9/11 Loose Change Final Cut Released Online

[TastesLikeChicken]

http://www.debunking911.com/

 

[LOUISSSSS]

this was a GREAT FILM and all the points make enough sense for me to believe that 911 was staged, along with the points on religion and banking

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
http://www.debunking911.com/

i looked at that website. i was wondering who owned it and did a lookup but couldnt find any names. then on the website i see this:

Q: Why do you hide your identity?
A: It should be none of anyone's business who I am. If I'm right, the evidence will back me up. If I'm wrong the evidence will expose it the same as if you knew who I was.


i did look at the "meteorite" debunking claim. it looks to me as though he presents another "meteorite" as the debunker, not the one steven jones presents.

http://www.debunking911.com/jones.htm

"Large pieces of debris, likened to meteorites by preservationists, are actually several floors of the towers compressed together as the buildings collapsed. Furniture, twisted metal, pipes, cords and even papers with legible type are visible. The pieces are kept in a humidity-controlled tent in Hangar 17 of Kennedy International Airport."

now for the fema report of wtc7 steel.
Several regions in the section of the beam shown in Figures C-1 and C-2 were examined to determine microstructural changes that occurred in the A36 structural steel as a result of the events of September 11, 2001, and the subsequent fires. Although the exact location of this beam in the building was not known, the severe erosion found in several beams warranted further consideration. In this preliminary study, optical and scanning electron metallography techniques were used to examine the most severely eroded regions as exemplified in the metallurgical mount shown in Figure C-3. Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfication with subsequent intragranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel. This sulfur-rich liquid penetrated preferentially down grain boundaries of the steel, severely weakening the beam and making it susceptible to erosion. The eutectic temperature for this mixture strongly suggests that the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached 1,000 °C (1,800 °F), which is substantially lower than would be expected for melting this steel.

Summary for Sample 1

The thinning of the steel occurred by a high-temperture corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation.

Heating of the steel into a hot corrosive environment approaching 1,000 °C (1,800 °F) results in the formation of a eutectic mixture of iron, oxygen, and sulfur that liquefied the steel.

The sulfidation attack of steel grain boundaries accelerated the corrosion and erosion of the steel.

from the nist report.
NIST NCSTAR 1-3: Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel
"The analysis focused on the WTC 1 and WTC 2. Although no steel was recovered from WTC 7, a 47-story building that also collapsed on September 11, properties for steel used in its construction were estimated based on literature and contemporaneous documents.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
http://www.debunking911.com/

i looked at that website. i was wondering who owned it and did a lookup but couldnt find any names. then on the website i see this:

Q: Why do you hide your identity?
A: It should be none of anyone's business who I am. If I'm right, the evidence will back me up. If I'm wrong the evidence will expose it the same as if you knew who I was.


i did look at the "meteorite" debunking claim. it looks to me as though he presents another "meteorite" as the debunker, not the one steven jones presents.

http://www.debunking911.com/jones.htm

"Large pieces of debris, likened to meteorites by preservationists, are actually several floors of the towers compressed together as the buildings collapsed. Furniture, twisted metal, pipes, cords and even papers with legible type are visible. The pieces are kept in a humidity-controlled tent in Hangar 17 of Kennedy International Airport."

now for the fema report of wtc7 steel.
Several regions in the section of the beam shown in Figures C-1 and C-2 were examined to determine microstructural changes that occurred in the A36 structural steel as a result of the events of September 11, 2001, and the subsequent fires. Although the exact location of this beam in the building was not known, the severe erosion found in several beams warranted further consideration. In this preliminary study, optical and scanning electron metallography techniques were used to examine the most severely eroded regions as exemplified in the metallurgical mount shown in Figure C-3. Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfication with subsequent intragranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel. This sulfur-rich liquid penetrated preferentially down grain boundaries of the steel, severely weakening the beam and making it susceptible to erosion. The eutectic temperature for this mixture strongly suggests that the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached 1,000 °C (1,800 °F), which is substantially lower than would be expected for melting this steel.

Summary for Sample 1

The thinning of the steel occurred by a high-temperture corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation.

Heating of the steel into a hot corrosive environment approaching 1,000 °C (1,800 °F) results in the formation of a eutectic mixture of iron, oxygen, and sulfur that liquefied the steel.

