Act of war

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yea cause if I dont hate on him i MUST be a fan ... Sure you not a Trumpster?

Don't worry, he's harmless. He doesn't even think he has a right to defend his family so Europe isn't a priority.

 

[cytg111]

So what? It's just the European Soviet Union, the same thing just a different name.

Stupidity so dense it collapses on itself into a singularity, a singularity of immense retardation, the singularity of taj.
...working on my burns, how was that one?

 

[cytg111]

So what? It's just the European Soviet Union, the same thing just a different name.

Seriously though, you understand what its all about dont you? And why Europe and the Soviet was, and current incarnation on Russia is, so very very opposite of each other? Hint, it is not about "socialism" or in your world who picks up the medical bill, single payer or not ... Its not about that at all.
What is it about? - And why is Europe and the US allies?

 

[Blackjack200]

Don't worry, he's harmless. He doesn't even think he has a right to defend his family so Europe isn't a priority.

What's the opposite of harmless?

 

[Victorian Gray]

So what? It's just the European Soviet Union, the same thing just a different name.

You really should think about comedy as a career,

 

[NostaSeronx]

Act of Cold War 2?

Russia is going to be pretty hard to defeat soon. Most of their post-US tech starts in 2024 and equal is set for late 2018 to early 2019. They also have combined R&D across several other anti-US countries or previous anti-US countries.

If the puppet does well, he would strive to win 2020 by all means. Then, continue to prevent war with Russia.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Act of Cold War 2?

Russia is going to be pretty hard to defeat soon. Most of their post-US tech starts in 2024 and equal is set for late 2018 to early 2019. They also have combined R&D across several other anti-US countries or previous anti-US countries.

If the puppet does well, he would strive to win 2020 by all means. Then, continue to prevent war with Russia.

We build planes to spend money but the former USSR fore combat. With the f-35 being a trillion dollar debacle I expect Russia to have air superiority within a decade. But here's the thing. If Russia starts shooting our planes down then expect there to be considerable fallout, and I mean the kind that makes people "glow".

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Seriously though, you understand what its all about dont you? And why Europe and the Soviet was, and current incarnation on Russia is, so very very opposite of each other? Hint, it is not about "socialism" or in your world who picks up the medical bill, single payer or not ... Its not about that at all.
What is it about? - And why is Europe and the US allies?

The National Socialist Workers Party? The European Soviet Union? Some other unelected bureaucrats overruling a nations sovereignity? Bad habit? Custom?

 

[Blackjack200]

We build planes to spend money but the former USSR fore combat. With the f-35 being a trillion dollar debacle I expect Russia to have air superiority within a decade. But here's the thing. If Russia starts shooting our planes down then expect there to be considerable fallout, and I mean the kind that makes people "glow".

Oh god this is so good.

 

[cytg111]

The National Socialist Workers Party? The European Soviet Union? Some other unelected bureaucrats overruling a nations sovereignity? Bad habit? Custom?

The 1st gives voice to nutjobs everywhere there is a 1st. But good point, it is one of the things we have in common and why we are allies. The concept of "overruling" is the same as your federal government... But true dat, Putins next op will likely be to sow discord between the us member states and break up the united in united states..
Anyway, here is what its all about and why we are allies and why we have a billion times more in common than we with ie. Russia : FREEDOM.
Freedom motherfucker, freedom, free and fair elections, checks and balances that gurantees that absolute power dont have a chance to corrupt absolutely, free press, the fact that you dude, you dude, have the power to vote in a nutjob like Trump. Thats power. Thats freedom. Thats what we have in common. You can pry my freedom from my dead cold hands, if there ever was something worth fighting for, dying for, that is it(apart from our kids of course).

 

[Gryz]

War-mongering idiots.

As yankees have always been. Solve any issue with violence. Yell and cry when an American dies. No problem killing thousands or even millions of foreigners.

You are scared of Russia ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
US - 610 billion USD
China - 228 billion USD
Saudi-Arabia - 69 billion USD
Russia - 66 billion USD

You are spending 10x as much money on your military than Russia. In fact, the US alone count for more than 1/3rd of the world's military budget (610 our of 1740 billion USD). What are you afraid of ? And what did you get for all that money ? 1 Million deaths in Iraq, and you lost that war. 600k People dead in Syria (started by your buddies from Saudi-Arabia, and backed by you. (And the EU. I'm sorry for that). Syria and Libya in shambles. Afghanistan is still a mess, you lost that one too.

