9/11 Loose Change Final Cut Released Online

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
My only questions are why was Thermite found in the dust after it was analyzed? What the hell is with all that molten steel? What were all those explosions hundreds of eyewitnesses experienced? Why was the building shut down 2 weeks prior to supposedly run fiber optic cable(which I used to do for a living and I never needed all the power in the building shut down or at all)? Why was the funding of the attack never followed up on? Why was the most heinous crime scene in the history of America so hurriedly cleaned up and shipped out of the country for recycling before any of the materials could be investigated? Why didn't NORAD respond? What was it that Mineta heard Cheney say? Is Larry Silverstein the luckiest man in the world, for insuring his property against terrorism 6 weeks prior to the attack thus getting a payout over $7 billion? When is the NIST going to give us an explanation for why WTC 7 collapsed? Why hasn't the $10 billion appropriated to injured 1st responders paid them or helped them as they are very ill now?

I think they are very relevant questions, as far as theories who cares, I'd just like some real answers. Oh and can we please see some of the video around the Pentagon?

Anyone? I guess I'm going to be waiting forever and ever. NIST? nope....... Anyone else?

Thermite is iron oxide (rust) and aluminum. What the hell do you think you're going to find at a building site that was hit with a large commercial aircraft, burned, then doused with water.

Shhh, those are facts, Mavtek3100 is actually physically incapable of understanding those.

This is the problem with conspiracy theorists, well besides being pants on head crazy, is that they don't give up. A bunch of idiots re-release a debunked film then stand around waiting for people to challenge them in light of their "new" evidence. However, the experts who debunk their garbage have moved on because they have actual things to do.

OH SNAP!!!! HE ANSWERED A QUESTION WITH A QUESTION!!! Dumbass doesn't even understand the nature of Thermite what it is or how you can collect residue of its use after a reaction from thermite. There is no way in hell smashing a sheet of aluminum into steel beams will create thermite. Thermite is a specific mix of Iron oxide and powdered aluminum, not only this but you cannot ignite Thermite with jet fuel it doesn't get hot enough. There is no way aluminum fused with iron should have been found in the dust at the world trade center, not nearly enough heat for this to happen. Not to mention high levels of sulphur and magnesium.

Even though you think you answered that question you didn't touch any of the other questions? My God and you call conspiracy theorists stupid?

What are you talking about? There was no thermite found. Light your car on fire. You'll end up with iron oxide and aluminum residues once your car has finished being incinerated. That doesn't imply it was loaded with "cutter charges" though.

That's not to mention that the high levels of sulphur came from the large quantities of gypsum board (dywall) used in the construction of the towers and the magnesium is a component of the aluminum alloy cladding that was used on the exterior.

One more thing. The truthers obliterate their own conspiracy by clinging onto the thermite/thermate claim. Thermite/thermate are NOT explosive materials. They cut steel similar to how an acetylene torch does, by creating very high heat. If thermite/thermate was used there would have been no "squibs." Its yet another contradiction put forth by the truthers because they can't even corroborate their own stories.

 

[event8horizon]

now for the hearst empire (owners of the history channel and popular mechanics).

im just showing how our media can be influenced/manipulated. also think of operation mockingbird when dealing with our media. plus 911 is most likely a "national security" issue.
William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937, ?Ambassador Dodd?s Diary;? see also Court Documents: Hearst vs Gillmor, see paragraph 61: ?Promptly after this said visit with Adolf Hitler and the making of said arrangements. . . said plaintiff, William Randolph Hearst, instructed all Hearst press correspondents in Germany, including those of INS [International News Service] to report happenings in Germany only in a friendly? manner. All of such correspondents reporting happenings in Germany accurately and without friendliness, sympathy and bias for the actions of the then German government, were transferred elsewhere, discharged, or forced to resign.? According to journalist George Seldes: ?William Randolph Hearst, Sr., was the lord of all the press lords in the United States. The millions who read the Hearst newspapers and magazines and saw Hearst newsreels in the nation?s moviehouses had their minds poisoned by Hitler propaganda.., Hitler had the support of the most widely circulated magazine in history, ?Readers Digest,? as well as nineteen big-city newspapers and one of the three great American news agencies, the $220-million Hearst press empire? (George Seldes, ?Even the Gods Can?t Change History?).

or this piece-
The Fascist sympathies and support for Germany and Italy of many of the richest families in America and payments to William Randolph Hearst for favorable articles in the American press were mentioned in the letters of William Dodd, the American ambassador to Germany

