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[digitalsm]

aphex: if you believe that stupid stat has anything to do with the number of casual internet users such as those of us using these forums, you're an idiot. if anyone here is overly sensitive, it's you.

Well there are 18million blacks in the US, 30% of them have internet access in their homes. Of that A fairly good chunk have broadband. On top of that blacks on avg spend 44 hours a week(or was it a month?) compared to 50 hours avg for whites. Its a fairly good indicator.

 

[nan0bug]

The holocaust was worse. People need to remember that it wasn't just jews that were systematically eliminated in it though.

That being said, I think a signifigant portion of blacks and jews (not all) use the past as justification for an entitlement mentality (reparations, Affirmative action, zionism, etc) My great-grandfather worked in a factory from the time he was 6 or 7 years old for next to nothing. Does that mean I should get some sort of special treatment? Oh, darn. I'm white, I guess I'm not entitled enough.

 

[WarCon]

I really don't see the point of the question myself. I personally try to accept that once a crime has seriously affected another then there is no point in trying to "grade" it on its level of corruption (especially one that affected large quantities of people).

Don't try and moderate evil (or whatever you choose to call the pit of depravity that humans can and do wallow in) like its something you have to decide between.

Why can't they both be just as evil? Why do we choose shades (scales) for actions that are obvious completely wrong.

I think prejudice of any form (race, age, sex, etc...) is one of these great evils, as it is almost always one of the primary causes for the "great" evils that humans commit upon each other.

Target prejudice as what is most wicked (the very idea that one human is worth more than another) and maybe we can grow up as a species and stop playing the blame game and learn to accept responsibility for our own wrongs and strive to do right.

 

[HiTek21]

Originally posted by: aphex
Holocaust.

 

[B00ne]

Well, I dont think it is good to compare such things, but clearly the Holocaust was worse. After all the holocaust was designed to exterminate an entire group of ppl in an industrialzed killing "machine"

If u really want to compare such things, I would rather ask: What was worse the Holocaust or the Extermination of the Indians? as that seems more alike...

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: masterxfob
the jews went through a few years of the worst torture and degredation in all of history, but the slavery issue went on for a few hundred years. i'm sure that many slaves went through worse torture than some of the jews went through and for how long? african-americans have been put through so much and they still have a lot of prejedice to deal with even today.

Have you ever heard of the 'experiments' performed on people in concentration camps? Both slavery and the holocaust were prime examples of why the human race does not deserve survival.

There is a flip side to it though. Some commited those atrocities, and some rallied together and defeated them. They are a testament to the fact that we *do* deserve survival.

And when the concentration camps in Yugoslavia popped up we looked the other way for quite a while.
And where do you see the foreign forces gather for liberating Zimbabwe? It's been years since all the white people lost their land their, the government just tripled their own salaries, the opposition is crushed by force, and no one intervenes. When they warned Bush not to mess with them while being in Africa he didn't even respond.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

And when the concentration camps in Yugoslavia popped up we looked the other way for quite a while.
And where do you see the foreign forces gather for liberating Zimbabwe? It's been years since all the white people lost their land their, the government just tripled their own salaries, the opposition is crushed by force, and no one intervenes. When they warned Bush not to mess with them while being in Africa he didn't even respond.

We who? I personally didn't know what was going on in Yugoslavia at the time. I was a kid. There are lots of horrible things going on around the world, and I *do* think we should put a stop to it. Of course, I think it should be the UN. Unfortunately everyone in power, in America and the UN, is a spineless bastard.

 

[SuperTool]

Those who are saying slavery was worse would preffer that whites killed all Africans instead of taking them as slaves?
It's nonsense. Slavery was bad and inhuman, but it was never an attempt to wipe out an entire peoples. I would say the current AIDS epidemic in Africa is much worse than the slavery for African people.

 

[Netopia]

Here's a question:

Which was worse, the approximate 200 years that people enslaved Africans in North America or the approximate 400 years that Africans (Egyptians) enslaved Jews? I think people tend to forget about that because the setting is more distant in time, but that doesn't change the reality of it.

Joe

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Holocaust. While slavery was horrid, it's sole purpose wasn't to exterminate an entire race of people.

Very similar to what I was thinking. Slavery is about the cruel use of people for unpaid labor. The Holocaust was about fear and swift genocide.

