Aethiests and the ACLU would have a fit over this

[electrosoccertux]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: michaels
I don't know, I just was at a light and spotted it and snapped a pic, I wasn't pay attention to the surroundings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/us/05...1309752000&en=633335bb68bac96a&ei=5088

i would say it is on church property so the ACLU has no claims against it.

But think of all those poor people who have to look at it as they drive by. They have the right to not have to look at it. We should infringe on the church's/people's in church rights so that we don't infringe on the atheist's rights. /not-that-unlikely-to-happen-sarcasm.

But its good to hear most agree that since it's church's property it doesn't matter.

 

[electrosoccertux]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: kranky
Clearly, a lot of people seem upset that something with a religious connotation is visible to the public.

Why this would be, I have no idea. It comes across as a pathological hatred.

I think it might have something to do with them taking an essentially secular american icon and turning it into a Christian marketing ploy.

Well there are plenty of people who would argue that the statue of liberty is a secular icon. We're just now leaving the grass-roots foundation our country had in Christianity. It might not have been legitimate all the time with all the people, but a large reason people came to America from Europe was so they (being puritans) could practice the religion they wanted (Christianity) and not have to practice the religion the state ordained (Catholicism). Thats how we got "separation of church and state." They didn't have a problem with church affecting state, but they had immense reservations against state affecting religion.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: DurocShark
<---driven apeshit and not even in Memphis

Did those people READ the Constitution?

Religious fundamentalists do not care about the Constitution. Not really.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: oogabooga
DurocShark - You were wrong. If your friend agreed with you I advice you two pick up a copy of the constitution.

Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion if you don't want to see it in any way, shape or form. The government doesn't endorse a religion but you're encouraged, nay welcome to participate in whichever form of it you wish.

Speaking of documents people haven't read - have you ever read the ten commandments? If you are going to deny that religion had any influence on constitution and law you're crazy.


Case and point - You spouted off your hate before you even thought hard enough to form a good point. You said something stupid, people called you out on it.

Funny you mention the 10 commandments.
Only two or three(stealing, murder, lying in court) of the commandments can actually be an enforceable law.. the others are just plain stupid.
Can't covet your neighbor's goods? Can't work on sunday? The economy would die if everyone followed the 10 commandments.
Apparently you haven't read the 10 commandments.
:roll:

how would the economy die?

um if there were no desire in goods.. need i explain?

hmm i really do not think it says no desire for goods.


but i thought you were getting at the no work on sunday heh.

covet your neighbor's goods.. or translated to today's terms, desire other's goods

"Keeping up with the Jones's" mentality is one of the greatest factors in destroying people's lives and this country.

... is a matter of opinion. As a matter of fact, our economy runs solely on capitalism and wanting more. Whether or not you like it, is irrelevant.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: BigJ
"Keeping up with the Jones's" mentality is one of the greatest factors in destroying people's lives and this country.

... is a matter of opinion. As a matter of fact, our economy runs solely on capitalism and wanting more. Whether or not you like it, is irrelevant.

You're addressing something I did not say. Do you people not understand what the "Keeping up with the Jones" is?

Where did I say or even imply that I have a problem with captialism and wanting more?

 

[Nebor]

The article about Mr. Boyd made me realize that all of these people who belong to "political churches" that support wars and are anti-abortion, etc. are no different from the religious "extremists" that our military is combating in the middle east. When you mix religion with politics, you get problems.

We need a way to just do away with religion.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: michaels
I don't know, I just was at a light and spotted it and snapped a pic, I wasn't pay attention to the surroundings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/us/05...1309752000&en=633335bb68bac96a&ei=5088

i would say it is on church property so the ACLU has no claims against it.

Why does it matter whether it's on church property or not? Screw the ACLU, I hope the church did it just to spite the ACLU.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Nebor
The article about Mr. Boyd made me realize that all of these people who belong to "political churches" that support wars and are anti-abortion, etc. are no different from the religious "extremists" that our military is combating in the middle east. When you mix religion with politics, you get problems.

We need a way to just do away with religion.

Politics is just as much an illogical and fundamentalist institution as religion can be. Interesting that some people have bigger issues with religion and seemingly no issues with politics.

 

[shoRunner]

Originally posted by: Nebor
The article about Mr. Boyd made me realize that all of these people who belong to "political churches" that support wars and are anti-abortion, etc. are no different from the religious "extremists" that our military is combating in the middle east. When you mix religion with politics, you get problems.

We need a way to just do away with religion.

reading your post made me realize that people that equate being supportive of a war or anti-abortion, with al qaeda or the taliban should be done away with...when you mix stupidity with politics you get problems (notice the current president).