1935 Letter from William E. Dodd to FDR about William Randolph Hearst

http://rationalrevolution.net/...ter_from_william_e.htm

to trust the hearst empire or not to trust. i choose not to trust.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
My only questions are why was Thermite found in the dust after it was analyzed? What the hell is with all that molten steel? What were all those explosions hundreds of eyewitnesses experienced? Why was the building shut down 2 weeks prior to supposedly run fiber optic cable(which I used to do for a living and I never needed all the power in the building shut down or at all)? Why was the funding of the attack never followed up on? Why was the most heinous crime scene in the history of America so hurriedly cleaned up and shipped out of the country for recycling before any of the materials could be investigated? Why didn't NORAD respond? What was it that Mineta heard Cheney say? Is Larry Silverstein the luckiest man in the world, for insuring his property against terrorism 6 weeks prior to the attack thus getting a payout over $7 billion? When is the NIST going to give us an explanation for why WTC 7 collapsed? Why hasn't the $10 billion appropriated to injured 1st responders paid them or helped them as they are very ill now?

I think they are very relevant questions, as far as theories who cares, I'd just like some real answers. Oh and can we please see some of the video around the Pentagon?

Anyone? I guess I'm going to be waiting forever and ever. NIST? nope....... Anyone else?

i looked on their popular mechanics website that the distant cousin of michael chertoff, benjamin chertoff put together to debunk the ct. i coulnt find anything about thermite??? some of the angled cuts from what the ct's think, were from thermite.
after the attack, oxyacetylene torches they used to cut the steel. they dont make that black hardened molten iron that thermite makes where the cut is.
this video shows the oxyacetylene cuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfgSr2eBXls

this could help people out. its just a pdf file by By Dr. Steven E. Jones
Physicist and Archaeometrist to take a look at thermite cut steel and oxyacetylene cut steel.
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/WhyIndeed09.pdf

So... you completely avoided anything I just posted and went straight for some tangential youtube video?

what about your other posts. did u look at the thermite cuts vs the oxyacetylene cuts. as for the youtube, its at ground zero, the guy was working there and showing some cut steel.

As I recall oxygen lances were used to cut some of the remaining structural steel at ground level on the site after the collapse. This would produce a slag effect somewhat similar to thermite.

 

[Arkaign]

Ah, it wasn't terrorists or secret operatives, it was GOD! God killed thousands of random US citizens because of the ACLU!!!!

http://www.sullivan-county.com...v_2000/falwell_911.htm

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Vic he didn't transfer the existing Insurance, he got a new policy that paid out a lot more than the original one. Lucky Larry indeed!

Read carefully: his partnership had just closed the deal on the properties in July 2001. The prior policy was held by the Port Authority. He had to get new insurance to cover the amount that he paid for the towers, which was $3.2 billion. He sued to get more than twice that (the $7 billion you speak of), calling it 2 occurrences, but got a mixed settlement in the $4 billion range (which blinderbomber has pointed out).

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: event8horizon
now for the hearst empire (owners of the history channel and popular mechanics).

im just showing how our media can be influenced/manipulated. also think of operation mockingbird when dealing with our media. plus 911 is most likely a "national security" issue.
William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937, ?Ambassador Dodd?s Diary;? see also Court Documents: Hearst vs Gillmor, see paragraph 61: ?Promptly after this said visit with Adolf Hitler and the making of said arrangements. . . said plaintiff, William Randolph Hearst, instructed all Hearst press correspondents in Germany, including those of INS [International News Service] to report happenings in Germany only in a friendly? manner. All of such correspondents reporting happenings in Germany accurately and without friendliness, sympathy and bias for the actions of the then German government, were transferred elsewhere, discharged, or forced to resign.? According to journalist George Seldes: ?William Randolph Hearst, Sr., was the lord of all the press lords in the United States. The millions who read the Hearst newspapers and magazines and saw Hearst newsreels in the nation?s moviehouses had their minds poisoned by Hitler propaganda.., Hitler had the support of the most widely circulated magazine in history, ?Readers Digest,? as well as nineteen big-city newspapers and one of the three great American news agencies, the $220-million Hearst press empire? (George Seldes, ?Even the Gods Can?t Change History?).

or this piece-
The Fascist sympathies and support for Germany and Italy of many of the richest families in America and payments to William Randolph Hearst for favorable articles in the American press were mentioned in the letters of William Dodd, the American ambassador to Germany

1935 Letter from William E. Dodd to FDR about William Randolph Hearst

http://rationalrevolution.net/...ter_from_william_e.htm

to trust the hearst empire or not to trust. i choose not to trust.