The sulfidation attack of steel grain boundaries accelerated the corrosion and erosion of the steel.

from the nist report.
NIST NCSTAR 1-3: Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel
"The analysis focused on the WTC 1 and WTC 2. Although no steel was recovered from WTC 7, a 47-story building that also collapsed on September 11, properties for steel used in its construction were estimated based on literature and contemporaneous documents.

And?

You C&P information but continually shy away from making any actual assertions of your own which is, one can only assume, to avoid having to defend those assrrtions. Instead of the equivalent of a post and run, how about providing an analysis in your own words of what you believe those findings imply. Let's stop with the appeals to authority and linking to websites (Which was my point of just posting a link to debunking911.com; to demonstrate how simple it is to post a link in order to rely on others to make your argument for you.) I always get the impression that when CTs do that sort of thing it's because they don't understand enough to discuss these issues, particularly the physics and engineering aspects, on their own. If that's the case, how can any of them truly comprehend those technical aspects in the first place to determine what's true and what's pure baloney?

So can you discuss any of this without having to rely on links and appeals to authority? Let's hear what YOU have to say.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
http://www.debunking911.com/

i looked at that website. i was wondering who owned it and did a lookup but couldnt find any names. then on the website i see this:

Q: Why do you hide your identity?
A: It should be none of anyone's business who I am. If I'm right, the evidence will back me up. If I'm wrong the evidence will expose it the same as if you knew who I was.


i did look at the "meteorite" debunking claim. it looks to me as though he presents another "meteorite" as the debunker, not the one steven jones presents.

http://www.debunking911.com/jones.htm

"Large pieces of debris, likened to meteorites by preservationists, are actually several floors of the towers compressed together as the buildings collapsed. Furniture, twisted metal, pipes, cords and even papers with legible type are visible. The pieces are kept in a humidity-controlled tent in Hangar 17 of Kennedy International Airport."

now for the fema report of wtc7 steel.
Several regions in the section of the beam shown in Figures C-1 and C-2 were examined to determine microstructural changes that occurred in the A36 structural steel as a result of the events of September 11, 2001, and the subsequent fires. Although the exact location of this beam in the building was not known, the severe erosion found in several beams warranted further consideration. In this preliminary study, optical and scanning electron metallography techniques were used to examine the most severely eroded regions as exemplified in the metallurgical mount shown in Figure C-3. Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfication with subsequent intragranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel. This sulfur-rich liquid penetrated preferentially down grain boundaries of the steel, severely weakening the beam and making it susceptible to erosion. The eutectic temperature for this mixture strongly suggests that the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached 1,000 °C (1,800 °F), which is substantially lower than would be expected for melting this steel.

Summary for Sample 1

The thinning of the steel occurred by a high-temperture corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation.

Heating of the steel into a hot corrosive environment approaching 1,000 °C (1,800 °F) results in the formation of a eutectic mixture of iron, oxygen, and sulfur that liquefied the steel.

The sulfidation attack of steel grain boundaries accelerated the corrosion and erosion of the steel.

from the nist report.
NIST NCSTAR 1-3: Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel
"The analysis focused on the WTC 1 and WTC 2. Although no steel was recovered from WTC 7, a 47-story building that also collapsed on September 11, properties for steel used in its construction were estimated based on literature and contemporaneous documents.

And?

You C&P information but continually shy away from making any actual assertions of your own which is, one can only assume, to avoid having to defend those assrrtions. Instead of the equivalent of a post and run, how about providing an analysis in your own words of what you believe those findings imply. Let's stop with the appeals to authority and linking to websites (Which was my point of just posting a link to debunking911.com; to demonstrate how simple it is to post a link in order to rely on others to make your argument for you.) I always get the impression that when CTs do that sort of thing it's because they don't understand enough to discuss these issues, particularly the physics and engineering aspects, on their own. If that's the case, how can any of them truly comprehend those technical aspects in the first place to determine what's true and what's pure baloney?

So can you discuss any of this without having to rely on links and appeals to authority? Let's hear what YOU have to say.

Figures. Can't refute the evidence so you attack the messenger. :laugh:

Nothing new for you.

event8horizon - Just let this kid spout his BS. He will get you into a circular argument thereby foregoing the subsequent and inevitability of his own defeat.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Figures. Can't refute the evidence so you attack the messenger. :laugh:

Nothing new for you.

event8horizon - Just let this kid spout his BS. He will get you into a circular argument thereby foregoing the subsequent and inevitability of his own defeat.