You want to fight the real enemy ? Fight your Republican politicians. Maybe your Trump-voters too. They are the real danger to your country. Fight half your multi-nationals, who bring little value to your average citizen, and try to suck them dry. Fight the 1% and the unfair impact that they have on US politics. Fight Fox News and the alt-right media, who spread lies and hate and really really do irrepairable damage to your democracy.

The Russians aren't gonna do much harm to you. If you start a war with them, you've got nothing to gain. But then again, a few million dead people around the globe don't matter you. Because: why not ?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh god this is so good.

There was an interception of old nuclear bombers off the coast of Alaska in the news with our F-22s against the SU -35. In this scenario our f-22 was outmatched by the Russian planes. You do know that as far as aerial combat goes that the Sukhoi are recognized as superior and not by Putin. If there were a Russian/US confrontation over Syria as an example our F-22s would be outmatched.

No doubt you didn't know that. Stealth is great but unlike Trump who thinks our planes are invisible they aren't. The F-35's? One of the greatest planes ever, on paper. Unfortunately they spend their days being in the repair hanger at outrageous costs.

Evidently you didn't know that either. In a decade or two our planes won't be invisible and we're committed to an unreliable design. The Russians won't make that mistake.

As far as other aspects of aerial warfare? The US is far ahead with bombers, but bombers do not fight. In a situation where our fighters and theirs engage that advantage evaporates.

 

[cytg111]

War-mongering idiots.

As yankees have always been. Solve any issue with violence. Yell and cry when an American dies. No problem killing thousands or even millions of foreigners.

You are scared of Russia ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
US - 610 billion USD
China - 228 billion USD
Saudi-Arabia - 69 billion USD
Russia - 66 billion USD

You are spending 10x as much money on your military than Russia. In fact, the US alone count for more than 1/3rd of the world's military budget (610 our of 1740 billion USD). What are you afraid of ? And what did you get for all that money ? 1 Million deaths in Iraq, and you lost that war. 600k People dead in Syria (started by your buddies from Saudi-Arabia, and backed by you. (And the EU. I'm sorry for that). Syria and Libya in shambles. Afghanistan is still a mess, you lost that one too.

You want to fight the real enemy ? Fight your Republican politicians. Maybe your Trump-voters too. They are the real danger to your country. Fight half your multi-nationals, who bring little value to your average citizen, and try to suck them dry. Fight the 1% and the unfair impact that they have on US politics. Fight Fox News and the alt-right media, who spread lies and hate and really really do irrepairable damage to your democracy.

The Russians aren't gonna do much harm to you. If you start a war with them, you've got nothing to gain. But then again, a few million dead people around the globe don't matter you. Because: why not ?

If Putin could incite war in Europe and/or civil war in the US right now, he would do it in a heartbeat... actually he be trying just that. Sure there is more than that to a perfect storm but you cant deny involvement.

 

[Jaskalas]

War-mongering idiots.

As yankees have always been. Solve any issue with violence. Yell and cry when an American dies. No problem killing thousands or even millions of foreigners.

Political and Economic opposition is not violence.

When I see the OP, I think of a call for us to stand up and oppose Russia's attack(s) on us. For us to defend ourselves from their aggression by making them pay a price for it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

War-mongering idiots.

As yankees have always been. Solve any issue with violence. Yell and cry when an American dies. No problem killing thousands or even millions of foreigners.

You are scared of Russia ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
US - 610 billion USD
China - 228 billion USD
Saudi-Arabia - 69 billion USD
Russia - 66 billion USD

You are spending 10x as much money on your military than Russia. In fact, the US alone count for more than 1/3rd of the world's military budget (610 our of 1740 billion USD). What are you afraid of ? And what did you get for all that money ? 1 Million deaths in Iraq, and you lost that war. 600k People dead in Syria (started by your buddies from Saudi-Arabia, and backed by you. (And the EU. I'm sorry for that). Syria and Libya in shambles. Afghanistan is still a mess, you lost that one too.

You want to fight the real enemy ? Fight your Republican politicians. Maybe your Trump-voters too. They are the real danger to your country. Fight half your multi-nationals, who bring little value to your average citizen, and try to suck them dry. Fight the 1% and the unfair impact that they have on US politics. Fight Fox News and the alt-right media, who spread lies and hate and really really do irrepairable damage to your democracy.