WRH has been dead for nigh on 60 years. Unless you are going to argue he masterminded this from beyond the the grave stick to the facts at hand.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Ok Ok . Lets forget about the conspirecy and Look at the Clean up . And how the clean up crews were outfitted and what they were told. Now I suppose this information is all lies also . 80 dead already from sickness 700 more in bad condition with thousands more exspected. To become sick in the end the clean up and the people who work in the area
are exspected to have a higher death rate . Than the number off people who actually died on 9/11/ This is documented stuff . Why were reports changed by the adminestration . Why were the clean up workers and people in the area told it was safe to be in that area. Offical reports said it wasn't safe air quality wasn't safe . But the adminestration Changed the wording . All documented. This was out and out murder. Anyone sees it in differantly is a fool. and need to remove their tin foil hats.

But this is even bigger than just Bush . Every member of congress and Senate are also resposiable. DEM/REP alike . All shouild go to prison for manslaughter and some like Bush for murder. They all share responsiabilty for this . For not doing their jobs . Do these people work for us or some secret organision in the government. Bankers Brokers.

They need the stock market back up and running . Whats a few thousand more deaths compared to big $$$$$$$$$$$$.

Wait, now the government isn't responsible for the planes, they're murders because they deliberately changed wording so the clean-up crews would die in the aftermath? Every week it's something new and every week it gets more and more ridiculous.

Here are some questions:
-How does killing clean-up crews translate into "getting the stock market back up and running?"
-What should the administration have done regarding Ground Zero? First, I heard that they should have categorized every piece of the buildings so they could search for evidence... now you're telling me they shouldn't have done anything at all because it was dangerous?
-How is every member of our government responsible? Did they all get together in some big room and decide, "hey, let's change that report so some people die."?

Your spinning things fella . Forget the planes . The clean up at ground zero. If the government would have told the trueth about health hazards at ground zero . The stock market in USA would have been disrupted. Instead the Government changed the heaslth reports ' IT documented. 70 or more people have already died from the waste hazards its documented . THis was murder and manslaughter. Spinn it some more but these fact are facts . Go into denial I could careless. But spinning it more and denying the facts you share in this injustic. This is only in conjunction to the clean up,

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Tab
Not this shit again...

Those links are a few years old. Lots of stuff in the Final Cut is brand new.

Why did our government cover up Pakistani ISI involvement with the hijackers? A member of the ISI sent $100,000 to Atta right before 9/11.

The notion that Loose change has been refuted once, and keeps coming back with new claims attests to its bias. This is no objective search for the truth. This guy clearly has an axe to grind, and will make these claims until they are refuted, and that's a poor way to argue.

There was no mention of the Pakistan ISI involvement before. Loose Change is grasping at every possibility within reach. It seems silly.

The "proven until refuted" argument is foolish. If Loose Change says that Asian Jewish transvestites were responsible for 911, it doesn't make it incumbent upon the unfortunate listeners to debunk him. If you're going to start making outrageous claims, don't expect to be taken seriously.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: event8horizon
now for the hearst empire (owners of the history channel and popular mechanics).

im just showing how our media can be influenced/manipulated. also think of operation mockingbird when dealing with our media. plus 911 is most likely a "national security" issue.
William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937, ?Ambassador Dodd?s Diary;? see also Court Documents: Hearst vs Gillmor, see paragraph 61: ?Promptly after this said visit with Adolf Hitler and the making of said arrangements. . . said plaintiff, William Randolph Hearst, instructed all Hearst press correspondents in Germany, including those of INS [International News Service] to report happenings in Germany only in a friendly? manner. All of such correspondents reporting happenings in Germany accurately and without friendliness, sympathy and bias for the actions of the then German government, were transferred elsewhere, discharged, or forced to resign.? According to journalist George Seldes: ?William Randolph Hearst, Sr., was the lord of all the press lords in the United States. The millions who read the Hearst newspapers and magazines and saw Hearst newsreels in the nation?s moviehouses had their minds poisoned by Hitler propaganda.., Hitler had the support of the most widely circulated magazine in history, ?Readers Digest,? as well as nineteen big-city newspapers and one of the three great American news agencies, the $220-million Hearst press empire? (George Seldes, ?Even the Gods Can?t Change History?).

or this piece-
The Fascist sympathies and support for Germany and Italy of many of the richest families in America and payments to William Randolph Hearst for favorable articles in the American press were mentioned in the letters of William Dodd, the American ambassador to Germany

1935 Letter from William E. Dodd to FDR about William Randolph Hearst

http://rationalrevolution.net/...ter_from_william_e.htm

to trust the hearst empire or not to trust. i choose not to trust.