Translation: TLC smoked me previously in a discussion on 9/11 so don't actually say anything and follow the usual CT rules of post & run or else you'll get trounced on this subject.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Figures. Can't refute the evidence so you attack the messenger. :laugh:

Nothing new for you.

event8horizon - Just let this kid spout his BS. He will get you into a circular argument thereby foregoing the subsequent and inevitability of his own defeat.

Translation: TLC smoked me previously in a discussion on 9/11 so don't actually say anything and follow the usual CT rules of post & run or else you'll get trounced on this subject.

^^He knows all folks. Tells the truth every time :roll:

Notice how he still doesn't have an answer to event8horizon?

Thanks for proving my point about you :laugh:

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
http://www.debunking911.com/

i looked at that website. i was wondering who owned it and did a lookup but couldnt find any names. then on the website i see this:

Q: Why do you hide your identity?
A: It should be none of anyone's business who I am. If I'm right, the evidence will back me up. If I'm wrong the evidence will expose it the same as if you knew who I was.


i did look at the "meteorite" debunking claim. it looks to me as though he presents another "meteorite" as the debunker, not the one steven jones presents.

http://www.debunking911.com/jones.htm

"Large pieces of debris, likened to meteorites by preservationists, are actually several floors of the towers compressed together as the buildings collapsed. Furniture, twisted metal, pipes, cords and even papers with legible type are visible. The pieces are kept in a humidity-controlled tent in Hangar 17 of Kennedy International Airport."

now for the fema report of wtc7 steel.
Several regions in the section of the beam shown in Figures C-1 and C-2 were examined to determine microstructural changes that occurred in the A36 structural steel as a result of the events of September 11, 2001, and the subsequent fires. Although the exact location of this beam in the building was not known, the severe erosion found in several beams warranted further consideration. In this preliminary study, optical and scanning electron metallography techniques were used to examine the most severely eroded regions as exemplified in the metallurgical mount shown in Figure C-3. Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfication with subsequent intragranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel. This sulfur-rich liquid penetrated preferentially down grain boundaries of the steel, severely weakening the beam and making it susceptible to erosion. The eutectic temperature for this mixture strongly suggests that the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached 1,000 °C (1,800 °F), which is substantially lower than would be expected for melting this steel.

Summary for Sample 1

The thinning of the steel occurred by a high-temperture corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation.

Heating of the steel into a hot corrosive environment approaching 1,000 °C (1,800 °F) results in the formation of a eutectic mixture of iron, oxygen, and sulfur that liquefied the steel.

The sulfidation attack of steel grain boundaries accelerated the corrosion and erosion of the steel.

from the nist report.
NIST NCSTAR 1-3: Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel
"The analysis focused on the WTC 1 and WTC 2. Although no steel was recovered from WTC 7, a 47-story building that also collapsed on September 11, properties for steel used in its construction were estimated based on literature and contemporaneous documents.

And?

You C&P information but continually shy away from making any actual assertions of your own which is, one can only assume, to avoid having to defend those assrrtions. Instead of the equivalent of a post and run, how about providing an analysis in your own words of what you believe those findings imply. Let's stop with the appeals to authority and linking to websites (Which was my point of just posting a link to debunking911.com; to demonstrate how simple it is to post a link in order to rely on others to make your argument for you.) I always get the impression that when CTs do that sort of thing it's because they don't understand enough to discuss these issues, particularly the physics and engineering aspects, on their own. If that's the case, how can any of them truly comprehend those technical aspects in the first place to determine what's true and what's pure baloney?

So can you discuss any of this without having to rely on links and appeals to authority? Let's hear what YOU have to say.

i question the nist report. fema had some steel, nist didnt from wtc7. im just showing the readers the inconsistancies.
i do get your point. if i linked something saying rogue element of the cia, mi6, isi, mossad and with the "aid of the zionist world" like that ex italian prez said, it would be a different story. my links are mostly from the nist and fema report.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Figures. Can't refute the evidence so you attack the messenger. :laugh:

Nothing new for you.

event8horizon - Just let this kid spout his BS. He will get you into a circular argument thereby foregoing the subsequent and inevitability of his own defeat.

