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Nowhere is it written we're supposed to accept the official government explanation for anything.
If you don't want to watch it, don't watch it. That doesn't mean others form their own opinion.
If you don't want to watch it, don't watch it. That doesn't mean others form their own opinion.
BeauJangles
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Nowhere is it written that youtube videos or the people that made them are smarter than real experts.
Cue the theramin...
< old sci fi movie sound effect >
Ooo-o-o-wEE-E-E-E-oooh
< /old sci fi movie sound effect >
Looks like a great time to invest in tinfoil hat futures.
Originally posted by: Harvey
Cue the theramin...
< old sci fi movie sound effect >
Ooo-o-o-wEE-E-E-E-oooh
< /old sci fi movie sound effect >
Looks like a great time to invest in tinfoil hat futures.
This is one of those rare occasions where Harvey and I agree 100%! Kudos!
The main problem I have with conspiracy theorists is not that they question the original story but that some present alternative hypothesis that are extremely unlikely. For example, the idea that the WTC towers were brought down through controlled demolition is absurd. Not only were the towers over twice as tall as any other that have ever been demolated, but the time period in which the explosives were supposedly installed is way too short for them to have been installed covertly (it's really to short for them to have been installed at all). Let alone the fact that the towers fell perfectly. The government would never take such a risk because one mistake would have been a fuck up of unimaginable proportions. They would have a tough time selling the theory that terrorists manage to rig the entire towers with explosives.
BeauJangles
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It wasn't terrorists. It was the GOVERNMENT. Who, exactly? I doubt anybody can tell you. What they'll say instead is that the people who perpetrated Sept 11 for the government did so genuinely believing that they were doing something good. Let me ask, how do you believe you're doing something good if you're rigging up two skyscrapers with C4? Or, maybe, Dick Cheney did it himself when he was missing for all those months.
I phrased it poorly (I know you're being sarcastic). I meant that if the demolition failed half-way through then the government would be totally fucked.
First
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Originally posted by: QuaziK
:disgust: no, really the 9/11 'conspiracy theories' are mostly right..
And i wish they werent... It feels much nicer to think that we're in a perfect time where nothing horribly corrupt happens, and that there is no globalist elite, ignoring history and all the events going on... But well its a toss up.. Stay ignorant and happy or awake and uh not so happy..
Like I said, you're just not that intelligent or utterly closed-minded if you believe any of these conspiracy theories. The likelihood that the U.S. government has the ability to concoct the most perfectly executed false flag terrorist attack in human history is just so laughable that it's not worth explaining. If you've never worked in government, known someone who has worked in government, or studied U.S. government, then this is precisely why you believe this lunacy. It's sad and everyone sees it.
If the conspiracy theorists believe in things like this, the first stop in their brain should be to understand is that no plan of that magnitude would have happened and have every single one of the players never tell a single soul the truth. 5 bank robbers can't even pull that off, let alone hundreds. This is preposterous.
BeauJangles
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Shhh compuwiz, you're going to scare them all back into hibernation until the 2x uncut version of Loose Change is released!
My only questions are why was Thermite found in the dust after it was analyzed? What the hell is with all that molten steel? What were all those explosions hundreds of eyewitnesses experienced? Why was the building shut down 2 weeks prior to supposedly run fiber optic cable(which I used to do for a living and I never needed all the power in the building shut down or at all)? Why was the funding of the attack never followed up on? Why was the most heinous crime scene in the history of America so hurriedly cleaned up and shipped out of the country for recycling before any of the materials could be investigated? Why didn't NORAD respond? What was it that Mineta heard Cheney say? Is Larry Silverstein the luckiest man in the world, for insuring his property against terrorism 6 weeks prior to the attack thus getting a payout over $7 billion? When is the NIST going to give us an explanation for why WTC 7 collapsed? Why hasn't the $10 billion appropriated to injured 1st responders paid them or helped them as they are very ill now?
I think they are very relevant questions, as far as theories who cares, I'd just like some real answers. Oh and can we please see some of the video around the Pentagon?
I think they are very relevant questions, as far as theories who cares, I'd just like some real answers. Oh and can we please see some of the video around the Pentagon?
has anyone figured out why the nist study didnt have any steel from wtc 7 to look at??