Why stop there? Hearst also unnecessarily started the Spanish-American War and led the "Reefer Madness" craze of 1930's. The abuses of sensationalistic journalism are well known.

Henry Ford was a rabid anti-Semite and Nazi sympathizer. He published his own newspaper in the 1920s, the Dearborn Independent, solely for the purposes of airing out his bigoted views, and for a while it had one of the largest circulations of any newspaper in the country.

BUT... when Hearst publishes credible scientific theory, like evolution, that doesn't mean that I automatically believe in Creationism just because Hearst published evolution. In that case, I'm not trusting Hearst, I'm accepting the scientific evidence.

Likewise, when one buys a Ford vehicle today, one is not condoning Henry Ford's bigotry of the past.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
My only questions are why was Thermite found in the dust after it was analyzed? What the hell is with all that molten steel? What were all those explosions hundreds of eyewitnesses experienced? Why was the building shut down 2 weeks prior to supposedly run fiber optic cable(which I used to do for a living and I never needed all the power in the building shut down or at all)? Why was the funding of the attack never followed up on? Why was the most heinous crime scene in the history of America so hurriedly cleaned up and shipped out of the country for recycling before any of the materials could be investigated? Why didn't NORAD respond? What was it that Mineta heard Cheney say? Is Larry Silverstein the luckiest man in the world, for insuring his property against terrorism 6 weeks prior to the attack thus getting a payout over $7 billion? When is the NIST going to give us an explanation for why WTC 7 collapsed? Why hasn't the $10 billion appropriated to injured 1st responders paid them or helped them as they are very ill now?

I think they are very relevant questions, as far as theories who cares, I'd just like some real answers. Oh and can we please see some of the video around the Pentagon?

Anyone? I guess I'm going to be waiting forever and ever. NIST? nope....... Anyone else?

i looked on their popular mechanics website that the distant cousin of michael chertoff, benjamin chertoff put together to debunk the ct. i coulnt find anything about thermite??? some of the angled cuts from what the ct's think, were from thermite.
after the attack, oxyacetylene torches they used to cut the steel. they dont make that black hardened molten iron that thermite makes where the cut is.
this video shows the oxyacetylene cuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfgSr2eBXls

this could help people out. its just a pdf file by By Dr. Steven E. Jones
Physicist and Archaeometrist to take a look at thermite cut steel and oxyacetylene cut steel.
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/WhyIndeed09.pdf

So... you completely avoided anything I just posted and went straight for some tangential youtube video?

what about your other posts. did u look at the thermite cuts vs the oxyacetylene cuts. as for the youtube, its at ground zero, the guy was working there and showing some cut steel.

As I recall oxygen lances were used to cut some of the remaining structural steel at ground level on the site after the collapse. This would produce a slag effect somewhat similar to thermite.

Yes. Oxyacetylene torches were used to cut up some of the larger beams and columns into manageable sizes to be hauled away. There are plenty of pictures to attest to that fact. If you look closely at the cut columns you can easily see the cut mark pattern that is common from using those torches to cut steel. It leaves nearly parallel rows of diagonal lines and a bit of slag buildup on the on the steel. There's a picture of such a cut beam and one of the demolition workers using a torch right here:

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
My only questions are why was Thermite found in the dust after it was analyzed? What the hell is with all that molten steel? What were all those explosions hundreds of eyewitnesses experienced? Why was the building shut down 2 weeks prior to supposedly run fiber optic cable(which I used to do for a living and I never needed all the power in the building shut down or at all)? Why was the funding of the attack never followed up on? Why was the most heinous crime scene in the history of America so hurriedly cleaned up and shipped out of the country for recycling before any of the materials could be investigated? Why didn't NORAD respond? What was it that Mineta heard Cheney say? Is Larry Silverstein the luckiest man in the world, for insuring his property against terrorism 6 weeks prior to the attack thus getting a payout over $7 billion? When is the NIST going to give us an explanation for why WTC 7 collapsed? Why hasn't the $10 billion appropriated to injured 1st responders paid them or helped them as they are very ill now?

I think they are very relevant questions, as far as theories who cares, I'd just like some real answers. Oh and can we please see some of the video around the Pentagon?