Translation: TLC smoked me previously in a discussion on 9/11 so don't actually say anything and follow the usual CT rules of post & run or else you'll get trounced on this subject.

^^He knows all folks. Tells the truth every time :roll:

Notice how he still doesn't have an answer to event8horizon?

Thanks for proving my point about you :laugh:

I didn't claim to know all. But I trounced you on the subject.

And the reason I don't have an answer to event8horizon is because he doesn't come to any conclusion. He posts findings with no conclusion and DOESN'T even bother to state what he believes those findings mean. That's why I'm requesting that he state a conclusion instead of making ambiguous C&P posts.

Now is that clear or do I need to explain it to you again, idiot?

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
http://www.debunking911.com/

i aslo watched the italian website video of someone cutting through steel. the "sludge" was silver in color. not that black looking sludge that the CTs think are thermite cuts.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

I didn't claim to know all. But I trounced you on the subject.

And the reason I don't have an answer to event8horizon is because he doesn't come to any conclusion. He posts findings with no conclusion and DOESN'T even bother to state what he believes those findings mean. That's why I'm requesting that he state a conclusion instead of making ambiguous C&P posts.

Now is that clear or do I need to explain it to you again, idiot?

As far as I know, you never "trounced" anyone in your entire life, including me. But that is beside the fact you have continued with your circular argument crap that you always resort to when you get backed into a corner. Have you ever admitted you were wrong about anything on this forum? I can say I have, because I'm not right about everything. You on the other hand are adamant about being right and therefore use those circular tactics to avoid facing such "disgrace". Sad

 

[event8horizon]

surgeon- what did tlc trounce u on????

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: event8horizon
i question the nist report. fema had some steel, nist didnt from wtc7. im just showing the readers the inconsistancies.
i do get your point. if i linked something saying rogue element of the cia, mi6, isi, mossad and with the "aid of the zionist world" like that ex italian prez said, it would be a different story. my links are mostly from the nist and fema report.

You question the FEMA report how, exactly? What do you question? What are you trying to claim about the corroded steel? What's is the implication of not testing any steel from WTC 7? Why do you omit the fact that steel from WTC 1 and WTC 2 was tested for explosives by FEMA and nothing was found?

You make a lot of implications and suggestions but don't really say anything concrete. Obviously you have an opinion on what those things mean, so let's hear it. Otherwise your argument is little more than begging the question, a well known logical fallacy.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: event8horizon
surgeon- what did tlc trounce u on????

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...ey=y&keyword1=pentagon

Seems PC Surgeon has some short-term memory issues.

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
i question the nist report. fema had some steel, nist didnt from wtc7. im just showing the readers the inconsistancies.
i do get your point. if i linked something saying rogue element of the cia, mi6, isi, mossad and with the "aid of the zionist world" like that ex italian prez said, it would be a different story. my links are mostly from the nist and fema report.

You question the FEMA report how, exactly? What do you question? What are you trying to claim about the corroded steel? What's is the implication of not testing any steel from WTC 7? Why do you omit the fact that steel from WTC 1 and WTC 2 was tested for explosives by FEMA and nothing was found?

You make a lot of implications and suggestions but don't really say anything concrete. Obviously you have an opinion on what those things mean, so let's hear it. Otherwise your argument is little more than begging the question, a well known logical fallacy.

u dont find it strange fema had some steel to analyze and nist did not. we will see in a few months when the nist report comes out. until then, thats all im saying about that.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
i question the nist report. fema had some steel, nist didnt from wtc7. im just showing the readers the inconsistancies.
i do get your point. if i linked something saying rogue element of the cia, mi6, isi, mossad and with the "aid of the zionist world" like that ex italian prez said, it would be a different story. my links are mostly from the nist and fema report.

You question the FEMA report how, exactly? What do you question? What are you trying to claim about the corroded steel? What's is the implication of not testing any steel from WTC 7? Why do you omit the fact that steel from WTC 1 and WTC 2 was tested for explosives by FEMA and nothing was found?

You make a lot of implications and suggestions but don't really say anything concrete. Obviously you have an opinion on what those things mean, so let's hear it. Otherwise your argument is little more than begging the question, a well known logical fallacy.

u dont find it strange fema had some steel to analyze and nist did not. we will see in a few months when the nist report comes out. until then, thats all im saying about that.

