your attempt to compare people who peaceably protest or support anything whether it be against abortion or for a war (or whatever you don't approve of) with people who beat women for leaving their home without a male escort or cut off the hands of someone who stole something is ignorant at best.
you (and many others) need to realize the need for peaceful opposition in a democracy. everyone should have the right to express their beliefs no matter what they are whether they be "old fashion" and extremely conservative to extremely left wing as long as they do so in a manor that does no harm anyone else.
to compare any sect of mainstream religion (your apparent demon) in america to extremists in the middle east is ludicrous. tell me the last time you saw a story about some "extremist" in the US running into a starbucks strapped with c4 to kill everyone
Nebor
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If that's what you believe, then how do you justify widespread Christian support of the war? In case you haven't noticed, we've blown up a lot of sh!t and killed a lot of people in the middle east in the last few years.
Christians also blew up abortion clinics.
I think that participation in the political process should cost churches their "tax free" status. Along with speaking a disparaging word about anything/i] or excluding anyone from their services.
Nebor
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Christians here run into abortion clinics to kill everyone. Though if our country were invaded, I wouldn't put suicide bombings past them.
Christianity is no better than any other religion, being responsible for the deaths of millions over the centuries. Religion should be, as much as possible, kept seperate from politics and government.
Nik
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I don't justify it -that's really complicated. The positives-versus-negatives of the "war" involve way too many variables. Supporting Hussein's removal of power isn't a bad thing if you remember his mass murder of Irani's and Iraqi's along with who knows how many others from what countries. Then again, that doesn't mean that it's automatically a justification for the murder of innocent civilians along the way or any of that garbage. I'm glad we went after BinLaden, but that seems to be a distant memory anyway
No they didn't. Those responsible for the bombings of abortion clinics were not Christians.
I don't think any institution should be tax-free, but that's just my opinion and I don't have a problem admitting that I don't know enough about the tax system to know if that's a good idea or not with regard to properly funding society. As far as excluding anyone from their services, how do you feel about the Boyscouts and other private organizations that require specific criteria of their members in order to remain members? As far as speaking disparaging words about anyone, how do you feel about politicians that sling mud and get REALLY personal and unprofessional during their campaigns -or shows like Crossfire and Politically Incorrect -or internet forums where people bad mouth each other all the time?
sure can, maybe my point isn't simple enough for you. comparing mainstream antiabortion christian or pro-war "extremists" to al qaeda or the taliban, where it was LAW to beat women if they left their homes without a male escort is LUDICROUS. the wierdest "religious" nut that i can think of recently is the moron that pickets war funerals and yells at fox news reporters...but thats all her "church" does...they don't f'ing bomb random buses, or beat they people the don't like.
its like comparing the high school bully with hitler, it doesn't compute.
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I hear this argument all the time whenenver something negative about christians is mentioned. The same argument can be used for any religion.
Everyone is evil and a sinner according to christians. So why are those christians not christian.. while you, who sin also, are a real christian?
Last time I checked.. the only requirement to be christian is to accept christ as the personal savior.
The reality is.. christians raid abortion clinics for the same reason muslims go on suicide bombings. Neither religion teaches one to do it. But they were convinced it was the right thing to do through their religion. There's no difference.
Nebor
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Now you're getting the base issue we started with: seperation of church and state. If we continue to allow the Christian politiking machine to grow, we could very well end up with "less than secular" laws. Mandatory church attendance, a ban on homosexual behavior, and all sorts of other "Christian" legislation. As if it's not bad enough that the Christians have already cost us stem cell research.
The Christians are just a few decades away from being the American Taliban.
Nik
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I'm a Christian?
Anyway, the Bible says that if you ARE a Christian, than you WILL show the fruits of such spiritual change.
While you're right that accepting christ is the way to salvation in the christian faith, it's obvious that you do not understand what that entails. Before bashing Christianity, I'd suggest you read the Bible with an open mind -perhaps study it so you actually know what the hell you're talking about.
Nebor
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I'm going to go ahead and put a stop to you deciding who is and who is not a Christian. That's not for you to say. It's for each person to say of themselves. Timothy McVeigh said he was a Christian, and all the history books say he was a Christian, so that's good enough for me.
If someone builds an orphanage because God told them to, you say, "What a good Christian." If someone blows up a federal building because God told them to, you say, "He was not a Christian."
I worship a piece of toast and regularly fornicate with a blow up doll of Jesus Christ. And I'm the best Christian there ever was. Says who? Says me.
LOL...because we all know the taliban regime started with picketing and lobbying...fvck, gays picket, maybe they are trying to take over the gov't too and enact all sorts of "gay" legislation...
i'd be more afraid if someone of your persuasion took over the gov't and put everyone associated with any religion in jail or to death...as you seem to think fitting (hmm those sort of actions sound more taliban than any sort of teachings from a church or mosque in the us)
Nik
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We already have less than secular laws. What's your point?
That's not a Christian law. Read Jesus's "Sermon on the Mount" starting in Matthew 5 if you want to know what the "laws" of Christianity are.
haha, that's a whole nother thread
I hate to burst your bubble, but I know Christians who support stem cell research.
:roll: You're damned insane, you know that?
Nebor
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Once it became clear that I was arguing with Christians, I started making teh funnies. I'm not taking this thread seriously at all. To me, arguing with a Christian is equivalent to arguing with someone in an insane asylum. They're not the same sort of person as me. I don't care what you say, what you think, and I don't respect your opinion. You can think less of me for it, and that's fine, because if you're a religious person (any religion) then I already think nothing of you at all.
Uhoh, my blow up Jesus doll is giving me his horny look...
Uhoh, my blow up Jesus doll is giving me his horny look...
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