The Russians aren't gonna do much harm to you. If you start a war with them, you've got nothing to gain. But then again, a few million dead people around the globe don't matter you. Because: why not ?

It is an act of war but that happens. It can be argued that it was true of Russians and US elections. what matters is the response. No one here is arguing for war, but a substantial response. Putin and his oligarchs have vast fortunes which can be ruined. The act of war isn't by Russia, that is its people, but a few individuals. Make them pay, literally, with their wealth.

 

[FIVR]

This bullshit has really very very very little doubt to it anymore

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/13/...than-us-at-propaganda-opinion-intl/index.html

United Kingdom is member of NATO. So why are we not rolling yet? Seems to me that big wars have started over less. What the actual F.....

"Russians are better at propaganda than we are" -CNN

lol

At least CNN admits they are propaganda. It's nice to see some honesty from US state propaganda "news" networks. Would be wonderful to hear the same admission from the BBC, Sky news, CBS, NBC, and all the other western propaganda networks.

 

[kage69]

There was an interception of old nuclear bombers off the coast of Alaska in the news with our F-22s against the SU -35. In this scenario our f-22 was outmatched by the Russian planes. You do know that as far as aerial combat goes that the Sukhoi are recognized as superior and not by Putin. If there were a Russian/US confrontation over Syria as an example our F-22s would be outmatched.

People said the same thing about the Zero back in the day. It had a fearsome reputation. Look how maneuverable it is, and those 20mm cannons. Way better suited for combat in the Pacific.

Su-35 was made with maneuverability in mind, but that's a type of gamble just like emphasizing stealth. Utilizing extreme acrobatics to avoid harm usually has a detrimental effect on maintaining energy.

Without knowing the scenario or pilot skill, seems like a hard thing to gauge. This is all still just 'paper' talk, and history has shown us before it's not always about just specs.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

People said the same thing about the Zero back in the day. It had a fearsome reputation. Look how maneuverable it is, and those 20mm cannons. Way better suited for combat in the Pacific.

Su-35 was made with maneuverability in mind, but that's a type of gamble just like emphasizing stealth. Utilizing extreme acrobatics to avoid harm usually has a detrimental effect on maintaining energy.

Without knowing the scenario or pilot skill, seems like a hard thing to gauge. This is all still just 'paper' talk, and history has shown us before it's not always about just specs.

No debate about skill and paper vs real world performance, but we do spend many times more on planes which are marginally better in some situations and more reliable than our F-35. Unless we start focusing on what reliably works it is inevitable that we fall behind on some aspects.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

At least CNN admits they are propaganda.

You seem to come around so often with the apparent goal of making no sense. No, no such thing is true.

The last paragraph which either you did not read or comprehend.

"Simply put, Russia is better at misinformation than its opponents. It understands better how information -- good or bad -- is spread. Everyone else needs to get better at dealing with it."

Russia's opponents are those it attacks with propaganda and top of the list is the nation of the United States of America.

Don't be a Trump.

 

[Blackjack200]

There was an interception of old nuclear bombers off the coast of Alaska in the news with our F-22s against the SU -35. In this scenario our f-22 was outmatched by the Russian planes. You do know that as far as aerial combat goes that the Sukhoi are recognized as superior and not by Putin. If there were a Russian/US confrontation over Syria as an example our F-22s would be outmatched.

No doubt you didn't know that. Stealth is great but unlike Trump who thinks our planes are invisible they aren't. The F-35's? One of the greatest planes ever, on paper. Unfortunately they spend their days being in the repair hanger at outrageous costs.

Evidently you didn't know that either. In a decade or two our planes won't be invisible and we're committed to an unreliable design. The Russians won't make that mistake.

As far as other aspects of aerial warfare? The US is far ahead with bombers, but bombers do not fight. In a situation where our fighters and theirs engage that advantage evaporates.

You don’t know how air to air combat works in the 21st century, and you don’t have the first fucking clue what the meaningful differences are between the F-22, F-35, and SU-35 are. Are you aware that the Su-35 is a derivative of the Su-27, which is a 40+ year old design?