No, I don't find it strange at all. They are two separate agencies with two different tasks in regard to the 9/11 structure collapses.

Besides that, the fact that there was no indication whatsoever of any demolitions residue or chemical markers found in the WTC 1 and WTC 2 steel that was tested already blows a massive hole in the theory that WTC 7 was a controlled detonation. If one is to believe that WTC 7 was a demolition then the grand plan was to fly planes into WTC 1 and WTC 2 to have them collapse in order to hide the Demolition of WTC 7? C'mon, that's got to be too wacky and convoluted even for conspriacy theorists to buy.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
surgeon- what did tlc trounce u on????

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...ey=y&keyword1=pentagon

Seems PC Surgeon has some short-term memory issues.

Yeah you "trounced" me in that thread. :roll:

I see a mutual discussion and no where near a "trouncing". Try again :laugh:

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
i question the nist report. fema had some steel, nist didnt from wtc7. im just showing the readers the inconsistancies.
i do get your point. if i linked something saying rogue element of the cia, mi6, isi, mossad and with the "aid of the zionist world" like that ex italian prez said, it would be a different story. my links are mostly from the nist and fema report.

You question the FEMA report how, exactly? What do you question? What are you trying to claim about the corroded steel? What's is the implication of not testing any steel from WTC 7? Why do you omit the fact that steel from WTC 1 and WTC 2 was tested for explosives by FEMA and nothing was found?

You make a lot of implications and suggestions but don't really say anything concrete. Obviously you have an opinion on what those things mean, so let's hear it. Otherwise your argument is little more than begging the question, a well known logical fallacy.

u dont find it strange fema had some steel to analyze and nist did not. we will see in a few months when the nist report comes out. until then, thats all im saying about that.

No, I don't find it strange at all. They are two separate agencies with two different tasks in regard to the 9/11 structure collapses.

Besides that, the fact that there was no indication whatsoever of any demolitions residue or chemical markers found in the WTC 1 and WTC 2 steel that was tested already blows a massive hole in the theory that WTC 7 was a controlled detonation. If one is to believe that WTC 7 was a demolition then the grand plan was to fly planes into WTC 1 and WTC 2 to have them collapse in order to hide the Demolition of WTC 7? C'mon, that's got to be too wacky and convoluted even for conspriacy theorists to buy.

NIST NCSTAR 1-3: Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel
"The analysis focused on the WTC 1 and WTC 2. Although no steel was recovered from WTC 7, a 47-story building that also collapsed on September 11, properties for steel used in its construction were estimated based on literature and contemporaneous documents.

 

[event8horizon]

fema did a Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel. nist looks as though they wanted to also but had NO STEEL.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
i question the nist report. fema had some steel, nist didnt from wtc7. im just showing the readers the inconsistancies.
i do get your point. if i linked something saying rogue element of the cia, mi6, isi, mossad and with the "aid of the zionist world" like that ex italian prez said, it would be a different story. my links are mostly from the nist and fema report.

You question the FEMA report how, exactly? What do you question? What are you trying to claim about the corroded steel? What's is the implication of not testing any steel from WTC 7? Why do you omit the fact that steel from WTC 1 and WTC 2 was tested for explosives by FEMA and nothing was found?

You make a lot of implications and suggestions but don't really say anything concrete. Obviously you have an opinion on what those things mean, so let's hear it. Otherwise your argument is little more than begging the question, a well known logical fallacy.

u dont find it strange fema had some steel to analyze and nist did not. we will see in a few months when the nist report comes out. until then, thats all im saying about that.

No, I don't find it strange at all. They are two separate agencies with two different tasks in regard to the 9/11 structure collapses.

Besides that, the fact that there was no indication whatsoever of any demolitions residue or chemical markers found in the WTC 1 and WTC 2 steel that was tested already blows a massive hole in the theory that WTC 7 was a controlled detonation. If one is to believe that WTC 7 was a demolition then the grand plan was to fly planes into WTC 1 and WTC 2 to have them collapse in order to hide the Demolition of WTC 7? C'mon, that's got to be too wacky and convoluted even for conspriacy theorists to buy.

NIST NCSTAR 1-3: Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel
"The analysis focused on the WTC 1 and WTC 2. Although no steel was recovered from WTC 7, a 47-story building that also collapsed on September 11, properties for steel used in its construction were estimated based on literature and contemporaneous documents.