The analysis focused on the WTC 1 and WTC 2. Although no steel was recovered from WTC 7, a 47-story building that also collapsed on September 11, properties for steel used in its construction were estimated based on literature and contemporaneous documents.
http://wtc.nist.gov/oct05NCSTAR1-3index.htm
The analysis focused on the WTC 1 and WTC 2. Although no steel was recovered from WTC 7, a 47-story building that also collapsed on September 11, properties for steel used in its construction were estimated based on literature and contemporaneous documents.
http://wtc.nist.gov/oct05NCSTAR1-3index.htm
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:thumbsup:
One correction:
He only leased it for $3.2 billion BTW, but he swindled the insurance companies by convincing the courts that the 9/11 attacks in NYC were two "separate" incidences, thus doubling the payout to $7 billion. The fact that he's also Jewish matters little
Forensics? As with any murder they spend thousands on forensics dissecting each particle in hopes of finding clues. Why should Sept 11th be any different? IMO the 9-11 investigation/information should have been conducted with scrutiny of each and every piece that fell. Cataloged the positions of evidence like an archaeologist. Not ONE piece should have been moved without such depth of investigation.
have u looked at the nist report.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
14. Why is the NIST investigation of the collapse of WTC 7 (the 47-story office building that collapsed on Sept. 11, 2001, hours after the towers) taking so long to complete? Is a controlled demolition hypothesis being considered to explain the collapse?
When NIST initiated the WTC investigation, it made a decision not to hire new staff to support the investigation. After the June 2004 progress report on the WTC investigation was issued, the NIST investigation team stopped working on WTC 7 and was assigned full-time through the fall of 2005 to complete the investigation of the WTC towers. With the release and dissemination of the report on the WTC towers in October 2005, the investigation of the WTC 7 collapse resumed. Considerable progress has been made since that time, including the review of nearly 80 boxes of new documents related to WTC 7, the development of detailed technical approaches for modeling and analyzing various collapse hypotheses, and the selection of a contractor to assist NIST staff in carrying out the analyses. It is anticipated that a draft report will be released for public comment by July 2008 and that the final report will be released shortly thereafter.
The current NIST working collapse hypothesis for WTC 7 is described in the June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows:
An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large-span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;
Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, and as the large floor bays became unable to redistribute the loads, it brought down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and
Triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7 that were much thicker and more heavily reinforced than the rest of the floors) resulted in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.
This hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. NIST also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.
wouldnt u like more info on that steel man???
Oh so why didn't the NIST say that in their report? Why haven't they closed the investigation on the destruction of WTC7? Why are they looking into explosives as the cause? Why did the BBC report WTC7's collapse 25 minutes prior to it's actual collapse?
http://www.nist.gov/public_aff...leases/wtc_062907.html
From the report:
"This hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. NIST also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements."
Now even the NIST is considering the destruction of WTC7 as possibly controlled demolition as all other hypotheses haven't and evidence have sufficiently explained WTC7's collapse/destruction.
NIST back in June 07said they would have the finalized report by the end of the year, it's 08' and I aint seen nothing yet.
TastesLikeChicken
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What are you trying to claim? That the government had this grand plan to slam airplanes into WTC 1 and WTC 2 so they would collapse and cover up the demolition of WTC 7?
Here's NIST's response to the conspiracy theorists:
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
BeauJangles
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For a murder, you're trying to find a suspect then tie him to the evidence. You take care not to disturb clues so as to increase your chances you can tie the person responsible to the crime scene. At ground zero there are no need for clues. Two planes slammed into the WTC and caused the buildings to collapse. Those immediately responsible were on board the planes. That's it. Why would our country waste the resources and time necessary to catalog what is at the site? They were more concerned with finding survivors and piecing together corpses then preserving 'evidence.'
As for what Eventhorizon posted, as far as I know, they believe that a fire, fueled by the generators, critically weakened part of the structure and that, combined with the tremors from the collapsing buildings sealed WTC 7's fate.
Again, though, if you believe something else happened please present one shred of evidence and an alternative theory. It isn't good enough to say "the government is wrong" and not present any ideas (with evidence) of your own.
BTW I've looked at every report on WTC7 from the NIST and not one has said anything was conclusive on why it collapsed. Which report are you quoting from? The NIST was the most comprehensive researcher of the event. I know there was some independent researchers are you talking about them and what are their credentials? Do you have a link of this "conclusive" establishment?
Thanks in advance.
thats where im getting my info. from the nist website if u read my post. im not claiming anything but what the nist had to say. that a fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column from their very own report. and also from their report, they have no steel to look at. "The analysis focused on the WTC 1 and WTC 2. Although no steel was recovered from WTC 7, a 47-story building that also collapsed on September 11, properties for steel used in its construction were estimated based on literature and contemporaneous documents. "
it dosent matter what i believe. im asking u, woulnt u like to see the steel from wtc7 studied.
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