 

[OulOat]

Originally posted by: masterxfob
in general, most jews are going to feel that the holocaust was worse than salvery, while blacks would feel vice versa. that said, i don't see nearly as many black people in this thread, forum, or even on the internet compared to jews. i'm just being quite frank in saying that there aren't as many blacks as their are jews that have access to a PC or the internet.

if you don't see my point, then think a little harder, it should be quite obvious.

Are you refering to this quote?

"N!ggers don't read. Books are like Kryptonite to a n!gger" - Chris Rock

You know, you're right, all the times I was at the library, mind you, a supposedly "public" library, I never seen more than a couple of Africans. I think it's because they discriminate when issuing library cards. Also, I think they have a magical firewall that prevents blacks from accessing the net. It's all a big conspiracy, these "public" facilities are available to all BUT blacks.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: CoolTech
What do you think was worsE? Holocaust or U.S. Slavery?

Even more people were affected over the hundreds of years of slavery than few years that 6 million jews were killed, not to give that event any less validity or historical importance, but U.S. Slavery was worse

So is your poll to stand on a soap box and spout how bad slavery was, or to just see where poeple stand? Cause from where I'm standin....Your on a box....

 

[Tinkerhell]

Holocaust. I had relatives killed in the Holocaust. US slavery was horrible too but the goal of it wasn't to exterminate them.

 

[aphex]

I love how CoolTech spouts off his ignorant mouth, and as soon as we call him on it... He stops posting...

Lovely man... Just lovely...

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: CoolTech

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
No question, the holocaust.

The US isn't special in having slavery. A good number of current and former powers have had slavery at one point or another.

the question isnt whether other cultures had slavery, its the comparison of U.S. Slavery with the Holocaust. Don't get the question twisted

How can we not? You are comparing something from the 1700-1800's to WW2 in the 1940's.


WW2 was not that long ago, and American Slavery was at a different time and civilization period. In the 1700's you had people being accused of witch craft and burned at the stake, countries in civil disobedience, civil wars, empires, non-stop rebellions, ext.

1942 you had one guy who decided to invade more than half of Europe and ethnic cleanse every county he conquered. He starved them, worked them to death, gassed them, shot parents right in front of their own children and so fourth. So after millions die from the holocaust, millions more die from fighting the war. There is no comparison in- my mind. In this time period or in any, the holocaust was definitely the worse.

Back then, slavery was just more accepted.

 

[GoingUp]

Holocaust easily. It was basically slavery with even more killing.

 

[SoylentGreen]

Anyone that even thinks slavery is anywhere remotely in the same league as the holocaust needs their head examined.

I'll help with a louisville slugger.

 

[LeeTJ]

interesting how the poll results reflects the population breakdown.

what is it about 18% black in the US?? what % voted for Slavery?? hmmm, wonder if there is any correlation.

oh wait, now i'm going to be accused of racism and all sorts of other stuff.

 

[phantom309]

Wrong though it was, at least American slavery accomplished something. American slaves built the greatest, most prosperous country on earth, and their descendants enjoy that prosperity. The Holocaust caused millions of deaths and produced nothing of benefit for anyone.

 

[Rudee]

I find it hypocritical that blacks fought alongside whites in WWII for Americas "freedom" yet blacks at that time didn't even have the same rights and freedoms as whites after the war was won.

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: Fudssa
Holocaust. Slavery wasn't that bad.

 

[CoolTech]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
Also, if you're gonna go back and talk all this sh1t from the past, what about the jews that served as slaves in egypt?? what about all the people that Empire of China enslaved over the years. what about Slavery in the Roman Empire.


but to Black people in the US, slavery existed at only ONE point in the history of the world and NO ONE else EVER ANYWHERE has even been a victim.

get off your pity horse and start working.

so, what you are saying is that all Black people are lazy and do not work? Oh, yes, let the bigotry rear its ugly head...

 

[CoolTech]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

in general, most jews are going to feel that the holocaust was worse than salvery, while blacks would feel vice versa. that said, i don't see nearly as many black people in this thread, forum, or even on the internet compared to jews. i'm just being quite frank in saying that there aren't as many blacks as their are jews that have access to a PC or the internet.

I dont know there are less than 13million jews in the world. With less than 6million in the US.

And whoever said jews control the media. Thats just stupid. According to the census 30% of blacks have internet service(55% of that has highspeed BTW). If I recall there are ~18million blacks in the US, so that would be roughly 5.4million. So Id say its 50/50 if your are talking worldwide. There are more blacks than jews online in the US, as I doubt all 6million jews have internet access.

ok, what does having internet access have to do with controlling the media? Absolutely nothing. I mean you could argue the marketing perspective, but thats stretching it. Thats like saying I have cable TV and I am a member of the race which has the highest subscription rate, therefore my race controls the media. Hogwash!

