6700K price going up??? Now $399.99 @ Newegg

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ShintaiDK

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You could get good deals on 4770K too, if you were prepared to wait long enough until such a deal shows up.

But the problem here is that Intel's bad 14 nm yields result in low availability, thereby making it possible for the stores to make use of that and add extra markup. So the "average actual street price" goes up more than we saw with e.g. 4770K.

And even going by the list price including CPU cooler, the 6700K is significantly more expensive than the 4770K was.

No its not. And as always you cant document it. If you even want to try and crosscompare. Use the 95W cooler price. Not a 150W+ cooler.

But I guess you cant document anything as usual.

Its quite obvious its some retailers doing the gouging. But there is a solution to that. Buy somewhere else!
 

ShintaiDK

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For overclockers, yes. But not in pre-built OEM machines, which most CPUs end up in.

Anyway, now that Intel decided to not include a CPU cooler any longer, they should at least have reduced the price correspondingly. I.e. by $41.5, because that's what they priced the TS15A CPU cooler at and considerer it to be worth for the end consumer.

OEMs dont get coolers to begin with. They use tray CPUs.

Again you fail.

And keep repeating your TS15A nonsense doesn't help you any bit with you selective pricing of the highest retailer.

The 95W Stock cooler sells for 4$ on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Cooler-LGA1150-1155-E97378-001/dp/B00HVR4ZXI
 
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LTC8K6

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Skylake Xeons E3 don't work on standard consumer Motherboards. You need a C Series Chipset.

Maybe. Apparently all Intel says is the same thing they said about previous Xeon chips.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9730/intel-launches-greenlow-c236-chipset-and-skylake-e31200-v5-xeons

Addition 10/21: The quote direct from Intel is that 'we do not validate or support Xeon E3 SKUs with client chipsets'. This has always been the case in the past so nothing on the official line has changed, and at this time Intel is not making any additional comment to the adjustment in compatibility.
 

Magic Carpet

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Only K models.

Regular Skylake comes with a cooler.
Intel must have figured that the higher clocked K SKU is inadequate with their prev. gen stock cooler (4790K HSF generated a lot of bad press even running @ stock). So they kept the old cooler (I presume) for the lower-clocked part (6700) and came up with a new one which performs admirably well and quiet @ stock. Obviously, the cost of the newer cooler was a lot more than 4 bucks Shintai pointed out above, so they decided to offer it separately, due to cost reasons mostly. Not supplying the K SKU with any cooler not only made some people happy, but also made Intel revenues a little higher. A win-win. What's not to like? People are still buying it (just like that gimped GTX 970). Business as usual.
 
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Ranulf

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OEMs dont get coolers to begin with. They use tray CPUs.

Again you fail.

And keep repeating your TS15A nonsense doesn't help you any bit with you selective pricing of the highest retailer.

The 95W Stock cooler sells for 4$ on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Cooler-LGA1150-1155-E97378-001/dp/B00HVR4ZXI

Thats even funnier than Fjodor's no inflation comment.

If you look at the pictures, its a stock cooler for an i3 and under, it may say copper core but the pictures show all aluminum.
 

ShintaiDK

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Intel E97378-001 is with copper base tho :)

Newegg sells the same, with the same wrong picture for 10$.

Mfr Part Number: E97378-001
CPU Socket Type: LGA 1155/ 1156/ 1150
Compatibility: Intel Core i7/ Core i5/ Core i3/ Pentium/ Celeron/ Xeon Processors; Supports up to 95W TDP
Fan:Speed: 1200 - 2800 RPM
Noise Level: 22 dBA
Bearing Type: Hydraumatic
Directions: 4
PWM Function: Yes
Rated Voltage: 12 VDC
Rated Current: 0.2A
Connector: 4pin
Dimensions: 92.0 x 92.0 x 32.0 mm
Material: Aluminum + Copper insert
Dimensions: 87.0 x 87.0 x 19.0 mm
 
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Boze

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Skylake Xeons E3 don't work on standard consumer Motherboards. You need a C Series Chipset.