Anyone? I guess I'm going to be waiting forever and ever. NIST? nope....... Anyone else?

i looked on their popular mechanics website that the distant cousin of michael chertoff, benjamin chertoff put together to debunk the ct. i coulnt find anything about thermite??? some of the angled cuts from what the ct's think, were from thermite.
after the attack, oxyacetylene torches they used to cut the steel. they dont make that black hardened molten iron that thermite makes where the cut is.
this video shows the oxyacetylene cuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfgSr2eBXls

this could help people out. its just a pdf file by By Dr. Steven E. Jones
Physicist and Archaeometrist to take a look at thermite cut steel and oxyacetylene cut steel.
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/WhyIndeed09.pdf

So... you completely avoided anything I just posted and went straight for some tangential youtube video?

what about your other posts. did u look at the thermite cuts vs the oxyacetylene cuts. as for the youtube, its at ground zero, the guy was working there and showing some cut steel.

As I recall oxygen lances were used to cut some of the remaining structural steel at ground level on the site after the collapse. This would produce a slag effect somewhat similar to thermite.

Yes. Oxyacetylene torches were used to cut up some of the larger beams and columns into manageable sizes to be hauled away. There are plenty of pictures to attest to that fact. If you look closely at the cut columns you can easily see the cut mark pattern that is common from using those torches to cut steel. It leaves nearly parallel rows of diagonal lines and a bit of slag buildup on the on the steel. There's a picture of such a cut beam and one of the demolition workers using a torch right here:

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

I actually was referring to thermal lances (messed up the terminology).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_lance

I seem to recall them using these as well.

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: event8horizon
now for the hearst empire (owners of the history channel and popular mechanics).

im just showing how our media can be influenced/manipulated. also think of operation mockingbird when dealing with our media. plus 911 is most likely a "national security" issue.
William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937, ?Ambassador Dodd?s Diary;? see also Court Documents: Hearst vs Gillmor, see paragraph 61: ?Promptly after this said visit with Adolf Hitler and the making of said arrangements. . . said plaintiff, William Randolph Hearst, instructed all Hearst press correspondents in Germany, including those of INS [International News Service] to report happenings in Germany only in a friendly? manner. All of such correspondents reporting happenings in Germany accurately and without friendliness, sympathy and bias for the actions of the then German government, were transferred elsewhere, discharged, or forced to resign.? According to journalist George Seldes: ?William Randolph Hearst, Sr., was the lord of all the press lords in the United States. The millions who read the Hearst newspapers and magazines and saw Hearst newsreels in the nation?s moviehouses had their minds poisoned by Hitler propaganda.., Hitler had the support of the most widely circulated magazine in history, ?Readers Digest,? as well as nineteen big-city newspapers and one of the three great American news agencies, the $220-million Hearst press empire? (George Seldes, ?Even the Gods Can?t Change History?).

or this piece-
The Fascist sympathies and support for Germany and Italy of many of the richest families in America and payments to William Randolph Hearst for favorable articles in the American press were mentioned in the letters of William Dodd, the American ambassador to Germany

1935 Letter from William E. Dodd to FDR about William Randolph Hearst

http://rationalrevolution.net/...ter_from_william_e.htm

to trust the hearst empire or not to trust. i choose not to trust.

Why stop there? Hearst also unnecessarily started the Spanish-American War and led the "Reefer Madness" craze of 1930's. The abuses of sensationalistic journalism are well known.

Henry Ford was a rabid anti-Semite and Nazi sympathizer. He published his own newspaper in the 1920s, the Dearborn Independent, solely for the purposes of airing out his bigoted views, and for a while it had one of the largest circulations of any newspaper in the country.

BUT... when Hearst publishes credible scientific theory, like evolution, that doesn't mean that I automatically believe in Creationism just because Hearst published evolution. In that case, I'm not trusting Hearst, I'm accepting the scientific evidence.

Likewise, when one buys a Ford vehicle today, one is not condoning Henry Ford's bigotry of the past.

nice. i think u misseed the point. the point is how one can influence the media. thats all.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: event8horizon
nice. i think u misseed the point. the point is how one can influence the media. thats all.

I didn't miss the point. You have no evidence that the media has been influenced in this particular case, which is why you alluded to past abuses as a reason to discredit the scientific evidence before us in regards to 9/11.

There's a name for this kind of logical fallacy BTW. It's called "Attacking the messenger," and is a type of ad hominem.

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: event8horizon
nice. i think u misseed the point. the point is how one can influence the media. thats all.

I didn't miss the point. You have no evidence that the media has been influenced in this particular case, which is why you alluded to past abuses as a reason to discredit the scientific evidence before us in regards to 9/11.

