uppity.
At the end of the day, the only thing the beloved patriot army is good at is terrorizing and invading it's own country because when it tried it's stunts against India, it has always got it's ass kicked and handed back to it in a platter.
Where did i gave the impression indians are enjoying india................where did you learn parsis......don't want to live in india.??????????? Parsi are the pride of india............Show me the quote.......i ask you please. I keep saying india's problem are poverty and corruption.
What are you talking about.??????????? What are you reading sir.
Now you say MUGHALS weren't cruel..............well what kind of idiot will kill of this free slaves, more bodies, more resources .............more non muslim population.......more dhimmi taxes.............do read up about mughal TAX collection system...........FUCKSHIT.
NOW does BLACK Population still survive in American continent or not. Does it disapprove slavery?????
I am not here to project india and india's secularism...........what ever india's ill Is there it is for anyone to see.
I Am Here To Disapprove GREEN BEEN that muslim are discriminated against without there fault. You can keep reading the muslim consipricy theory but truth reamins the same. All NON MUSLIM all over the world not just india feel threatened by muslim and there Mullahs,,,,,,,,,there tyranny. Look at average HINDU vs muslim who is physically strong
You say were Mughal's not tyranical and why hindus didn't leave .................THEY FUCKING LEFT ........for NEPAL, in the jungles everywhere out of the INDUS river Kashmir valley...........FUCKHEAD READ THE NEPAL DEMOGRAPHICS ........NOW WHERE ELSE THE HINDU HAS TO GO ARABIAN SEA.
Hell motherfucker it is the Hindu Pandits who left the kashmir and there
ancestral home.
It is the Hindus how left in millions from BANGLADESH from Pakistani Genocide...........of upto 3 million. which even included muslims.
NO sir INDIA'S Current ILL are not majority because of HISTORICAL ILLS ................INDIA IS TOO BLAME FOR MOST OF ITS ILL........
But Many ills are because of TYRANICAL RULES OF MUSLIMS.............GENOCIDE BY MUSLIMS............i can make a hypothetical assumption.......that in those GENOCIDE there have many shivaji who have died, we would have got more land,,,,,,,,,there might have been a reformer of hindu society who died, there might have been an indian version of GENGHIS KHAN who died, and military general. And Hindus were left devoid of there own Enlightenment.
CAN YOU DISAPPROVE IT. No you can't
Look at the indian topography HINDUS area is where..........in desert...........in semi arid places.... in jungles.........in drought prone area.
Now read about shivaji and ruler like them..... whatever HINDUS and hindu land...........you are looking are surviving because of likes of him and europeans not because of MUSLIMS and moghuls.
What great inventions happened UNDER Forward thinking muslims rule in INDIA..........Did cast system got wiped out........why didn't KIND HEARTED MUSLIMS HELPED IN THE REFORM.
If Muslims were so just WHY INDIA has Almost maybe 20% of MUSLIM POPULATION While whole Pakistani AREA has hardly 2 or 2.5% non muslim population.
Why is it that in muslim world there is hardly any minority religion practiced........One WONDERS...........Is it because of prosecution or out of fear or out of genuine belief........... HISTORY IS ALWAYS WRITTEN BY THE VICTOR.
White people can wage wars, muslims can wage war commit genocide but no sir HINDUS are forbidden from there RIGHT of there life to defend themselves to prosper.
All western civilization are enjoying the fruits of BRAVADO, CRUELTY, ATROCITIES OF NUMEROUS KINDS including genocide........IT is because of this they are enjoying AMERICAN CONTINENT. I will agree it was also the foresight, invention, then reform, liberty........but don't forget the HISTORICAL CONTEXT here.
You are totally brainwashed in your MUSLIM love. I mean it is all everyone else fault that people hate muslims so much.........but no sir it all others fault.:whiste: specially hindus, zionist, JEWS, America, west.
While hindu moral duty is to love someone who is in heart Pakistani
Look at muslim population all over the world. Just look at Pakistani in britian..............We will destroy britian, we will rape your women...........look at mullah and what they continuously preach in west .......kill America, Kill Jews.......impose ISLAM..........
They feel Oppressed in india, they feel operssed in pakistan, they feel opressed under mullahs in iran, they feel are opressed under dictators, they feel opressed in democracy of west and india........................i don't know what general population feels in Somalia under AL QUEDA? Why is it only muslim problem, Hell taliban and AL QUEDA opressed Hazars in afghanistan...fellow muslim.
Wow everyone just forget the muslim tyarny............the cult with a prophet who was a simple WARLORD. When i prey to my monkey god i know i am praying to mythological GOD..............it is stupid but i like it.............it is better then praying to a WARLORD.......and following the rules which applies in DESERT AND TRIBAL SOCIETY.
No way pakistan any better actually it is worse course there are laws which are used to supress minority.. you can keep preaching me it is the fucking truth.
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Lemon law
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Tvarad, spoken like a true citizen of India, after all India has a population nearly 6 times that of Pakistan. But if you look over your shoulder you might see the true giant in China if you peek to the North and the East. And one of these days India and China will be locked in a struggle for domination of the Asian continent.