These are the essential texts if you actually want to understand air combat in the 21st century.

https://www.northropgrumman.com/MediaResources/MediaKits/B21/images/The_Radar_Game_Book.pdf
https://etd.auburn.edu/bitstream/handle/10415/595/MICHEL_III_55.pdf

And yes, I’ve read both texts in their entirety. I invite you to read them too if you’re actually interested. I’m willing to reciprocate if you actually have any documentation to support your ludicrous claim that the Su-35 outclasses the F-22. But I can promise you that there is none. Any information you look for to support your argument will almost certainly lead you to a small circle of clowns lead by Pierre Sprey. Do some research on him, he’s an absolute charlatan.

Overselling the capabilities of Russian jets serve the propaganda interests of both Russia and the United States. Russia’s government justifies its grip on power in part by selling the lie that its military is a capable check on American aggression. The United States justifies continued spending on fighter development by arguing that Russian jets are much closer in capability to its own jets than is actually the truth. That’s useful context, but it’s not the basis of my opinions. My opinions come entirely from reading news and information about the F-35 mainly, (because its been in the news) and other jets.

 

[Blackjack200]

No debate about skill and paper vs real world performance, but we do spend many times more on planes which are marginally better in some situations and more reliable than our F-35. Unless we start focusing on what reliably works it is inevitable that we fall behind on some aspects.

What do you know about the reliability of the F-35? What an incredible statement to make.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What do you know about the reliability of the F-35? What an incredible statement to make.

You read, eh?

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...y-and-reliability-problems-remain-testers-say

It would seem that the people who wrote this, as well as myself, know far less than you. Apply to the DOD STAT!




Modern air warfare? You read things, one promoted by the MIC, and cite that as to modern warfare. Much applies but books and articles do not engage and control a situation before it ever happens. You ignored the real life situation and the reality of the F-35.

Doesn't really matter in any case. We are married to the F-35 and you are stuck paying for it assuming you are a citizen here. In the meantime, China is making real progress (you can deny that too) and as China and Russia have ever more at stake with common interests then technology would likely be shared. Feel free to say that isn't or can't happen over the next decade or two.

 

[cytg111]

"Russians are better at propaganda than we are" -CNN

lol

At least CNN admits they are propaganda. It's nice to see some honesty from US state propaganda "news" networks. Would be wonderful to hear the same admission from the BBC, Sky news, CBS, NBC, and all the other western propaganda networks.

When you get down to the core of it we are all arguing a point of view, our view is freedom and democracy, if you want to call that propaganda ... well

 

[cytg111]

The National Socialist Workers Party? The European Soviet Union? Some other unelected bureaucrats overruling a nations sovereignity? Bad habit? Custom?

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
- Evelyn Beatrice Hall

Freedom baby.

 

[Blackjack200]

You read, eh?

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...y-and-reliability-problems-remain-testers-say

It would seem that the people who wrote this, as well as myself, know far less than you. Apply to the DOD STAT!

The article is based on a report from the DOT&E, whose job it is to constructively criticize the program. You compared the reliability of the F-35 to the reliability of other aircraft, (“...more reliable than our F-35”) what is your support for that statement?

Modern air warfare? You read things, one promoted by the MIC, and cite that as to modern warfare. Much applies but books and articles do not engage and control a situation before it ever happens. You ignored the real life situation and the reality of the F-35.

What on earth are you talking about? The papers I referred to provide a foundation for understanding air combat, they certainly do not promote the F-35 platform or the JSF program because they were written too long ago to do that. Again, I’m willing to read any scholarly papers you have that you think support your position. When you say things like “stealth is great, ...but our planes aren’t invisible” you betray a lack of understanding about the role of sensor technologies and stealth technologies in modern aerial combat.

For example, our planes aren’t invisible. Okay, what range can they be detected from? Can existing air defenses track and engage them? If so, from what range can they be tracked and engaged? If not, are there any theoretical air defenses that can track and engage them at useful ranges? If you would actually take the time to read “The Radar Game” or even the 4 page conclusion at the end of the paper you could at least base your arguments on some kind of understanding of the role of stealth technologies, instead of regurgitating worthless talking points from discredited “experts”.

Doesn't really matter in any case. We are married to the F-35 and you are stuck paying for it assuming you are a citizen here. In the meantime, China is making real progress (you can deny that too) and as China and Russia have ever more at stake with common interests then technology would likely be shared. Feel free to say that isn't or can't happen over the next decade or two.

Why don’t you post something to support your statement and then I can agree or disagree with it.