Until someone tosses an E3 v5 into a Z170 to verify, I'll keep hope alive. My HTPC is running an E3 1231 v3 on a Z97 motherboard.
 

LTC8K6

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Intel E97378-001 is with copper base tho :)

Newegg sells the same, with the same wrong picture for 10$.

Well, that copper slug cooler was totally overwhelmed by a 4790K at stock speeds, in my experience.

I can't imagine it working on a 6700K, with an even higher TDP.

The regular 65W 6700 comes with the all aluminum version of that cooler.
 

Ken g6

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Until someone tosses an E3 v5 into a Z170 to verify, I'll keep hope alive. My HTPC is running an E3 1231 v3 on a Z97 motherboard.

Agreed. On one hand, I don't see any mobos listing support for Xeons. On the other hand, I tried putting a LGA1151 Xeon in a PCPartPicker build recently, and it didn't complain. I guess we'll know eventually.
 

Hugo Drax

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Whats the deal with the regular i7 6700 65w version. out of stock at the places I buy, and they are selling at even higher prices compared to the K version.

Anyone know when the 6700s will be back in normal levels? I need to buy 3 of them no luck.

I do not remember ever seeing a shortage like this before.
 

Fjodor2001

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Fjodor2001

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14nm is proving more difficult than expected.
Looks like Intel overdid it on density. Went higher than they could manage without sacrificing yields. A property that should be factored in too when comparing different process techs.
 
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Ranulf

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Seeing much inflation these days? You live in Venezuela or something? :D

Every day. About the only thing on the average consumer front that hasn't gone up much is tech. The biggest change on the consumer side of tech off the top of my head being mid range gpus going up $50-100.

Intel E97378-001 is with copper base tho :)

Newegg sells the same, with the same wrong picture for 10$.

Even if going by part#, with shipping it is over $10.

If you have prime this is $8.19:
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-E97378-..._UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=0342H367RHG0VCXMZ2CH
 
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Fjodor2001

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Every day. About the only thing on the average consumer front that hasn't gone up much is tech. The biggest change on the consumer side of tech off the top of my head being mid range gpus going up $50-100.

Not in western countries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inflation_rate

United States 1.6 (2014) 1.6 (2014)
United Kingdom 0.0 (2015) 0.0 (2015)
Germany 0.9 (2014) 0.8 (2014)
France 0.5 (2014) 0.6 (2014)

Nearly no inflation at all.
 

kaesden

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lack of competition from AMD on the high end is what's causing prices to increase unchecked. Unless AMD can create a competitive high-end product, this is only going to get worse as the years go on.
 

ShintaiDK

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Intel prices the TS15A at $41.50, so that's what they consider it to be worth.

You never documented this. And for obvious reasons because it doesn't cost it. You can buy them much cheaper than that. Also a 95W cooler is...4$.
 

ShintaiDK

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ShintaiDK

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lack of competition from AMD on the high end is what's causing prices to increase unchecked. Unless AMD can create a competitive high-end product, this is only going to get worse as the years go on.

No.

Its some retailers that raises prices. Not Intel.

You can get a 6700K for 330$ at MC, I can buy it for 335$ at Proshop.
 

RussianSensation

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Thats even funnier than Fjodor's no inflation comment.

Inflation isn't the answer in this case. MicroCenter in the US has 4790K for $259.99 vs. i7 5820K for $319.99 vs. i7 6700K for $359.99. Inflation has nothing to do with it - it's supply vs. demand.

When i7 6700K's prices eventually fall, what are you going to say, deflation? No, it's going to be because superior products have made i7 6700K less attractive (i.e., 6800K, Kaby Lake, etc.), resulting in lower quantity demanded. Since Intel places manufacturing orders in advance, the factories will not be able to suddenly reduce the output production for i7 6700K fast enough, which will mean price drops and motherboard combo deals with MIRs. Essentially how we have some stores clearing out 5820K and 4790K at prices well below 6700K.