Do you want the Pakistan as an enemy or an ally? If I were from India, I would be thinking damn hard on that question. If India does not do it, you can bet your boots that China will buddy up with Pakistan.
Do you want the Pakistan as an enemy or an ally? If I were from India, I would be thinking damn hard on that question. If India does not do it, you can bet your boots that China will buddy up with Pakistan.
We take full blame for this ill whatever is written in the article.
Now lets go back towards minority rights.........which was and is the main point........read the fucking WIKI article..........it has tons and tons of information.
Now how many cases are hidden under HIJAB ......is for anyone's guess.............Hell rights activist are killed in daylight............where the hell are you gonna listen upto the prosecution of minority in pakistan.
From YOU. Who has friend from all community across the religion spectrum
Why does the country with 2-3% minority needs blasphemy law.:whiste:
Hehe
Lemon law
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Tvarad, spoken like a true citizen of India, after all India has a population nearly 6 times that of Pakistan. But if you look over your shoulder you might see the true giant in China if you peek to the North and the East. And one of these days India and China will be locked in a struggle for domination of the Asian continent.
Do you want the Pakistan as an enemy or an ally? If I were from India, I would be thinking damn hard on that question. If India does not do it, you can bet your boots that China will buddy up with Pakistan.
Do you want the Pakistan as an enemy or an ally? If I were from India, I would be thinking damn hard on that question. If India does not do it, you can bet your boots that China will buddy up with Pakistan.
I saw that video and a few things are clear. That man was not totally innocent. He says I am majboor (I was forced). Then he says the gun was fake. He was using the fake gun to rob people. Then when one of the rangers was told to shoot, the "victim" lunged towards the gun as if trying to grab it.
I'm not trying to defend the Rangers here, but I believe that the were within their rights to shoot. The same would have happened anywhere else. If an American armed mugger failed to kneel and put his hands behind his back, and lunged at a police officer trying to grab his gun, the same would have happened. Or not? However, it was barbaric and unacceptable that they let him bleed to death. He should have been taken to hospital. Maybe the Rangers weren't well trained. The initial media reports suggest that the Rangers did take him to hospital eventually, but by then it was too late. They had shot into an artery and they should have known better than just leaving him there to bleed.
The video also shows a plain clothed officer forcing the man to show his face. The rangers knew they were being taped. Obviously, the thought they would be able to justify the murder in court.
busydude
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She already is. India will never, I mean never.. have friendly ties with Pakistan in foreseeable future.
It's not always the text books that teach history. It is the teachers. One of my high school teachers actually thought that the creation was Pakistan was a bad idea. Then she said the army was barbaric during the Dhaka Fall. The educated class in Pakistan is far more open to criticizing their government and rulers as opposed to the self-proclaimed Indian superpowers. I don't think I could get away with criticizing Gandhi in a Mumbai public forum. Heck, an Indian MP who wrote good things about Jinnah was punished. Freedom of speech? Democracy? My foot.
The Congress actually wants good ties with Pakistan, but elements within the opposition use the anti-Pakistan card for leverage. Then only today an American court acquitted Tahawwur Rana of all charges against him in the Mumbai attacks. The brainwashed Indian public has already started crying foul.
India isn't going to be fighting for the struggle for domination of the continent. It will only fight for its own survival.
Hell it hardly controls its own population. We say in india.........GODS truly exist otherwise how is india functioning.
Look at contrast MAO vs Our Dear Gandhi. Mao did lot of wrong this but he was overall good for china. Look at china now .........indians feel ashamed of ourselves.........at least i do.....................
Our dear leader Gandhi hehe no wonder he chose non violence who he could have hurt by fighting.
CHINA AND PAKISTAN ARE PAJAMA BUDDIES.
Hell it hardly controls its own population. We say in india.........GODS truly exist otherwise how is india functioning.
Look at contrast MAO vs Our Dear Gandhi. Mao did lot of wrong this but he was overall good for china. Look at china now .........indians feel ashamed of ourselves.........at least i do.....................
Our dear leader Gandhi hehe no wonder he chose non violence who he could have hurt by fighting.
CHINA AND PAKISTAN ARE PAJAMA BUDDIES.
So poor don't criticize the government in Pakistan??
The underline part is the only thing true about india which you spoke. totally true................................Lots of indian media shows project that india will become a future superpower ..........and there all this bullshit statistics via e-mails that's get circulated like how many indians are in NASA........and shit like that.
INDO PAK relation will become good ........as you see the muslim population explosion here..........KIDS ARE GODS GIFT.........ISLAM IS IN DANGER........ALLAH WILL TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING. ISLAM HAS TO BE SPREAD.India will surely become muslim majority country by 2050:hmm::hmm: while hindu population is dropping like stone. so there is hope for you. There is also conversion happening. and our dear bangla immigrant friend now they are totally different in human reproduction system.
While Hindus are more likely to do female infanticide............equally barbaric.
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