There's a name for this kind of logical fallacy BTW. It's called "Attacking the messenger," and is a type of ad hominem.

Hearst, instructed all Hearst press correspondents in Germany, including those of INS [International News Service] to report happenings in Germany only in a friendly? manner. All of such correspondents reporting happenings in Germany accurately and without friendliness, sympathy and bias for the actions of the then German government, were transferred elsewhere, discharged, or forced to resign.?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
My only questions are why was Thermite found in the dust after it was analyzed? What the hell is with all that molten steel? What were all those explosions hundreds of eyewitnesses experienced? Why was the building shut down 2 weeks prior to supposedly run fiber optic cable(which I used to do for a living and I never needed all the power in the building shut down or at all)? Why was the funding of the attack never followed up on? Why was the most heinous crime scene in the history of America so hurriedly cleaned up and shipped out of the country for recycling before any of the materials could be investigated? Why didn't NORAD respond? What was it that Mineta heard Cheney say? Is Larry Silverstein the luckiest man in the world, for insuring his property against terrorism 6 weeks prior to the attack thus getting a payout over $7 billion? When is the NIST going to give us an explanation for why WTC 7 collapsed? Why hasn't the $10 billion appropriated to injured 1st responders paid them or helped them as they are very ill now?

I think they are very relevant questions, as far as theories who cares, I'd just like some real answers. Oh and can we please see some of the video around the Pentagon?

Anyone? I guess I'm going to be waiting forever and ever. NIST? nope....... Anyone else?

i looked on their popular mechanics website that the distant cousin of michael chertoff, benjamin chertoff put together to debunk the ct. i coulnt find anything about thermite??? some of the angled cuts from what the ct's think, were from thermite.
after the attack, oxyacetylene torches they used to cut the steel. they dont make that black hardened molten iron that thermite makes where the cut is.
this video shows the oxyacetylene cuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfgSr2eBXls

this could help people out. its just a pdf file by By Dr. Steven E. Jones
Physicist and Archaeometrist to take a look at thermite cut steel and oxyacetylene cut steel.
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/WhyIndeed09.pdf

So... you completely avoided anything I just posted and went straight for some tangential youtube video?

what about your other posts. did u look at the thermite cuts vs the oxyacetylene cuts. as for the youtube, its at ground zero, the guy was working there and showing some cut steel.

As I recall oxygen lances were used to cut some of the remaining structural steel at ground level on the site after the collapse. This would produce a slag effect somewhat similar to thermite.

Yes. Oxyacetylene torches were used to cut up some of the larger beams and columns into manageable sizes to be hauled away. There are plenty of pictures to attest to that fact. If you look closely at the cut columns you can easily see the cut mark pattern that is common from using those torches to cut steel. It leaves nearly parallel rows of diagonal lines and a bit of slag buildup on the on the steel. There's a picture of such a cut beam and one of the demolition workers using a torch right here:

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

I actually was referring to thermal lances (messed up the terminology).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_lance

I seem to recall them using these as well.

They may have but I hadn't seen them mentioned much. Here's some information on the cutting processes used by the ground zero cleanup crews:

http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/02/technical-widening-about-thermal.html

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: event8horizon
nice. i think u misseed the point. the point is how one can influence the media. thats all.

I didn't miss the point. You have no evidence that the media has been influenced in this particular case, which is why you alluded to past abuses as a reason to discredit the scientific evidence before us in regards to 9/11.

There's a name for this kind of logical fallacy BTW. It's called "Attacking the messenger," and is a type of ad hominem.

Hearst, instructed all Hearst press correspondents in Germany, including those of INS [International News Service] to report happenings in Germany only in a friendly? manner. All of such correspondents reporting happenings in Germany accurately and without friendliness, sympathy and bias for the actions of the then German government, were transferred elsewhere, discharged, or forced to resign.?

Wonderful. And do you have ANY evidence that similar abuses occurred at Hearst in recent years with regard to the reporting of 9/11, particularly Popular Mechanics' thorough debunking of Loose Change and other "Truther" conspiracy theories?

Or are you just going to keep spouting this sh!t out your ass and expecting us to eat it?

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: event8horizon
nice. i think u misseed the point. the point is how one can influence the media. thats all.

I didn't miss the point. You have no evidence that the media has been influenced in this particular case, which is why you alluded to past abuses as a reason to discredit the scientific evidence before us in regards to 9/11.

