BeauJangles
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If the government was involved in 9/11 why the hell would they inform the media prior to executing their plan? They wouldn't! Why would you TELL people that you've got a hand in a terror event? You wouldn't. You'd let the event unfold as if you had nothing to do with it. Think about it.
Why would they tell the BBC (not even controlled by an evil corporation) that they were going to blow up WTC 7 before it happened? Why? Why? Why? It's not like people wouldn't notice the building collapsing without the government notifying everyone.
gsellis
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Loose Change inspires me. I think I will take some pictures of a baby in a cabbage patch. Since you can just ignore all of the other evidence of where babies come from... The pic of the baby in a cabbage patch PROVES that that is where babies come from.
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Vic
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How so?First, what BBC reported was that WTC7 was going to fall. The building was badly weakened (a 20 story gash in it from WTC1 landing on it) and on fire, engineers determined collapse was imminent, and emergency personnel were pulled back some time before it fell (most likely in an effort to prevent a repeat of the morning's tragedy). That is what the BBC reported.
Second, even if the BBC did do what you say, that would NOT be "pretty damming evidence that something underhanded occurred." Really, the basic logic skills of you CT'ers is severely lacking, to say the least.
BeauJangles
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To be fair, Vic, I'm pretty sure they did report that the building collapsed. That being said, your argument still stands. Why would the government tell the BBC that they were going to blow up WTC 7 before they did it?
u got me mixed up with someone else man, i never mentioned silverstein. i never claimed the nist found thermite.
here is something "awry" with the nist report. they didnt have any steel from wtc7 to analyze. they blame it on fire/debris. ok, prove that the fire/debris did that. well shit, no steel to analyze. does anyone know what happened to all the steel from wtc7.
BeauJangles
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I shouldn't have quoted you directly because that was aimed at several posters.
As for the steel, I'm not sure what good "analyzing" the steel would have been. I'm no expert here and, maybe in the aftermath they did make a mistake and maybe they should have saved some of the rubble, but I still fail to see what that would reveal. The NIST is not done with its analysis for WTC 7, so the official report won't be released for about five more months.
As for the steel, I'm not sure what good "analyzing" the steel would have been. I'm no expert here and, maybe in the aftermath they did make a mistake and maybe they should have saved some of the rubble, but I still fail to see what that would reveal. The NIST is not done with its analysis for WTC 7, so the official report won't be released for about five more months.
TastesLikeChicken
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Damning evidence? It's not evidence, that's pure speculation that the BBC somehow had "inside" information and nothing more. Do you have any proof at all that it wasn't simply a misunderstanding on their part? After all it had already been reported earlier in the day that WTC 7 had been evacuated because it was projected to collapse at any time. Not to mention that it's the very same BBC that screwed up the hijacker identifications. The media is not infallible. To imply they are is ridiculous.
gsellis
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"Analyze the steel"
I hear that blacksmithing is impossible. Only molten steel can change shape or be soft enough to bend. So this carp about making swords, horseshoes, etc., in the middle-ages was all horsesqueeze. ALIENS gave us all that stuff.
edit - BB, just agreeing with you.
this is an interesting video about the 7-7 london bombings. the media had a script they were rehearsing that day. the strange thing is, the script played out in real life fairly close to what really happened. this deals with the bbc and there's even some israeli video cameras in it that didnt work that day!! i havent research it yet but the script thing is very interesting.
TastesLikeChicken
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BeauJangles
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no, i said their security cameras were down. from what i remember, wasnt their an israeli security firm on 911 that had their cameras not working either. i think the camera that would have got a perfect picture of atta and the other guy that came with him was not working. the one behind the desk.
Although recognizing the two men (atta and the other guy), he notices that in the video they are no longer wearing the jackets and ties they?d had on when checking in just minutes before. He assumes they must have taken these off and tucked them into their carry-on baggage. He is also informed that the security camera behind his own desk, which should have captured the two hijackers, has in fact been out of order for some time.
Sure enough, a visit to ICTS' own web site at http://www.icts-int.com/ confirms that ICTS is in fact an Israeli owned company, and that it sells services to every airport from which the hijacked planes operated, including security, sometimes through wholly owned subsidiaries like Huntleigh USA Corporation.
the captain was a jesuit!!! the jesuits did it!!! haha. lol....
are u going to believe the nist report (final) for wtc7 if they still have NO steel to analyze???
BeauJangles
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Well, thus far I think their working theory is sound. I agree it won't be 100%, but I'm not sure what steel analysis would really add to the credibility. Basically, I view Sept 11 as a catastrophe that nobody predicted and nobody modeled. There was no plan in the event terrorists slammed planes into skyscrapers and, despite our exposure to explosions and collapses courtesy of videogames and movies, I'm not surprised to find out that things in real life work out differently than in fiction.
Right now, the NIST analysis is the best we have and right now there is no evidence of any foul play in the collapse of the building.
Realize that many of the "events", when taken by themselves, do not mean much. But when you put them together, create a rather disturbing picture.
You are the head of the President`s Secret Service detail. What are you supposed to do?
We already know what actually happened.
The country is under attack from forces unknown (at the time, supposedly), the President has just been notified.
You are the head of the President`s Secret Service detail. What are you supposed to do?
We already know what actually happened.
BeauJangles
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Originally posted by: OokiiNeko
Realize that many of the "events", when taken by themselves, do not mean much. But when you put them together, create a rather disturbing picture.
The country is under attack from forces unknown (at the time, supposedly), the President has just been notified.
You are the head of the President`s Secret Service detail. What are you supposed to do?
We already know what actually happened.
So now the "government" told the BBC they were going to destroy WTC 7 AND they told the Secret Service that there was going to be an attack that was orchestrated by the "government" so they shouldn't worry about the President's safety?
Really.
Why would the "government" tell the Secret Service about the attack? Why wouldn't they just let the Secret service think that the attack was real. After all, that would make it more realistic.
I'm just trying to make sure I understand your 'reasoning.' The "government" willfully informed more people than were necessary about the attack prior to it happening for no discernible reason?
TastesLikeChicken
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So where are all the people who knew in advance? Conspiracy theorists have managed to involve thousands who supposedly knew of this plan before it happened. Yet not a SINGLE person with any sort of credibility has stepped forward to claim they knew of this dastardly plan in advance. Considering that this admin can't manage to keep anything secret, that's pretty flippin' amazing.
Nemesis 1
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Originally posted by: Vic
First, what BBC reported was that WTC7 was going to fall. The building was badly weakened (a 20 story gash in it from WTC1 landing on it) and on fire, engineers determined collapse was imminent, and emergency personnel were pulled back some time before it fell (most likely in an effort to prevent a repeat of the morning's tragedy). That is what the BBC reported.
Second, even if the BBC did do what you say, that would NOT be "pretty damming evidence that something underhanded occurred." Really, the basic logic skills of you CT'ers is severely lacking, to say the least.
Not true a watched it . She reported the Building was down. All the while you could see it in the background . Some body screwed up big time.
Those 3 building going down from fire is the First time in history its happened all in the same day . For one to go down I thought ok . When the second went down i started saying what the hell. When the Third went down I new. So beings it was the first time its ever happened . Why would anyone say its going to go down . You can believe what you want.
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