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[SoylentGreen]

Man these ignorant statement abound, choosing holocaust over slavery as being the worse of those two evils.

Do the world a favor, unplug your computer and keep your ignorance local.

 

[gregshin]

what about the american indians?

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: CoolTech

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
Also, if you're gonna go back and talk all this sh1t from the past, what about the jews that served as slaves in egypt?? what about all the people that Empire of China enslaved over the years. what about Slavery in the Roman Empire.


but to Black people in the US, slavery existed at only ONE point in the history of the world and NO ONE else EVER ANYWHERE has even been a victim.

get off your pity horse and start working.

so, what you are saying is that all Black people are lazy and do not work? Oh, yes, let the bigotry rear its ugly head...

nope, i stated it in another post. i was referring the Black leaders that REPRESENT black people If they don't like the way they are represented change their leaders.

Jesse Jackson and his crew present the black people as such, people that can't get by without their entitlements. if the BLACK people resent being presented as such, they should change their leaders, they are afterall living in a demcracy.

slavery HAS existed throughout history, but you have no desire to make any mention or issue of those things.

 

[aphex]

thanks for clearing that up and putting my thoughts into words!

Im still awaiting your response to your ignorant remarks on the first page of this thread.

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: Kiyup
Man these ignorant statement abound, choosing holocaust over slavery as being the worse of those two evils.

Do the world a favor, unplug your computer and keep your ignorance local.

You have a point. We should not be deciding or discussing on which of these atrocious acts are worse. I can't speak much highly about the "Do the world a favor, unplug your computer and keep your ignorance local" part.

 

[alocurto]

Holocaust

 

[incallisto]

Originally posted by: aphex
Holocaust.

 

[ThreeLeggedGnome]

Kill me and my children but dont enslave them.

 

[yhlee]

both will be forgotten soon enough

but in my opinion, slavery

 

[stormbv]

Originally posted by: yhlee
both will be forgotten soon enough

I sure the hell hope they aren't forgotten.

 

[Tinkerhell]

luvly said: If I were to choose between slavery and holocaust, I would go with holocaust. I would choose holocaust because I know that my suffering wouldn't be too long. I would die quickly or the holocaust would end in a few years and I could live a normal life again.

Not all people in the holocaust died quickly. I dont know where you get that idea from. A relative of mine was a Jewish doctor in Berlin, and the nazis rounded up him and a bunch of other jewish doctors and took them to a room of Jewish pregnant women. They were told to cut the babies out of their mother's stomachs while the mothers were still awake. Instead of doing this my relative stabbed himself to death. I don't think he died quickly, and I'm sure those poor mothers and babies didn't either. I also had a jewish relative who had to watch the nazis shoot to death her husband and three children because they found out she was hiding them. They let her live. I'm sure her heart continued to die after that. Not everyone died quickly, most suffered horribly. And even if they did live through it, the memories of watching their friends and relatives put to death lived with them forever. Is that a normal life?

 

[Konigin]

I don't think you can compare them as equal to each other in the effect it had. Both were really wrong and had serious repercussions, I don't think one was worse then the other.

 

[Tinkerhell]

Does anyone agree with me?

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell
Does anyone agree with me?

I do. But as far as the original question, I'd have to say both were equally bad.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell
Does anyone agree with me?

I do...the horrors of the holocaust lived on in the hearts and minds of those who endured.

 

[Tinkerhell]

Thanks for agreeing. I'm happy some people know how horrible the holocaust was and how people DID NOT die quickly and DID NOT live normal lives afterwards. I think the holocaust was one of the most horrible acts in human history. Its sad so many people had to die. Hopefully luvly changes her opinion..

 

[SoylentGreen]

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[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: Kiyup

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell
Does anyone agree with me?

It's obvious you are correct. The persons posting slavery being worse are completely <STRONG>ignorant </STRONG>to the atrocities of the holocaust.

"I suggest you educate yourselves before spouting off your bullshit rhetoric".

Are you saying i should educate myself or the ignorant people?

 

[Netopia]

The problem with trying to make a comparison is that there is no accurate way to measure human suffering and from that perspective you really cannot say that one was "worsE" than the other.

If however, we look at which was more EVIL, I would have to go with the holocaust.

While slavery was a huge violation of human rights and was unquestionably bad, there were still slaves that were able to lead lives with some normalcy and be able to stay together as families and be well treated by their masters. While this was probably not the norm, it was also far from unheard of. The point is, that even though slavery itself was bad, there was still the opportunity for some to enjoy life, though life without freedom.

The holocaust OTOH was not a situation in which a person in direct contact with the oppressed had much of an opportunity to do anything kind. A typical soldier had no way to lead a family of Jews from a concentration camp to freedom or even to keep that family from being split up. The whole premise of genocide pretty much dictates that no person of the oppressed race has an opportunity to enjoy life at all, or even for very long.

Joe

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: aphex

thanks for clearing that up and putting my thoughts into words!

Im still awaiting your response to your ignorant remarks on the first page of this thread.

2 days later... Still waiting...

 

[yhlee]

Originally posted by: stormbv

Originally posted by: yhlee
both will be forgotten soon enough

I sure the hell hope they aren't forgotten.

yeah me too

-young

 

[idfubar]

Forgive the flaimbait, but I'm surprised no one said anything about Windows =P

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Kiyup
Man these ignorant statement abound, choosing holocaust over slavery as being the worse of those two evils.

Do the world a favor, unplug your computer and keep your ignorance local.

he said US slavery, completely ignoring that damn near every civilisation and culture had slavery up until the 1800s. if you really wanted to get to the root of the problem its english protestant racism, partly expressed in the slavery in the US (and other places), that was the evil. at least slavery didn't have the methodical extermination of an entire ethnic group as its goal.

do the world a favor, unplug your computer and keep your trolling local

 

[Bound_Vortex]

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell
Does anyone agree with me?

Absolutely.

"If I were to choose between slavery and holocaust, I would go with holocaust. I would choose holocaust because I know that my suffering wouldn't be too long. I would die quickly or the holocaust would end in a few years and I could live a normal life again."

Going through the holocaust wasn't like looking into the barrel of a gun and watching a nazi pull the trigger. And insinuating such is plain sad. Life (if you can even call it that) in the concentration camps included slavery, torture, starvation, rape, you name it. And they had NO idea IF it was ever going to end. Looking at it from a hindsight perspective is just wrong.

Slavery of any persons (the notion that only blacks were slaves is also wrong) and the persecution of the Native Americans was in my mind the lowest things this country has ever been associated with. Sadly, something even more atrocious occurred some 60 years ago.