It may be opportunistic for Intel to raise prices of the latest tech to maximize profits from early adopters while allowing for older, less attractive inventory to be cleared out without destroying your margins on the older tech. With no competition from AMD and no BW-E until Q2 2016, in the heat of the holiday season when people spend their $ the most, this is brilliant. Pure profit maximization.

What's the consumer who needs a new PC going to do, not buy an i7 6700K? Ok so they'll buy the i5 6600K whose price is also higher OR they'll buy older 4790K or 5820K, helping Intel clear its old inventory. Win-Win for Intel. That's what happens when you have a virtual monopoly in the CPU space.

Intel or retailers can raise the price of i7 6700K to $399 and keep it there, what are we going to do? Not build a PC? Ya that might work for a while but eventually you'll spend that $.

Went up in Canada too, $539, ouch that's Intel Extreme territory.

Don't forget to add taxes my friend. Ya, and at that price it's sold out on Amazon.ca and Newegg.ca. :eek:

Remember our dollar is getting rekt too. If you look at B&H, they basically directly translate USD to CDN via market FX and ship you the product to Canada.

i7 6700K = $399.99 USD x 1.335 FX = $534 CDN.

Not all is bad though....for now.

2016 Mazda 3 = 17,845 US
2016 Mazda 3 = $15,550 CDN

Fancy a BMW or a Porsche? Currently a bargain in CDN :)

2016
M4 = 75,000 CDN vs. 65,400 US
M5 = 102,500 CDN vs. 94,100 US
X5M = 105,900 CDN vs. 98,800 US

2016
911 = 102,200 CDN vs. 89,400 US
Macan S = 59,200 CDN vs. 54,400 US

Don't worry, it's going to get more fun for us in 2016 because U.S. is going to raise interest rates which will raise the value of USD against world's currencies, and usually in early January, many Canadian stores reprice everything from USD to CDN at newer rates. Get some lube ready as next gen CPUs/GPUs will get even more expensive for those who aren't making USD or whose currencies aren't fixed to the US dollar.
 
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zir_blazer

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Until someone tosses an E3 v5 into a Z170 to verify, I'll keep hope alive. My HTPC is running an E3 1231 v3 on a Z97 motherboard.
There was already a foreing review site that mentioned that they tried a Xeon E3 V5 on a Z170 Motherboard and it didn't POSTed, and that the Motherboards manufacturer told them that Intel is restricting Xeons on non-C Chipsets. Good thing is that at least C Chipsets do work with the standard consumer lineup.


Agreed. On one hand, I don't see any mobos listing support for Xeons. On the other hand, I tried putting a LGA1151 Xeon in a PCPartPicker build recently, and it didn't complain. I guess we'll know eventually.
I think that we just need a guinea pig to confirm the previous info. I'm not expecting a Xeon E3 V5 on a consumer Motherboard to work at this point, we would have hear so by now.
 

bystander36

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Intel must have figured that the higher clocked K SKU is inadequate with their prev. gen stock cooler (4790K HSF generated a lot of bad press even running @ stock). So they kept the old cooler (I presume) for the lower-clocked part (6700) and came up with a new one which performs admirably well and quiet @ stock. Obviously, the cost of the newer cooler was a lot more than 4 bucks Shintai pointed out above, so they decided to offer it separately, due to cost reasons mostly. Not supplying the K SKU with any cooler not only made some people happy, but also made Intel revenues a little higher. A win-win. What's not to like? People are still buying it (just like that gimped GTX 970). Business as usual.

Frankly, anyone with a K series is going to OC, otherwise why buy the K model. Supplying a cheap cooler for these CPU's when a great deal just go into the trash is not very environmentally conscious.