There's a name for this kind of logical fallacy BTW. It's called "Attacking the messenger," and is a type of ad hominem.

yes, in this case im using history to make a point. one learns from history. i watched the history channel show and i read the popular mechanics article. all very interesting. i just keep my mind open because of that hisory and operation mockingbird.
heres something i just found out.

Cathleen P. Black
Hearst President of Hearst Magazines (1995-)
member of Council on Foreign Relations

i wonder if she is over popular mechanics. the council on foreign relations does have an agenda.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: event8horizon
now for the hearst empire (owners of the history channel and popular mechanics).

im just showing how our media can be influenced/manipulated. also think of operation mockingbird when dealing with our media. plus 911 is most likely a "national security" issue. William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937, ?Ambassador Dodd?s Diary;? see also Court Documents: Hearst vs Gillmor, see paragraph 61: ?Promptly after this said visit with Adolf Hitler and the making of said arrangements. . . said plaintiff, William Randolph Hearst, instructed all Hearst press correspondents in Germany, including those of INS [International News Service] to report happenings in Germany only in a friendly? manner. All of such correspondents reporting happenings in Germany accurately and without friendliness, sympathy and bias for the actions of the then German government, were transferred elsewhere, discharged, or forced to resign.? According to journalist George Seldes: ?William Randolph Hearst, Sr., was the lord of all the press lords in the United States. The millions who read the Hearst newspapers and magazines and saw Hearst newsreels in the nation?s moviehouses had their minds poisoned by Hitler propaganda.., Hitler had the support of the most widely circulated magazine in history, ?Readers Digest,? as well as nineteen big-city newspapers and one of the three great American news agencies, the $220-million Hearst press empire? (George Seldes, ?Even the Gods Can?t Change History?).

or this piece-
The Fascist sympathies and support for Germany and Italy of many of the richest families in America and payments to William Randolph Hearst for favorable articles in the American press were mentioned in the letters of William Dodd, the American ambassador to Germany

1935 Letter from William E. Dodd to FDR about William Randolph Hearst

http://rationalrevolution.net/...ter_from_william_e.htm

to trust the hearst empire or not to trust. i choose not to trust.

You have totally gone over the deep end.......thats why when I wake up with a cup of coffee I read these forums...the entertainment value is priceless!!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: event8horizon
nice. i think u misseed the point. the point is how one can influence the media. thats all.

I didn't miss the point. You have no evidence that the media has been influenced in this particular case, which is why you alluded to past abuses as a reason to discredit the scientific evidence before us in regards to 9/11.

There's a name for this kind of logical fallacy BTW. It's called "Attacking the messenger," and is a type of ad hominem.

yes, in this case im using history to make a point. one learns from history. i watched the history channel show and i read the popular mechanics article. all very interesting. i just keep my mind open because of that hisory and operation mockingbird.
heres something i just found out.

Cathleen P. Black
Hearst President of Hearst Magazines (1995-)
member of Council on Foreign Relations

i wonder if she is over popular mechanics. the council on foreign relations does have an agenda.

:Q OMG! She's probably a Jew too! :Q

:roll: <^>

You CT trolls have anything BUT an open mind.

 

[Mavtek3100]

Interesting, all the cuts made by workers weren't made at an angle, which would make sense, why would you make a longer cut? Although that doesn't explain the cuts in the inner infrastructure that are at an angle.

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: event8horizon
now for the hearst empire (owners of the history channel and popular mechanics).

im just showing how our media can be influenced/manipulated. also think of operation mockingbird when dealing with our media. plus 911 is most likely a "national security" issue. William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937, ?Ambassador Dodd?s Diary;? see also Court Documents: Hearst vs Gillmor, see paragraph 61: ?Promptly after this said visit with Adolf Hitler and the making of said arrangements. . . said plaintiff, William Randolph Hearst, instructed all Hearst press correspondents in Germany, including those of INS [International News Service] to report happenings in Germany only in a friendly? manner. All of such correspondents reporting happenings in Germany accurately and without friendliness, sympathy and bias for the actions of the then German government, were transferred elsewhere, discharged, or forced to resign.? According to journalist George Seldes: ?William Randolph Hearst, Sr., was the lord of all the press lords in the United States. The millions who read the Hearst newspapers and magazines and saw Hearst newsreels in the nation?s moviehouses had their minds poisoned by Hitler propaganda.., Hitler had the support of the most widely circulated magazine in history, ?Readers Digest,? as well as nineteen big-city newspapers and one of the three great American news agencies, the $220-million Hearst press empire? (George Seldes, ?Even the Gods Can?t Change History?).

or this piece-
The Fascist sympathies and support for Germany and Italy of many of the richest families in America and payments to William Randolph Hearst for favorable articles in the American press were mentioned in the letters of William Dodd, the American ambassador to Germany

1935 Letter from William E. Dodd to FDR about William Randolph Hearst

http://rationalrevolution.net/...ter_from_william_e.htm

to trust the hearst empire or not to trust. i choose not to trust.