 

In regards to the original question, I would say slavery. Why? Slavery was an ongoing thing and didn't end there. It was a chain of events. If I were to choose between slavery and holocaust, I would go with holocaust. I would choose holocaust because I know that my suffering wouldn't be too long. I would die quickly or the holocaust would end in a few years and I could live a normal life again.

I think The Grand Cow made the argument that slavery was a common thing. It's true that almost every group on this earth have experienced slavery, but they were different measures of slavery. Not every [slave experience] were treated the same way, and some were indentured slaves. As far as I know the Black American experience, some women were raped, sometimes people tortured, starved and consequently when they were emancipated they didn't have the freedom to do things like other people. The whole KKK thing began where people were assaulted, lynched, properties burned, etc. It sure isn't fun. The feeling of inferiority engraved for a lifetime is more torturous to me and being perceived as a property even in paper. The only condition where I would accept slavery instead of holocause is if it would only mean hard labour, but no rape and no physical torture. Then a guaranteed freedom time. I'm basically spelling indentured slavery. To be honest, this is a hard call since neither experience (i.e., holocaust or slavery) is pleasurable or justified.

[Fried Pie:] "Black Americans are the richest blacks in the entire world. Their ancestors suffered but they have been able to reap the benefits of that suffering."

Wow! Fascinating! Thanks for introducing us to the truth. You have just invalidated the Declaration Of Independence, if we're to accept your argument. All men were created equal was the argument made and that one had the right to overthrow a despot when one's rights were trampled upon. According to you, no, no. They had no right to fight the despot and no right to complain 'cuz their lives were better than that of those in Europe.

I guess to you being in the USA = happy life. It's very different from what I know. The Civil Rights Act wasn't even passed until the 1960s and women's suffrage wasn't until the late 1800s. What the USA does do is provide an opportunity for people to strive and better their lives. I'm surprised you're suddenly the ultimate being who decides what life is preferrable for every individual in this planet. Anyone who makes a conscious decision to go back to the wildlife or the bushes for instance is too stupid and couldn't be a content person.

 

[CoolTech]

Originally posted by: luvly
In regards to the original question, I would say slavery. Why? Slavery was an ongoing thing and didn't end there. It was a chain of events. If I were to choose between slavery and holocaust, I would go with holocaust. I would choose holocaust because I know that my suffering wouldn't be too long. I would die quickly or the holocaust would end in a few years and I could live a normal life again.

I think The Grand Cow made the argument that slavery was a common thing. It's true that almost every group on this earth have experienced slavery, but they were different measures of slavery. Not every [slave experience] were treated the same way, and some were indentured slaves. As far as I know the Black American experience, some women were raped, sometimes people tortured, starved and consequently when they were emancipated they didn't have the freedom to do things like other people. The whole KKK thing began where people were assaulted, lynched, properties burned, etc. It sure isn't fun. The feeling of inferiority engraved for a lifetime is more torturous to me and being perceived as a property even in paper. The only condition where I would accept slavery instead of holocause is if it would only mean hard labour, but no rape and no physical torture. Then a guaranteed freedom time. I'm basically spelling indentured slavery. To be honest, this is a hard call since neither experience (i.e., holocaust or slavery) is pleasurable or justified.

[Fried Pie:] "Black Americans are the richest blacks in the entire world. Their ancestors suffered but they have been able to reap the benefits of that suffering."

Wow! Fascinating! Thanks for introducing us to the truth. You have just invalidated the Declaration Of Independence, if we're to accept your argument. All men were created equal was the argument made and that one had the right to overthrow a despot when one's rights were trampled upon. According to you, no, no. They had no right to fight the despot and no right to complain 'cuz their lives were better than that of those in Europe.

I guess to you being in the USA = happy life. It's very different from what I know. The Civil Rights Act wasn't even passed until the 1960s and women's suffrage wasn't until the late 1800s. What the USA does do is provide an opportunity for people to strive and better their lives. I'm surprised you're suddenly the ultimate being who decides what life is preferrable for every individual in this planet. Anyone who makes a conscious decision to go back to the wildlife or the bushes for instance is too stupid and couldn't be a content person.

thanks for clearing that up and putting my thoughts into words!