 

[LcarsSystem]

ANYONE who knows what it means to be an American would have a problem with that if it were on public or government property.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
ANYONE who knows what it means to be am American would have a problem with that if it were on public or government property.

I fail to see how this freedom of speech infringes on the rights of others.

 

[LcarsSystem]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
ANYONE who knows what it means to be am American would have a problem with that if it were on public or government property.

I fail to see how this freedom of speech infringes on the rights of others.

Read my post again, then read the constitution, then get back to me, mmkay?


EDIT
Maybe I should add that I think it's stupid, but it's their right. My main problem is if it were to be on government property. Public property it depends on where it was publicly, but the only place that I can think of that is remotely ok is on church grounds. If it were in a public park then I would definitely be upset.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
ANYONE who knows what it means to be am American would have a problem with that if it were on public or government property.

I fail to see how this freedom of speech infringes on the rights of others.

Read my post again, then read the constitution, then get back to me, mmkay?

Oh, I have. Doesn't matter if it's on government property or public property. Don't give me that all-too-often-misinterpreted trite about separation of church and state, either. It was meant to keep the state out of the afairs of the church, not the church out of the afairs of the state.

 

[LcarsSystem]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
ANYONE who knows what it means to be am American would have a problem with that if it were on public or government property.

I fail to see how this freedom of speech infringes on the rights of others.

Read my post again, then read the constitution, then get back to me, mmkay?

Oh, I have. Doesn't matter if it's on government property or public property. Don't give me that all-too-often-misinterpreted trite about separation of church and state, either. It was meant to keep the state out of the afairs of the church, not the church out of the afairs of the state.

Ahhh so we should have church policy influencing our laws that govern us all in our daily lives? Nice to know where you stand. I am for a less authoritarian approach thank you very much.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
ANYONE who knows what it means to be am American would have a problem with that if it were on public or government property.

I fail to see how this freedom of speech infringes on the rights of others.

Read my post again, then read the constitution, then get back to me, mmkay?

Oh, I have. Doesn't matter if it's on government property or public property. Don't give me that all-too-often-misinterpreted trite about separation of church and state, either. It was meant to keep the state out of the afairs of the church, not the church out of the afairs of the state.

Ahhh so we should have church policy influencing our laws that govern us all in our daily lives? Nice to know where you stand. I am for a less authoritarian approach thank you very much.

In a sense, the Church is no different than any other political lobbying group.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
Ahhh so we should have church policy influencing our laws that govern us all in our daily lives? Nice to know where you stand. I am for a less authoritarian approach thank you very much.

Well, most of our laws are (yes "are" not "were") influenced by religion. That's the fact jack whether you want to acknowledge it or not, whether you agree with it or not.

The ACLU going after a church putting this on public property would be a fantastic waste of time and money, and abuse of the court system.

 

[LcarsSystem]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
Ahhh so we should have church policy influencing our laws that govern us all in our daily lives? Nice to know where you stand. I am for a less authoritarian approach thank you very much.

Well, most of our laws are (yes "are" not "were") influenced by religion. That's the fact jack whether you want to acknowledge it or not, whether you agree with it or not.

The ACLU going after a church putting this on public property would be a fantastic waste of time and money, and abuse of the court system.

I acknowledge that a lot of our laws are based off religion, but I also think you'd have to be an idiot to need religion to know that murder is wrong. I contend that even without religion ever existing, man would know that it is still wrong, and would have a law against it all the same, ofcourse there is no way of proving/disproving this.

Edit
Where in any of my posts have I ever mentioned the ACLU or the court system?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: shoRunner

Originally posted by: Nebor
The article about Mr. Boyd made me realize that all of these people who belong to "political churches" that support wars and are anti-abortion, etc. are no different from the religious "extremists" that our military is combating in the middle east. When you mix religion with politics, you get problems.

We need a way to just do away with religion.

reading your post made me realize that people that equate being supportive of a war or anti-abortion, with al qaeda or the taliban should be done away with...when you mix stupidity with politics you get problems (notice the current president).

Religious extremists are religious extremists, no matter which country they're operating in, or what god they're worshipping. We bitch and moan when enemies hide inside buildings of worship (mosques) but if the situation were reversed, the churches would be full of "christian soldiers."

Your attempted parody was lame too. :roll:

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: shoRunner

Originally posted by: Nebor
The article about Mr. Boyd made me realize that all of these people who belong to "political churches" that support wars and are anti-abortion, etc. are no different from the religious "extremists" that our military is combating in the middle east. When you mix religion with politics, you get problems.