You have totally gone over the deep end.......thats why when I wake up with a cup of coffee I read these forums...the entertainment value is priceless!!

look into it. operation mockingbird was and could still be up and running. and if u dont think 9-11 was a national security nightmare, u really need to wake up. it dosent matter if osama did it or as that italian prez theory that the cia and mossad were the brains behind it.

 

[event8horizon]

another cfr member-

Bruce L. Paisner
Executive Vice President
Hearst Entertainment & Syndication
Paisner serves on the boards of directors of Lifetime Entertainment Services, A&E Network, The History Channel, Cosmopolitan Channel Iberia, Cosmopolitan Channel Latin America and the Locomotion animation channel. He is President and Chief Executive Officer of the International Academy of Television Arts & Sciences, the largest organization of global broadcasters, with representatives from over 60 countries on its Board. He is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.


lets see how many we can find in hearst!!

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Even though you think you answered that question you didn't touch any of the other questions? My God and you call conspiracy theorists stupid?

Yes, and I will continue to do so until proven otherwise.

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Your spinning things fella . Forget the planes . The clean up at ground zero. If the government would have told the trueth about health hazards at ground zero . The stock market in USA would have been disrupted. Instead the Government changed the heaslth reports ' IT documented. 70 or more people have already died from the waste hazards its documented . THis was murder and manslaughter. Spinn it some more but these fact are facts . Go into denial I could careless. But spinning it more and denying the facts you share in this injustic. This is only in conjunction to the clean up,

Originally posted by: event8horizon
i looked on their popular mechanics website that the distant cousin of michael chertoff, benjamin chertoff put together to debunk the ct. i coulnt find anything about thermite??? some of the angled cuts from what the ct's think, were from thermite.
after the attack, oxyacetylene torches they used to cut the steel. they dont make that black hardened molten iron that thermite makes where the cut is.
this video shows the oxyacetylene cuts.

Why is the first victim of conspiracy theories legible writing and the written word? What do you have against it.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Interesting, all the cuts made by workers weren't made at an angle, which would make sense, why would you make a longer cut? Although that doesn't explain the cuts in the inner infrastructure that are at an angle.

I already linked to a page that shows cuts being made at an angle by the workers.

Your replies are a prime example why it gets ridiculous having a discussion with 9/11 conspriacy theorists. They blatantly ignore information that's right in front of their face but readily see things that aren't even there.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: event8horizon
another cfr member-

Bruce L. Paisner
Executive Vice President
Hearst Entertainment & Syndication
Paisner serves on the boards of directors of Lifetime Entertainment Services, A&E Network, The History Channel, Cosmopolitan Channel Iberia, Cosmopolitan Channel Latin America and the Locomotion animation channel. He is President and Chief Executive Officer of the International Academy of Television Arts & Sciences, the largest organization of global broadcasters, with representatives from over 60 countries on its Board. He is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.


lets see how many we can find in hearst!!

I don't give a crap what the Hearst corporation's bias might be because, guess what, everything that the Popular Mechanics article claims can be backed up by facts. That's right, facts. Those facts can even be verified by other sources including, but not limited to, the NIST report.

I want to know why I should believe some idiot with internet access and youtube versus 250 professionals? I want to know why I should give you any credit whatsoever when you cannot provide a piece of credible evidence, when all you post are regurgitated statements that are factually incorrect.

You claim Silverstein was given 7 billion dollars in a settlement, which isn't the case. You claimed the NIST found thermite at Ground Zero, which is not true. Every single statement you've made is riddled with simple factual errors.

Here is what you should provide to me:
- FACTS that tie the government planted explosives in the towers, that the government facilitated the attacks, or that the government shot the towers with missiles.
- FACTS that explain how the Hearst corporation is involved in 9/11.
- FACTS showing me there is ANY shred of evidence that there was something awry with the NIST report.

Here is what I don't want:
- Telling me that NORAD should have intercepted the planes. This wasn't possible for reasons I outlined in an earlier post.
- Posting links to Youtube videos about guys hauling away pieces of the towers.
- Posting links to other people making outrageous claims.
- Anything that doesn't have any shred of factual basis.
- Anything that denies, without ample evidence, the FACTS I've posted here.