Why do you keep reposting this? What is your point? Without your conclusion it's completely meaningless for you to post it in the first place.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
surgeon- what did tlc trounce u on????

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...ey=y&keyword1=pentagon

Seems PC Surgeon has some short-term memory issues.

Yeah you "trounced" me in that thread. :roll:

I see a mutual discussion and no where near a "trouncing". Try again :laugh:

And that's why you exited the thread never to return? Mutual discussion was getting too much you?

lol.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
surgeon- what did tlc trounce u on????

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...ey=y&keyword1=pentagon

Seems PC Surgeon has some short-term memory issues.

Yeah you "trounced" me in that thread. :roll:

I see a mutual discussion and no where near a "trouncing". Try again :laugh:

And that's why you exited the thread never to return? Mutual discussion was getting too much you?

lol.

Yeah you like so owned me.... like so badly...OMG I'll never recover from teh ownedness :roll:

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
i question the nist report. fema had some steel, nist didnt from wtc7. im just showing the readers the inconsistancies.
i do get your point. if i linked something saying rogue element of the cia, mi6, isi, mossad and with the "aid of the zionist world" like that ex italian prez said, it would be a different story. my links are mostly from the nist and fema report.

You question the FEMA report how, exactly? What do you question? What are you trying to claim about the corroded steel? What's is the implication of not testing any steel from WTC 7? Why do you omit the fact that steel from WTC 1 and WTC 2 was tested for explosives by FEMA and nothing was found?

You make a lot of implications and suggestions but don't really say anything concrete. Obviously you have an opinion on what those things mean, so let's hear it. Otherwise your argument is little more than begging the question, a well known logical fallacy.

u dont find it strange fema had some steel to analyze and nist did not. we will see in a few months when the nist report comes out. until then, thats all im saying about that.

No, I don't find it strange at all. They are two separate agencies with two different tasks in regard to the 9/11 structure collapses.
Besides that, the fact that there was no indication whatsoever of any demolitions residue or chemical markers found in the WTC 1 and WTC 2 steel that was tested already blows a massive hole in the theory that WTC 7 was a controlled detonation. If one is to believe that WTC 7 was a demolition then the grand plan was to fly planes into WTC 1 and WTC 2 to have them collapse in order to hide the Demolition of WTC 7? C'mon, that's got to be too wacky and convoluted even for conspriacy theorists to buy.

this is why i reposted. 2 different tasks?? they both wanted to analyze the steel. thats why. one had some, one didnt.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
i question the nist report. fema had some steel, nist didnt from wtc7. im just showing the readers the inconsistancies.
i do get your point. if i linked something saying rogue element of the cia, mi6, isi, mossad and with the "aid of the zionist world" like that ex italian prez said, it would be a different story. my links are mostly from the nist and fema report.

You question the FEMA report how, exactly? What do you question? What are you trying to claim about the corroded steel? What's is the implication of not testing any steel from WTC 7? Why do you omit the fact that steel from WTC 1 and WTC 2 was tested for explosives by FEMA and nothing was found?

You make a lot of implications and suggestions but don't really say anything concrete. Obviously you have an opinion on what those things mean, so let's hear it. Otherwise your argument is little more than begging the question, a well known logical fallacy.

u dont find it strange fema had some steel to analyze and nist did not. we will see in a few months when the nist report comes out. until then, thats all im saying about that.

No, I don't find it strange at all. They are two separate agencies with two different tasks in regard to the 9/11 structure collapses.
Besides that, the fact that there was no indication whatsoever of any demolitions residue or chemical markers found in the WTC 1 and WTC 2 steel that was tested already blows a massive hole in the theory that WTC 7 was a controlled detonation. If one is to believe that WTC 7 was a demolition then the grand plan was to fly planes into WTC 1 and WTC 2 to have them collapse in order to hide the Demolition of WTC 7? C'mon, that's got to be too wacky and convoluted even for conspriacy theorists to buy.

this is why i reposted. 2 different tasks?? they both wanted to analyze the steel. thats why. one had some, one didnt.

Yes, two different tasks. FEMA was tasked to discover why WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed. NIST is tasked to look into the collapses in order to enhance future standards and ensure safer building codes in the future. It's a "lessons learned" sort of approach. Those are two entirely different tasks.