We need a way to just do away with religion.

reading your post made me realize that people that equate being supportive of a war or anti-abortion, with al qaeda or the taliban should be done away with...when you mix stupidity with politics you get problems (notice the current president).

Religious extremists are religious extremists, no matter which country they're operating in, or what god they're worshipping. We bitch and moan when enemies hide inside buildings of worship (mosques) but if the situation were reversed, the churches would be full of "christian soldiers."

Your attempted parody was lame too. :roll:

I don't ever see news stories about Christians running suicide bombers into a cafe on the corner or bombing a bus full of school children or setting up IED's and targetting members of the armed forces.

Your analogy of "all of these people who belong to "political churches" that support wars and are anti-abortion" to al quaeda is nothing short of twisted, hateful, and ignorant.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
I acknowledge that a lot of our laws are based off religion, but I also think you'd have to be an idiot to need religion to know that murder is wrong. I contend that even without religion ever existing, man would know that it is still wrong, and would have a law against it all the same, ofcourse there is no way of proving/disproving this.

Edit
Where in any of my posts have I ever mentioned the ACLU or the court system?

Nah, nobody's saying that we need religion to tell us what's right and wrong --although what's wrong with a set of decent morals/ethics, whether you get them from religion or not?

However, criminalizing or making it illegal to display things like the 10 commandments in a court room or show the statue of liberty holding a cross instead of a torch in public is fvcking stupid!

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: Nebor
The article about Mr. Boyd made me realize that all of these people who belong to "political churches" that support wars and are anti-abortion, etc. are no different from the religious "extremists" that our military is combating in the middle east. When you mix religion with politics, you get problems.

We need a way to just do away with religion.

Politics is just as much an illogical and fundamentalist institution as religion can be. Interesting that some people have bigger issues with religion and seemingly no issues with politics.

Where the heck do you come up with this ******?
A study of the best way to govern people is as illogical as a fundamentalist institution?
You have issues.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: shoRunner

Originally posted by: Nebor
The article about Mr. Boyd made me realize that all of these people who belong to "political churches" that support wars and are anti-abortion, etc. are no different from the religious "extremists" that our military is combating in the middle east. When you mix religion with politics, you get problems.

We need a way to just do away with religion.

reading your post made me realize that people that equate being supportive of a war or anti-abortion, with al qaeda or the taliban should be done away with...when you mix stupidity with politics you get problems (notice the current president).

Religious extremists are religious extremists, no matter which country they're operating in, or what god they're worshipping. We bitch and moan when enemies hide inside buildings of worship (mosques) but if the situation were reversed, the churches would be full of "christian soldiers."

Your attempted parody was lame too. :roll:

I don't ever see news stories about Christians running suicide bombers into a cafe on the corner or bombing a bus full of school children or setting up IED's and targetting members of the armed forces.

Your analogy of "all of these people who belong to "political churches" that support wars and are anti-abortion" to al quaeda is nothing short of twisted, hateful, and ignorant.

There have been several Christian Palestinians involved in suicide bombings. People seem to forget that not all Palestinians are Muslim.

In reality, the people in churches in the United States have done far more damage and spread more hate than all the cafe bombings and IEDs combined.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Where the heck do you come up with this ******?
A study of the best way to rule its people is as illogical as a fundamentalist institution?
You have issues.

What, exactly, do you think religion is?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: Nebor
The article about Mr. Boyd made me realize that all of these people who belong to "political churches" that support wars and are anti-abortion, etc. are no different from the religious "extremists" that our military is combating in the middle east. When you mix religion with politics, you get problems.

We need a way to just do away with religion.

Politics is just as much an illogical and fundamentalist institution as religion can be. Interesting that some people have bigger issues with religion and seemingly no issues with politics.

Where the heck do you come up with this ******?
A study of the best way to govern people is as illogical as a fundamentalist institution?
You have issues.

He was hoping to confuse us into submission by typing nonsense.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Nebor
There have been several Christian Palestinians involved in suicide bombings. People seem to forget that not all Palestinians are Muslim.

Violent extremists are not Christians. Just because you hide behind the Christian flag (I'm pretty sure there is one, anyway) doesn't automatically make you a Christian. If you think people running around going "I'M CHRISTIAN I'M CHRISTIAN I'M CHRISTIAN" makes them Christians while they're blowing sh!t up and killing people, you're gravely mistaken.

BinLaden isn't a Muslim.

In reality, the people in churches in the United States have done far more damage and spread more hate than all the cafe bombings and IEDs combined.

Christians don't spread hate. If you see someone on the news shouting that God hates fags and other typical extremist nonsense, I hope you understand that they're not following the religion that they claim to be a part of.