As far as "wanting" to analyze the steel, the NIST document doesn't seem to express any such desire. It's a short, matter-of-fact statement that defines where NIST got its information on the material properties from.

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
i question the nist report. fema had some steel, nist didnt from wtc7. im just showing the readers the inconsistancies.
i do get your point. if i linked something saying rogue element of the cia, mi6, isi, mossad and with the "aid of the zionist world" like that ex italian prez said, it would be a different story. my links are mostly from the nist and fema report.

You question the FEMA report how, exactly? What do you question? What are you trying to claim about the corroded steel? What's is the implication of not testing any steel from WTC 7? Why do you omit the fact that steel from WTC 1 and WTC 2 was tested for explosives by FEMA and nothing was found?

You make a lot of implications and suggestions but don't really say anything concrete. Obviously you have an opinion on what those things mean, so let's hear it. Otherwise your argument is little more than begging the question, a well known logical fallacy.

u dont find it strange fema had some steel to analyze and nist did not. we will see in a few months when the nist report comes out. until then, thats all im saying about that.

No, I don't find it strange at all. They are two separate agencies with two different tasks in regard to the 9/11 structure collapses.
Besides that, the fact that there was no indication whatsoever of any demolitions residue or chemical markers found in the WTC 1 and WTC 2 steel that was tested already blows a massive hole in the theory that WTC 7 was a controlled detonation. If one is to believe that WTC 7 was a demolition then the grand plan was to fly planes into WTC 1 and WTC 2 to have them collapse in order to hide the Demolition of WTC 7? C'mon, that's got to be too wacky and convoluted even for conspriacy theorists to buy.

this is why i reposted. 2 different tasks?? they both wanted to analyze the steel. thats why. one had some, one didnt.

Yes, two different tasks. FEMA was tasked to discover why WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed. NIST is tasked to look into the collapses in order to enhance future standards and ensure safer building codes in the future. It's a "lessons learned" sort of approach. Those are two entirely different tasks.

As far as "wanting" to analyze the steel, the NIST document doesn't seem to express any such desire. It's a short, matter-of-fact statement that defines where NIST got its information on the material properties from.

http://wtc.nist.gov/oct05NCSTAR1-3index.htm

TLC states - NIST is tasked to look into the collapses in order to enhance future standards and ensure safer building codes in the future. wouldnt it be a good idea to look at that wtc 7 steel fema had to analyze it in order to enhance future standards considering what that steels properties showed.

also nist states - Analyze the recovered steel to provide insight into failure mechanisms to guide and/or validate models of building performance. that steel the fema report had sounded pretty f'ed up. nist needs to analyze it i would assume.

Final Reports of the Federal Building and Fire
Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster

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NIST NCSTAR 1-3: Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel
This report is an overview of the results of the mechanical and metallurgical analysis of structural steel from the World Trade Center (WTC), part of the National Institute of Standards and Technology Investigation of the WTC disaster of September 11, 2001. The goal of the study was threefold: Determine mechanical properties of WTC structural steel, Determine the quality of the steel and if design requirements were met, and Analyze the recovered steel to provide insight into failure mechanisms to guide and/or validate models of building performance. Structural steel recovered from the WTC site was analyzed for composition, microstructure, and mechanical properties, including room temperature properties (for modeling baseline building performance), high temperature properties (for modeling structural response of the building to fire), and behavior at high strain rates (for modeling airplane impact). Failure analysis of the recovered steel, complemented by pre-collapse photographs of the damaged building, was used to establish failure modes and temperature excursions experienced by the steel. In addition, documents from the construction era covering issues ranging from steel specifications to engineering design drawings were used to help interpret the results and supplement models of mechanical properties used in the models of building performance.

The analysis focused on the WTC 1 and WTC 2. Although no steel was recovered from WTC 7, a 47-story building that also collapsed on September 11, properties for steel used in its construction were estimated based on literature and contemporaneous documents.

NIST NCSTAR 1-3: Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel
NIST NCSTAR 1-3A: Contemporaneous Structural Steel Specifications
NIST NCSTAR 1-3B: Steel Inventory and Identification
NIST NCSTAR 1-3C: Damage and Failure Modes of Structural Steel Components
1-3C appendixes
NIST NCSTAR 1-3D: Mechanical Properties of Structural Steels
NIST NCSTAR 1-3E: Physical Properties of Structural Steels